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Lafate
05-16-2016, 02:41 PM
Hello boys and girls, and welcome to Subjugation! or as it is being called for us Total Domination! Now my question to you is... can you handle it? Are you strong enough? Do you have the stamina? Do you have the army? Do you have the tactical skill? erm... well I guess that last one won't matter if you use these guides anyway heh... we are getting this a little late, but the point is we are getting it right? One step closer to the Aigis we all want... now if we could get our da.. *cough* right lets get on with this

ETA: 17/5/16

Rewards

With this Total Domination Mission your reward depends on the number of enemies you can kill in a single run, and how many you kill overall. The maximum of which is 10,000 overall kills and 500 in a single run kills.

Total Units Killed:
Piece of Crystal (60 Total Piece of Crystals to earn)
100,200,300,400,500,
600,700,800,900,1000,
1100,1200,1300,1400,1500,
1600,1700,1800,1900,2000,
2200,2400,2600,2800,3000,
3200,3400,3600,3800,4000,
4200,4400,4600,4800,5000,
5200,5400,5600,5800,6000,
6200,6400,6600,6800,7000,
7200,7400,7600,7800,8000,
8200,8400,8600,8800,9000,
9200,9400,9600,9800,10000

Spirits
Spirit of Gold: 1,000, 4,000, 7,000
Spirit of Platinum: 2,000, 5,000, 8,000
Spirit of Black: 3,000, 6,000, 9,000
Spirit of Rainbow: 10,000

Units Killed in a Single Clear
100 Kills or more: Gold Armor
300 Kills or more: Vampire Hunter Khuri
400 Kills or more: Platinum Armor
500 Kills or more: Demon Crystal x50


Noted enemy stats

If you really want to look into stats of enemy units look here(There is a lot and I don't feel like writing them down).

http://aigis.gcwiki.info/?%CD%C5%CB%E2%A4%CE%C2%E7%B9%D4%B7%B3


Maps

Spectral March (Easy)

Charisma: 15
Initial Unit Points: 50
Life: 30
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 100
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAzYTrPHJZc


Spectral March (Intermediate)

Charisma: 30
Initial Unit Points: 40
Life: 30
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 300
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkkOCIrTY8M


Spectral March (Hard)

Charisma: 35
Initial Unit Points: 35
Life: 30
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 400
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3M3UkAjqv0


Spectral March (X)

Charisma: 40
Initial Unit Points: 30
Life: 30
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 500
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvrITcCoXsA



Comments about the event

Huge note here. There is no natural UP regen. This means no unit point every second. Have fun and good luck.

Talith
05-16-2016, 03:14 PM
Oh? There is no stamina cost?

Lafate
05-16-2016, 03:29 PM
Oh? There is no stamina cost?

correct, none at all.

Tenhou
05-16-2016, 03:39 PM
Costs only charisma, gives 0 exp, 0 units and the moment you lose your 50 lives the battle is over and the kills you did are added to your total kills.

This type of event typically lasts a month and runs alongside other events. It is also a great way if you are lower levels to use charisma if you are close to leveling and do not want to waste it. Like if you went to bed and came back with 50 charisma left to level while having 200 charisma to spend.

JMich
05-16-2016, 05:22 PM
I'm so tempted to use my Betty instead of Mischa, especially for the first two levels, but will have to check the early UP cost. I think that Katie and Julian should be able to keep up with the guide though.

P.S. What's the unit that's used at the left most slot in the Hard map?

Tenhou
05-16-2016, 05:37 PM
Shion, a shaman. A witch with a skill to turn into a healer basically.

Kamahari Akuma
05-16-2016, 07:37 PM
Shame it doesn't seem to use the usual Subjugation music that I've seen from all these vids I've seen tossed around here. Then again this one was likely one of the earlier ones that didn't get the special tune for yet...

Oh well, there are other ways to enjoy the 500 enemy unit killing spree with music... *turns on Death by Glamour* OH YES!

Talith
05-16-2016, 07:45 PM
Shame it doesn't seem to use the usual Subjugation music that I've seen from all these vids I've seen tossed around here. Then again this one was likely one of the earlier ones that didn't get the special tune for yet...

Oh well, there are other ways to enjoy the 500 enemy unit killing spree with music... *turns on Death by Glamour* OH YES!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhe8begOQk

tewt
05-16-2016, 08:15 PM
sorry for asking this if it seems like a noob question if i kill 500 in the X mission do i get all the prizes for single run aka (gold armor / khuri / P armor / 50 demon crystals ) verytime i clear the 500 enemy run or what?

Kamahari Akuma
05-16-2016, 08:16 PM
sorry for asking this if it seems like a noob question if i kill 500 in the X mission do i get all the prizes for single run aka (gold armor / khuri / P armor / 50 demon crystals ) verytime i clear the 500 enemy run or what?

This. That part confuses me as well.

Unregistered
05-16-2016, 08:53 PM
My question is: do these maps give SC when 3✮ed?

switch
05-16-2016, 09:05 PM
No it would be a single run for the 500 reward. 40 charisma for 50 crystals every run I don't think so lol

Buster Wolf
05-16-2016, 09:08 PM
There are no stars for this event so no SCs to gain, this is mainly to use extra Charisma.

Thinking of going for 10,000 kills total since I could use extra Platinum and Black Spirits (Rainbow as well since I barely run Spirit Rescue daily)

switch
05-16-2016, 09:09 PM
Would only cost like 2 days if you can max x map

Lafate
05-16-2016, 09:13 PM
You can only earn a reward one time like any other event.

switch
05-16-2016, 09:18 PM
Hmm do I need to lvl a valk or just use thetis ahaha

soranokira
05-16-2016, 09:33 PM
I'm so tempted to use my Betty instead of Mischa, especially for the first two levels, but will have to check the early UP cost. I think that Katie and Julian should be able to keep up with the guide though.

P.S. What's the unit that's used at the left most slot in the Hard map?

you dont get gold from subjugations, even with gold get kills.
fyi, you guys dont need to do the lowest tier map, it's just for newbies who want to farm kills but can't do the higher charisma maps efficiently. you can jump straight to X with your max CC teams.

note that subjugations run COMPLETELY different from the standard maps you are used to. no 3*, no exp, no gold, drops. only one-time rewards for max kill number achieved, as well as total cumulative kill rewards.

JMich
05-17-2016, 01:25 AM
you dont get gold from subjugations, even with gold get kills.
Damn it, there goes my "Get rich quick" plan ;)


fyi, you guys dont need to do the lowest tier map, it's just for newbies who want to farm kills but can't do the higher charisma maps efficiently. you can jump straight to X with your max CC teams.
So all 4 maps are open from the start? Because in the first 2 videos, only the first 2 maps are available to choose. Or is that because DMM adds the second half of the maps later on, unlike Nutaki (so far at least)?

switch
05-17-2016, 03:02 AM
I would think all maps are open but the event probably will only go for a week I would say

blacksaber
05-17-2016, 03:21 AM
I would think all maps are open but the event probably will only go for a week I would say

They go on for 4 weeks. As Tenhou mentioned earlier, these usually run during an event. You will have time to get what you want.


Damn it, there goes my "Get rich quick" plan ;)

I know right. Lyla was drooling looking all those tasty morsels :)

Tenhou
05-17-2016, 04:37 AM
To add to the whole thing - you don't 3* the maps because there are no stars to get. If your units die, that will not affect your score more than you possibly failing to kill a few enemies. You place stuff out and try to do your best to kill as many units as possible even sacrificing units if needed to get those last few kills to get a slightly higher score.

Grimmiq
05-17-2016, 05:31 AM
Well that was an easy 50DC, managed to get my Nanaly Awakened then used a few of the armours from the Bandit event to get her to 43. Have 21 left, just need some Spirits now.

lacus
05-17-2016, 06:42 AM
Forgot to add a valk for my first run xD ran it half blind, and still almost killed everything (498/500).

Also did a whole bunch of premium summons but no Thetis or anything else all that useful for that matter *sadface* I did get another few Monicas though, so I guess I can try to min cost her or something :3

P.S. The early maps look a lot nicer in terms of time efficiency...

Skulkraken
05-17-2016, 07:21 AM
Oof.

Did a blind run of the hardest level. Got wrecked by the black goblin archers/wolf riders at the 387 kill mark because I wasn't careful enough with my unit placement.

I feel so embarrassed. >.<

namhoang909
05-17-2016, 07:27 AM
complete expert level, still according to guide valk should be able to kill more creeps so neither nutaku buffed these or my kerry attack is slower than valk used in the guide

CharlesRJC
05-17-2016, 07:40 AM
complete expert level, still according to guide valk should be able to kill more creeps so neither nutaku buffed these or my kerry attack is slower than valk used in the guide

If used valk is Misha (which is more than likely) then she has higher attack before awakening

namhoang909
05-17-2016, 07:44 AM
If used valk is Misha (which is more than likely) then she has higher attack before awakening

oh i thought gold valk should have higher attack

soranokira
05-17-2016, 07:55 AM
oh i thought gold valk should have higher attack

misha is special, she's a silver valk with plat rarity attack. which is why we're complaining about her not being in nutaku version

switch
05-17-2016, 07:57 AM
They just don't want us to have the good silvers aha

CharlesRJC
05-17-2016, 08:06 AM
Ran the map 4 times so far and already have enough of it. 16 more will be hell.

namhoang909
05-17-2016, 08:15 AM
she is just too kute for nutaku, but for that high damage other stat must be lower than other valk, that's why i chose cc the usual one we have in nutaku

soranokira
05-17-2016, 08:29 AM
she is just too kute for nutaku, but for that high damage other stat must be lower than other valk, that's why i chose cc the usual one we have in nutaku

lol that's your choice, for 9/10 would misha > elaine. elaine only has def, but for a silver stats are shit anyway, might as well go for plat rarity atk.

Kamahari Akuma
05-17-2016, 08:38 AM
*Goes over to Awakening tab to see the new stuff*

...Huh, what is-

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2016/05/17/XuPCrUaft.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTA2fxOedxo

soranokira
05-17-2016, 08:41 AM
*Goes over to Awakening tab to see the new stuff*

...Huh, what is-

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2016/05/17/XuPCrUaft.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTA2fxOedxo

dark knight orb just for special class AW usage.

Talith
05-17-2016, 08:43 AM
Well it was kind of ugly due to poor unit placement but ended up getting 500 on my first try due to brute forcing awakened units down their throats.

lacus
05-17-2016, 10:43 AM
What do you guy think about spamming the first or second map (instead of the last) at the cost of some wasted charisma to avoid grinding the same map for hours?...

Edit: nvm, I guess it doesn't save that much time, just maybe a tad more afking.

Talith
05-17-2016, 10:50 AM
Thanks to awoken units I can AFK the majority of the final level. Or at least keep it doing it's thing on a side monitor while I work on other stuff.

soranokira
05-17-2016, 12:39 PM
What do you guy think about spamming the first or second map (instead of the last) at the cost of some wasted charisma to avoid grinding the same map for hours?...

Edit: nvm, I guess it doesn't save that much time, just maybe a tad more afking.

if you're strong enough, with just a claudia as tank, you can afk completely yet get 492 kills. (only the last 3 liches need skill usage)

lacus
05-17-2016, 04:01 PM
if you're strong enough, with just a claudia as tank, you can afk completely yet get 492 kills. (only the last 3 liches need skill usage)

Sounds like a good plan :o Considering I already missed two kills with my first run, missing a few more kills won't make a difference anyway. (Was not looking forward to the 5hr grind...even if it may not be in a single session.)

