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Lafate
11-03-2015, 07:34 AM
Alright boys and girls, finally the star event you are looking for and the final event before awakening(Well at least it was for our JP brethren). This event has me excited due to the rumors I've heard about it difficulty so let's just hope it lives up to that hype as the hardest event pre-awakening. Then it introducing a very very nice class and the next 'oppai loli' as some have dubbed it. Well let's get on with this.

ETA: 11/04/2015

Rewards

https://gyazo.com/99335d50ae3181e90ef139f4b8af0f39.png
http://i.gyazo.com/199d976ac29b14c7ec60e902a6f13221.png
Introducing double loli! However, I don't know if we are actually going to get the loli loli... hmm.... It would be a good sign if we did... lolis crawling all over this event.

15☆: Cat Witch Nenya joins the harem.
18☆: Summoner Solano joins the harem.
19☆: Solano's initial level becomes 10
20☆: Solano's initial level becomes 20
21☆: Solano's cost is reduced by 1 (-1)
22☆: Solano's initial level becomes 25
23☆: Solano's skill is increased by a level (2/5)
24☆: Solano's cost is reduced by 1 (-2)
25☆: Solano's initial level becomes 30
26☆: Solano's skill is increased by a level (3/5)
27☆: Solano's cost is reduced by 1 (-3)
28☆: Solano's initial level becomes 35
29☆: Solano's skill is increased by a level (4/5)
30☆: Solano's cost is reduced by 1 (-4)
31☆: Solano's skill is increased by a level (5/5)
32☆: Solano's cost is reduced by 1 (-5)

Extra Rewards
Clear Mission One: Beer
Clear Mission Two: Bouquet
Clear Mission Three: Table Wine
Clear Mission Four: Crystal
Clear Mission Five: Choice Sake
Clear Mission Six: Ruby
Clear Mission Seven: Spirit of Platinum
Clear Mission Eight: Spirit of Rainbow
Clear Mission Nine: Millennium Wine
Clear Mission Ten: Diamond
Clear Mission Eleven: Spirit of Black
Clear Mission Twelve: Spirit of Rainbow


Noted enemy stats

Living Axe Armor (gold)
http://i.gyazo.com/a7764f6d47f13ba2a30cbd01f3589011.png
Attack type: Physical Melee
HP: 2016 (Crossroads of Destiny), 2240 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
Atk: 576 (Crossroads of Destiny), 640 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
Def: 1800 (Crossroads of Destiny), 3000 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
MR: 0

Living Axe Armor (Black)
http://i.gyazo.com/3702ff2c4f6950535df8fa21dc16acad.png
Attack type: Physical Melee
HP: 7200 (Crossroads of Destiny)
Atk: 630 (Crossroads of Destiny)
Def: 3000 (Crossroads of Destiny)
MR: 0

Ifrit
http://i.gyazo.com/7e3d815b8b6a06d4b926850f9a61947e.png
Attack type: Magical Range
HP: 22500 (Flame Beast), 25000 (Flame Beast X)
Atk: 300
Def: 300
MR: 0

Goblin Archer (black)
http://i.gyazo.com/e98924b72ca0499e6b21e04084edc141.png
Attack type: Physical Range
HP: 1800 (Crossroads of Destiny X), 1800 (Flame Beast X)
Atk: 450
Def: 50
MR: 0

Cyclops (green)
http://i.gyazo.com/ae14dadf52440f88d14c64f782c43b9b.png
Attack type: Physical Melee
HP: 4800 (Summoner), 5400 (Dark Cavern), 5400 (Holy Underground Fountain), 6000 (Holy Underground Fountain X), 4800 (Invasion of Tsuyooni), 6000 (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 6000 (Flame Beast X)
Atk: 800 (Summoner), 900 (Dark Cavern), 900 (Holy Underground Fountain), 1000 (Holy Underground Fountain X), 800 (Invasion of Tsuyooni), 1000 (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 1000 (Flame Beast X)
Def: 100
MR: 0

Cyclops (red)
http://i.gyazo.com/05d48e9a75646a1eab30a346fd89c678.png
Attack type: Physical Melee
HP:10800 (Dark Cavern), 10800 (Holy Underground Fountain), 12000 (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 12000 (Flame Beast X)
Atk:1350 (Dark Cavern), 1350 (Holy Underground Fountain), 1500 (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 1500 (Flame Beast X)
Def: 200
MR: 0

Cyclops (black)
http://i.gyazo.com/d71d2cd9c328eb97108cc6a3fa889bf6.png
Attack type: Physical Melee
HP:20000 (Holy Underground Fountain X), 16000 (Invasion of Tsuyooni), 20000/23000 during skill (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 20000/23000 during skill (Flame Beast X)
Atk: 2000 (Holy Underground Fountain X), 1600 (Invasion of Tsuyooni), 2000/2500 during skill (Invasion of Tsuyooni X), 2000/2500 during skill (Flame Beast X)
Def: 300
MR: 0

Lich
http://gyazo.com/6232cf87eae4d9ad44a25638133df667.png
Attack type: Magical Range
HP: 13200 (Tomb X), 12000 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
Atk: 500 (Tomb X), 700 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
Def: 300 (Tomb X), 5000 (Crossroads of Destiny X)
MR: 0


Maps

Summoner

Charisma: 20
Stamina: 1
Experience: 120
Gold at 3☆: 1050
Initial Unit Points: 10
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 8
Number of Enemies: 36
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zDdGQIVIJk
Drops:http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/l8NKuYx.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/kRu65F.png


Dark Cavern

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 1
Experience: 150
Gold at 3☆: 1200
Initial Unit Points: 10
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 8
Number of Enemies: 32
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBiLU0S8GE
Drops: http://i.gyazo.com/5486b7172f291c39d2a6413052f0fdf7.pnghttp://gyazo.com/15f4c617c3c777db9648755ab98c8c7b.png(two drops)http://gyazo.com/6d2eea34a101efc7a8f8404fe7778646.png


Holy Underground Fountain

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 3
Experience: 200
Gold at 3☆: 2250
Initial Unit Points: 20
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 9
Number of Enemies: 21
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoovazTyjk
Alt Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lNhsKU65l8)
Drops:http://i.gyazo.com/fa756d6cc2114375543744b76732054b.png(two drops)http://i.gyazo.com/7621a1fab4485ab85c08c4b357c9a40f.pnghttp://i.gyazo.com/22bd3640c0a2a91f5b997c7e432548cc.pnghttp://gyazo.com/754f28fbb11cf9e8055bbf830923eab6.png


Holy Underground Fountain X

Charisma: 60
Stamina: 5
Experience: 300
Gold at 3☆: 3000
Initial Unit Points: 30
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 31
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladVKXn9iRc
Drops: http://i.gyazo.com/7621a1fab4485ab85c08c4b357c9a40f.png(Two Drops)http://i.gyazo.com/22bd3640c0a2a91f5b997c7e432548cc.pnghttp://gyazo.com/754f28fbb11cf9e8055bbf830923eab6.pnghttp://i.gyazo.com/bd8bc477c23180ebb3bcf0dd2686f5ea.png


Dark Tomb

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 3
Experience: 200
Gold at 3☆: 2250
Initial Unit Points: 40
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 9
Number of Enemies: 57
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHiCTGrDxjs
Drops:http://gyazo.com/01a57d7d02378d38f6b8d0dbde835b57.pnghttp://gyazo.com/8a54a0a8ac372f0e8a89921abbb2f3c7.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/sFWY0ZBG.png(Three Drops)


Dark Tomb X

Charisma: 60
Stamina: 5
Experience: 300
Gold at 3☆: 3000
Initial Unit Points: 40
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 10
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZPUay5rWDE
Alt Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY5a1nVjiCk)
Drops:http://i.imgur.com/hgIdwME.png(Two Drops)http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/OM4buQs.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/JyZHAKRa.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/ZGTcSRFX.png


Invasion of Tsuyooni

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 3
Experience: 200
Gold at 3☆: 2250
Initial Unit Points: 20
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 9
Number of Enemies: 30
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArkzC8Gq8Z8
Drops:http://i.gyazo.com/4d74e9e5efdebb5a52caca572d3962ae.pnghttp://gyazo.com/5cdbc225c4a5832c2f60aa7f43f73df8.pnghttp://gyazo.com/43550d8d4989810f31662e6b1c23b814.pnghttp://gyazo.com/22948aea85ce5d002f1f19433cc721d2.png


Invasion of Tsuyooni X

Charisma: 60
Stamina: 5
Experience: 300
Gold at 3☆: 3000
Initial Unit Points: 20
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 56
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbCsRL8vkfw
Three Star Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wInoI0FdBmE)
Drops:http://i.imgur.com/hgIdwME.png(Two Drops)http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/kRu65F.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/g6zLwVCtn.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/63aFCYtvkT.png


Crossroads of Destiny

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 3
Experience: 200
Gold at 3☆: 2250
Initial Unit Points: 20
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 9
Number of Enemies: 34
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciciG7ihehQ
Drops:http://i.gyazo.com/1e043dc11192c0d4484dd555fee3aed7.png(Three Drops)http://gyazo.com/5cdbc225c4a5832c2f60aa7f43f73df8.png


Crossroads of Destiny X

Charisma: 60
Stamina: 5
Experience: 300
Gold at 3☆: 3000
Initial Unit Points: 20
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 63
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG_t4Jmz6T0
Drops:http://i.gyazo.com/1e043dc11192c0d4484dd555fee3aed7.png(Four Drops)http://gyazo.com/5cdbc225c4a5832c2f60aa7f43f73df8.png


Flame Beast

Charisma: 50
Stamina: 3
Experience: 200
Gold at 3☆: 2250
Initial Unit Points: 30
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 32
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPjrAqCTzBc
Alt Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4vE40r-kfQ)
Drops:http://gyazo.com/b1f9ce1a76802c52f5cc2caf59abb97c.pnghttp://gyazo.com/05992bd6ac72085401ad766fae796c81.pnghttp://gyazo.com/5cdbc225c4a5832c2f60aa7f43f73df8.png


Flame Beast X

Charisma:60
Stamina: 5
Experience: 300
Gold at 3☆: 3000
Initial Unit Points: 30
Life: 10
Max # of Deployed Units: 10
Number of Enemies: 28
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu4hisqZbgE
Three Star Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRyJeQmbLVA)
Drops:http://i.imgur.com/9cJVmSQ.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/63aFCYtvkT.pnghttp://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/03/ZGTcSRFX.png



Comments about the event

Well... the only advice I can give any of you is.... bend over and pray for it to be done quickly..... what? you still want to fight? Fine! whatever sigh... If you really must do this magic damage, magic resistance, and defense are going to be your friend. More so magic damage and magic resistance. I'm pretty sure even Gellius would be two shot against some of those ogres. I've seen people with multiple black units look like they had a tough time three staring the final map, and even the beloved Nasu was only able to two star the last and fourth to last map with common units that would be available to most people.

The only solace I can give you is that a perfect Solano is only 32 stars while there are 36 total. Meaning you can get by 1 starring two maps if you three star the rest.


