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switch
05-16-2016, 07:17 AM
found this for anyone wonder how much base you need to 1 Shot the G eye balls, X eye balls will be less ofcourse as a guide.

Unregistered
05-26-2016, 05:50 AM
Just thought I'd note that while this may be correct eventually, at present my Nanaly has 542 attack base and when used with Spica and Uzume buffs just barely is unable to kill the eyes. She does however seem to deal more damage than my Zola with 610 base attack, suggesting that while Awakened archers do likely have a buff to attack vs. flying enemies, it is not as large as they would get on DMM Aigis yet.

My Spica however with 505 attack is more than able to 1 shot the eyes when her skill is active (at max skill level).

switch
05-26-2016, 07:32 AM
this is based on nutaku stats not dnm as far as i know and yes archers have a 10% damage buff once awakened

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says on there AW archers.

NotThatGuy
05-26-2016, 05:24 PM
this is based on nutaku stats not dnm as far as i know and yes archers have a 10% damage buff once awakened

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says on there AW archers.

Same person as before, just logged in now. I'll first note that I had forgotten the table was for when using the Savior Title. That said, I was using the Big Hero title, so would have 2% more attack than it expects.

Anyway, decided to do a little math to check the table and determined that it is expecting archers to have a 30% increase in damage compared to other units. The easiest way to check this is that 757 (normal unit with no buffs other than Prince with Savior) divided by 583 (archer with no buffs other than Prince with Savior) gives ~1.29846 (the prince buffs cancel each other out), which can be rounded to 1.3 or 757 being about 30% larger than 583 (I also confirmed that 582 * 1.3 is less than 757). Thus, the table expects archers to have +30% damage vs flying when as you noted Awakened archers likely only have +10% vs flying at present. That said, we can use this table to figure out how much damage is needed.

For completeness, I'll first find the health and defense of the eyes. 757 * 1.19 = 900.83. As aigis drops any decimals, that means 900 is the damage being dealt. As 756 * 1.19 = 899.64 or 899 damage and is not enough to kill in one hit, we can conclude that 900 damage is needed. Figuring out the split of health and defense can be done by then looking at vampire hunters. 337 * 1.19 = 401.04. Multiply that by 3 hits and your dealing 1203 damage, but have to deal with defense 3 times rather than once. 336 * 1.19 = 399.84, resulting in 1197 damage, which is not enough, so most likely, the required damage for 3 hits would be 1200, due to even numbers generally being preferred for stats. With that we can determine that 1200 - 3 * def = 900 - def which can be solved for 150 = def, meaning that the eyes have 750 health and 150 defense. That said, for archers we just need to know the total damage must be at least 900.

First, we need to find out how much damage we need to deal without the buff. 900 / 1.1 = 818.1818... so with the prince out, damage needs to be at least 819 for an archer with a 10% increase to damage against flying enemies to 1 shot the eyes. The damage without the prince must then be 819 / 1.19 ~ 688.235 so we need the archer to have 689 attack before the prince is factored in (assuming Savior title). If only Aria is awakened and in the sortie, this is reduced to 676 attack before buffs. If only Uzume is awakened and in the sortie, this is reduced to 657 attack before buffs. If Spica only is awakened and in the sortie, this is reduced to 644 attack before buffs. If both Aria and Uzume are awakened and in the sortie, we need 644 attack before buffs. If both Aria and Spica are awakened and in the sortie, we need 632 attack before buffs. If both Spica and Uzume are awakened and in the sortie, we need 614 attack before buffs. If Aria, Spica, and Uzume are awakened and in sortie, we need 602 attack before buffs. Unfortunately that is more damage than a max level max affection Nanaly deals. If you instead use the Big Hero title, you only need 591 damage for an archer to 1 shot the eyes, which is just barely possible with Nanaly (as she caps out at 592 damage) Do note however that this is assuming the boost archers get against flying units is 10% when it is possible that it is actually higher (in which case te target numbers will be lower).

Also, since I'm already doing these numbers, I might as well see how much damage is needed for Rear Guards with their double attack. Each hit needs to deal at least 525 damage after all buffs so 442 damage is needed before prince buff (with Savior title). Aria reduces it to 434, while Uzume reduces it to 421. Together they reduce it to 413 base attack. While Len cannot manage this, Aisha can after awakening, so those lucky people who have her can also make use of her to OHK the eyes.