Astearic
05-17-2016, 06:32 PM
Managed to full afk 500 finally. It is easy enough with skills but least this way I don't have to worry about coming back at the end to deal with the liches.


http://i.imgur.com/jhz4o1o.png
Not sure if could replicate easily without Lilia, since she barely lived before the first lich died (Though someone with more hp/mr could maybe). Though she is only lvl 59 awakened so higher would allow more buffer. I also used Dahlia in front of prince that I withdraw later on.

nip101
05-17-2016, 07:02 PM
Also managed to get an afk strat if anyone wants to use it. You can pretty much replace any unit that i have with a similar one if you don't have mine. I started out the same as the guide video (except i deploy 2 soldiers to get UP faster. At like 100 kills or so you can withdraw everything and finish placing units. Ive done the run with Cloris in Nanaly's spot but my guess is any archer (might need to be awakened) can fit the spot as well. Only thing I'm not sure of is if you can use 2 silver mages instead of 1 gold/1 silver. For placing the units just make sure Claudia is second to last and then Horace is last.

http://i.imgur.com/ITYdOHj.jpg
1288

Kamahari Akuma
05-17-2016, 08:07 PM
Quick question: How many of the Valk and Magic Swordsman orbs would I need for Olivie?

YoxalLoyal
05-17-2016, 08:23 PM
Quick question: How many of the Valk and Magic Swordsman orbs would I need for Olivie?

3 each since she's a black unit.

switch
05-17-2016, 08:24 PM
Needs like a 5x speed button aha some of these units just move so slow

Unregistered
05-17-2016, 10:22 PM
after beat 500/500 once i just afk strat now

it success to 492/500 but i dont need to watch it so is fine

i will just do easy mode 1time after near 10000 to reclaim the 150 missing because i afk and lich kill my army

too many other things to do with my time than change army at 470/500

King Dong
05-18-2016, 05:39 AM
So, I'm not crazy in thinking I can afford to put this off for a week, or two, to get my team better prepared right? I'm F2P and I only managed to 3* one of the X maps from the last event, but I would really like to try for the 50 DC's. Advice welcome.

soranokira
05-18-2016, 05:43 AM
So, I'm not crazy in thinking I can afford to put this off for a week, or two, to get my team better prepared right? I'm F2P and I only managed to 3* one of the X maps from the last event, but I would really like to try for the 50 DC's. Advice welcome.

you can put it off until last couple of days like any other event.

lolix
05-18-2016, 06:36 AM
So, I'm not crazy in thinking I can afford to put this off for a week, or two, to get my team better prepared right? I'm F2P and I only managed to 3* one of the X maps from the last event, but I would really like to try for the 50 DC's. Advice welcome.

realistically speaking , the map is pretty easy untill the 3 or 4 liches apear at the end and as someone pointed out , having a mr tank like another valk or horace placed behind your main duelist/princess (again , placed after you set your main duelist , so the lich take aggro) will take the heat of your front line duelist. That combined with 3 healers should be good enough to keep them alive. I would suggest a claudia because of her skill that gives extra mr , but if you lack her , get any dulist with high mr and preferably hp and keep in mind that you can use lightning rods (aka , 1 duelist doesn't have to tank the entire battle. Do it as we did it on immortal beast : swap stuff out if they die. ALso you could use a heavy with high hp to tank them as well if you don't have any duelist capable of tanking 3 liches.

King Dong
05-18-2016, 07:22 AM
Is Vampire Hunter Khuri a unit that a F2P player should get to 50cc30? And if I get the one from the story mission should I use it to CR this one, or vice versa?

Oh, and is Fallen Angle Niel worth getting? I have a few extra Valks after the last event? (sorry this is a bit off topic)

switch
05-18-2016, 07:24 AM
From what I hear she is good after cc she will fire 3 shots all the time. She is a good unit to have and yeah I could combine her atleast once for the 1 cr

King Dong
05-18-2016, 07:31 AM
From what I hear she is good after cc she will fire 3 shots all the time. She is a good unit to have and yeah I could combine her atleast once for the 1 cr

Thanks! I figure since you use a rogue to CC her might as well use the second copy to CR her. I haven't done the desert missions past Fiery Oasis, but since the videos I watched seem to be using four ranged physical damagers, and my default only has two until I get Spica, this way I can level a unit that can server a purpose later, and will help with the base scrambles.

lacus
05-18-2016, 07:45 AM
Turns out I don't even need to bother with skill activation to get the full 500 kills....cool :)

switch
05-18-2016, 07:46 AM
What units are you using?

soranokira
05-18-2016, 07:48 AM
Thanks! I figure since you use a rogue to CC her might as well use the second copy to CR her. I haven't done the desert missions past Fiery Oasis, but since the videos I watched seem to be using four ranged physical damagers, and my default only has two until I get Spica, this way I can level a unit that can server a purpose later, and will help with the base scrambles.

I wouldnt suggest spending 100k gold on the TP silvers until you actually need them. they're silvers, so they have a chance of dropping from events.

King Dong
05-18-2016, 08:30 AM
I wouldnt suggest spending 100k gold on the TP silvers until you actually need them. they're silvers, so they have a chance of dropping from events.

I was only really considering Niel for 100k. I mean since Ertel, Khuri, and Percis can be obtained from story missions (when I get that far), and I haven't heard any reason to get Ricardo.

The video for the hardest map uses 2 valks, and a princess, but I only have one valk so I was thinking I might use Niel, after I remove my heavy or my heavy dies, to tank the liches. That is if that even makes sense. I have to work with what I have.

lacus
05-18-2016, 12:24 PM
I used Kerry, Lilia, Claudia, Iris, a plat healer, an AW'd gold healer, Odette, and some other units. Nothing all that special.

Edit: OMG, I just got Sophie on my alt account that I don't even play that much...meanwhile I still haven't ever rolled any blacks on my main - I call BS! Not sure if I should be happy or sad :confused: The desire detector is as strong as ever :P

King Dong
05-18-2016, 08:51 PM
I used Kerry, Lilia, Claudia, Iris, a plat healer, an AW'd gold healer, Odette, and some other units. Nothing all that special.

Edit: OMG, I just got Sophie on my alt account that I don't even play that much...meanwhile I still haven't ever rolled any blacks on my main - I call BS! Not sure if I should be happy or sad :confused: The desire detector is as strong as ever :P

Congrats on Sophie! :D

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Ok, I have watched a LOT of videos on the 500 version of this map, and the consensus team comp seems to be...

1 Heavy
2 MR Tanks
3 Healers
2 Mages
2 Witches
1 Soldier (w/ call reinforcements)

I have..

1 Heavy - Leeanne 50cc50 100 aff
2 MR Tanks - Elaine 50cc50 100 aff and (GIANT HOLE)
3 Healers - Iris 50cc46 100 aff, Alissa 50cc50 100 aff, and Marr 50cc40 100 aff
2 Mages - Sasha 50cc40 100 aff and Valerie 50cc50
2 Witches - Cloris 50cc40 100 aff and Calliope 50cc50 100 aff
1 Soldier - Katie 50cc40 100 aff

I managed to get 491/500, but this team can't finish it. What do you purpose I should do for a second MR tank? I could get Niel from the Trading post, I could level another Elaine to 50cc30+, ect. I really want to get the 50 DC's. I would prefer to make a decision that would both get me through this AND work long term. A second Elaine seem like a last resort, but if I must I will.

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

soranokira
05-19-2016, 12:57 AM
...1 heavy? didnt realize 1 heavy was needed. I guess my dps too high for that.
I did it with 2 healers, iris and fedora. alissa on skill heals about the same as fedora (probably higher) so.
2 mages yes. 2 witches...I didnt use any. just had 2 archers (or at least I'll just consider Len as an archer for now)
2 soldiers. :D best. valk for UP generation.

you managed to get to 491 so you need to see what the issue is (aside from the liches). you should have room for 4 lightning rods if you did right. Imelia and Eunice can both be lightning rods. also, it honestly doesnt matter even if you fail the 50 DCs. you're still new so it can't be helped. I've missed 50 DCs on DMM 3 times.

edit: also, cut out units that you dont need. gargoyles should be easily handled with archer+mage. you can only improve if you try to analyze your own team and how you can make it better yourself, since it's yours. also, remember that units CAN die in subjugations. just let your bandits/elaine etc. die tanking lich dmg.

JMich
05-19-2016, 02:02 AM
[QUOTE=King Dong;29452 What do you purpose I should do for a second MR tank? [/QUOTE]

You do not need a second MR tank. There are a few guides that use 2 soldiers for UP generation (Katie and Phyllis), like key kii's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1GzOO-z-7Y) and there's also this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNso9qi6M-k) that uses bandits to slow the liches.
Remember, you only need to do the 500 kills once, after that you can go with 491 ones to grind the 10000 total kills.

King Dong
05-19-2016, 07:08 AM
...1 heavy? didnt realize 1 heavy was needed. I guess my dps too high for that.
I did it with 2 healers, iris and fedora. alissa on skill heals about the same as fedora (probably higher) so.
2 mages yes. 2 witches...I didnt use any. just had 2 archers (or at least I'll just consider Len as an archer for now)
2 soldiers. :D best. valk for UP generation.

you managed to get to 491 so you need to see what the issue is (aside from the liches). you should have room for 4 lightning rods if you did right. Imelia and Eunice can both be lightning rods. also, it honestly doesnt matter even if you fail the 50 DCs. you're still new so it can't be helped. I've missed 50 DCs on DMM 3 times.

edit: also, cut out units that you dont need. gargoyles should be easily handled with archer+mage. you can only improve if you try to analyze your own team and how you can make it better yourself, since it's yours. also, remember that units CAN die in subjugations. just let your bandits/elaine etc. die tanking lich dmg.

I should have mentioned I'm F2P, and I have 0 AWs...the videos (I watched at least 6) that I saw all had roughly that set up with 0 AWs. You might not need a heavy if you have AWs or premium damage units.


You do not need a second MR tank. There are a few guides that use 2 soldiers for UP generation (Katie and Phyllis), like key kii's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1GzOO-z-7Y) and there's also this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNso9qi6M-k) that uses bandits to slow the liches.
Remember, you only need to do the 500 kills once, after that you can go with 491 ones to grind the 10000 total kills.

The second video was actually one I hadn't seen. Although, it really just used the same set up as most of the other ones, but used an archer where most used a Mage/Witch, or in one case a ??? (the witch that heals with skill use I forget what it is called). For me at least my Sasha is better than an equivalent archer I believe, and my double witches seems to be doing good on the right.

Overall my current plan is to get Imelia to 50cc30 and try again. If that doesn't work I will just have to be really sad, and try to figure something else out.

soranokira
05-19-2016, 07:29 AM
I didnt use any premium units either, I used event units.
the only AW I used is probably spica, since AW katie 2% def is a bit meh. never used a heavy so bernice AW doesnt affect. didnt use saki so AW saki doesnt affect either. but up to you. whatever you use is really just whatever floats your boat. like I said before, subjugations are a good time to test and find out what your team is lacking, and working to improve your team by working on that weak link. I personally feel that having 2~3 mages (or maybe 2 witch 2 mage) should be sufficient to dps down everything without needing a heavy. then again I had claudia (princess/duelist) to absorb the damage from the black wolf riders and killing them before they could do much damage to my ranged.

there are 10,001 to achieving something.