Spotlight Units

http://gyazo.com/c47f7e3f3ec6f3195d7fec59e65c438f.pnghttp://gyazo.com/8a25a5085803fe9ac4945a29a74dfae3.pnghttp://i.gyazo.com/9aba1ee76ac9cffda6b9f8c0c8a28635.pnghttp://i.gyazo.com/d04c376fd6ed54c4b19ac759e7b032e9.png

Like I mentioned before lolis all over this event.... Sure enough the black spotlight will be changed and maybe the gold one as well... Though I believe she is dwarf so who knows.


New Characters Arriving

Note: This is based off of current JP version stats. We may not get the same if we get a previous version of the units, but they will eventually get to this point.

Summoner Solano

https://i.gyazo.com/e2fff9b27a8d8dfe320d9bd101afcb0a.png
HP: 1257 (1330 Awakened)
Atk: 647 (986 Awakened)
Def: 99 (117 Awakened)
MR: 0
Range: 230 (240 Awakened)
Cost: 15 (18 Awakened)
Skill: She calls her summon Ifrit to attack for 30 second. 10 second WT, 20 second CT
Ability: -
Awakened Skill: She calls her summon Ifrit to attack for 25 second. Ifrit now ignores MR. 10 second WT, 20 second CT.
Awakened Ability: Attack Speed Increase.


Cat Witch Nenya

http://gyazo.com/74d58905783f21dc4803da9f90709a14.png
HP: 897
Atk: 367
Def: 70
MR: 10
Range: 210
Cost: 9
Skill: She increase her attack power by 30% and range by 10% for 60 seconds. 60 second WT, 60 second CT.
Ability: -


Saint Iris

http://gyazo.com/337620ab0973b7718da92742b963b253.png
HP: 1560 (1950 Awakened)
Atk: 592 (648 Awakened)
Def: 156 (195 Awakened)
MR: 0
Range: 260
Cost: 19
Skill: She increase the defense of all allies within range of her by 100% for 60 seconds. 1 second WT, 85 second CT.
Ability: -
Awakened Skill: She increase the attack power(by 40%) and defense(by 150%) of all allies within range of her for 80 seconds. This skill is usable only once during battle. 5 second WT.
Awakened Ability: Just by being on the team, she increase the defense of all allies by 7%.


Dwarf Dorothy(OT: Earth Fairy Dorothy/Land Fairy Dorothy)

https://i.gyazo.com/2bdfefa4e0f7823237f0cdd6c03b2d41.png
HP: 1738 (2649 Awakened)
Atk: 510 (608 Awakened)
Def: 271 (326 Awakened)
MR: 0
Block: 1
Cost: 15
Skill: Once she hits 0 HP she immediately recovers 50% of her maximum health. 56.7 second WT, 85 second CT
Ability: -
Awakened Skill: -
Awakened Ability: She has a 20% chance to hit as if she had 80% more attack power.



New Classes Being Introduced


Summoner/Master Summoner

Damage Type: Magical
Blocks: -
Role: Rear
Description: Units of this class are similar to that of the Angel class. They will stand around and do nothing unless their skill is activated. However, once activated they will attack everyone within their range. They can be considered one the highest damage per second classes while their skill is activated.
http://embed.gyazo.com/0cbd96c92e8b4410efa5ef5c9367a07f.pnghttp://i.gyazo.com/909abcacdd814f9321be6c7fdd2696e4.png

soranokira
11-03-2015, 08:47 AM
I am ready to die! but at least it looks like some of the maps are decent temporary replacements for the dailies e.g. fairy farming map for non-fairy daily. depending on user needs Phalanx 2 might be better though :3

Tenhou
11-03-2015, 09:36 AM
Finally some maps that sound like they'll be difficult. Hope they do not disappoint me :D

Wonder if we'll get all the lolis or just Solano...

Unregistered
11-03-2015, 11:33 AM
I hate this game, why so fast?

Aeghas
11-03-2015, 12:39 PM
I hate this game, why so fast?

if you hate it, then don't play it. Pretty simple.

That being said, while I agree the events being back to back is a little tedious if it continues; I can't complain about this event considering there are maps that drop fairies, affection items and experience units. I would also say to consider that this isn't a farm event so you just have to beat the maps and you can wash your hands of it and go about your business as if the event wasn't happening anymore.

Blaxer
11-03-2015, 09:11 PM
This is the event i was waiting for, nice way to start!

Scanned the map rewards
No witches again
Well fuck my life

I still can't CC my shiho because i lack witches, maybe you've heard of me *cries on a corner*

nikonana
11-03-2015, 09:17 PM
Any info about the item drop rates?

soranokira
11-03-2015, 09:26 PM
This is the event i was waiting for, nice way to start!

Scanned the map rewards
No witches again
Well fuck my life

I still can't CC my shiho because i lack witches, maybe you've heard of me *cries on a corner*

On the other hand I can't CC my shiho because I lack mages.

Drop rates: http://millenniumwaraigis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Summon_Beast_in_the_Earth

Lafate
11-03-2015, 10:53 PM
Those numbers look about right, but I would take them with a grain of salt as revival event and original events have different drop rate sometimes.

soranokira
11-04-2015, 12:26 AM
Summary:
1) Summoner - not worth /no reason farming at all.
2) Road to Demon Den - 10% phyllis, if you need silver soldiers. or a mincosted Phyllis. At 50 charisma/1 stamina, horrible map.
3) Underground Holy Fountain - 50C/3S, potentially decent place to farm silver/gold/plat fairies outside of fairy farming daily. (Only applicable if you want the chance of silver and forgo the rubys from Phalanx 2)
4) Underground Holy Fountain X 60C/5S - better quality fairies, but pretty much no reason to farm this one considering the high cost, unless black fairy (15%). but fairy daily probably better overall.
5) Tomb of Darkness 50C/3S - Daniela & Leeanne, silver farming if necessary.
6) Tomb of Darkness X 60C/5S - aff farming map, but not as good as Phalanx 2.
7) Tsuyooni 50C/3S - Only for Elaine, only for Elaine.
8) Tsuyooni X 60C/5S - Male aff items. You must not be serious if you're farming this after we had Heir to Strategist not long ago.
9 & 10) Destiny Road (non-X and X) - Horrible maps, Monday daily way better. and you shouldnt really be needing to farm this for the plat armor, there should be more important stuff to farm. (and if gold, there are better ways)
11) Infernal Beast - 50C/3S - Harissa & Eunice with a chance for plat armor. obviously way better than above.
12) Infernal Beast X - yeah if you can clear this map there's obviously nothing to farm here.

Blaxer
11-04-2015, 06:11 AM
"Witch Calliope will become your ally after the event is completed"

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/04/oiEZn.jpg

saike
11-04-2015, 06:52 AM
i want my cat witch :mad: at first i thought she was just a loli then i actually read it she was a catgirl :( lol

soranokira
11-04-2015, 08:06 AM
"Witch Calliope will become your ally after the event is completed"

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/04/oiEZn.jpg

I'd so rather have Nenya.

PoorTroopers
11-04-2015, 11:24 AM
I need Nenya to pass through War of Magic!

darkeleon
11-04-2015, 12:52 PM
:cool:solano still is cute with big boobs
it been a while since that i have used valkyries to get unit point and rogues to block archers o.O i run out of stamine for now :eek:

Blaxer
11-04-2015, 05:57 PM
I'd so rather have Nenya.

I'm happy because i can finally CC my Shiho, not for Calliope herself :D

soranokira
11-04-2015, 06:40 PM
even so, I'd so rather have Nenya =(

Blaxer
11-04-2015, 07:59 PM
Well i craved the difficulty of an event like this and now i have it, really feels good thinking hard how should i try the same map for the 5th time to 3* at last and yet not be frustrated but excited

currently i can only 2* Mighty Ogres X and now running out of ideas on how to improve, i watched the video posted here on 3*ing it and the issue i'm having is tha lack of nanaly in my team, i can replace every other black with lower tier and still work fine, but with my bashira i'm just not able to kill the black ogres in time and my karma ends up dying because of that

Any ideas? more videos? i'm gonna retry that map once i 3* every other and 2* the last one

CharlesGMD
11-05-2015, 01:38 AM
Phew, that was intense...

456

Blaxer
11-05-2015, 02:42 PM
Phew, that was intense...

456

If that's Flame Beast X i'd love a screen of that team if you don't mind.

CharlesGMD
11-05-2015, 02:56 PM
If that's Flame Beast X i'd love a screen of that team if you don't mind.

Right now I would run second archer over Adele473

Blaxer
11-05-2015, 05:03 PM
Now i'm sitting at a perfect solano with 0* on Flame Beast X (haven't even played it yet) and 2* on Mighty Ogres X, everything else is 3*d
this event felt really good in my opinion, now i'll se how well i do on that last map and move on to farm money on Crossroads X

How are you guys doing?

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2015/11/06/zkEI.png

nikonana
11-05-2015, 07:17 PM
29* so far, choked hard on Crossroad X and Flame Beast X.

I saw Nasu 2* guide for Flame Beast X but his prince didn't use Savior title, does anyone knows what did he use as title? I can't hold the black goblin archer rush with solo prince.

Blaxer
11-05-2015, 07:30 PM
29* so far, choked hard on Crossroad X and Flame Beast X.

I saw Nasu 2* guide for Flame Beast X but his prince didn't use Savior title, does anyone knows what did he use as title? I can't hold the black goblin archer rush with solo prince.
I used hp, that + maxed soma + maxed Alissa and some support at the last of the first rush

nikonana
11-06-2015, 12:06 AM
I used hp, that + maxed soma + maxed Alissa and some support at the last of the first rush

Thanks, managed to 2* it with 1 HP left. Now only Crossroad X left, gonna farm some affection for my Themis.

Xylaph
11-06-2015, 01:01 AM
Flame Beast and the X missions are kicking my ass. That's what I get for joining the game so late.

http://imgur.com/FUXfM5W

^That's my current lineup minus a few silvers(Mages, Archers, Healers). Advice on what I should focus on this next week and a half to try and squeeze out some more stars?

soranokira
11-06-2015, 01:59 AM
Flame Beast and the X missions are kicking my ass. That's what I get for joining the game so late.

http://imgur.com/FUXfM5W

^That's my current lineup minus a few silvers(Mages, Archers, Healers). Advice on what I should focus on this next week and a half to try and squeeze out some more stars?

You know your team's better than mine? and hell I have no blacks.
witches witches witches. you need them almost throughout this map. and no 2nd valk other than Kerry, like a CC'd Elaine? Best to level Iris to 40 if not 50, with as high aff as possible. and hope you have a maxed Alissa.

The only thing I can beat you in is my Hina, and that's one of only 2 non-event plats (the other being Lilia, while you have sherry) I have.

