Worst Units

[Ramazan]

There are many threads about good units. So lets discuss about worst units in the game starting from silver rarity to black :) or maybe class-wise. The aim of this thread is getting the info about avoiding these units. Dont tell me every unit has its own use :c we're just comparing it to others.

[Eab1990]

Most would agree the silver rogues are pretty bad. Unless you have AW Berna, I guess.

Samurai as a whole are awful too.

[lolix]

generally most blacks are somewhat useful , if not top tier. As eab said, silver rogues are pretty bad.


Actually talking about silvers : Elaine is not that great of a duelist either , but u can use her as a cheap deploy for goblin rushes i guess. silvers archers have their uses , healers are okaish , maybe the male healers since they heal less....but they can be used for male maps. Generally silvers roques/duelists are crappy in this rarity.


Golds : Robert (or whatever the male gold healer is). Is the worst gold healer and can be replaced even by a alissa pre AW. He can be used for farming male aff items tho.
Vincent is not that great either. He costs a bit too much and doesn't do enough IMO. monks , samurai and stuff like that is pretty bad at this rarity as well. Stray is pretty much useless preAW (actually i dunno if his aw makes him good enough to replace any of the plat archers either in any situation...)


Plat : samurais again... Maybe the crapload of other niche event units as well....like momiji or azami i guess.

[Ramazan]

Momiji is great if 10/10 skilled as a ganker i think and i was expecting someone to imply sailors aaand... my pegasus rider stella :S
You said all blacks have its uses but there is liana, im wondering if iris is better than liana in most maps which units dont require much healing and -> swarm maps.

[lolix]

momiji can be replaced with any barbarian , seeing as her skill transforms her into 1. Actually i like sailor's usage , but the one we have aren't that great. I mean , i like rika (the pupeteer) and seeing as sailors have somewhat the same skill , but can be healed is a + in my book.

Pegasus riders are quite niche , as well , yeah , but they should get buffed later

[Tenhou]

Liana is a great unit, especially if there's stuns abound. That said, her usefulness does get smaller since they made all healers reduce the stun timer.

Sailors fit a decent role and peggy riders can be useful. Albeit i guess Stella will not be all too great considering most things in existence can replace her.

[Eab1990]

The problem with Liana is that she's a gacha black when she's supposed to be an event black. As an event black, she's great. As a gacha black, she's an eyesore.

Farune is considered the worst gacha black, because she doesn't accomplish much more than what Solano already does.

[Tenhou]

Can't argue with that, she is rather expensive. That said, she's wonderful when there are no UP requirements.

[slyyr]

Silver rogues are kind of redundant given the game hands you a free platinum one fairly quickly.

Samurai are underwhelming. Great idea in theory but they lack the staying power for their cost to play. If they cost about the same as Soldiers they could be decent. Too niche and you can't deploy them fast enough.

I'm not too wild about Silver Bandits. No idea how rarer ones are as I have never had any. By contrast Silver Valkyries are cheaper and glean points from kills so I prefer them. Ideally I'd use neither but depends on what I have.

I had a Pegasus Rider with my first account and I could never get it to work. I liked the idea of it though.

As far as Black units go I rolled Sophie pretty early on. A lot of the time I use her as a pinch hitter which makes her considerably worse than a lot of black units from a starting account perspective. I have 2 Princesses (gold, platinum - picked up the gold one around time I got Sophie) who hold down the Duelist fort well on their own. But I can see the potential with Sophie for harder maps in the future as a lightning rod or ganker.

[switch]

what about samurai princess? is she worth at all? clearly skill has to be maxed to be any good

[Tenhou]

She is the best samurai currently.

Also, everyone says silver rogues are the worst, yet we are all farming them to the ends of eternity during the current event :rolleyes:

[lolix]

well....we were asking which units were the crapiest....as in actual fielding them....and well , duh silvers will generally be bad. Rogues more so then other silvers , simply because we all get a free cypria. Other then that , most silvers are somewhat good as AW/cc fodder

[Ramazan]

Silver rogues are kind of redundant given the game hands you a free platinum one fairly quickly.

Samurai are underwhelming. Great idea in theory but they lack the staying power for their cost to play. If they cost about the same as Soldiers they could be decent. Too niche and you can't deploy them fast enough.

I'm not too wild about Silver Bandits. No idea how rarer ones are as I have never had any. By contrast Silver Valkyries are cheaper and glean points from kills so I prefer them. Ideally I'd use neither but depends on what I have.