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this is my early game setup. I have a lot of rather unnecessary units including a shuuka (advance guard, located at last melee spot behind prince) and a Len (rearguard, top right ranged unit). Len is replaceable with an archer/witch. Shuuka can be removed to place another ranged up top.
http://i.imgur.com/n8mksmA.png

my team: http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/QM5Ah8A.png

and then, my end-game setup: (only 2 units changed)
http://i.imgur.com/51EVYA1.png

in theory, taking out Len and Shuuka and replacing with 2 witches, then taking out katie to place a heavy as lightning rod for your 2 witches as well as stop the wolves/black gob riders, should suffice. which means you should still have 3 extra slots for lightning rods.

King Dong
05-19-2016, 07:44 AM
I didnt use any premium units either, I used event units.
the only AW I used is probably spica, since AW katie 2% def is a bit meh. never used a heavy so bernice AW doesnt affect. didnt use saki so AW saki doesnt affect either. but up to you. whatever you use is really just whatever floats your boat. like I said before, subjugations are a good time to test and find out what your team is lacking, and working to improve your team by working on that weak link. I personally feel that having 2~3 mages (or maybe 2 witch 2 mage) should be sufficient to dps down everything without needing a heavy. then again I had claudia (princess/duelist) to absorb the damage from the black wolf riders and killing them before they could do much damage to my ranged.

there are 10,001 to achieving something.

- - - Updated - - -

this is my early game setup. I have a lot of rather unnecessary units including a shuuka (advance guard, located at last melee spot behind prince) and a Len (rearguard, top right ranged unit). Len is replaceable with an archer/witch. Shuuka can be removed to place another ranged up top.
http://i.imgur.com/n8mksmA.png

my team: http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/QM5Ah8A.png

and then, my end-game setup: (only 2 units changed)
http://i.imgur.com/51EVYA1.png

I should start by saying "premium units' was a poor choice of words. I mean anything that isn't a basic (guaranteed) unit. So, units from premium summons AND event units would count. My bad.

With that said thanks for sharing your set up. I have mostly 50cc40/50 units so the extra levels (and non-freemium units) are likely why you got away with 2 healers. Anyways great job! I will continue to level Imelia and hope for the best on my next try. (at this point even my failures are ok since they are 400+ and thus better than running the easier one)

Edit:

On a side note you might notice that I haven't CCed my Phyllis...I don't like the unit and want to replace it with Assal once I can get through the base scrambles.

soranokira
05-19-2016, 08:03 AM
you probably dont need to CC phyllis. soldiers aren't supposed to tank much here. and that's the thing: you're supposed to nuke the mobs to death in this map, which is why they have such a long way to walk. also, barbastroff isn't much stronger than valerie/pallis. neither is fedora all that much stronger than alissa. and i guess I'll try running with silvers later. in theory it should not be an issue.

edit: scratch that. I managed 460+ kills using http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/zEe71xI.png
I'll get back to you whether I can make 500. only reason I got 460+ was due to mortimer not having enough def since I was using him as duelist in replacement for claudia. going to level up imelia to 50cc30 first. her raw stats atm is telling me she has sufficient stats to survive the black gob rider rush.

edit2: decided to throw 110 green crystals into sp summon.
iron - iron - iron - iron - bronze - silver - iron - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze - bronze - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze - bronze - silver - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze.
8 iron
12 bronze
2 silver.

my luck orz

lolix
05-19-2016, 08:33 AM
you should be able to complete the map with that team imo. 3 healers and enough duelists to use as rods for the last lich rush. Also , u can replace phylis with another leane or duelist. I've managed to complete this map with just a katie and no valk for god's sake.

soranokira
05-19-2016, 08:50 AM
you should be able to complete the map with that team imo. 3 healers and enough duelists to use as rods for the last lich rush. Also , u can replace phylis with another leane or duelist. I've managed to complete this map with just a katie and no valk for god's sake.

yeah I accidentally let mortimer die because late in skill usage at the 400th creep mark. placing subsequent units was also late and odette died. otherwise in theory, 2 healers are enough, which was what I was trying to prove. admittedly, that's because I'm using 1 plat mage (which king dong has in the form of sasha)

King Dong
05-19-2016, 09:42 AM
yeah I accidentally let mortimer die because late in skill usage at the 400th creep mark. placing subsequent units was also late and odette died. otherwise in theory, 2 healers are enough, which was what I was trying to prove. admittedly, that's because I'm using 1 plat mage (which king dong has in the form of sasha)

True...BUT on the account that I only have two healers I don't have Sasha. ;) lol :P

Either way it would be interesting to see if you can make a f2p-ish 2 healer party work.

lolix
05-19-2016, 12:12 PM
i made a f2p 2 healer party work....on 2 different accounts. Then again my 2 accounts each has either an awakened iris or an awakened camilla.




But , i'm guessing you meant just a basic units/silvers run.

King Dong
05-19-2016, 12:37 PM
i made a f2p 2 healer party work....on 2 different accounts. Then again my 2 accounts each has either an awakened iris or an awakened camilla.

But , i'm guessing you meant just a basic units/silvers run.

I mean a basic units/silvers run would be interesting, but what I really need is just to be able to beat it with the two accounts in my signature.

Each is f2p with only 1 event unit (Imelia -1 cr 4/10) and 1 or 2 premium units (Aisha on one, and Sasha/Marr on the other)

lolix
05-19-2016, 01:15 PM
Each is f2p with only 1 event unit (Imelia -1 cr 4/10) and 1 or 2 premium units (Aisha on one, and Sasha/Marr on the other)


You're spoiled then , if those are your premium units. Aisha is a goddess of destruction , and both sasha and marr are very useful

King Dong
05-19-2016, 01:23 PM
You're spoiled then , if those are your premium units. Aisha is a goddess of destruction , and both sasha and marr are very useful

Farmed 100+ restarts, so I feel like I earned them. ;)

Although honestly I have really experienced their power yet. Sasha only hits a little harder than Valerie, and I haven't REALLY needed a third healer until now (so Marr hasn't gotten to shine). As for Aisha well you know they say she isn't really all that impressive until you AW her, and she is a Black, and I have no AW's yet. Heck I don't even have the units to CC her yet. ;(

With that said I am happy that I have them.

Kyanon
05-19-2016, 04:13 PM
I got Sasha too, and trust me, she hits like a truck when she hits level 50CC70... 611 attack, plus a skill that can allow your tanks to tank a little more than they could usually do... Can't wait to awaken her, but it'll have to wait ! I got Marr too, but still level 25, will have to level up her sooner or later ^^'

King Dong
05-20-2016, 11:00 AM
I got Sasha too, and trust me, she hits like a truck when she hits level 50CC70... 611 attack, plus a skill that can allow your tanks to tank a little more than they could usually do... Can't wait to awaken her, but it'll have to wait ! I got Marr too, but still level 25, will have to level up her sooner or later ^^'

Oh, I believe it! They are both great units. I was simply stating that I have been able to experience their full power yet, but I sure do look forward to it.

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you probably dont need to CC phyllis. soldiers aren't supposed to tank much here. and that's the thing: you're supposed to nuke the mobs to death in this map, which is why they have such a long way to walk. also, barbastroff isn't much stronger than valerie/pallis. neither is fedora all that much stronger than alissa. and i guess I'll try running with silvers later. in theory it should not be an issue.

edit: scratch that. I managed 460+ kills using http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/zEe71xI.png
I'll get back to you whether I can make 500. only reason I got 460+ was due to mortimer not having enough def since I was using him as duelist in replacement for claudia. going to level up imelia to 50cc30 first. her raw stats atm is telling me she has sufficient stats to survive the black gob rider rush.

edit2: decided to throw 110 green crystals into sp summon.
iron - iron - iron - iron - bronze - silver - iron - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze - bronze - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze - bronze - silver - bronze - iron - bronze - bronze.
8 iron
12 bronze
2 silver.

my luck orz

So, any luck getting 500 with a f2p, 2 healer, 0 AW team?


i made a f2p 2 healer party work....on 2 different accounts. Then again my 2 accounts each has either an awakened iris or an awakened camilla.

But , i'm guessing you meant just a basic units/silvers run.

What about you any chance you could do it with a f2p, 2 healer, 0 AW team?

I'm a third of the way to 10,000 kills and my best run is 492 (that is +1 from last time, but basically the same since I just caught the early guy I missed before) I have tried more then few different strats, I have re-watched over a half a dozen different videos, and I improved my previously listed party (see below) with a 50cc38 Imelia, and I leveled Iris to 50cc46 (so I can double xp can her to max). I might have to like screen shot the map, explain the order I'm playing them in, and see if you guys can help. Ug.

On the plus side I did get 15 DC on my final DC daily yesterday leaving me with exactly 200 DCs for Spica.

Quick question is it smarter to put my next 200 DCs into a second Spica for CR and Skill Up OR to use the DCs for my first two AWs? BTW I don't even have the 3 archers to CC Spica so I figured if I have to delay the CC anyways it might make sense to get second one and use it for CR/SU.

soranokira
05-20-2016, 11:03 AM
you dont need to CC the 2nd spica. TP units dont need to be CC'd because their skills do not change after CC.

still leveling Imelia.

switch
05-20-2016, 11:27 AM
I wouldn't worry to much about not doing the full 500 yet you legit still have 3 weeks to do it. Just lvl up your units and should be good enough by the last few days of event

King Dong
05-20-2016, 11:49 AM
you dont need to CC the 2nd spica. TP units dont need to be CC'd because their skills do not change after CC.

still leveling Imelia.

I meant I don't have the CC fodder for the first one...F2P player I CCed Bashira and Soma on both accounts (and Marr on one). So, gonna need an event with archers, luck from my free daily 2k summons/the PoC summons from this event, or I will just be sad.


I wouldn't worry to much about not doing the full 500 yet you legit still have 3 weeks to do it. Just lvl up your units and should be good enough by the last few days of event

Yeah, that is a legit plan IF I can have the correct units by the last few days. I was trying to find a working strat so I can mimic it on my second account. Which is basically 2-3 weeks behind the first, and lacks Marr/Sasha.

switch
05-20-2016, 12:03 PM
Unless you have been super unlucky you should get some silvers from the so summon

Talith
05-20-2016, 12:41 PM
Need two more runs of SM and then I can spend all my charisma on farming fodder so I can level Imelia and then re-level Imelia and Claudia after awakening them.

Really want the Liselotte event so I can have a cuter, maxed out soldier but also so that I can have a second soldier for UP generation during events like this.

The crystal pieces have finally payed off and given me a gold unit, Monica. :)

King Dong
05-20-2016, 12:55 PM
Unless you have been super unlucky you should get some silvers from the so summon

Well, I have only recieved two silvers between my two accounts. A Leeanne on my black account and a Valerie on my two plat account. That includes all my free 2k summons and the PoC summons from stamp cards and this event.

switch
05-20-2016, 01:05 PM
Well that sucks aha you should get on avg 1 silver for every 3-4 so summons well that's my luck anyway. Some times I'll have 6 summons of all silver and then 6 of nothing but bronzes aha

Talith
05-20-2016, 01:20 PM
There's no way that can be average. Ever since it's been introduced, with one month where I got extra thanks to buying a rax and the pieces from this event, I've pulled 3 silvers and now finally a gold.