Esdeath
11-06-2015, 12:16 PM
I need an advice. In crossroad X when the empowered lich spawns, in the video he takes out the melee unit and the unit attacks the lich while the skeleton who spawned is behind the lich, but at least to me, the skeleton is a lot faster, and when the lich get in position to be tanked like in the video, the skeleton is totally on the unit spot, so, when i put down the 2 healers they get destroyed by the lich cause he is spamming randomly, am I the only one with this problem?
I looked at another video and he puts the melee a little after, but it attacks another skeleton first, still the lich only attacked the princess, i'll try that way then

lolix
11-06-2015, 04:28 PM
I need an advice. In crossroad X when the empowered lich spawns, in the video he takes out the melee unit and the unit attacks the lich while the skeleton who spawned is behind the lich, but at least to me, the skeleton is a lot faster, and when the lich get in position to be tanked like in the video, the skeleton is totally on the unit spot, so, when i put down the 2 healers they get destroyed by the lich cause he is spamming randomly, am I the only one with this problem?
I looked at another video and he puts the melee a little after, but it attacks another skeleton first, still the lich only attacked the princess, i'll try that way then

lichesattack the last unit placed

Blaxer
11-06-2015, 04:50 PM
I need an advice. In crossroad X when the empowered lich spawns, in the video he takes out the melee unit and the unit attacks the lich while the skeleton who spawned is behind the lich, but at least to me, the skeleton is a lot faster, and when the lich get in position to be tanked like in the video, the skeleton is totally on the unit spot, so, when i put down the 2 healers they get destroyed by the lich cause he is spamming randomly, am I the only one with this problem?
I looked at another video and he puts the melee a little after, but it attacks another skeleton first, still the lich only attacked the princess, i'll try that way then

I have that problem too but my Sybilla just cuts them in half and start to brawl the lich



lichesattack the last unit placed
to be more technical its priority goes:

Unit directly blocking its path > Last unit placed > Last unit placed WITHIN RANGE

Lafate
11-08-2015, 01:28 PM
If you are having problems with skeletons getting to your princess before the lich... don't play anything until the lich is in tanking range then place your princess followed by two healers... Granted I had Karma so I cheated.

Esdeath
11-08-2015, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I did it a few hrs after the post, I started with karma just to be sure, then i placed another unit

Kararra
11-08-2015, 09:19 PM
34☆ and I'm done.

Crossroads X is a pain. As others have said, the skeleton that spawns after the lich can sometimes hug his ass, which makes the entire map difficult as you can no longer gank him and need to use lightning rods.

But when the skeleton spawns further back, the lich goes down like a bitch. So, yeah, the difficulty is really RNG dependent.

Off to farm for Phyllis and Daniela, I guess.

darkeleon
11-09-2015, 07:30 AM
done with mighty ogres x all hail assasinate skill on black ogre:cool: luck but jaja only anya can tank these for me
now focus on flame beast x :eek:

Shadowfae
11-09-2015, 06:17 PM
I made it to 31* so far. 2* on Flame Beast X, 2* on Mighty Ogre X (no chance of 3* on either of those for me). So far, 0* on Crossroads X. Need to figure out how to pull off a one-star from all those skeletons. Once I can do that, I'm done with this and not looking back! Need female affection items, so far behind on that with all the new units I've been collecting.

lolix
11-09-2015, 08:33 PM
done :32 stars on first account. 33 the second. I am finally free. Shadow crossroads is really not that hard if u got a princess and 2 good healers to tank the lich (u will have to gank her). I'll link a video u can use. Even if u lack a princess , u should be able to stall her out with a valk (u will do 0 dmg to the lich since she has insane physical efense tho) while u clear the skeletons

edit : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx-1Xpa09Ok&list=LLeZj1m2lWdJqYteN9itrFUg

lacus
11-09-2015, 08:38 PM
I made it to 31* so far. 2* on Flame Beast X, 2* on Mighty Ogre X (no chance of 3* on either of those for me). So far, 0* on Crossroads X. Need to figure out how to pull off a one-star from all those skeletons. Once I can do that, I'm done with this and not looking back! Need female affection items, so far behind on that with all the new units I've been collecting.

I just managed to clear Crossroad X (finally!...only with 1 star though). I couldn't kill the lich, but I at least stalled him long enough for my mage to kill the rest of the units. By the way, a normal tank works pretty well against those initial waves of archers (as opposed to what Natsu used).

Edit: i.e. what lolix said.

Shadowfae
11-09-2015, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I use my Vandal. My princess isn't working to tank the lich because (even though she is a maxed-out Themis), I keep getting the version of the map where she sits there trying to kill skeletons instead of the lich. So the lich kills her healers, then she dies. If I ever manage to get a version where that doesn't happen I'm hopeful that it'll get me the 1* I need, but thus far have had no luck. C'mon Themis, hit the lich, not the skeletons!

I also don't need the second soldier, I get through the first spot of the map just fine (nothing gets through, no units dead until the lich and skeletons come out-- plenty of unit points to drop units, I just can't get them to do what I want).

lolix
11-09-2015, 09:00 PM
Yeah, I use my Vandal. My princess isn't working to tank the lich because (even though she is a maxed-out Themis), I keep getting the version of the map where she sits there trying to kill skeletons instead of the lich. So the lich kills her healers, then she dies. If I ever manage to get a version where that doesn't happen I'm hopeful that it'll get me the 1* I need, but thus far have had no luck. C'mon Themis, hit the lich, not the skeletons!

I also don't need the second soldier, I get through the first spot of the map just fine (nothing gets through, no units dead until the lich and skeletons come out-- plenty of unit points to drop units, I just can't get them to do what I want).

that's exactly what happened to me. When i got the map that didn't spawned the skeletons right on top of the lich , themis killed her pretty fast , and i 3-starred it. It's a bit rng dependent


EDIT : is solano even worth all the trouble ? Seems a bit excesive (the hardest event before awakening as i heard it) for a plat unit ?

Aeghas
11-10-2015, 02:26 AM
EDIT : is solano even worth all the trouble ? Seems a bit excesive (the hardest event before awakening as i heard it) for a plat unit ?

I can't remember if it was lafate or charles that said they doubted that they'd do awakening after this event. So I think just because that's the order it went in the JP version it wont necessarily be the same for us.

Shadowfae
11-10-2015, 07:13 AM
Woo, got the one star I needed on Crossroads. 32/36. No more of this event for me!

PoorTroopers
11-10-2015, 10:15 AM
I can't remember if it was lafate or charles that said they doubted that they'd do awakening after this event. So I think just because that's the order it went in the JP version it wont necessarily be the same for us.
I hope Jurina or Charlotte for the next. Ada's extra mission is too heavy.
It will be the first map I can't clear, if Gold rush event won't hold prior. I need Bernice and Chydis for that map...

soranokira
11-10-2015, 10:23 AM
I hope Jurina or Charlotte for the next. Ada's extra mission is too heavy.
It will be the first map I can't clear, if Gold rush event won't hold prior. I need Bernice and Chydis for that map...

I want Charlotte!!! *soranokira stares and drools at the silver mages & healer*

lolix
11-10-2015, 11:20 AM
i just hope we actually get a break for once...

Anonymous
11-10-2015, 11:41 AM
If you want a break then just don't play the event.

lolix
11-10-2015, 12:00 PM
If you want a break then just don't play the event.

i'd rather get a break to at least get to cc/raise aff/raise gold/farm fairies before a new event. At least a week break would do everyone well. I really don't get u people. Want event after event...like events are some sort of big change in gameplay. Its not. It's stil lgrinding , and after the first day , the novelity disapears from it. I'd rather we get a rbeak to at least get to raise the units we get , and their affection as well. Event after event were we get a ton of units we will never use are pointless

Buster Wolf
11-10-2015, 12:04 PM
Technically this event does give a break since you only need to get 3* once so you can take advantage of doing it early and then raising your units or raise your units and do it near the end.

lolix
11-10-2015, 12:12 PM
Technically this event does give a break since you only need to get 3* once so you can take advantage of doing it early and then raising your units or raise your units and do it near the end.

you are assuming most people can do it early and then farm their dailies or whatever.... I think that might not be always the case. Well , it happens to be true for myself , seeing as i managed to raise the needed number of stars on both my accounts , but that doesn't hold true for a big number of people. And even so , i am burned out of resources after 3 consecutive events , and even if i get 1 week after this event ends , i'm not sure i'll get a suitable amount of spirits/aff items for another batch release of events

Buster Wolf
11-10-2015, 12:20 PM
I am one of those who is raising units then doing it late, this event has given me a good amount of time to CC units I didn't prior and get affection items for a lot of my units (not to mention actually getting to Phalanx 2 from Solitary Battle 3). I did try some of the maps early to get those out of the way to know my limit (sitting at 16 stars as I post this).

lolix
11-10-2015, 12:54 PM
I am one of those who is raising units then doing it late, this event has given me a good amount of time to CC units I didn't prior and get affection items for a lot of my units (not to mention actually getting to Phalanx 2 from Solitary Battle 3). I did try some of the maps early to get those out of the way to know my limit (sitting at 16 stars as I post this).

there is a serious difference in dificulty between the 3 stamina maps and the X ones. Unless your team is ridiculous , you're going to fail some. I'd suggest you finish the event rather sooner then later.

fallendrgmaster
11-10-2015, 01:35 PM
While I am not doing it during this event that is exactly what I did during Anya's first event. I activated the boosts and continued leveling and CCing my units burning stones during the monday daily etc. In the end I manged to finish it off with all 24 stars to pick up Anya's sealed form.

Just keep checking here/youtube and ULMF at the strategies people are posting and adapting it to fit your specific units and capabilities. Conrad was the unit that saved my butt ultimately when somebody posted about how good he was at taking down the dragon mages.

This event is defiantly one of the harder ones, but it also doesn't require a full 3 star sweep.

Anonymous
11-10-2015, 07:00 PM
i'd rather get a break to at least get to cc/raise aff/raise gold/farm fairies before a new event. At least a week break would do everyone well. I really don't get u people. Want event after event...like events are some sort of big change in gameplay. Its not. It's stil lgrinding , and after the first day , the novelity disapears from it. I'd rather we get a rbeak to at least get to raise the units we get , and their affection as well. Event after event were we get a ton of units we will never use are pointless

It's unfortunate that you don't enjoy events, but plenty of people do like having something to do. If you need a break, then you simply have to stop playing the event. You cannot expect everyone else to go a week with nothing to do simply because you can't manage your time correctly and want to have your cake and eat it too. If you think event units are so pointless and the event missions are boring, then what's stopping you from skipping one to get dailies done?

Finally getting back to back events is the best thing that has happened to Nutaku Aigis, as people finally have something they can do every week, stopping them would be madness and a huge step back.

Shadowfae
11-10-2015, 07:05 PM
I have plenty to do every week even if there aren't events; the last few events have given me so many characters to level up and gain aff items for, I could probably go for two (maybe even three!) weeks just playing catch-up.

Obviously, that's excessive, but for the majority of the playerbase (the ones who have not been playing from the Very Beginning), a few days (up to a week) of time where you're not feeling pressured to get the New Shiny would be nice. I'm not actually complaining because I can still slowly work on things in the meantime. I got Odette to 50CC55, and Sophie to 50CC32 or something like that so far (got very lucky on some SC rolls), but a few others I want to level are still languishing at level 1 and Sophie is not max-aff'd yet so I similarly would not complain about breaks (I am mostly disputing your assertion that there is "nothing to do" if there is no event going).

I'm taking full advantage of this being a star event to work on some of those things now that I finally hit 32* in it this morning.