At any rate, let's make some new tables

Notes:
These tables assume that the prince buff and the archers vs. air buff apply to the rounded down damage value you would have without them rather than the unmodified value from before dropping the decimals. If that is not the case (as seems to be indicated by the vampire hunter values) then you may be able to OHK the eyes with a point or two less damage. As is I chose to risk erring on the side of caution. On the other hand, I did apply all sortie buffs together, and some values from the table you posted suggested they do not work that way (contrary to others that do). As such it is possible that a few further points may be added. The main way to check though, would be that before the prince is placed, all the other buffs should raise the attack to at least the value that is needed if you have no buffs except for the prince.

The multiple archer tables are due to uncertainty as to what buff awakened archers get when attacking air units. As such I did three probable boosts. If someone figures out which is correct, the information would be appreciated.

Awakened Archers (assuming 10% increase in damage vs. flying)

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None689677
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria676664
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume657645
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica644633
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume644633
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Spica632621
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica &
Uzume614603
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria,
Spica, &
Uzume
602
591


Awakened Archers (assuming 15% increase in damage vs. flying)

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None658648
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria646636
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume627618
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica615606
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume615606
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Spica603594
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica &
Uzume586577
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria,
Spica, &
Uzume
575
566


Awakened Archers (assuming 20% increase in damage vs. flying. Evidence suggests this is the correct one.)

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None631620
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria619608
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume601591
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica590580
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume590579
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Spica579569
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica &
Uzume562552
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria,
Spica, &
Uzume
551
542


Awakened Archers (assuming 25% increase in damage vs. flying)

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None606596
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria595585
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume578568
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica567558
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume566557
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Spica556547
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica &
Uzume540531
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria,
Spica, &
Uzume
529
521


Awakened Archers (assuming 30% increase in damage vs. flying)

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None583573
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria572562
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume556546
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica545536
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume545536
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Spica535526
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Spica &
Uzume519511
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria,
Spica, &
Uzume
509
501


Rear Guards

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None442434
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria434426
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume421414
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume413406


CC/Awakened Vampire Hunters

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None337331
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria331325
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume321316
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume315310


Other Physical Damage

style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Other
BuffsSaviorBig Hero
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | None757744
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria743730
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Uzume721709
style="border: 1px solid #000000" | Aria &
Uzume707695

switch
05-27-2016, 03:12 AM
yeah my minerva at 903 base kills eyes 1 hit

ZeroZet
05-27-2016, 03:24 AM
AW 90 Spica + Big Hero can't one-shot the gazers on G


So 10% it is.

NotThatGuy
05-27-2016, 04:47 AM
So 10% it is.

That may not be the case, as the quote seems to only speak of a level 90 Spica and prince with the Big Hero buff without factoring in the other two possible buffs. A maxed out Spica has 557 attack before buffs. If you look only at the required numbers for big hero and Spica, that is only enough to one shot with a 30% buff. At a 25% buff vs flying you are one damage short, while the lower buffs vs flying need even more.

That said with my Nanaly having 542 attack, and making use Spica and Uzume awakening buffs, I can confirm that the buff is at least less than 25%.

NotThatGuy
06-09-2016, 10:39 AM
So, just figured I would confirm that a Rear Guard with 414 base attack benefiting from Uzume's awakened ability and the Big Hero Prince buff will one-shot the eyes (counting the double attack as a single shot).

soranokira
06-09-2016, 10:56 AM
so, someone on ulmf did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUMLv4LqFc&feature=youtu.be

http://s33.postimg.org/5a90t39fz/sssss.jpg

Crystal Keeper G:

AW80 Spica + Big Hero + AW Aria + AW Uzume = 1 shot

Big Hero + AW Uzume: need Spica with 554 atk (an AW90 Spica has 557 atk so that a near maxed AW Spica)

AW62 Nanaly + Big Hero + AW Aria + AW Uzume = 1 shot

NotThatGuy
06-09-2016, 01:15 PM
Well, that suggests that awakened archers presently gain +20% damage against flying units. Good to know.

soranokira
06-10-2016, 04:40 AM
here's a new video by arado (the same guy who did crystal G above):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bxOh4xQ08k

zola + percis for last wave.