King Dong
05-20-2016, 01:28 PM
Base Summon (2k summon)

Estimated probability of each rarity dropping from 25,000 trials:

Iron: 56.87% +- 0.81% with 99% confidence interval
Bronze: 40.69% +- 0.80% with 99% confidence interval
Silver: 2.38% +- 0.25% with 99% confidence interval
Gold: 0.05% +- 0.04% with 99% confidence interval
Platinum: Less than gold
Black: Less than platinum

Base Summon SP (Piece of Crystal x5)

Estimated probability:

Iron: 33.4%
Bronze: 41.9%
Silver: 16.3%
Gold: 5.0%
Platinum: 1.2% or less
Black: 0.3% or less

According to the wiki...

switch
05-20-2016, 01:37 PM
That's my avg aha already gotten 2 from this event and I'm at 4000, with probability you have about 50% chance to get a silver every 4 goes. event gives you 12 goes so if you lucky 3 silvers

King Dong
05-20-2016, 01:56 PM
That's my avg aha already gotten 2 from this event and I'm at 4000, with probability you have about 50% chance to get a silver every 4 goes. event gives you 12 goes so if you lucky 3 silvers

2 of your 6 rolls were silver? That is well above average.

switch
05-20-2016, 02:00 PM
yeah my other 6 will probs all be irons now aha

lolix
05-20-2016, 04:02 PM
2 of my 6 rolls were 1 silver and 1 gold last night , if we're talking sp summons

King Dong
05-20-2016, 04:15 PM
So, I came into the event with 4 CP and I'm about a third of the way through the 10k. That's 6 rolls...I have received 0 Silver+ units. :(

Grimmiq
05-20-2016, 07:42 PM
My SP summons for the event (Full 10k) got me 1 gold, 2 silver.

slyyr
05-20-2016, 08:03 PM
I'm only on about 2k kills and I have had 2 silvers drop from summons.I think the game was making it up for me for only dropping 1 healer a couple of events back with a Christopher (I didn't have one!) and Dorca.

Best I've done is 497 kills. A couple of red flyers leaked through. Since then I fixed the leak problem (a subtle change in deployment) and now I can't beat the liches like I did the first time LOL

King Dong
05-20-2016, 10:12 PM
Well, I can only hope that I get lucky enough to pull a usable unit (Gold+), or maybe some high priority Silver fodder, like you guys.

soranokira
05-21-2016, 09:10 AM
So, any luck getting 500 with a f2p, 2 healer, 0 AW team?

http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/a9IXsYb.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/D8yFstL.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/0g4OsqG.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/mrweaP1.png

mission accomplished. Odette ended up tanking 2 of the lich hits, but valerie has enough hp/MR to do that as well. a bit risky but do-able. both my iris and alissa are at 2/5, but managing to heal 1k with the 2 of them should be achievable with prince buff. levels are the key thing here. Valerie has 997 hp and 10 MR. lich hits for 500 each, so 450 to valerie. admittedly, leeanne was pretty useful in stopping the gob rider/wolf rushes as well as taking a couple of hits for Imelia. not sure if taking away healer focus made her die or not though, but everybody + lightning rods lasted long enough for me to kill 1 lich. just not sure if switching bashira and Odette spot would be better though.

lolix
05-21-2016, 09:17 AM
Well, I can only hope that I get lucky enough to pull a usable unit (Gold+), or maybe some high priority Silver fodder, like you guys.

considering i got yuyu on the account i lack belinda , i'm reall yhappy. really usefull witch to have. Right now , outside of belinda (which was literally the first event unit) , Despara ( a black) , or simply raising multiple min costed versions of caliopee (which is both time consuming and resource consuming) , yuyu is the only option left for passing war of magic. Ofc , you can do it with the goddess buffs as well , but i'd rather not waste scs for it

King Dong
05-21-2016, 09:45 AM
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/a9IXsYb.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/D8yFstL.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/0g4OsqG.png
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/mrweaP1.png

mission accomplished. Odette ended up tanking 2 of the lich hits, but valerie has enough hp/MR to do that as well. a bit risky but do-able. both my iris and alissa are at 2/5, but managing to heal 1k with the 2 of them should be achievable with prince buff. levels are the key thing here. Valerie has 997 hp and 10 MR. lich hits for 500 each, so 450 to valerie. admittedly, leeanne was pretty useful in stopping the gob rider/wolf rushes as well as taking a couple of hits for Imelia. not sure if taking away healer focus made her die or not though, but everybody + lightning rods lasted long enough for me to kill 1 lich. just not sure if switching bashira and Odette spot would be better though.

Congrats! Looks pretty good, admittedly I don't have all three of the event units you used, but I will try to make do.

With that said I have a couple follow up request/questions.

1. Could you add a screen shot of the team you used, and possibly affection values? (So I can have the full information for reference)

2. Would you be willing to explain your deployment order?

Thanks in advance!

Tenhou
05-21-2016, 10:06 AM
Finally started doing more of the event, been dedicating the whole week to DC and orbs. Is laughably easy compared to the subjugations on DMM though.

Then again, who wouldn't have an easy time with this team? >.<
http://i.imgur.com/VtMEMop.png

soranokira
05-21-2016, 10:10 AM
Congrats! Looks pretty good, admittedly I don't have all three of the event units you used, but I will try to make do.

With that said I have a couple follow up request/questions.

1. Could you add a screen shot of the team you used, and possibly affection values? (So I can have the full information for reference)

2. Would you be willing to explain your deployment order?

Thanks in advance!

1) Katie-Elaine (right of Imelia)
2) Phyllis - Cloris
3) Prince - Iris - Bashira
4) Alissa - Calliope
5) stock up enough unit points and deploy Valerie - Odette - Imelia (withdrawing Elaine and Phyllis) during/after the 1st wolf rider rush
6) at this point you're approximately at screenshot 1. stock up enough UP using katie, preferably around 100.
7) withdraw katie, drop Leeanne at screenshot 2 (note that Leeanne's spot is exactly the same as Elaine's during the starting build)
8) only when the black gob riders come (around 370+ kills) would you need to activate Iris and Leeanne skills I think. Imelia's skill might be a bit risky since mine ended when the black ogres came which almost got her killed.
9) screenshot 3 = just before 3 liches spawn. activate Imelia skill when 1st lich spawns, activate Iris and Alissa skill when 2nd lich spawns, and just drop mortimer and other lightning rods on Imelia's spot when she dies. repeat until out of lightning rods and hope you killed 1 lich by then.
10) screenshot 4, activating bashira cloris and calliope skills to kill the last 5 flying dragons. see how my only remaining unit is Fedora (spare healer I brought for fun)

All units are 100% affection/trust except Elaine who doesnt matter since her aff bonus is hp, and phyllis who doesnt tank anything. (I have 30% on elaine but even 0% should be fine for her)
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/yT549Bs.png

Imelia has 2k hp, 297 base def (including aff). Conrad has 1.8k hp. Odette I already mentioned should be replaceable by Valerie/Pallis since they have 10 MR and 950+ hp. Conrad was just there for additional hp soak, easily replaceable by any high hp unit. you should have Imelia. so this should be completely replicable for you. just lacking levels and sheer no. of lightning rods. I gave you room for 3 lightning rods using this strategy, although dropping high hp bandits and princesses are the best drop-replacements after Imelia's death.

edit: Also, finally realized that by placing AW Bernice behind Claudia, I just completed my 500 kill full afk run. orz would've saved me some charisma if I did it earlier.

lolix
05-21-2016, 10:27 AM
the issue is , sora , that we don't know his prince lvl. I've had strategies fail before using the exact same team simply because my prince level was lower then the video's prince level. That might also be a issue.



@ten you're just showing off at the moment , aren't you ?

soranokira
05-21-2016, 10:34 AM
the issue is , sora , that we don't know his prince lvl. I've had strategies fail before using the exact same team simply because my prince level was lower then the video's prince level. That might also be a issue.



@ten you're just showing off at the moment , aren't you ?

Prince gives a 19% buff which happens to be the most commonly accepted achievable multiplier. (Savior title obtainable pre-100 along with level 100+ prince) actual levels doesnt matter here because prince doesnt duel anything.

lolix
05-21-2016, 10:41 AM
preblem is that we don't know if he has saviour yet

King Dong
05-21-2016, 11:13 AM
3) Prince - Iris - Bashira
4) Alissa - Calliope


I agree with the order but shouldn't you switch the locations of Iris and Alissa so your best healer is helping heal the bottom units?



5) stock up enough unit points and deploy Valerie - Odette - Imelia (withdrawing Elaine and Phyllis) during/after the 1st wolf rider rush


Just to clarify that means weaker mage > better mage > Imelia for attack order purposes?



9) screenshot 3 = just before 3 liches spawn. activate Imelia skill when 1st lich spawns, activate Iris and Alissa skill when 2nd lich spawns, and just drop mortimer and other lightning rods on Imelia's spot when she dies. repeat until out of lightning rods and hope you killed 1 lich by then.


I might be wrong, but doesn't magic damage ignore Def? If so wouldn't it be more accurate to active Imelia once she is in melee range of a lich (so AFTER the healers) for the extra damage and delayed hp lose?



All units are 100% affection/trust except Elaine who doesn't matter since her aff bonus is hp, and phyllis who doesn't tank anything. (I have 30% on elaine but even 0% should be fine for her)
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/yT549Bs.png


I might have issues farming enough affection items on my Black account. Well mostly for the two Valeries I use for mages, since I don't have Pallis yet, and the lightening rods I end up using. More on that point might it be possible to get enough UP without using Eliane? So I can use her as one of my lightening rods at the end.

EDIT: Also, if Elaine manages to live until the lichs are in range of Leeanne (meaning Leeanne would likely die first) is it ok to place the lighting rods in that slot, or should I wait until Elaine dies too and then start roding?


the issue is , sora , that we don't know his prince lvl. I've had strategies fail before using the exact same team simply because my prince level was lower then the video's prince level. That might also be a issue.

@ten you're just showing off at the moment , aren't you ?

My ranks are 116 on my 2 Plat Account and 109 on my Black Account. That means I likely won't have the lvl 125 stat increase (+100hp, +10atk, and +10def), nor the remaining 3 (150, 175, and 200) which are the same increases. That means I have 1400hp, 400atk, and 300def like all level 99 princes.

Kamahari Akuma
05-21-2016, 11:18 AM
Finally started doing more of the event, been dedicating the whole week to DC and orbs. Is laughably easy compared to the subjugations on DMM though.

Then again, who wouldn't have an easy time with this team? >.<
http://i.imgur.com/VtMEMop.png

...*tries taking your AW Olivie away from you*

Easy is an understatement. Then again its probably what DMM got when they first introduced the subjugation stuff so you could say we're getting our feet wet.

soranokira
05-21-2016, 11:28 AM
I agree with the order but shouldn't you switch the locations of Iris and Alissa so your best healer is helping heal the bottom units?
bottom units don't need to be healed. nothing should reach the bottom


Just to clarify that means weaker mage > better mage > Imelia for attack order purposes?
weaker mage on the right, better mage on the left. and yes, attack order purposes.