Unregistered
11-10-2015, 07:55 PM
The only pressure to get event units is self imposed, and the game should not manage players time for them if they can't do it themselves. It's repetitive to say, but the one and only solution to running low on resources is simply to stop playing the events. Hell, they don't even need to skip it, just settle for a couple less skill levels or cost reductions.
Resource management is on the player, not the devs, and wanting the game to grind to a halt is selfish as can be.

soranokira
11-10-2015, 08:14 PM
The only pressure to get event units is self imposed, and the game should not manage players time for them if they can't do it themselves. It's repetitive to say, but the one and only solution to running low on resources is simply to stop playing the events. Hell, they don't even need to skip it, just settle for a couple less skill levels or cost reductions.
Resource management is on the player, not the devs, and wanting the game to grind to a halt is selfish as can be.

except it will never grind to a halt, we're just looking for a week break or so. fyi, we can because this is a star rush. but what about the past 2? having heir to strategist and monk training back-to-back gives you almost no chance to get some aff/levels. In order to beef up your unit choice there'll always be stuff to do during the breaks.
Also, you're forgetting about newbies who join late. the more back-to-back events, the more events newbies will lose out in. you can't only think about the long-term players, a balance is needed. And don't forget, nutaku wants people to spend SC, but without getting your bunch of previous summons ready, would you be more or less inclined to summon more?

Shadowfae
11-10-2015, 08:58 PM
The only pressure to get event units is self imposed, and the game should not manage players time for them if they can't do it themselves. It's repetitive to say, but the one and only solution to running low on resources is simply to stop playing the events. Hell, they don't even need to skip it, just settle for a couple less skill levels or cost reductions.
Resource management is on the player, not the devs, and wanting the game to grind to a halt is selfish as can be.

No, insisting that the game would be "grinding to a halt" with a brief delay between events simply because it is more exciting for you is as selfish as can be. It is, in fact, as equally selfish as someone on the other side who wants no events at all.

There is a middle ground, and that is all that the people who are asking for a brief delay are seeking. That's not anywhere near as selfish as either of the extremes. :)

Anonymous
11-10-2015, 09:46 PM
except it will never grind to a halt, we're just looking for a week break or so. fyi, we can because this is a star rush. but what about the past 2? having heir to strategist and monk training back-to-back gives you almost no chance to get some aff/levels. In order to beef up your unit choice there'll always be stuff to do during the breaks.


No, insisting that the game would be "grinding to a halt" with a brief delay between events simply because it is more exciting for you is as selfish as can be. It is, in fact, as equally selfish as someone on the other side who wants no events at all.

There is a middle ground, and that is all that the people who are asking for a brief delay are seeking. That's not anywhere near as selfish as either of the extremes. :)

That may be true if the definition of selfish was 'what I don't like'. Back to back events allows every single player to have the same opportunity to do what they want to do. A break is a break by any other name, and it denies anyone who wants to play something remotely fresh from doing so so that a small group can play catch up. You can have a brief delay any time you want, just don't play the event.
Nobody is automatically entitled to everything, if you want the event unit and you want to work on your units at the same time, you have to either settle for less CR/Skill, spend some SC, or take a break entirely. Time management is an important part of Aigis, and as I said before, it's not up to the devs to do it for you.



Also, you're forgetting about newbies who join late. the more back-to-back events, the more events newbies will lose out in. you can't only think about the long-term players, a balance is needed. And don't forget, nutaku wants people to spend SC, but without getting your bunch of previous summons ready, would you be more or less inclined to summon more?

Events are a boon to new player retention. The current event is quite an anomaly, sure, but the majority of events have accessible levels allowing even new players to get a couple drops or stars and get some neat units to kickstart their game, and regularly occurring events shows life and activity.
As for SC, nothing inspires SC purchases like events. When breaks are plentiful premium summon becomes far less valuable because you end up with maxed out teams, whereas events make people think twice about their resources and in turn they look towards premium summon when their team runs into bumpy patches in the event.
Not to mention it's far more enjoyable to summon things when you know you'll have things to use them on.

Shadowfae
11-10-2015, 10:19 PM
The definition of "selfish" is "I want things the way that will satisfy me, and everyone else doesn't matter." Which is, in fact, exactly what you are doing. And you know you are doing it, because you can't even put a name to your argument (not even a fake internet name).

You are extrapolating your own personal situation and expanding it out to everyone. For example: you say that it is a "small group" that wants to catch up. You know what? You've got it backwards-- the small group is the people who are at the top and feel that they "can't do anything if there are no events". You're demanding that the devs cater to your idea of how things should be, because you personally would get bored.

I can assure you that I (even as someone who managed to pull off 32* in this current event) would do just fine having a little bit of a breather between things in order to build and strengthen my team. Will I do just fine if events continue? Personally, yes. Some time off would be nice, though it is not necessary for me. The difference between you and I here is that I can understand where the people who are less fortunate than I am are coming from, and their desire to have a more steady game experience where progress can be made and it's not feeling like they're always falling further and further behind.

Anonymous
11-10-2015, 11:31 PM
Ah yes, some good old ad hominem. And you're even talking yourself up at the end!
Online games always lean (often quite heavily) towards experienced players, it's inevitable by design. New players are always a minority, and low-mid levels are not much better. All you really have to do is look at the wikia, ULMF, the mongolian pictograph board, even with such a challenging event the majority of people are getting 32+.

I'm genuinely curious as to how denying a significant portion of people something to do so that a smaller group can play catch up is fairer than giving every player the opportunity to choose whether they want to participate in the event or to work on their team. What exactly are people losing by having back to back events?
And preferably without having to resort to personal attacks, as I haven't lowered myself to doing so at any point and expect the same in return.

soranokira
11-10-2015, 11:53 PM
Ah yes, some good old ad hominem. And you're even talking yourself up at the end!
Online games always lean (often quite heavily) towards experienced players, it's inevitable by design. New players are always a minority, and low-mid levels are not much better. All you really have to do is look at the wikia, ULMF, the mongolian pictograph board, even with such a challenging event the majority of people are getting 32+.

I'm genuinely curious as to how denying a significant portion of people something to do so that a smaller group can play catch up is fairer than giving every player the opportunity to choose whether they want to participate in the event or to work on their team. What exactly are people losing by having back to back events?
And preferably without having to resort to personal attacks, as I haven't lowered myself to doing so at any point and expect the same in return.

Yes, they can get 32*, but it doesn't mean that they can't enjoy the perks of having no events and getting to actually level up + aff the new event units so they can actually try using them. Back-to-back is never a good idea, it easily burns players out.

Kotono
11-10-2015, 11:57 PM
Guys, this is not the place for requesting breaks between events. Nobody here has any influence within Nutaku or the dev team for Aigis.
As of now, nutaku uses facebook and twitter, along with their email contact@nutaku.net, and apparently they have some presence on ULMF and Hongfire with the game threads.
I would suggest using these means to try and get your voices heard, rather than making points and counter-points among yourselves here. It won't accomplish anything. It is true that Nutaku is aware of this place, but that does not mean they follow it.

These breaks are good for newer and bad for older players. There is no pure benefit to gain for Nutaku. Choosing one or the other will make some happy and others angry, so of course the best course of action is to go the route they hear the most requests for. And at this point, I'm certain that this was to have more frequent events.

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 12:02 AM
Goddamn casuals asking for breaks when we've been clamoring for NINE MONTHS since this game went live for us to have back-to-back events like JP did from day one, ON TOP OF the fact that the game was practically dead during the SIX WEEK break of no events whatsoever.

You newer people really just need to suck it up. A lot of us have suffered through 2-3 week breaks for ages, and none of us want to go back to that formula. Even a week-long break would make us wary again. Unless, of course, they increased drop rates or had revival events during said break.

And I was ninja'd by admin anyway. Meh.

Anonymous
11-11-2015, 12:05 AM
Yes, they can get 32*, but it doesn't mean that they can't enjoy the perks of having no events and getting to actually level up + aff the new event units so they can actually try using them. Back-to-back is never a good idea, it easily burns players out.

There is no 'perk' to having no event. Players can farm affection and levels during events just fine, the only thing stopping people is greed to want perfect event units. Just decide whether you want to eat your cake or not, because you can't (and shouldn't) have both. Cutting short at -4 CR rather than -5 for example would give you a good day, maybe even two of farming.

lolix
11-11-2015, 12:22 AM
Ah yes, some good old ad hominem. And you're even talking yourself up at the end!
Online games always lean (often quite heavily) towards experienced players, it's inevitable by design. New players are always a minority, and low-mid levels are not much better. All you really have to do is look at the wikia, ULMF, the mongolian pictograph board, even with such a challenging event the majority of people are getting 32+.

I'm genuinely curious as to how denying a significant portion of people something to do so that a smaller group can play catch up is fairer than giving every player the opportunity to choose whether they want to participate in the event or to work on their team. What exactly are people losing by having back to back events?
And preferably without having to resort to personal attacks, as I haven't lowered myself to doing so at any point and expect the same in return.


Oh please , i had no ideea that i week , once in 2 months of events is such a big break that will ruin your entire gaming experience. I am a decently high lvl player atm , and have a decently high team. I can probably easily 3 star most events (including this 1 >> in which the only event i couldn't 3 star was flame beast X because i lack a karma) , but i see no point in that. The new units will barely get played or leveled because i don't have the time for them. At this point it feels like i'm just colecting stamp after stamp after stamp. Whichwould not be that big of a deal , if once at every 2 months , i do get 1 damn week to look trhough my collection....which is exactly what we're asking. You say that time management is not a developer's problem ? Well , you're wrong. If you spam event after event , you can burn out even old players , and make the new ones (especially in games like this , which are collecting games , feel way down behind the curve. What does that mean ? It means that you just set a very dificult entry level for newer players , becasue there aren't many that want to join a server that advanced. From now on events will only get harder. Players will need stronger and stronger teams , and for a new player , to miss so many free plats is devastating. And that's just new players. Even the old players can burn out at this rithm. Honestly speaking , the most money spenders that are investing in the game , are working people , with day to day jobs - and getting in such a ridiculous rithm were you feel you don't progress at all , because all you do is getting newer and newer projects (characters) that you have to work on , but you can never get a break to get on them , is tiring. And they just keep piling. 1 way to get past this , is if you're a super whale with tons of money to spend......but that;s a very small amount of players , and my guess is that nutaku makes more money out of the 1000 dudes that spends 100 bucks regularly , then the single dude that spends 1000. And those 1000 people , do need a break as well to catch up)


Playing a game where you get no now stuff can be boring , i agree. But playing a game where there is so much new stuff that you feel you can;t progress simply becasue you have just so many things to work on , can be easily way more frustrating. Which is why people proposed a week or so of pause between 1-2 events.