I had a Pegasus Rider with my first account and I could never get it to work. I liked the idea of it though.

As far as Black units go I rolled Sophie pretty early on. A lot of the time I use her as a pinch hitter which makes her considerably worse than a lot of black units from a starting account perspective. I have 2 Princesses (gold, platinum - picked up the gold one around time I got Sophie) who hold down the Duelist fort well on their own. But I can see the potential with Sophie for harder maps in the future as a lightning rod or ganker.

I wouldnt complain about sophie, she is like 3-4 samurais combined into one in her skill duration and she's not a lightning rod but lightning herself. Im wondering what she'll get after her aw comes. (nice art too) But she maybe the worst black where dorania not counted.
As for pegasus rider, the only thing that keeps me away from using stella is she might get one shot from most bosses while in the same level even a silver bandit could endure and there are 4 units in my barracks that could easily outperform stella about anything except that letting through skill but it isnt really needed. I really want to use her even if i had a bunch of blacks because i want to see that big ass bosses passing through her while she uses her skill. Guess i'd be more happy if i'd get other plat peg rider and would use her 9/10.

Edit: Everybody saying things about silver rogues but in low level maps Etheternal made good use of them. Dont expect them to fight bosses :P Btw i didnt levelled cypria is she useful at all? Guess she is the worst plat :rolleyes:

[Tenhou]

With skill awakening Cypria supposedly is a beast.

And lolix, it was a joke :P

[switch]

[QUOTE=ramazan;24823]
Guess i'd be more happy if i'd get other plat peg rider and would use her 9/10.

and im sitting here with 2 liddys :P not even using them

[Tenhou]

Liddy will be... rather amazing once skill awakening hits. Tornados of doom everywhere.

[Ramazan]

With skill awakening Cypria supposedly is a beast.

I wouldnt rely on that %90 dodge chance cuz i saw a video where a skill awakened cypria got hit almost %30-40 in her skill duration (maybe very unlucky dunno) but hopefully the zombie she supposed to kill didnt one-shot her, but yeah not everybody got olivie right? :) well then i might consider levelling her she was looking very cool while using her aw skill :)

[Eab1990]

well....we were asking which units were the crapiest....as in actual fielding them....and well , duh silvers will generally be bad. Rogues more so then other silvers , simply because we all get a free cypria. Other then that , most silvers are somewhat good as AW/cc fodder

Alissa and Khuri are still excellent to field now and then. Soma/Daniela too, since we don't have Claire/Bella. And Mischa, if we fucking had her, anyway.

[lolix]

if you read what i said earlier , you would noticed that i said the same about archers and healers

[Eab1990]

Well, you stated the obvious in incomplete statements, so of course I had to clarify.

[CornOnSakob]

I don't know how no one has said this yet:

That damn goddess loves to be all like...

Goddess: "Thank you for feeding me crystals... to your harem I shall add..."
*sparkly shit everywhere*
Goddess: "Conrad!"
You: "OH FUCK JESUS NO!"

(I know he's not a bad bandit, but god damn is it disappointing to draw him in a summon).

[ZeroZet]

I dunno bout Silver Rogues being worst. 4UP throwaway gankers are pretty neat to have, for something that would reap bronze soldier with his two-blocker attitude)

[Koto]

Dragon shaman's are pretty bad, even on dmm. They are ~10 cost too much as healers, and switching between damage and healing isn't special anymore.

[soranokira]

Dragon shaman's are pretty bad, even on dmm. They are ~10 cost too much as healers, and switching between damage and healing isn't special anymore.

except echidna who has found a purpose thanks to nadia.

[kayfabe]

I'm not too wild about Silver Bandits. No idea how rarer ones are as I have never had any. By contrast Silver Valkyries are cheaper and glean points from kills so I prefer them. Ideally I'd use neither but depends on what I have.

I've used bandits a fair bit and I'd argue that without the DMM balance changes Silver Bandits are at least competitive with Elaine and often quite a bit better. Elaine's jack-of-all-trade stats and Increase Defense denies her the DPS necessary to really make much use out of UP per kill. She has more defense but thanks to the boatload of HP the bandits actually have about the same effective health and thus can still tank many things while providing a lot more damage. The trickiest thing about using bandits a lot is managing maps where you need to create more than 1 or 2 bottlenecks and thus could use blockers that don't mind it very much when healers skip a beat in order to heal someone else.