I might be wrong, but doesn't magic damage ignore Def? If so wouldn't it be more accurate to active Imelia once she is in melee range of a lich (so AFTER the healers) for the extra damage and delayed hp lose?
You can, but Imelia is NOT going to survive so you can activate early so you don't end up wasting 1 attack of Imelia's (wasting in the sense that she hits once without her skill up)


I might have issues farming enough affection items on my Black account. Well mostly for the two Valeries I use for mages, since I don't have Pallis yet, and the lightening rods I end up using. More on that point might it be possible to get enough UP without using Eliane? So I can use her as one of my lightening rods at the end.
it's should be possible without using Elaine for early part I guess. I simply used her to generate UP early on so I can set up my team faster.
EDIT: Also, if Elaine manages to live until the lichs are in range of Leeanne (meaning Leeanne would likely die first) is it ok to place the lighting rods in that slot, or should I wait until Elaine dies too and then start roding?
your 1st lightning rod (Imelia in my screenshot) will die first, because she'll end up blocking the 1st lich and the 1st lich will switch back to attacking her instead of Leeanne.


My ranks are 116 on my 2 Plat Account and 109 on my Black Account. That means I likely won't have the lvl 125 stat increase (+100hp, +10atk, and +10def), nor the remaining 3 (150, 175, and 200) which are the same increases. That means I have 1400hp, 400atk, and 300def like all level 99 princes.

as mentioned, Prince stat does NOT affect things in this map. he should duel NOTHING. look at where I placed my prince lol. also, the rest is answered in red. also, whoever you use in Imelia's place should at least have 350 def and preferably 1.7k+ hp (hp value is randomly estimated value I came up with). and I thought you had Imelia on your black account?

switch
05-21-2016, 11:31 AM
King dong. You use imelia skill for the damage now the defense in this case. Using it purely to burst down the first lich as fast as you can

King Dong
05-21-2016, 11:40 AM
as mentioned, Prince stat does NOT affect things in this map. he should duel NOTHING. look at where I placed my prince lol. also, the rest is answered in red. also, whoever you use in Imelia's place should at least have 350 def and preferably 1.7k+ hp (hp value is randomly estimated value I came up with). and I thought you had Imelia on your black account?

I have Imelia on BOTH accounts, and she will be my primary lightning rod. ;) :cool:

Can you dodge magic attacks? (like is that how dodge works from, for example, Sasha's skill, or like on a rogue) I ask because if so then Imelia might survive due to dodging. :p

EDIT: Oh, and you did your MR math around lich damage being 500, but in reality it is 550 since the X difficulty map is 110% for enemies. So the correct math would be 550 - 55 = 495, and so if you down the first lich the remaining units need to be able to tank 990. Meh. :o

soranokira
05-21-2016, 11:47 AM
no, you cannot dodge magic attacks except with chizuru (gold samurai)'s skill. there will be units in the future that has a chance to completely nullify all damage taken from 1 attack though.

also, no. there's no scaling here. I checked, the lich only does 500 damage in the map itself.

King Dong
05-21-2016, 11:52 AM
King dong. You use imelia skill for the damage now the defense in this case. Using it purely to burst down the first lich as fast as you can

I agree. That was my point.

With that said @soranokira is bursting the first lich down the reason you wanted/considered changing Bashira to the "best mage" spot? If so keep in mind the lichs have 300 base Def (so 330 on X map).

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no, you cannot dodge magic attacks except with chizuru (gold samurai)'s skill. there will be units in the future that has a chance to completely nullify all damage taken from 1 attack though.

also, no. there's no scaling here. I checked, the lich only does 500 damage in the map itself.

No scaling...interesting. :D Silly Wiki got it wrong.

soranokira
05-21-2016, 11:55 AM
I agree. That was my point.

With that said @soranokira is bursting the first lich down the reason you wanted/considered changing Bashira to the "best mage" spot? If so keep in mind the lichs have 300 base Def (so 330 on X map).

yes, that was my consideration. especially since bashira has better attack speed and 600+ attack with prince buff iirc. also, def is probably 300 but in the end, everything is take with a pinch of salt and just estimates. a lot of things you won't be able to tell until you actually experiment with it yourself. I simply came up with the hypothesis, but at this point I'm done with experimenting and I have already achieved what I needed to.

also, wiki is not completely wrong. there are scaling on some (usually the scrub mobs) which I have personally experienced before between 400 kill map and 500 kill map in a previous dmm subjugation before. same applies to current dmm subjugation between 500 and 600 kill map.

King Dong
05-21-2016, 12:22 PM
yes, that was my consideration. especially since bashira has better attack speed and 600+ attack with prince buff iirc. also, def is probably 300 but in the end, everything is take with a pinch of salt and just estimates. a lot of things you won't be able to tell until you actually experiment with it yourself. I simply came up with the hypothesis, but at this point I'm done with experimenting and I have already achieved what I needed to.

also, wiki is not completely wrong. there are scaling on some (usually the scrub mobs) which I have personally experienced before between 400 kill map and 500 kill map in a previous dmm subjugation before. same applies to current dmm subjugation between 500 and 600 kill map.

Yeah, I will just keep the Bashira idea in mind when I finally get around to trying the map again, or on my second account if the Valerie being weaker then Sasha thing proves to matter.

Jay Rich
05-22-2016, 06:16 AM
Hi all my first time posting here. Been playing Nutaku Aigis for the last two months now so till a newish player, have been trying to build up my team as fast as possible to have a good chance at taking on events in the future such as this one (I started playing the last week of the event 'General of a ruined land' so missed out on both units).

Anyway onto this event, I have been watching most of the guides on the expert mission and lately had only been able to get up to the 400 kill mark. But a couple of runs ago I managed to get 499 kills (One dragon slipped through, didn't have enough DPS due to the lich's) since then I haven't been able to recreate what I did to reach that mark.

I use Bashira as my main dps as I wasn't having much luck with Valerie against the 3 lichs which is what killing me. My question would be are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice? I use Sybilla (lvl 55) around the time the lichs appear but she usually gets killed off by the time the second lich gets to her so I use to swap in bernice but she usually doesn't last long either (well not long enough for me to kill one lich off) Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

King Dong
05-22-2016, 06:44 AM
Hi all my first time posting here. Been playing Nutaku Aigis for the last two months now so till a newish player, have been trying to build up my team as fast as possible to have a good chance at taking on events in the future such as this one (I started playing the last week of the event 'General of a ruined land' so missed out on both units).

Anyway onto this event, I have been watching most of the guides on the expert mission and lately had only been able to get up to the 400 kill mark. But a couple of runs ago I managed to get 499 kills (One dragon slipped through, didn't have enough DPS due to the lich's) since then I haven't been able to recreate what I did to reach that mark.

I use Bashira as my main dps as I wasn't having much luck with Valerie against the 3 lichs which is what killing me. My question would be are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice? I use Sybilla (lvl 55) around the time the lichs appear but she usually gets killed off by the time the second lich gets to her so I use to swap in bernice but she usually doesn't last long either (well not long enough for me to kill on lich off) Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

Well, I haven't got 500 yet, but I'm in a situation similar to yours (getting to 492 regularly) trying to find the best way to beat the 3 lich 5 dragon ending. Right now there seems to be 5-7 important slots for the lich part, and the rest of the set up is about beating the dragons.

Lich part

2 Lightning Rod slots (First two melee slots)
2-3 Healer slots (2nd, 3rd, and possibly 4th ranged slots)
1 Primary RDPS slots (1st ranged slot)
1-2 Secondary RDPS slots (5th, and 4th if 2 healers, ranged slot/s)

With that in mind my answer to your question, "are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice?", would be "YES" for slot 1, and "not necessarily" for slot 2. My reason being that slot 1 is used to both TANK lich damage and to help DPS the lichs. Slot 2 is more so just to tank.

Keeping in mind the order you play units in is the reverse of the order they are attacked in I believe you want to have a "being attacked" order of roughly...

Melee slot 2 (when it dies replace with tank-y lightning rods)
Melee slot 1 (when it dies replace with damage-y lightning rods)
Ranged slot 2
Ranged slot 1
Ranged slots 4-5 and then 3 or 3 and then 4-5 I'm unsure if your main healer staying up, or keeping all the DPS up, is more important.

Anyways that is my take as of right now. Good luck!

JMich
05-22-2016, 06:45 AM
Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

A 50CC50 Mortimer has about the same health as a 50CC60 Bernice, a lot less defense (useless versus the liches) and more than double the attack.

P.S. Do take a look at this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNso9qi6M-k) as well.

King Dong
05-22-2016, 06:52 AM
A 50CC50 Mortimer has about the same health as a 50CC60 Bernice, a lot less defense (useless versus the liches) and more than double the attack.

P.S. Do take a look at this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNso9qi6M-k) as well.

Also, in the video linked notice the skill usage times at the 492 mark they seem pretty key.

switch
05-22-2016, 07:02 AM
Most people will need to use skills at the 492 mark. Sybila should be able to tank the liches 15 mr is very nice. Maybe your healers aren't up to par? Also if you manage to kill the liches and have duelists to spare drop them and the dragons will stop to attack buying you a little more time to kill

King Dong
05-22-2016, 07:06 AM
Also if you manage to kill the liches and have UNITS to spare drop them and the dragons will stop to attack buying you a little more time to kill

Fixed ;) and now I can say "I agree with switch!". :D

lol :cool:

switch
05-22-2016, 07:16 AM
well the only units you should have spare are maybe boosters or duelists

Tenhou
05-22-2016, 07:18 AM
Placing out a full team in 1-2 minutes then hitting the speed up button and going afk until everything is done...

Jay Rich
05-22-2016, 07:19 AM
With that in mind my answer to your question, "are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice?", would be "YES" for slot 1, and "not necessarily" for slot 2. My reason being that slot 1 is used to both TANK lich damage and to help DPS the lichs. Slot 2 is more so just to tank.

Keeping in mind the order you play units in is the reverse of the order they are attacked in I believe you want to have a "being attacked" order of roughly...


I had enough charisma to give it one last try for the day, mind you I did use some of my fairies and platinum armors to level Bashira some more now she is maxed at 50cc70.

And too my surprise I managed to get all 500 kills Sybilla held on this time so I didn't need to substitute in my bandits which I saved for the dragons. I read somewhere was probably in this thread that too activate Bashiras skill on the first Lich and to use my 2 healers skill when the second appears. Had done this in the past but my placing order must have been a little out and the lichs might have done something to give me trouble due to my order placement.

Surprised I only needed 2 healers was thinking I may have to train up a third. I hope you can get it in the end and cheers for the advise.



P.S. Do take a look at this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNso9qi6M-k) as well.

This video here was indeed the video I watched to base my winning tactic cheers! I did change a few things but still a good way to do that mission.


Most people will need to use skills at the 492 mark. Sybila should be able to tank the liches 15 mr is very nice. Maybe your healers aren't up to par? Also if you manage to kill the liches and have duelists to spare drop them and the dragons will stop to attack buying you a little more time to kill

Yeah not sure what it was, she hung on this time round, might have not used my healers correctly with good timing on their skills.