If you can't see that this policy of doing event after event hurts both the newer players (which will become less and less) , and the older players (you would think nutaku learned their lesson after the wave of people that left PPS because the game was getting way too time demanding) will get burned out , or will simply not have the times for them , because some are working people (usually the ones that actually pay) , and in the long run this will hurt nutaku , well all i can say is that you are the selfish one.

soranokira
11-11-2015, 12:24 AM
There is no 'perk' to having no event. Players can farm affection and levels during events just fine, the only thing stopping people is greed to want perfect event units. Just decide whether you want to eat your cake or not, because you can't (and shouldn't) have both. Cutting short at -4 CR rather than -5 for example would give you a good day, maybe even two of farming.

not necessarily, there are people who're so unlucky they can't even get to -4 CR without using SCs, let alone getting the day to farm excess stuff. Wanting perfect event units is normal, there is always that degree of completionist considering this is sort of a 'collect every girl into your harem' type of game. A week break is not too much to ask for just to get some time for aff farming, especially considering even long time veterans (sort of) like Lafate is needing aff for his girls as well.

also, Eab, it's not only casuals. http://harem-battle.club/millennium-war-aigis/357-question-aigis-guys-girls.html
Tenhou and Overload are examples of spenders who're supportive of a week break. Unless there's double drop rates like Charles mentioned (on page 2), and regular star events well spread out, that 1 week break is going to be helpful. Yes, the 6 week break was too much, but having no breaks is too tough as well. You should never be on one extreme end of the spectrum.

and fyi, if they're going back-to-back, right after star event, we're getting 2 unit farm events (yurina and charlotte) before awakening (assuming things go like in dmm.jp), so how do you expect we level up + aff solano so we can try using her? and hell, do you really think everyone is prepared for awakening?

lolix
11-11-2015, 12:33 AM
Goddamn casuals asking for breaks when we've been clamoring for NINE MONTHS since this game went live for us to have back-to-back events like JP did from day one, ON TOP OF the fact that the game was practically dead during the SIX WEEK break of no events whatsoever.

You newer people really just need to suck it up. A lot of us have suffered through 2-3 week breaks for ages, and none of us want to go back to that formula. Even a week-long break would make us wary again. Unless, of course, they increased drop rates or had revival events during said break.

And I was ninja'd by admin anyway. Meh.

Casuals ? I was here in the first minute this game launched. I had to stop playing a couple of weeks (so i missed literally 4 characters : anya > got aria , but didn't finished the event , marribel and karma , and echidna > forgot about her. Got everything after and have a decently high team.) Untill new i also had a decent stock of spirits and aff items. Still after 3 events in a row , people tend to run out of provisions. Yes , i remember the long break as well , and yes i do understand that it's boring. Hell , i literally made a second account and raised it to lvl 130 in that break (well , since 2-3 weeks before odette event till now to be exact) , in addition to my main account. I'd hardly call myself a casual , but i can feel the big difference between a newer player and a older player firsthand....and even so , even my older account got 0 provisions left and needs restocking.

Shadowfae
11-11-2015, 05:38 AM
Yeah... "casuals"? Is that the new term for "anyone who doesn't agree with me"?

I started during the Karma event. I tried the first map, saw that farming for the dropped items would get me nowhere, and went on to leveling up my team.

After the Karma event, there was a break. This break let me level my team up enough to pull off 6* during the Rowanna event and get a Rowanna (which I've since maxed out and get a great deal of use with). If there was not a break, I would simply not have been able to get her at all. Period. That's not a "good thing for new players," being locked out of multiple events entirely because they can't get through the initial threshold.

I then went through that long period with the rest of you where there were no events at all. Yes, I agree, that was far too long. But that does not then mean that no break at all is a good thing; all it means is that very long breaks (especially with a whopping 1 SC as "compensation") are a Bad Thing.

Since then, I'm up to level 148, have a pretty strong core team, and have been slowly working on expanding other characters as needed. That's basically constant-charisma-expenditure, btw.

Kotono: I don't think anyone here is really believing that Nutaku is going to come to this thread and change their methodology. I, at least, am just having a discussion with people who think that back-to-back events are a good thing and asking that they look at it from a more inclusive point of view. Deriding everyone who disagrees as "casual" or "selfish" is pretty silly; there are very valid points and reasons to wanting small breaks.

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 06:06 AM
I'm not going to drag this out any longer than it needs to be. <br />
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You guys DO realize that half the point of star events IS to take breaks? You get the stars, you're done, you go farm whatever you...

lolix
11-11-2015, 06:27 AM
I haven't played for said time , becasue as i said some people actually have to work. It was a very bussy time in my life at the moment , that coincided with my dad getting sick. Dunno why i actually have to explain myself to you. The point is , we need breaks. There are people here that can't stay all day long in his mom's basement and play. That being said , i don't see how a 1 week break between 2-3 events will affect anyone. I meant seriously , would you die of boredom (i don't even get the ideea here. Most event have a couple maps that everyone grinds the fuck out of them untill , i'd rather do dailies then repeat it one more time. It's not like events are exciting more then 1 day anyway) if instead of a event , you would get a 1 week break ? Would you leave the game ? Chill the hell down a bit and grow up. Not everyone can keep playing at your pace , either because of time or money. And new players would get cut out entirely if nutaku kept doing that. But , who the hell cares about newbies anyway ? Am i right ?

Shadowfae
11-11-2015, 06:32 AM
And a game that never has any breaks at all is similarly not ideal. There is, however, a good middle ground-- short breaks, not long ones. Long ones are terrible for everyone, both newcomers and experienced players alike. Short breaks give newcomers a chance to build up, and give experienced ones some time to recuperate and build up their new cards / regather aff items / etc. With constant events, there is a constant push to keep ignoring what you have in favour of getting the new thing, because if you don't you are also falling behind (I mean, for myself, not having Karma in this current event was a pretty big deal!)

Admittedly, right now I am enjoying the "break" in this star event. Not all events are star events, though! Especially not the grindy ones, which we had two of in a row (one of the suggestions by our Anonymous friend was to stop at -4 CR on the grindy events-- I didn't even get my Monk to -4 CR until the very last night of the event, thanks to RNG).

soranokira
11-11-2015, 06:49 AM
Yes, you don't need solano, but at the same time you don't have time to level her up to actually TRY using her. Not to mention if things remain back-to-back as they are (I'm looking into the longer-term), you won't get to really aff up yurina, charlotte AND solano because awakenings next and you gotta try and get some awakened units up.
By using the SCs you're mentioning, you're effectively also saying that "Cutting short at -4 CR rather than -5 for example would give you a good day, maybe even two of farming." is not gonna happen, so just WHEN are you going to farm affection items? At that rate, even for older players, they're probably only going to manage to full aff like 2 girls every star event. so, are you saying that the others girls you maybe get from premium summons don't need affection considering that a star event comes like once every 3 or 4 events or so?

Look, we're not saying to have some crazy longass break for newbies to build team; we're just looking for a 1 week break after every event to be able to work up whatever additional members we got (either event or premium summon). Hell, even a week-long break every 2-3 events is better than none, although increased drop rate would really help to balance things out if that's the case. It is not likely anyone would spam premium summons forever if they realize they can't even get their spotlight units up and ready for events and new content. A week break is not going to kill the older players, honestly, and it gives them some time to restock on provisions.

point being: nobody wants extremes, a balanced approach is often the best approach. Yeah you can say back-to-back is fine for now since there's star rush for breaks, but don't forget that nutaku doesn't necessarily follow the event order from DMM. the next thing you know, they might come up with 6 back-to-back completion/unit farm events, and then you can enjoy getting event units without the chance to use them. which then makes you wonder the purpose of event getting event units at all. and then if there's no purpose in getting event units, the new content becomes relatively pointless and nothing more than just repeatedly grinding events for the sake of grinding them like in PPS.

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 06:52 AM
I haven't played for said time , becasue as i said some people actually have to work. It was a very bussy time in my life at the moment , that coincided with my dad getting sick. Dunno why i actually have to explain myself to you. The point is , we need breaks. There are people here that can't stay all day long in his mom's basement and play. That being said , i don't see how a 1 week break between 2-3 events will affect anyone. I meant seriously , would you die of boredom (i don't even get the ideea here. Most event have a couple maps that everyone grinds the fuck out of them untill , i'd rather do dailies then repeat it one more time. It's not like events are exciting more then 1 day anyway) if instead of a event , you would get a 1 week break ? Would you leave the game ? Chill the hell down a bit and grow up. Not everyone can keep playing at your pace , either because of time or money. And new players would get cut out entirely if nutaku kept doing that. But , who the hell cares about newbies anyway ? Am i right ?

Nice try, I'm a full-time employee too. Doesn't mean I want to kill the game's pace. Again, nothing's stopping you from using SCs to pick up the slack.


And a game that never has any breaks at all is similarly not ideal. There is, however, a good middle ground-- short breaks, not long ones. Long ones are terrible for everyone, both newcomers and experienced players alike. Short breaks give newcomers a chance to build up, and give experienced ones some time to recuperate and build up their new cards / regather aff items / etc. With constant events, there is a constant push to keep ignoring what you have in favour of getting the new thing, because if you don't you are also falling behind (I mean, for myself, not having Karma in this current event was a pretty big deal!)

Admittedly, right now I am enjoying the "break" in this star event. Not all events are star events, though! Especially not the grindy ones, which we had two of in a row (one of the suggestions by our Anonymous friend was to stop at -4 CR on the grindy events-- I didn't even get my Monk to -4 CR until the very last night of the event, thanks to RNG).

We HAD breaks or grind-points in previous events too.

NOBODY should've grinded the full 700 scrolls in Len's event except for whales. People should've picked a point to stop, then go do whatever they wanted for the remainder of the two weeks. Personally, I chose to keep grinding the event for Sanosuke and Lauren, while stopping at 350. Other people could've just 3-starred the maps, stopped at 30-50 scrolls, and have at least a good week to farm whatever the hell they wanted.

Affection? Lynn's second-to-last map had a guaranteed crystal drop. I was sitting on 50+ crystals at one point. Len's last map dropped wine at least half of the time.

Experience? Events in general use stamina faster than charisma. You're going to need to burn charisma on a story map at some point. Not enough? Lay off the events a bit, or use an SC. Easy.

The only things you can't really grind during events are exp armors and fairies, but if your characters are underleveled, you shouldn't be doing the event to begin with. This event is a great example. We're halfway through and everyone has had a full week to gauge how their team stacks against this event. Everyone should have a clear goal as to what they should do for the remaining half. Farm for more exp? Buy buffs and try again? Give up and focus all in on farming? There ya go. No breaks after the event needed.

If we had endless farm events where each unit was extremely useful, I *might* concede on a break. Odette was kinda necessary to everyone who lacked a good gold+ mage. Shiho is not a staple unit (though I admit she's been amazing this event due to the lack of ranged unit slots in each map, and hybrid units like her can overcome that obstacle). Lynn is a niche class like rogues that shine best in rush and challenge maps, but aren't necessary otherwise. I already explained Len. Point is, unless you're some super-perfectionist or completely new, you shouldn't be tired from events. You should have better priorities, or use SCs to cover those priorities. NOT slow down the game for everyone else.

lolix
11-11-2015, 07:05 AM
yeah because everyone has the money to keep spamming SCs whenever they need. I guess , in the end , money is the answer to all problems : I have a ton of cash , i can restock stamina at will. Ofc i won't need weeks of breaks to get aff items or ecxperience , or demon cristals. Well , news flash : not everyone can afford to be a wallet warrior. If you can afford said playstyle , keep in mind that most can't. There is no need to be a dick to others , just because you can't stand 7 days without doing a event. Others do need the breaks. Are you really THAT damn selfish ?