[Larcx]

Worst unit huh......
IDK if this worst or not
But personally I don't find it to be usefull for My currently Team on DMM

Thief....
Increase items drop rate but at the price of Enemy + 20% ATK and HP (IIRC)
And it seems will increase droprate at AW and also increase Enemies stat too
Their stat is also low...

But I do saw people using them just to test their strenght to kill Mithril Golem and any hard boss
Gee.....

[Tenhou]

She's definitely not the worst. She exists for a good reason. To give some people a challenge and to up drop rates.

[Larcx]

She's definitely not the worst. She exists for a good reason. To give some people a challenge and to up drop rates.

Well I guess , that is why I said IDK
But she definitely are not usefull for My current Team
Maybe in future~

[Karsuman]

Hrm, I dunno about worst. Worst is very relative. But I'll give a list of what is getting popular in modern DMM by class.

In Meta/Rising:

Soldier
Heavy Armor
Healer
Pirate
Necromancer
Onmyouji
Dragon Rider
Bishop
Rearguard Tactician
Vanguard Tactician
Warrior Priest
Majin
Angel

Out of Meta/Falling:
Monk
Rogue
Witch
Mage
Summoner
Bow Rider
Pegasus Knight
Ninja
Samurai

Just a generalization based on what I use and see other people use, and what is rising in popularity. I am counting the class as a whole unless there is only one unit in the class(obviously), so I'll say monk is out of meta even if Alice is an absolute powerhouse of a unit because she's so pumped up compared to other monks.

If I didn't list a class it's probably somewhere in the middle. Other reasons would be it's hyper specialist, or doesn't have an AW yet.

Also, just an opinion, don't crucify me.

[Larcx]

@Karsuman

Questions: Why Bow Rider falling?
IIRC Black Bow Rider is insane with her Quadruple shot?
Well I guess.... getting her is hard~

Healer on rising? I thought You people start to use Fengshui/Geomancer nowadays?

Onmyouji? Hmm cool~ But it seems only Mikoto ATM as Onmyouji?
Isn't this quite hard?

[Ramazan]

Hmm first time hearing there IS a thief class. Im starting to figure out that all classes that dmm makes is generally hybrits of what we have currently.

[Larcx]

Hmm first time hearing there IS a thief class. Im starting to figure out that all classes that dmm makes is generally hybrits of what we have currently.

Don't think it is hybrid
Thief is on Range slot

http://imgur.com/a/yzU44

Their cost is quite low at 6 UP , perhaps 3 UP at mincosted
Now I wonder what will happen with AW Shuka / Uzume
Will it be 0 UP

I don't even bother to Lv her up ATM

[CharlesRJC]

Thief is not a hybrid and it's an awesome way to increase your profit if you outclass the map

[soranokira]

@larcx: bowrider is falling because Rion's the only one that gets used, just like how alice is the only monk that gets used. the black alone does not represent the entire class.

[Larcx]

Well Thief might be usefull , but that "if" is definitely not for My current Team

I see , so only the Black is still broken
While the other is just...

[Unregistered]

http://imgur.com/a/yzU44


What is the rarity of the Blue edge unit?

[Kamahari Akuma]

What is the rarity of the Blue edge unit?

Sapphire. They're units that you only get via special codes.

[Unregistered]

Well Thief might be usefull , but that "if" is definitely not for My current Team

I see , so only the Black is still broken
While the other is just...

Thiefs are awesome, you use them only for the increase in drop rate, they increase the drop rate even for collection event currency so you need less SC for a perfect unit. I use a thief in the DC daily, combine it with Monica and you reach almost 100% in DC G daily in a 1.5x drop week on DMM.

[Larcx]

Thiefs are awesome, you use them only for the increase in drop rate, they increase the drop rate even for collection event currency so you need less SC for a perfect unit. I use a thief in the DC daily, combine it with Monica and you reach almost 100% in DC G daily in a 1.5x drop week on DMM.

I did not use Monica (not have her) and Leda (IIRC) the Thief
And in 100++ or so run I have Perfect 21 Magic Crystal drop
Only under 5 time I have 18 MC drop when that 1,5X Event

Why should I need more difficulty just for that 100% drop >.>

[switch]

Cause some people can easily do the map even when thief buffed.. So why not get 100% drop rate if you can do the map easy

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By not having the thief out you lost around 250 crystals which over time. Say 1000 runs is 2500 more crystals it all adds up

[Larcx]

Cause some people can easily do the map even when thief buffed.. So why not get 100% drop rate if you can do the map easy

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By not having the thief out you lost around 250 crystals which over time. Say 1000 runs is 2500 more crystals it all adds up

Huh??