King Dong
05-22-2016, 09:17 AM
Happy to help. :cool:

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well the only units you should have spare are maybe boosters or duelists

I thought the wink made it obvious I was just messing with you. :p

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Well, just a few minutes and I will have enough Charisma to give the 500 3 more tries with this team...

http://i.imgur.com/I2K9CLK.png

If it doesn't work first try I can double XP-can Iris to max level, and dump some fodder into Bashira, and try again.

Wish me luck!

kainpen
05-22-2016, 07:31 PM
I did not see any one post this one here, but I just hit 10k kills and you can't go over it, I was really hope it would keep the kill count going so could grab more crystals, and maybe get some more silvers since the awakening requirements are a ton of silvers. But it does not =( I only 1 silver out of all the crystals.

King Dong
05-22-2016, 07:38 PM
Failed those three runs...did one more...497 got the lichs down, but lost too many units doing it. Ug. I'm gonna need to level one more lightning rod and use it over Marr (didn't need third healer).

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I did not see any one post this one here, but I just hit 10k kills and you can't go over it, I was really hope it would keep the kill count going so could grab more crystals, and maybe get some more silvers since the awakening requirements are a ton of silvers. But it does not =( I only 1 silver out of all the crystals.

At least you got 1 silver I have none so far and I'm well over half way.

switch
05-22-2016, 07:53 PM
The general map is a joke up untill those liches ahaha my pleb shit account made it all the way to liches then failed cause of duelists and healing. Could probably 500 it easy after a few more lvls

Jay Rich
05-22-2016, 09:51 PM
Failed those three runs...did one more...497 got the lichs down, but lost too many units doing it. Ug. I'm gonna need to level one more lightning rod and use it over Marr (didn't need third healer).


Yeah I didn't feel the third healer was necessary, just gotta find that right unit that will be the best lightning rod so you have enough time to take one lich down.

switch
05-22-2016, 10:14 PM
The point of the third healer is to heal your lightning rod in the second slot. So your main healers focus on your duelist in the first slot. You wanna place a lightning rod in the second slot as your last placed unit

slyyr
05-22-2016, 10:24 PM
1) Katie-Elaine (right of Imelia)
2) Phyllis - Cloris
3) Prince - Iris - Bashira
4) Alissa - Calliope
5) stock up enough unit points and deploy Valerie - Odette - Imelia (withdrawing Elaine and Phyllis) during/after the 1st wolf rider rush
6) at this point you're approximately at screenshot 1. stock up enough UP using katie, preferably around 100.
7) withdraw katie, drop Leeanne at screenshot 2 (note that Leeanne's spot is exactly the same as Elaine's during the starting build)
8) only when the black gob riders come (around 370+ kills) would you need to activate Iris and Leeanne skills I think. Imelia's skill might be a bit risky since mine ended when the black ogres came which almost got her killed.
9) screenshot 3 = just before 3 liches spawn. activate Imelia skill when 1st lich spawns, activate Iris and Alissa skill when 2nd lich spawns, and just drop mortimer and other lightning rods on Imelia's spot when she dies. repeat until out of lightning rods and hope you killed 1 lich by then.
10) screenshot 4, activating bashira cloris and calliope skills to kill the last 5 flying dragons. see how my only remaining unit is Fedora (spare healer I brought for fun)

All units are 100% affection/trust except Elaine who doesnt matter since her aff bonus is hp, and phyllis who doesnt tank anything. (I have 30% on elaine but even 0% should be fine for her)
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/yT549Bs.png

Imelia has 2k hp, 297 base def (including aff). Conrad has 1.8k hp. Odette I already mentioned should be replaceable by Valerie/Pallis since they have 10 MR and 950+ hp. Conrad was just there for additional hp soak, easily replaceable by any high hp unit. you should have Imelia. so this should be completely replicable for you. just lacking levels and sheer no. of lightning rods. I gave you room for 3 lightning rods using this strategy, although dropping high hp bandits and princesses are the best drop-replacements after Imelia's death.

edit: Also, finally realized that by placing AW Bernice behind Claudia, I just completed my 500 kill full afk run. orz would've saved me some charisma if I did it earlier.

This deployment is fantastic. If you have stronger/different units and can replace, it makes it even easier.

Using this as a basis I can consistently get 500 kills now with little danger. I use Claudia (-2CR, 4 skill) to tank/lightning rod with Imelia and Sophie in reserve just in case. I deploy Julian early (with Katie) instead of Phyllis and Elaine. I also replace witches with Elizabeth and Adele, Leeanne with Bernice, Odette with Cyrus.

King Dong
05-23-2016, 07:09 AM
This deployment is fantastic. If you have stronger/different units and can replace, it makes it even easier.

Using this as a basis I can consistently get 500 kills now with little danger. I use Claudia (-2CR, 4 skill) to tank/lightning rod with Imelia and Sophie in reserve just in case. I deploy Julian early (with Katie) instead of Phyllis and Elaine. I also replace witches with Elizabeth and Adele, Leeanne with Bernice, Odette with Cyrus.

Yes, this deployment order is very good, and can be tailored to fit an individuals needs if you understand the purpose each unit serves. For example If you recognize that the first three units are UP generators you can simply substitute your UP generators, or if you realize that "Valerie - Odette - Imelia" Are the main units used to kill the lichs, and in Imelia's case your first lightning rod, then you can substitute the units you want to use to kill the lichs. Also in the previous example understanding that placing Imelia last is important. ect.

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500...That is all. :cool:

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No, but seriously I finally got 500, but not only did I get 500 I did it and NOTHING died. Extra lightning rods? Who needs em? lol

This was my team...

http://i.imgur.com/TsxfXBa.png

Phyllis, Eunice, Russell, and 2nd Leeanne weren't needed. ;)

I made minor changes to the deployment order, and used a 3rd healer. It went super smoothly. Now I have to get my second account ready and see if I can do it without Sasha doing the heavy lifting.

Jay Rich
05-23-2016, 07:25 AM
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500...That is all. :cool:

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No, but seriously I finally got 500, but not only did I get 500 I did it and NOTHING died. Extra lightning rods? Who needs em? lol

This was my team...

http://i.imgur.com/TsxfXBa.png

Phyllis, Eunice, Russell, and 2nd Leeanne weren't needed. ;)

I made minor changes to the deployment order, and used a 3rd healer. It went super smoothly. Now I have to get my second account ready and see if I can do it without Sasha doing the heavy lifting.

Very nice congratz, I always find it interesting to see what teams people use as everyone is going to be different in some ways or another.

This was my team and setup, I also had Katie (replaced by Leeanne) and Elanie (Replaced by Sybilla). In the end I didn't really need to drop my Bandit to slow the dragons down but I did anyway just to make sure I got them this time round.

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King Dong
05-23-2016, 08:07 AM
Very nice congratz, I always find it interesting to see what teams people use as everyone is going to be different in some ways or another.

This was my team and setup, I also had Katie (replaced by Leeanne) and Elanie (Replaced by Sybilla). In the end I didn't really need to drop my Bandit to slow the dragons down but I did anyway just to make sure I got them this time round.

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:o I'm so jelly of your Sybilla! :p

My set up was...

Elanie - Katie (same spots as you)
Prince (one spot to the left of yours)
Iris (where your Allissa is)
Cloris (where your Soma is)
Calliope (where your Palis is)
Valerie (where your Cloris is)
Stall while generating UP to delay next placement as long as possible (Placing Sasha to help with last set of fliers)
Sasha (where your Bashira is)
Marr (where your Valerie is)
Alissa (where your Iris is)
Imelia replaces Elaine
Leeanne replaces Katie

Iris-Alissa ability usage when second lich fires first shot
Imelia ability usage before first swing
Valerie ability usage when a lich gets in range
Cloris-Calliope ability usage on dragons

(Marrs ability usage was on dragons I believe, that is since she can't heal melee slot 1)

500!

Jay Rich
05-23-2016, 08:52 AM
:o I'm so jelly of your Sybilla! :p

My set up was...

Elanie - Katie (same spots as you)
Prince (one spot to the left of yours)
Iris (where your Allissa is)
Cloris (where your Soma is)
Calliope (where your Palis is)
Valerie (where your Cloris is)
Stall while generating UP to delay next placement as long as possible (Placing Sasha to help with last set of fliers)
Sasha (where your Bashira is)
Marr (where your Valerie is)
Alissa (where your Iris is)
Imelia replaces Elaine
Leeanne replaces Katie

Iris-Alissa ability usage when second lich fires first shot
Imelia ability usage before first swing
Valerie ability usage when a lich gets in range
Cloris-Calliope ability usage on dragons

(Marrs ability usage was on dragons I believe, that is since she can't heal melee slot 1)

500!

I envy your Sasha :)

I was thinking to use Imelia over Sybilla (I feel very lucky to gave gotten her lol) but my Imelia is still only lvl 10 I had already spent a lot of coin, spirits and platinum armors getting Sybilla (Who I only got very recently) and some of my base units like Iris and Elanie to a decent lvl and maxing Bashira to 50cc70 to take this mission on. But hopefully this quick bulk lvl will put me in a good spot for future events.

Just gotta get the 10,000 kill count and I will be set. So far have gotten 2 silvers off this event, Alissa and Lauren.

King Dong
05-23-2016, 09:20 AM
I envy your Sasha :)

I was thinking to use Imelia over Sybilla (I feel very lucky to gave gotten her lol) but my Imelia is still only lvl 10 I had already spent a lot of coin, spirits and platinum armors getting Sybilla (Who I only got very recently) and some of my base units like Iris and Elanie to a decent lvl and maxing Bashira to 50cc70 to take this mission on. But hopefully this quick bulk lvl will put me in a good spot for future events.

Just gotta get the 10,000 kill count and I will be set. So far have gotten 2 silvers off this event, Alissa and Lauren.

Still no silver+ units for me, and that includes coming in with 4 CP, and getting 8 from my stamp card yesterday...SP gatcha hates me. (5.7k kills btw, but running Dailies today, and event start tomorrow, so I will finish the rest later on)

Jay Rich
05-25-2016, 02:32 AM
Just got Monica (gold unit) from the SP summons. There goes all my good luck for any future summons lol.

I would have to say those SP crystals have been worth it from this event.

switch
05-25-2016, 02:56 AM
They are good if you get silver or better but when you get iron.. feels like a huge waste of time ahaha

Masterwolf
05-25-2016, 03:04 AM
Kinda loving this event. Just did the 400 kill level. Been a bit slow at it since I have lots of time and I am using it to figure out strats on my own. Haven't used any video guides and it's really helped with learning more about my units. If for some reason the end of the event gets close and I haven't beaten the 500 level I will resort to the videos but for now I am so using this as a learning experience and it is working great at eating my excess charisma since I only usually get to play once a day. Learning to deal with the Liches is the biggest thing. After this I should be able to finally 3* Immortal Beast. I have the units it's the timing and placement I need to work on. When I can do it on my own and see the why it makes the video guides so much easier.

Jay Rich
05-25-2016, 03:12 AM
They are good if you get silver or better but when you get iron.. feels like a huge waste of time ahaha

Before this event all I ever seem to get out of it was iron units, so I am enjoying it while it lasts but with this luck I am sure my SC Premium Summons now will go bad.