Anonymous
11-11-2015, 07:15 AM
Here comes the 'selfish' again. I'm still curious as to if anyone can come up with a valid reason that breaks are fairer to all players than back to back events giving everyone the choice of whether to play or not. Doubly so if you can come up with a reason that doesn't boil down to wanting your cake and eating it too.
I also wonder, Japs have had back to back for ages, if not forever, and yet somehow they haven't had catastrophic implosions of their player base, where is the idea that back to back events will kill off everyone coming from?


By using the SCs you're mentioning, you're effectively also saying that "Cutting short at -4 CR rather than -5 for example would give you a good day, maybe even two of farming." is not gonna happen, so just WHEN are you going to farm affection items?

You've got your posters mixed up, I said that. I don't precisely agree with eab in that regard, as while SCs are a completely valid option with you getting like 6-12 per event, you can easily manage most things by just cutting down your event spam.

soranokira
11-11-2015, 07:47 AM
You've got your posters mixed up, I said that. I don't precisely agree with eab in that regard, as while SCs are a completely valid option with you getting like 6-12 per event, you can easily manage most things by just cutting down your event spam.

My bad, but back to the discussion, Jap ver =/= international ver, people will feel burn out if it goes on for a long period of time.
The main reason we're mentioning selfish here, is the fact that our points of discussion include considering the standpoint of both old players as well as new players, while thus far your arguments have pretty much only been for old players. and our point being, by stepping back a little, old players don't lose out too much, yet new players get a chance to build up. You need to strike a balance and not only think about old players. and like I mentioned, how is anyone (both old and new players) going to aff up new summons from spotlights and use them if events are back-to-back?


Personally, I chose to keep grinding the event for Sanosuke and Lauren, while stopping at 350. Other people could've just 3-starred the maps, stopped at 30-50 scrolls, and have at least a good week to farm whatever the hell they wanted.
yeah well fyi, you need to spend the entire 2 weeks to actually farm up 350 books for that event w/o using SCs. 'a good week to farm whatever the hell' = using SCs.

lolix
11-11-2015, 07:51 AM
Here comes the 'selfish' again. I'm still curious as to if anyone can come up with a valid reason that breaks are fairer to all players than back to back events giving everyone the choice of whether to play or not. Doubly so if you can come up with a reason that doesn't boil down to wanting your cake and eating it too.
I also wonder, Japs have had back to back for ages, if not forever, and yet somehow they haven't had catastrophic implosions of their player base, where is the idea that back to back events will kill off everyone coming from?



You've got your posters mixed up, I said that. I don't precisely agree with eab in that regard, as while SCs are a completely valid option with you getting like 6-12 per event, you can easily manage most things by just cutting down your event spam.


You're a company that wants to make money , yes ? Do you think players will use premium summons when u give them event after event ? And no , i don't mean they won't becasue they already have free units. They won't becaused they lack the time to raise and use said units. I could get a god damn deine or nanaly. If i don't have time to cc her and raise her aff , it's likely i'm still going to go with a spica i have lvled. By not giving players time to nejoy their spoils , you do 3 things : first you burn them out >>> like it happened in PPS <<< because continous events are not healthy. People need breaks. Second , you get less money out of them in the long term (in short term , they might buy more SCs , but if you keep doing this over and over , they will eventually give up. Finding a good balance between milking whales , and let them build up a bit their anticipation , will get you more money in the logn run). And 3rd : you cut out new players from the game entirely. The whole point of games like this is collecting. A lot of players would give up after they lost 3 events in a row because they were way too weak to participate. Droping behind the curve in games like this means the entry lvl for newnies becomes higher and higher , considering events get stronger and stronger , and unless they are ridiculously lucky in premium summons , they will need the event units. I mean , you can't expected a new player that never even experienced the full aigis experience to start spending money like crazy on premium summons. You let him grow a bit , participate in a event or 2 , and if he likes it , he is likely to start spending. When you treat newbies that bad , its obvious they won't start spending.


Is it fair ? Not sure why it wouldn't be. It's not like a wbreak would take anything away from a veteran player....unless all you want are bragging rights (which again , are rather pointless since there is literally no interaction between player accounts) for having a unit the other person doesn't has because he was a newbie when said event hit. Hell , with revival events , even that is a moot point , since even newer people will be able to get those. I literally see no advantage of having back to back events , other hten the entertainment of a very few number of people. On the other side , i can see a number of advantages of having breaks , and most of those include a bigger number of people then the first group

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 08:26 AM
... Was this site always so... buggy? Taking forever to make a damn post.

Anyway.


yeah well fyi, you need to spend the entire 2 weeks to actually farm up 350 books for that event w/o using SCs. 'a good week to farm whatever the hell' = using SCs.

Did I say that everyone should've farmed 350 scrolls instead? No. I chose to farm that much because I decided that I needed Sanosukes and Laurens anyway. But Len isn't a necessary unit to max, or even get more than the bare minimum.

I simply chose to keep grinding the event because I decided that I should get more Sanosukes/Laurens while the opportunity was there. I could've easily chosen to do anything else instead. Anyone else could have.

There's your goddamn break right there.


You're a company that wants to make money , yes ? Do you think players will use premium summons when u give them event after event ? And no , i don't mean they won't becasue they already have free units. They won't becaused they lack the time to raise and use said units. I could get a god damn deine or nanaly. If i don't have time to cc her and raise her aff , it's likely i'm still going to go with a spica i have lvled. By not giving players time to nejoy their spoils , you do 3 things : first you burn them out >>> like it happened in PPS <<< because continous events are not healthy. People need breaks. Second , you get less money out of them in the long term (in short term , they might buy more SCs , but if you keep doing this over and over , they will eventually give up. Finding a good balance between milking whales , and let them build up a bit their anticipation , will get you more money in the logn run). And 3rd : you cut out new players from the game entirely. The whole point of games like this is collecting. A lot of players would give up after they lost 3 events in a row because they were way too weak to participate. Droping behind the curve in games like this means the entry lvl for newnies becomes higher and higher , considering events get stronger and stronger , and unless they are ridiculously lucky in premium summons , they will need the event units. I mean , you can't expected a new player that never even experienced the full aigis experience to start spending money like crazy on premium summons. You let him grow a bit , participate in a event or 2 , and if he likes it , he is likely to start spending. When you treat newbies that bad , its obvious they won't start spending.


Is it fair ? Not sure why it wouldn't be. It's not like a wbreak would take anything away from a veteran player....unless all you want are bragging rights (which again , are rather pointless since there is literally no interaction between player accounts) for having a unit the other person doesn't has because he was a newbie when said event hit. Hell , with revival events , even that is a moot point , since even newer people will be able to get those. I literally see no advantage of having back to back events , other hten the entertainment of a very few number of people. On the other side , i can see a number of advantages of having breaks , and most of those include a bigger number of people then the first group

Oh man. You realize how silly your post sounds? How easy it is to turn your statement around?

Your post amounts to, "What's the point of getting premium/event units that you never have time to level?"

Here's a better question. How about, "What's the point of getting premium/event units if you have nothing to use them on?"

Because that's EXACTLY what happened prior to these back-to-back events. Some people are using Karma/Anya/Echidna/etc. for the very first time because there was nothing to use them on prior (protip, some people cleared Immortal Beast well before having these events).

But to answer your question, yes, actually. People will keep spending on the premium as each spotlight changes, as long as they have the desire to actually spend time developing them.

You mentioned earlier that you thought people would get tired of grinding event maps over and over, and that you'd rather farm dailies instead. Except no, people got tired of farming story/dailies AGES ago when the break periods got really bad. Likewise, people stopped spending on the shrine because there was no point if they were just going to farm Dragon Hunting and dailies they could've beaten with maxed out silvers and event units instead.

You can bitch all you want about not having enough time to level your team, but the downtime during events is there already. The downtime that comes from no events? That's harder to fill than you think. A lot of people jumped ship to DMM because there was actually shit to do whether or not they had time for it.

Like it or not, we're in a better place now than we were back then.

Side note, the PPS comparisons are laughable given how you don't spend anywhere near as much time or resources on one girl there than you do here.

Anonymous
11-11-2015, 08:43 AM
My bad, but back to the discussion, Jap ver =/= international ver, people will feel burn out if it goes on for a long period of time.
The main reason we're mentioning selfish here, is the fact that our points of discussion include considering the standpoint of both old players as well as new players, while thus far your arguments have pretty much only been for old players. and our point being, by stepping back a little, old players don't lose out too much, yet new players get a chance to build up. You need to strike a balance and not only think about old players. and like I mentioned, how is anyone (both old and new players) going to aff up new summons from spotlights and use them if events are back-to-back?.

Actually, many pro-break posts in this thread routinely ignore the 'experienced player' angle, claiming like you do that they lose nothing. Well, having nothing to do for a week is a pretty big loss to me. If you were truly arguing for balance, then constant events are the most balanced. Old players can always play events when they want to, new players can build up just like they would during a break and always have the option to attempt events, and those who need to restock can evaluate the event unit and decide what if any resources they want to spend on it. It's simply a matter of compromise, and while the Japanese version certainly isn't the English one, it's a shining example that back to back events work perfectly fine if people manage their time and compromise where necessary. The only thing relevant to the topic Japan has over Nutaku is revivals, but they're just a matter of time.

As for affection, I personally slip in runs of Skyfallen or Phalanx when I need to. I cut Lynn a couple days short because I needed some fodder for the current event and got some farming in there too.




You're a company that wants to make money , yes ? Do you think players will use premium summons when u give them event after event ? And no , i don't mean they won't becasue they already have free units. They won't becaused they lack the time to raise and use said units. I could get a god damn deine or nanaly. If i don't have time to cc her and raise her aff , it's likely i'm still going to go with a spica i have lvled. By not giving players time to nejoy their spoils , you do 3 things : first you burn them out >>> like it happened in PPS <<< because continous events are not healthy. People need breaks. Second , you get less money out of them in the long term (in short term , they might buy more SCs , but if you keep doing this over and over , they will eventually give up. Finding a good balance between milking whales , and let them build up a bit their anticipation , will get you more money in the logn run). And 3rd : you cut out new players from the game entirely. The whole point of games like this is collecting. A lot of players would give up after they lost 3 events in a row because they were way too weak to participate. Droping behind the curve in games like this means the entry lvl for newnies becomes higher and higher , considering events get stronger and stronger , and unless they are ridiculously lucky in premium summons , they will need the event units. I mean , you can't expected a new player that never even experienced the full aigis experience to start spending money like crazy on premium summons. You let him grow a bit , participate in a event or 2 , and if he likes it , he is likely to start spending. When you treat newbies that bad , its obvious they won't start spending.


Is it fair ? Not sure why it wouldn't be. It's not like a wbreak would take anything away from a veteran player....unless all you want are bragging rights (which again , are rather pointless since there is literally no interaction between player accounts) for having a unit the other person doesn't has because he was a newbie when said event hit. Hell , with revival events , even that is a moot point , since even newer people will be able to get those. I literally see no advantage of having back to back events , other hten the entertainment of a very few number of people. On the other side , i can see a number of advantages of having breaks , and most of those include a bigger number of people then the first group

I actually addressed this in a post earlier on in the thread, but back to back events are much better for business than breaks. Breaks cause people to level comfortably, and that is what reduces reliance on SCs and Premium Summon, not events. An important part of the business module is keeping players under gentle pressure at all times, keeping that shiny Premium Summon button out of the corner of their eyes and their cursor hovering over buying more stamina, because if there's more events and pretty girls, it's more likely that players will consider spending to make their progress more comfortable. In addition, others will be more comfortable paying because of the steady stream of content building their confidence in the game and the developers. Nothing to do for a week other than the same tired old dailies does not inspire people to part with their money, the only place doing nothing gets you paid is Patreon and maybe Kickstarter if you can write a really good story about the sun telling you not to publish your book.