If it 5 run then I only lost 15 MC
250??

You should read again
I already said My team cannot handle any more 20% difficulty at that time

Sure be nice to have a team can handle those Eye Crystal using the Thief , congratulation for You~

And without Thief , the drop is already at 97%

[switch]

Isnt the max crystals 24? So you missed 6 a run so 30? And you said 21 runs of perfect drops so 74 runs of 21 crystals so 74x3. 222 plus 30 252?

[Larcx]

Isnt the max crystals 24? So you missed 6 a run so 30? And you said 21 runs of perfect drops so 74 runs of 21 crystals so 74x3. 222 plus 30 252?

WoW must be Noice to have 24 MC drop per run
I LIKE it!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/MWkAwFd.jpg

Guess I was fooled by the guide T___T

Why need Thief for 97% drop?
Need Monica? I can agree with Monica though~

[Unregistered]

I did not use Monica (not have her) and Leda (IIRC) the Thief
And in 100++ or so run I have Perfect 21 Magic Crystal drop
Only under 5 time I have 18 MC drop when that 1,5X Event

Why should I need more difficulty just for that 100% drop >.>

So because you can't use a thief the class is crap <.<
I'm a f2p so i use every advantage i can get and a thief is not a WORST UNIT she can save you 1-5 SC (depends still on RNG mercy) in every collection event.
For example in the last collection event (Metus) the X map with a AW thief had better drop rate than the G map without a thief in the 1st phase of event and in the 2nd phase was the G map with a AW thief the best map to farm.

[switch]

Ohh aha my bad :P

[Larcx]

So because you can't use a thief the class is crap <.<
I'm a f2p so i use every advantage i can get and a thief is not a WORST UNIT she can save you 1-5 SC (depends still on RNG mercy) in every collection event.
For example in the last collection event (Metus) the X map with a AW thief had better drop rate than the G map without a thief in the 1st phase of event and in the 2nd phase was the G map with a AW thief the best map to farm.

Huh??
When did I say Thief is crap? When I did say they are worst?
When??

Learn to read again please?

I only say she is useless , since My team is still weak T__T
She will be usefull when I am more stronger
Like those DMM vet Team >.>

And btw , if You have time
Should You register and not use unregister mode?
Sounds like a sisy IMO~

[switch]

Thief's is good when it's a easy map with a low to medium drop rate item. The higher the drop rate the less effective it is. Eg any drop rate boost on rainbow fairy's is massive bonus. Where as yeah on 97% drop rate it's not really effective at all. Apart from going 100% just cause.

[Larcx]

Thief's is good when it's a easy map with a low to medium drop rate item. The higher the drop rate the less effective it is. Eg any drop rate boost on rainbow fairy's is massive bonus. Where as yeah on 97% drop rate it's not really effective at all. Apart from going 100% just cause.

Exactly m8
97% + Monica is already 100% (Event 1,5X)

I don't see a need to use Thief on Event 1,5X Crystal Dailies

Sure if not an Event~

But on 1,5X , man You are a true M.. , I mean SPARTA!!!!!
Congratulation XD

PS: Again if some idiot think I said Thief is bad
They should read what Tenhou quote , I already said that "Currently"
When I saw Leda/Thief (I hope I am not wrong on her name) at PS. She is 2'nd how I felt getting C*****
Mostly becoz My Team is WEAK
Happy now?

[ChibiKika]

Huh??
When did I say Thief is crap? When I did say they are worst?
When??

Learn to read again please?

I only say she is useless , since My team is still weak T__T
She will be usefull when I am more stronger
Like those DMM vet Team >.>

And btw , if You have time
Should You register and not use unregister mode?
Sounds like a sisy IMO~

Whoa, getting a bit heated there. It's just a light misunderstanding, no need to get all pissy, over an unreg too. This line's been fed to me a good dozen times so I'll use it now: English is NOT the first language for some (many?) of us here, and even among those who it is, discrepancies in vocabulary and statement often lead to small issues like this.

Unreg is just under the impression that you're denouncing these "thieves" and calling them useless in general versus useless to you in your current situation because when people were trying to say they were useful in some way, you pretty much went "meh..." 3 times and didn't respond to the "useful during other collection events, not just MC (DC? I don't play the DMM version) daily. Anyone who has a notable degree of pride and investment in such a character could easily take offense to anyone being that dismissive.