Kinda loving this event. Just did the 400 kill level. Been a bit slow at it since I have lots of time and I am using it to figure out strats on my own. Haven't used any video guides and it's really helped with learning more about my units. If for some reason the end of the event gets close and I haven't beaten the 500 level I will resort to the videos but for now I am so using this as a learning experience and it is working great at eating my excess charisma since I only usually get to play once a day. Learning to deal with the Liches is the biggest thing. After this I should be able to finally 3* Immortal Beast. I have the units it's the timing and placement I need to work on. When I can do it on my own and see the why it makes the video guides so much easier.

I did that for my first play through of each level but looked up guides once I hit snags. (Most of my units are still low level so I needed guides to see what units I should level as I only started playing 2 months ago roughly).

Best of luck with you developing strategies.

Masterwolf
05-25-2016, 04:04 AM
Before this event all I ever seem to get out of it was iron units, so I am enjoying it while it lasts but with this luck I am sure my SC Premium Summons now will go bad.



I did that for my first play through of each level but looked up guides once I hit snags. (Most of my units are still low level so I needed guides to see what units I should level as I only started playing 2 months ago roughly).

Best of luck with you developing strategies.

I did the same for the most part. But this one being a month long lets me experiment more than most events so I am using it to learn as much as I can.
Just got 2* on the 55/7 map and I know what I did wrong. Should be able to 3* it tomorrow.

YoxalLoyal
05-27-2016, 09:20 AM
Finished getting 10K kills at last. Dumped all my SP crystals and got all silvers. 1 healer, 1 archer, 2 rogues, 1 heavy, and 1 bandit. Pretty good I guess. Least I won't have to complain about having few rogues now.

King Dong
05-27-2016, 06:01 PM
Finished getting 10K kills at last. Dumped all my SP crystals and got all silvers. 1 healer, 1 archer, 2 rogues, 1 heavy, and 1 bandit. Pretty good I guess. Least I won't have to complain about having few rogues now.

You got 6 silvers from the SP summons from this? Unreal! I have gotten ZERO and I hit 10k on one account and 5.7k on the other.

YoxalLoyal
05-27-2016, 07:37 PM
You got 6 silvers from the SP summons from this? Unreal! I have gotten ZERO and I hit 10k on one account and 5.7k on the other.

Out of curiosity, how much SP crystals did you save up? I had a grand total of 103 when I went in to do the SP summons. Usually, you would want to save up to 100 SP crystals before doing SP summons for better results, at least from what I've heard. But in the end, it's all luck-based gacha.

As for my other account at DMM...
It was luckier. Verotte, silver dragon warrior, Calliope, Eunice, Sharon (silver bishop), Daniela, and a gold thief. XD

Jay Rich
05-27-2016, 09:09 PM
Out of curiosity, how much SP crystals did you save up? I had a grand total of 103 when I went in to do the SP summons. Usually, you would want to save up to 100 SP crystals before doing SP summons for better results, at least from what I've heard. But in the end, it's all luck-based gacha.

As for my other account at DMM...
It was luckier. Verotte, silver dragon warrior, Calliope, Eunice, Sharon (silver bishop), Daniela, and a gold thief. XD

I haven't done too badly either with this events SP crystals. Managed to score 4 silvers (Alissa, Lauren, Phyllis and Barrad) and 1 gold unit (Monica). Still not at 10000 kills yet but getting close. I hope for at least one more silver, another healer or mage would be great.

King Dong
05-27-2016, 09:56 PM
Out of curiosity, how much SP crystals did you save up? I had a grand total of 103 when I went in to do the SP summons. Usually, you would want to save up to 100 SP crystals before doing SP summons for better results, at least from what I've heard. But in the end, it's all luck-based gacha.

As for my other account at DMM...
It was luckier. Verotte, silver dragon warrior, Calliope, Eunice, Sharon (silver bishop), Daniela, and a gold thief. XD

Why would saving them up matter? Just wondering, because I used them 5 at a time, and the results were obviously poor. I didn't save, but I did a total of 20 between the two accounts and have gotten 0 siilver+'s. (In fact my free daily 2k summon and the like 5 SP summons I got before this even only ever netted me 2 silvers a Leeanne and a Valerie) As you can see I have REALLY bad luck with RNG things hence my apprehension to do gatchas.

Unregistered
05-28-2016, 04:32 AM
well, i guess i was lucky i got black rouge and gold monk

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It's just superstition Dong. Random is random, just keep using them as you acquire them. 100 Crystal pieces is 20 rolls, and on average would net you just over 4 silver or better units. The chance of getting exactly a silver from SP summon is very close to chance of Plat Armor from Armor Daily H on Monday for comparison. In three months of using all resources for Monday daily, I've gotten some 0 and 1 days and even got 2 once, except for one random day I got 6. Keep in mind that's without using SC, over half my runs that day dropped plat armor. Run good happens, I'm sure your luck will catch up eventually.

King Dong
05-28-2016, 05:57 AM
well, i guess i was lucky i got black rouge and gold monk

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It's just superstition Dong. Random is random, just keep using them as you acquire them. 100 Crystal pieces is 20 rolls, and on average would net you just over 4 silver or better units. The chance of getting exactly a silver from SP summon is very close to chance of Plat Armor from Armor Daily H on Monday for comparison. In three months of using all resources for Monday daily, I've gotten some 0 and 1 days and even got 2 once, except for one random day I got 6. Keep in mind that's without using SC, over half my runs that day dropped plat armor. Run good happens, I'm sure your luck will catch up eventually.

Yeah, I run two accounts and Monday Dailies are quite fickle. I have gotten at least twice as many on my first account as my second (really wish it was the other way around) which has lead to one account sitting btw 800k-1.2mill most the time, and the other is lucky to have 250k on mondays after dailies. :( Anyways, yeah I'm gonna just keep rolling them as I get them and expecting nothing (300-500 gold from selling the unit) as I have been receiving.

EDIT: BTW today is the Piece of Crystal day on my stamp card. I got 10 for two more rolls...two more irons as expected. ;(

EDIT 2: lol! Only had one roll on my second account...I got Jerome. Nice!

switch
05-28-2016, 07:08 AM
Lvl him up and awaken asap :) his up speeds shit all over katies

Tenhou
05-28-2016, 08:48 AM
SP summons are rather evil. First time they became available i did a fair few resulting in a plat, a gold and some silvers. Nowadays i barely ever get anything from them.

lolix
05-28-2016, 09:00 AM
never got a plat , but i got like 3 golds , my latest being a yuyu. The other were kerry and condrad i believe. Not that useful summons (except yuyu. ițm happy i got her ) , but i did got a fair number of silvers , so im okay with them

switch
05-28-2016, 10:15 AM
Just did 7 summons n got 3 silvers not that I needed any of them aha

YoxalLoyal
05-28-2016, 10:33 AM
Only drew one plat once...and it was Cypria. What a letdown that was. And for some strange reason, I keep pulling male gold units from SP summons. XD Got like 2 Vincents from SP summons alone.

Unregistered
05-28-2016, 11:09 AM
In about 3 months of play, have got 3 gold units from SP summons, pretty good luck, but they were all Julian.

scrubp
05-28-2016, 05:29 PM
6 summons and they've all been Iron/Bronze units

pls kill me

switch
05-29-2016, 01:16 AM
ive gotten 2 golds i think and ive done alot of sp summons as i have legend card so i think its 20 summons a month

IneZwei
05-31-2016, 05:54 PM
Im not sure if this was already asked but does summoning base units by using the spirit crystals still have an increased chance of getting silver or higher units, when the spectral march mission began I would get silvers and golds one after another, now I only get iron and Bronze units. I just wanted to know if the better odds for a silver or higher was still in effect.

lolix
05-31-2016, 06:44 PM
finished it on both accounts. Outside of the yuyu on 1 of them , and a oouple silvers , i got jack squat. I hate aigis

ZeroZet
05-31-2016, 09:37 PM
Im not sure if this was already asked but does summoning base units by using the spirit crystals still have an increased chance of getting silver or higher units, when the spectral march mission began I would get silvers and golds one after another, now I only get iron and Bronze units. I just wanted to know if the better odds for a silver or higher was still in effect.It is forever there. SP summon always have higher chance than Base summon. But they are not THAT high to protect from streaks of bad luck anyway.

namhoang909
05-31-2016, 11:51 PM
i am wondering if SU by rainbow spirit is 100% or below that?, i have so many black (>10) and rainbow spirit (about 10) yet have non black unit to use for

switch
06-01-2016, 12:15 AM
The first time is 100% same as with a unit of the same name. Then it's 75% going down to 25% at skill lvl 4-5 I think

King Dong
06-01-2016, 06:09 AM
I officially finished 500 and 10k kills on both accounts. I ended up get exactly 1 Silver+ unit between both accounts including 3-4 extra rolls from stamp card crystal pieces. Admittedly it was Jerome which is an excellent unit. So bad luck only getting one good luck getting a great unit. All in all I liked the event. Looking forward to the next subjugation event.

slyyr
06-02-2016, 04:19 AM
What a grind that was! Got the last 4k I needed today to finish it.

Had enough for 4 more rolls... iron, bronze, bronze, PLATINUM! (Dahlia)

Best Valk I had before was Elaine so thats an awesome pickup for me. Worth it! :D

namhoang909
06-03-2016, 01:03 AM
The first time is 100% same as with a unit of the same name. Then it's 75% going down to 25% at skill lvl 4-5 I think

so the effect will base on skill lv? like i have bandit 9/10 from event, her chance to SU even for first time with rainbow spirit is less then 25%?

switch
06-03-2016, 01:21 AM
yes its based on skill lvl

Buster Wolf
06-07-2016, 05:40 PM
Finished the 10K kills and figured to try the 80 piece of crystals I had

10 Iron
5 Bronze
1 Silver (Soma)

Nero010
06-07-2016, 11:45 PM
Finished the 10K kills and figured to try the 80 piece of crystals I had

10 Iron
5 Bronze
1 Silver (Soma)

An Silver Archer... thats what im hoping for when trying on mine

Ericridge
06-08-2016, 12:19 AM
What a grind that was! Got the last 4k I needed today to finish it.

Had enough for 4 more rolls... iron, bronze, bronze, PLATINUM! (Dahlia)

Best Valk I had before was Elaine so thats an awesome pickup for me. Worth it! :D

Wait what, Pieces of Crystal can give units better than silver?

soranokira
06-08-2016, 12:35 AM
Wait what, Pieces of Crystal can give units better than silver?

base summon (2k gold gacha) can as well, just that the probability is really low.

switch
06-08-2016, 12:54 AM
I got bernice on my alt. But no silvers. Even cc her ehh

ZeroZet
06-08-2016, 10:56 AM
Robert. Twice.

Ericridge
06-08-2016, 03:57 PM
base summon (2k gold gacha) can as well, just that the probability is really low.

Didn't know that.

Nero010
06-08-2016, 10:11 PM
Didn't know that.

Dont expect it to happen though, ull be disappointed very likely. I would be better off not knowing its even possible and just get suprised one nice day.
I dont want to hear storys of guys who pulled blacks from free daily summon T.T

switch
06-08-2016, 11:28 PM
anyone who says they pulled a black from base im pretty sure is just lying.

Grimmiq
06-08-2016, 11:36 PM
anyone who says they pulled a black from base im pretty sure is just lying.