In terms of new players and spending, I don't really think the presence of events is going to do much harm there either. Those who are willing to part with their money will be more inclined to do so seeing the cute girls in events that they can't or just barely reach. If anything the longer one plays games, the less reasons they have to spend. After a while all you have left is 'I want to support Nutaku' or 'I want that waifu', neither of which are unique to veterans. From a monetary perspective, back to back events are great.

And again, I've addressed the benefits of having events above, and in earlier posts, but if you cannot see how allowing all players to enjoy Aigis rather than just a minor portion, then you should simply stop commenting. I genuinely mean it. If you are unable to realize that some people actually want to play the game and denying them that is a negative, then you are so far disconnected from other players that you need to stop and reconsider. Back to back events give everyone opportunity, but breaks only take away.

lolix
11-11-2015, 08:46 AM
are you really that thick ? Are you assuming that by break i meant 6 weeks again with no event ? O i simply mean a couple days ? A couple days to put everything in order , then you get a new event. I dunno why you're always refering to the last big breakwe had , like the rest of us didn't experienced it and have no ideea wwhat we're talking about. Nobody suggested that. Literally all we suggested was between 2-3 events , we get a 1 week of break.

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 08:58 AM
So I guess you're going to completely ignore us when we say that the breaks are staring you in the face already if you wouldn't try to compulsively perfect every event and/or use SC recharges...

lolix
11-11-2015, 09:24 AM
So ...you're claiming that i ignore the veterans , but you are doing the same thing in regards to new players. Interesting. Also you are assuming that everyone is a wallet warrior like yourself , and...

soranokira
11-11-2015, 09:29 AM
and did you think what will happen if we get 6 events of completion/unit farm back-to-back w/o star rush because nutaku fucked the order around (especially those involving lolis)? <br />
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Eab1990
11-11-2015, 09:45 AM
So ...you're claiming that i ignore the veterans , but you are doing the same thing in regards to new players. Interesting. Also you are assuming that everyone is a wallet warrior like yourself , and you are ignoring the rng factor in events.You claim that you can waste 2 days farming aff , and just not get a perfect unit. It's not always the case , and rng can be a bitch.This one is a star event , but take events like oddette for example. Wasted 10+ SCs on both accounts and best i got was -3CR , lvl 12 skill and -4cr , 11 skill. Assuming that most events are actually that type , how exactly do you take a break to farm something else , when the rng decides to destroy your wallet and still not reduce your units ?

There are a lot of factors in games like this and breaks can be good to help people sort stuff out. We are not talking months of breaks. We are not even talking about breaks after each event. We are talking about a couple days (or a week) once every 2-3 events.
Still i guess , i'm the selfish one. How dare i intrerup the event griding of veterans for the sake of that damn lvl 20 that needs to raise his leane a bit before a event starts so he can get at least the guaranteed drop ? How dare i ? How selfish of me.

Dunno why that's such a hard concept for you to grasp.

Ignoring new players after nine months of going live is perfectly valid considering *gasp* not all players are expected to fully clear every event! And not counting this current event, but a week is plenty of time to get the bare minimum in any other event. WITHOUT having no events for everyone else.

There's really no excuse for newbies at this point. Autocomplete exists now, exp/gold buffs are cheaper/last longer (IIRC), etc.

Getting to level 100+ and having a competent team to clear Castle Retake took me a month from launch. It should take even less time now. And if you can clear Castle Retake, you can at least get the bare minimum of most events. No need to slow things down.

Also, why the hell do you keep bringing up "wallet warrior" like it's somehow an argument against me? Show me where I said people should buy SCs to cover the difference. Or did you forget about all the SCs people get from three-starring events? If anything, you're the one crippling free players by denying them the means to get more SCs.


and did you think what will happen if we get 6 events of completion/unit farm back-to-back w/o star rush because nutaku fucked the order around (especially those involving lolis)?

See, the problem with that argument isn't the frequency of events anymore. The problem would be the lack of variety. If we had neverending star events or (god forbid) neverending collection events, it... wouldn't be the exact same issue, but instead of being able to level the current event unit, you would have to wait until each event ended.

Even then, you'd still get a healthy amount of SCs from three-starring, so maybe you won't get perfect units all the time, but you'll have plenty of opportunity to prioritize if you should go all-in on the current unit or save your SCs for the next one. You know, like what DMM players recommend doing all the time.

gam
11-11-2015, 10:35 AM
I thought all this thread activity was going to be useful... :confused:

Tenhou
11-11-2015, 10:37 AM
You know, there is a huge problem with this discussion for obvious reasons.

One side wants breaks because:
1. It gives them time to get aff items, demon crystals and fairies.
2. I gives them some time to rest and build up their new toys to go for the next events.
3. They feel every new toy is important (either for being useful or for affection).
4. To give new players some time because new players are important to keep in the game.

The other side wants back to back events because:
1. They feel events can be skipped in favour of getting other stuff.
2. They do not care about all the toys.
3. They feel it is more important to get fresh content to not get bored.
4. New players are less important and can simply spend their time trying to get better.
5. Better for game since more events mean more SC.

That said, it's still a silly battle between some people wanting more time to fiddle with their toys and people not wanting to drive the same road twice. You have to understand that both of your sides value different things and you are trying to make the other side "understand" your point of view. The #nobreaks 5th point is actually decent, but the rest was just throwing around your opinion because it is clearly better. (sorry if i missed a point, but this shit was 4 pages already when i came online)

Now, i can understand where both sides come from, as a paying and long time player. I started during the Echidna event and the 3+ weeks of no content were HORRIBLE and i never ever want to go back to that. However, i do feel a break now and then is important.

I like star events because they can be done quickly and then you have more time to spend on other things. I feel that we should have this type of event every 2-3 events. They last for 2 weeks and you have PLENTY of time to do other things. If they can do this then i need no breaks. Already during this event i have maxed Bashira and gotten a lot more affection items that i am unsure who i want to spend them on next.

I would not mind a complete break now and then either though, just a week without no events now and then. As said, star rush events would already serve as a good break so i'd only want this if they want to put several collection/farm events in a row.

So as it is, i lean more towards the #nobreak side as long as at least every third event can be a star rush.

And that marks the end of my own opinionated bullshit which has probably not helped the discussion in any way, shape or form. Thank you.

lolix
11-11-2015, 12:37 PM
which in the end is exactly what me and sora proposed , since we both agreed that we don't need breaks after every event. But now and then , after 2-3 consecutive events , a break at times can be beneficial. It's all we proposed tenhou

Unregistered
11-11-2015, 02:16 PM
guys if you want a new map each week this game don't will suit you, whales get bored fast because with a full black team any map will be piece of cake, event unit have or low stats or huge cost only check the poor anya 35, if you do half assed the event you will get a not worth unit, of course with cost reduced black platinum units it is easy say skip the event and go farm fairies
i don't play jp but i don't think that them have back to back event without any breaks

Anonymous
11-11-2015, 07:33 PM
Maybe you should consider not commenting on things you're not familiar with, as JP has had back to back events since it began in 2013.
The rest of your post has been refuted plenty throughout the thread.

Eab1990
11-11-2015, 08:46 PM
I'm surprised you could even read that post to begin with.

Unregistered
11-11-2015, 09:02 PM
I play on the DMM version and back-to-back events is the way to go and I've never started when the game first went live. I'm not a whale either and I'm always looking forward to a new event every week.

Every event is optional. It is up to the player if they want to fully participate in the event by farming for what they want or forego that option and choose to do daily missions, story missions, and challenge quests. A star trial is the prime example of optional. Once you get enough stars needed for a unit, you then have the option to choose whether or not you want more resources (specific drops from missions) or to level up your units further by doing story/daily missions and challenge quests.

Just because people talk about how they want x unit or y unit doesn't mean you have to follow every word they say. For example, you can choose to skip Lynn if you believe she won't be useful for you in the long run. You then clear every mission for the SC reward and then go back to leveling up units. You don't have to perfect every unit and it will put a burden on yourself if you do that for every event. Choosing to perfect every unit will dwindle your resources and that will put you in a tight bottleneck, making you feel like you need a break every time. If you make a team strong enough early, then future events will be easier for you. That also means having a higher chance at a perfect unit. I have a second barracks with many rows of event units that I will never use. If I level them up, then I will be taking away resources from units that I really like to use and from units that could really use the level ups. The only event I will fully participate in, no questions asked, is an item collection event (requires spending 40 SC or more) because those units have been better than most event farm units.

Saion
11-11-2015, 10:59 PM
Is there any event after this with a similar difficulty as Solano's in the near future if we follow DMM's event timeline? I could only 32-star this one (without buffs), so i wanna be better prepared for the next difficulty spike.

I know both Charlotte and Yurina are easy events as i have played their revivals in DMM.

exk
11-11-2015, 11:51 PM
Is there any event after this with a similar difficulty as Solano's in the near future if we follow DMM's event timeline? I could only 32-star this one (without buffs), so i wanna be better prepared for the next difficulty spike.

I know both Charlotte and Yurina are easy events as i have played their revivals in DMM.

The one that I clearly recall is Paula's (Platinum Bishop) event. The final mission has the Maou boss who deals about 2k damage. It doesn't seem high at first, but when his health falls below 50% HP he will be able to attack from a distance and he can attack faster. He also has extremely high health so high DPS is needed if you want to kill him during the duration of a tank's buff. The other thing about this specific mission is that 2 shadow clones of him will spawn, who are slightly weaker than him but has the same properties. When all 3 are together, it is nearly impossible to tank all 3 of them at the same time. I've had an AW42 Jelius die (5/5 skill used) instantly when I wanted him to tank all 3 of them.

I want to say more, but then I'll spoil the difficulty even further. It's better to experience it yourself just like how people liked Sorano's event after experiencing it. It took me a lot of SC and many tries before I was able to get a 3-star clear.

Saion
11-12-2015, 01:53 AM
The one that I clearly recall is Paula's (Platinum Bishop) event. The final mission has the Maou boss who deals about 2k damage. It doesn't seem high at first, but when his health falls below 50% HP he will be able to attack from a distance and he can attack faster. He also has extremely high health so high DPS is needed if you want to kill him during the duration of a tank's buff. The other thing about this specific mission is that 2 shadow clones of him will spawn, who are slightly weaker than him but has the same properties. When all 3 are together, it is nearly impossible to tank all 3 of them at the same time. I've had an AW42 Jelius die (5/5 skill used) instantly when I wanted him to tank all 3 of them.

I want to say more, but then I'll spoil the difficulty even further. It's better to experience it yourself just like how people liked Sorano's event after experiencing it. It took me a lot of SC and many tries before I was able to get a 3-star clear.

Well, just quickly glancing at the last stage, that certainly looks very scary and difficult. Around one year from now on though (though Nutaku likes skipping events and follow their own random order), hopefully that's enough time to prepare.