There's also the note that refusing to invest in a class early on and putting it off for later usually results in that class being totally abandoned. Doesn't happen all the time but it does give that impression, I'm just saying.

Personally I don't care. I only have Nutaku Aigis so this class is something I'll get to when it comes but for now, I'll treat it as nonexistent since it literally is for me.

As for me, worst units...

Speaking in terms of Nutaku Aigis, of the classes I'm familiar with I'd say I have the most trouble understanding the value of ninjas (more specifically the iron/copper ninjas). I see them being used in event demonstrations from time to time but frequently their damage rating is so embarrassingly low that short of the standard goblin, just about everything can kill it. I tend to go pretty far off the books in UP spending so for them, if there isn't a specific reason the ninja is being used (sniping a mob on another road), I tend to throw in my Valkyrie instead, and have a princess replace where I'd use the Valkyrie if need be.

I get the value of ninjas in general...when it comes to platinum(gold) and up, but the times I see the youtube vids use copper ones still irks me. It's not like they help with the damage OR can effectively stall any mobs so why deploy them if they don't have a practical use like min-costed bronze soldiers?

(Picking a fight with an unreg is both unproductive and immature. Easier to just ignore them since if they really want to drive the point, they'll get accounts themselves. Staying unregistered (even when they have accounts) more or less leads to the idea that they aren't taking it seriously)

[switch]

Considering we don't get 1.5x drop events on nutaku.. Cause they hate us.. Any extra drop rates will be good :) plus can already do all the H maps without even trying will make it little harder again aha

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Anything to get me more rainbows or plat armors is welcome in my book aha

[Larcx]

@Chibikika

I am not an English native either

So You say I ignore to invest on her?
I don't really remember that question
But assuming yes , My current situation not allowing it
Why I need more difficulties when My core cannot handle it??

Why I want those hard Item Collection map even harder??
Why I want the Mithril golem goes on Moar Rampage when I clear it even using buff?
Funny......

Maybe in future Thief-chan~

Anyway , I started playing DMM back on Liana Revival on January
So don't expect I have all key units like those SPARTAN players~

@Switch

I don't mind for a Thief on Nutaku
On current mission map , My Team is not the best
But surely better than DMM side
Maybe I would Love to have that Thief on Nutaku~

[switch]

Would of been nice to have it during the event.. Ran bull demon like 20 times and didn't get a single rogue.. Gave up and did other maps

[JMich]

Speaking in terms of Nutaku Aigis, of the classes I'm familiar with I'd say I have the most trouble understanding the value of ninjas (more specifically the iron/copper ninjas). I see them being used in event demonstrations from time to time but frequently their damage rating is so embarrassingly low that short of the standard goblin, just about everything can kill it. I tend to go pretty far off the books in UP spending so for them, if there isn't a specific reason the ninja is being used (sniping a mob on another road), I tend to throw in my Valkyrie instead, and have a princess replace where I'd use the Valkyrie if need be.

The times I've seen them used they are mostly treated as another archer in a melee slot, not as a melee unit. They are also used in the low rarity runs, so if you are already using Bashira/Spica/Nanaly instead of Soma/Daniella, the ninja will probably not be needed. But depending on map and/or strategy, a ninja may save you a little time, and a copper ninja is something most of us should already have (and not use).

P.S. It is possible that there are videos that put ninjas as a melee unit, though I don't recall seeing any of those recently.

[soranokira]

take note that dmm ninjas cost cheaper than our version due to balancing patches.

[kayfabe]

The times I've seen them used they are mostly treated as another archer in a melee slot, not as a melee unit.

Yeah, they're especially valuable on event maps that forbid you from deploying to ranged slots since if placed on the far side of a hairpin corner they can thin unarmored rushers out a bit without taking damage.

[Ramazan]

Is saki worth getting for that job?

[JMich]

Is saki worth getting for that job?

Depends on the map's UP requirements. Mincosted Hayate is 11 points, Saki is about double that. Saki does have the chance to assassinate someone a few seconds after being placed, but she also costs 300 DCs. If you have the spare DCs, I'd say go for her, otherwise Azami (if you have her from the event) or Hayate should be enough.

[switch]

just tried dwarfs n giants i can deffs see ninjas being good here with 2 could maybe 3 star it