I got one last week, then proceeded to waste another 600k on it and didn't even get a gold.

lolix
06-08-2016, 11:37 PM
anyone who says they pulled a black from base im pretty sure is just lying.

tenhou got a plat if i remember corectly. The chances are there , and considering the milions of pulls the entire playerbase does daily , i believe it is possible that some people got a black from 2k.

Also , why would someone lie ? Saying that u got a blac kwhen u didn't doesn't help you in any way in this game. Maybe just to make someone jealous , but it seems rather petty

Buster Wolf
06-08-2016, 11:41 PM
anyone who says they pulled a black from base im pretty sure is just lying.

It can happen. I remember someone trying to get Iron Bandit, but managed to get Nanaly (I got Bernice when I was trying to get an Iron Archer when I was low on Charisma).

It's how I got my Lyla during Solano's event.

switch
06-08-2016, 11:59 PM
I know plats but can be pulled but blacks.. got more chance of winning the lotto lol

solitarydragon97
06-09-2016, 12:33 AM
I got Zola and Yuyu from those Pieces of Crystal from Spectral March. So... worth it!!!

Ericridge
06-09-2016, 01:48 AM
Well its nice to know that subjugation maps isn't totally bogus after all. Its just currently pointless at my current level. lol Can't get 300 kills in a single map for the event girl.

nip101
06-09-2016, 01:56 AM
You can definitely get blacks from the 2k summon, got a nanally when I was dropping like 600k. I've gotten better stuff from 2k summons then the crystals I've spent over the last year or so >.<

Talith
06-09-2016, 10:11 AM
Best I've gotten from the SBU was Cuterie. I've gotten Monica and Kerry out of the SBU:SP.

Nero010
06-09-2016, 06:44 PM
I got one single silver from daily summon until now and that was phyllis, nothing better ever. BUT i have to say i play since 3 months and havent spend much gold on base summons yet. Levling takes too much of my gold.
Funny thing is same goes for base summon SP, one silver being phyllis... i think i will just go to aegis and try the 105 SP i have and then come back and add into this post what i got...
*plays waiting music*

so i got...
7 iron
12 bronze
and calliope & pallis the magical girls silver duo

Pretty much exactly what i expected, no suprises. Hoped to pull a silver archer so i can cc Spica, guess u have to wait another month ma dear.
This is actualy my first Pallis which is sad cause i just leveled my Valerie to 50cc50 but shes more used and i guess thats for her higher damage output. Guess ill level her and see if i can cc and max her. Have no better mages but Cyrus anyways.

Talith
06-09-2016, 07:08 PM
It would be nice to see an account's lifelong statistics. Just to get an idea of where all your resources have gone exactly. I think I've got around 1.75M spent on the daily summon and only getting one gold out of it feels like a really sad RoI.

Overload
06-10-2016, 02:34 AM
It would be nice to see an account's lifelong statistics. Just to get an idea of where all your resources have gone exactly. I think I've got around 1.75M spent on the daily summon and only getting one gold out of it feels like a really sad RoI.

lolix made such a thread, it was this one http://harem-battle.club/millennium-war-aigis/245-100-2k-summons.html
You could use its numbers and make a new thread.

Sincronic
06-10-2016, 03:43 AM
These numbers are aproximate but:
1 plat, 20-30 silvers, tons of iron/bronze units (i would estimate around 2000)
0 gold units however

Plat was Sherry :)

King Dong
06-10-2016, 05:32 AM
I got one single silver from daily summon until now and that was phyllis, nothing better ever. BUT i have to say i play since 3 months and havent spend much gold on base summons yet. Levling takes too much of my gold.
Funny thing is same goes for base summon SP, one silver being phyllis... i think i will just go to aegis and try the 105 SP i have and then come back and add into this post what i got...
*plays waiting music*

so i got...
7 iron
12 bronze
and calliope & pallis the magical girls silver duo

Pretty much exactly what i expected, no suprises. Hoped to pull a silver archer so i can cc Spica, guess u have to wait another month ma dear.
This is actualy my first Pallis which is sad cause i just leveled my Valerie to 50cc50 but shes more used and i guess thats for her higher damage output. Guess ill level her and see if i can cc and max her. Have no better mages but Cyrus anyways.

Valerie is a male unit. Pallis is female and thus easier to get affection items for. Also, he skill is a Damage increase while Valeries is just an AoE increase. I'm looking forward to getting Pallis personally.

chaos
06-12-2016, 04:09 AM
when will next event come? it has been two weeks i guess

Jay Rich
06-12-2016, 04:17 AM
Depends what the devs have planned whether or not this is going to be a big break period or not though I don't know why. If we do get one it will be when the spectral march ends in a couple of days, or we could get nothing at all again.

Overload
06-12-2016, 06:21 AM
The devs gave us a two week break, so we have "enough" time to finish spectral march... At least I think that is the case.

switch
06-12-2016, 06:57 AM
Got yuyu on the last summon gg

Jay Rich
06-12-2016, 07:14 AM
The devs gave us a two week break, so we have "enough" time to finish spectral march... At least I think that is the case.

One would hope although it wasn't like we needed that extra time to get it done.


Got yuyu on the last summon gg

Congratz!

Overload
06-12-2016, 07:21 AM
One would hope although it wasn't like we needed that extra time to get it done.

But we talk about japanese devs, they think everyone outside of Asia is bad at games :p

switch
06-12-2016, 08:04 AM
And yet tsm smashed them in league gg thought this was 2016

Tenhou
06-12-2016, 08:27 AM
A whole 2 extra weeks to finish it!

...too bad it took me 2 days or less, 3 weeks ago.

switch
06-12-2016, 09:09 AM
I just dragged it out cause I could aha. Could of finished it in a week if needed to

YoxalLoyal
06-12-2016, 09:44 AM
I finished it one week in because I thought we wouldn't have time to do it due to other events. I was gravely mistaken. :(

Talith
06-12-2016, 10:41 AM
Since we still don't have weekend dailies the Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday of the first week was enough time for a lot of people to clear it.

ZeroZet
06-12-2016, 02:02 PM
About next week: two things to remember.
1) Our schedule is "Event - Break"
2) Spectral March is an event (just look at Nutaku's main page)

1 + 2 = ... ;)

Nero010
06-12-2016, 05:14 PM
About next week: two things to remember.
1) Our schedule is "Event - Break"
2) Spectral March is an event (just look at Nutaku's main page)

1 + 2 = ... ;)

Spectral march doesnt count as event though, it went at the same time as the last event. Two events never go at the same time.

Tenhou
06-12-2016, 05:37 PM
Yeah, it's a sub event that is rather unimportant.

Unregistered
06-12-2016, 08:33 PM
About next week: two things to remember.
1) Our schedule is "Event - Break"
2) Spectral March is an event (just look at Nutaku's main page)

1 + 2 = ... ;)
Now that's something to fear :((

Jay Rich
06-12-2016, 09:28 PM
Indeed, I will admit I am getting some good leveling done in this time but would love to have another event to chip away at.

ZeroZet
06-13-2016, 02:43 AM
About next week: two things to remember.
1) Our schedule is "Event - Break"
2) Spectral March is an event (just look at Nutaku's main page)

1 + 2 = ... ;)

Called it (http://assets.millennium-war.com/00/html/cal.htm)


-----------------------------------
Maintenance Details
-----------------------------------
Limited Time Event
- The Total Domination Mission "Spectral March" ends
- The Item Drop Rate for Daily Missions is x1.5 begins
- The Item Drop Rate for Awakening Orb is x2 begins
*The Item Drop Rate is available until maintenance begins on June 21(Tue).
- Basic EXP x3 for Gold or higher female units
(This excludes event-exclusive units.
Only basic EXP will increase; levels will not increase.
EXP will return to normal after the maintenance scheduled
for June 21, 2016 (Tue) 3AM. )

Other Changes
- The Summon Rate for Gold and Platinum female units is increased

Jay Rich
06-13-2016, 03:23 AM
Called it (http://assets.millennium-war.com/00/html/cal.htm)


-----------------------------------
Maintenance Details
-----------------------------------
Limited Time Event
- The Total Domination Mission "Spectral March" ends
- The Item Drop Rate for Daily Missions is x1.5 begins
- The Item Drop Rate for Awakening Orb is x2 begins
*The Item Drop Rate is available until maintenance begins on June 21(Tue).
- Basic EXP x3 for Gold or higher female units
(This excludes event-exclusive units.
Only basic EXP will increase; levels will not increase.
EXP will return to normal after the maintenance scheduled
for June 21, 2016 (Tue) 3AM. )

Other Changes
- The Summon Rate for Gold and Platinum female units is increased


Let the daily farming event begin!!!!

I guess it beats another week or nearly nothing. I think I will commit a little more to the dailies and orb missions this week.

Asdf1
06-13-2016, 03:45 AM
Called it (http://assets.millennium-war.com/00/html/cal.htm)


-----------------------------------
Maintenance Details
-----------------------------------
Limited Time Event
- The Total Domination Mission "Spectral March" ends
- The Item Drop Rate for Daily Missions is x1.5 begins
- The Item Drop Rate for Awakening Orb is x2 begins
*The Item Drop Rate is available until maintenance begins on June 21(Tue).
- Basic EXP x3 for Gold or higher female units
(This excludes event-exclusive units.
Only basic EXP will increase; levels will not increase.
EXP will return to normal after the maintenance scheduled
for June 21, 2016 (Tue) 3AM. )

Other Changes
- The Summon Rate for Gold and Platinum female units is increased


Why did you have to be right T_T

ZeroZet
06-13-2016, 04:41 AM
Well, if you look at boosted drop rates as an event... Meh, still dailies farming all in all.

Just, let's pray devs won't see it as an event XD

tidus
06-13-2016, 06:19 AM
man with all this good event in a row feel like they want to make us quit this game...

Jay Rich
06-13-2016, 06:39 AM
Well, if you look at boosted drop rates as an event... Meh, still dailies farming all in all.

Just, let's pray devs won't see it as an event XD

I so hope they don't..... I wonder if a big update is coming thus why it is taking so long to give us our next event? Or is that being to hopeful?

chaos
06-13-2016, 08:29 AM
so it means no event to get units this week,right guys? but if they want to summon some events i prefer revival event

Nero010
06-13-2016, 09:58 AM
Called it (http://assets.millennium-war.com/00/html/cal.htm)


-----------------------------------
Maintenance Details
-----------------------------------
Limited Time Event
- The Total Domination Mission "Spectral March" ends
- The Item Drop Rate for Daily Missions is x1.5 begins
- The Item Drop Rate for Awakening Orb is x2 begins
*The Item Drop Rate is available until maintenance begins on June 21(Tue).
- Basic EXP x3 for Gold or higher female units
(This excludes event-exclusive units.
Only basic EXP will increase; levels will not increase.
EXP will return to normal after the maintenance scheduled
for June 21, 2016 (Tue) 3AM. )

Other Changes
- The Summon Rate for Gold and Platinum female units is increased


That sounds like the Anniversial on DMM where they got those "boosts". Hit me if im wrong. But we never got this right? Now we at least did lol.

Tenhou
06-13-2016, 10:40 AM
It's a standard event they have once every 1-2 months. The event tends to not be after a 2 week break though. Oh, silly me, DMM doesn't have 2 weeks with no events.