The loliness of Paula has me really worried if Nutaku is even gonna get her event though. Hopefully she gets a free pass like Shiho.

Daverost (Unregistered)
11-12-2015, 06:46 AM
Are people really having that hard of a time keeping up with events?

Even for Solano's event, which was really hard and took several retries, I had 32/36 stars within three or four days, leaving me the rest of the two weeks to do whatever I wanted. I've been spending it on her event to farm silvers for CC and using spare charisma to get fodder for leveling from story maps, but I could just as easily farm money or affection items or whatever else. With a ton of time to spare.

And I saw crystals come up. I'm a free player. I had 59 stocked up and nothing to do with them. Even though I had been using some on the tail end of the last few events to make sure I could cost limit Shiho and Lynn and get to a reasonable point for Len's boosts. That's not hard either.

We really don't need breaks. There's absolutely no reason. Not even for a week. There's an event going on RIGHT NOW and I'm already bored because I've finished it with more than a week left.

soranokira
11-12-2015, 08:05 AM
Are people really having that hard of a time keeping up with events?

Even for Solano's event, which was really hard and took several retries, I had 32/36 stars within three or four days, leaving me the rest of the two weeks to do whatever I wanted. I've been spending it on her event to farm silvers for CC and using spare charisma to get fodder for leveling from story maps, but I could just as easily farm money or affection items or whatever else. With a ton of time to spare.

And I saw crystals come up. I'm a free player. I had 59 stocked up and nothing to do with them. Even though I had been using some on the tail end of the last few events to make sure I could cost limit Shiho and Lynn and get to a reasonable point for Len's boosts. That's not hard either.

We really don't need breaks. There's absolutely no reason. Not even for a week. There's an event going on RIGHT NOW and I'm already bored because I've finished it with more than a week left.

point being, what about affection? if you've really managed to full aff Lynn, Len and shiho, then good for you, but not everyone is that lucky. and what about those newbies still too weak to do solano even though they're about 2 months old? and fyi, I spent 9 SCs, which got me about 18 Lynns, and I STILL couldnt max CR her. you being able to max CR Lynn can be said to be luck in itself.

Edit: and well, http://millenniumwaraigis.wikia.com/wiki/Event_Missions pretty much have people mentioning how brutal it is to start late in DMM aigis thanks to the back-to-back, and even 2 months in may not be able to get a solid team up and running for events. Hence my opinion that back-to-back isn't such a great idea. but *shrugs* it's also true that people will manage somehow, or just have to suck it up and fail events. Nobody will die, but it doesn't hurt to request for breaks.
For one thing, I'm actually perfectly fine with things if charisma can be used to farm stuff other than unit exp, and heard from charles that it's pretty much what subjugation is, so I'm hoping such stuff comes soon, and back-to-back is not an issue if the events in between are revivals, but if they're new...meh. and from what I can tell, at least the most recent jp event has a 1-2 day break in between (event ended 12/11, next event start 14/11)

Anonymous
11-12-2015, 08:37 AM
'I want to full affection everything!' and 'I was unlucky!' are even less effective arguments than were raised earlier in the thread.
Going off a few comments of people complaining will give you a false representation of the game, after all people will sooner rush to complain than they will to praise something. The only way to really know what it's like to play DMM is to go and play it. Also there's no break, just like every other event.

Saion
11-12-2015, 09:18 AM
at least the most recent jp event has a 1-2 day break in between (event ended 12/11, next event start 14/11)

The event has already started in DMM with no break. You're confusing it with the platinum puppeteer revival event, which starts at 14/11 and will run together with the event that has started for two days only.

soranokira
11-12-2015, 09:33 AM
The event has already started in DMM with no break. You're confusing it with the platinum puppeteer revival event, which starts at 14/11 and will run together with the event that has started for two days only.

ah ic, my mistake. I only skimmed through. thanks for the clarification.

lolix
11-12-2015, 10:31 AM
what i dont get is why the hell our server has to mirror the japanese one ? They already did that and failed in PPS> literally 80% of the players that are on a day to day basis on this forum left the game because of a series of issues , with burnout after back to back events being one of the most important. In japan that is not an issue. It is here tho. Noot everything has to fit the original. Also , we don't want to max aff everything , but as a player with 2 accouns , 1 over 140 and a second one over 130 (that i made 2-3 weeks before the odette event) , both strong enough to get a perfect solano (so i invested a bit of time in them...just a bit :p) , i can honestly tell you that even tho my second have way better units , including either better offense , like nanaly , or better gfarm units like cellia , most of my core team is not max affed. As i said , CORE team , simply becasue nutaku started releasing event after event after odette.

Unregistered
11-12-2015, 11:28 AM
You'll get your breaks in the form of 1.5x drop rate on dailies/1.5 story drop rates/2x awaking orb drop rate events. These usually happen every ~2 months(so roughly 4-6 events in between them). If you're not a regular spender these events are a much better crystal investment for catching up your team than doing the gatcha. They usually do have revivals running at the same time so you'll still have to make a choice if you want to farm an old unit or revival crystals though.

Tenhou
11-12-2015, 12:02 PM
what i dont get is why the hell our server has to mirror the japanese one ? They already did that and failed in PPS> literally 80% of the players that are on a day to day basis on this forum left the game because of a series of issues.

You know, most people who quit PPS due to the constant event and burn out (including me) did so because PPS events are totally different. You need to stay glued to the computer if you want the better rewards. In Aigis you only have a set amount of resources and then you need to wait HOURS for them to replenish so the burn out strength of this game is definitely not as big. So while i understand that you want a break now and then, using PPS as an example really is horrible.

That said, i have heard that later on we will get many units that are not going to be the best ever, even Shiho was supposedly not that great. So it is probably a wise idea to just get enough to get those girls, 3star everything and then do whatever you want. So in this case i can actually support continual events. If an event pops up with a unit that is slightly worse in every aspect than some other unit, are you going to max her out? Are you going to max out those silver and gold rogues despite getting access to Cypria? It's pretty much the same deal and is what many of the #nobreak people have been trying to tell. That many events are skippable because the units are horrid so you can just focus on getting 3star and a copy of the unit then go back to dailies and aff grinds.

Yes i am definitely getting more and more onto the #nobreak side. Up til now most events have been great units with a lot of use but that will not always be the case in the future, which is why they suggest "skipping" events (3star + unit copy).

Edit:
To add to that, we know what units will come in the events and how good they will be since we are behind the japanese version. We basically live in the best of worlds (well, with the exception of no lolis) since the japanese will constantly have to guess if a new unit is good or not, while we get force fed that information before the event even begins :P

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 12:45 PM
I said I didn't want to drag this out, but this is just fucking sad already.


point being, what about affection? if you've really managed to full aff Lynn, Len and shiho, then good for you, but not everyone is that lucky. and what about those newbies still too weak to do solano even though they're about 2 months old? and fyi, I spent 9 SCs, which got me about 18 Lynns, and I STILL couldnt max CR her. you being able to max CR Lynn can be said to be luck in itself.

You realize you're hurting your argument more and more? Absolutely nowhere does it say that you're supposed to max out affection for a unit as soon as you get her. Hell, even 50CC'ing characters can take a while for people. So why the HELL are you making that your argument?

I literally just 100%'d Daniela and Kerry for the first time this week, and I've been playing since launch. I haven't even CC'd Leanne/Dorca/Harissa or Valerie/Christopher yet, and I sure as hell haven't even touched Crave, Bernard, or the bandits. You think I have a mass surplus of affection items to just instantly 100% every character that comes my way? No, I focus on the ones I like and/or the ones that don't have to be CC'd to be 100% and/or the ones I'll use for life, like a good player should be doing.

If we were talking about Aria, or Anya, or Karma, etc., then yeah, you'd want to 100% those girls as soon as possible. But come the fuck on. Len? A unit who shouldn't be in the midst of battle to begin with AND gets incredibly shitty affection bonuses (until a later patch)? Why the hell are you wasting your resources on her instead of some archer or healer that'll always be useful? At least Lynn and Shiho fill various niches that you'd want to 100% them at some point, but even then, they shouldn't be high priority.

All these asinine arguments about wanting to delay events and slowing the game down for everyone just because you want the game to cater to your compulsive perfectionist tendencies is exactly why I'm getting pissed off with you people. You're not thinking about the newbies at all. You're thinking about only yourself, someone who doesn't know how to use their time in this game properly and wants everyone else to suffer because of it.

Daverost (Unregistered)
11-12-2015, 12:48 PM
point being, what about affection? if you've really managed to full aff Lynn, Len and shiho, then good for you, but not everyone is that lucky.

Every unit I have is class-changed and capped on affection. And I have more than enough affection items to cap Solano as soon as we get her.

What do you think I was doing doing the six week break of nothing?

And hell, like I said, I can continue to farm more affection items if I want since I have about 5.5 days left to do so before the event is over. I don't need them, though, so I'm choosing to farm silver units instead.


This isn't hard.

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 01:13 PM
what i dont get is why the hell our server has to mirror the japanese one ? They already did that and failed in PPS> literally 80% of the players that are on a day to day basis on this forum left the game because of a series of issues , with burnout after back to back events being one of the most important. In japan that is not an issue. It is here tho. Noot everything has to fit the original. Also , we don't want to max aff everything , but as a player with 2 accouns , 1 over 140 and a second one over 130 (that i made 2-3 weeks before the odette event) , both strong enough to get a perfect solano (so i invested a bit of time in them...just a bit ) , i can honestly tell you that even tho my second have way better units , including either better offense , like nanaly , or better gfarm units like cellia , most of my core team is not max affed. As i said , CORE team , simply becasue nutaku started releasing event after event after odette. Yeah, it's such an awful thing that we're finally starting to mirror DMM's event schedule. The fact that Nutaku Aigis lost a decent amount of its community to DMM because we weren't getting any closer to DMM's later content, but instead getting further and further away means nothing to you, apparently. And it's totally not Nutaku's fault that you've apparently neglected to max affection your core team in the time that we had nothing but breaks. Jesus, can your arguments get any worse?

exk
11-12-2015, 02:14 PM
This is the result of playing on the DMM server for over a year: http://imgur.com/a/p4XKV

Playing through the DMM version with back-to-back events has never been a problem. I have missed some events as a new player, but I never complained about it and in the end I never needed those units at all nor do I feel like I missed anything.

@lolix
Do you seriously think you can get every single of these units to min-cost, max skill, and max affection/trust? That's impossible unless you spend a lot of SC during every event. Not every event unit I have is at min-cost nor do I plan on using all of them. There are some units that I stopped using even after class changing them and getting them to a high level. Kerry, the tutorial unit I got from the beginning, still has 0% affection.

Most of the SC I've used were for leveling up units I like and I want to use. I've also spent a lot of SC on farming for Demon Crystals because it costs 100 of them to awaken a week. You can't expect to do that every week without draining resources (silver units, gold, aw orbs, etc.). I can say for sure that I have spent over 50 SC farming Phalanx 2 and probably at least 100 SC farming Demon Crystals.

lolix
11-12-2015, 02:29 PM
Yeah, it's such an awful thing that we're finally starting to mirror DMM's event schedule. The fact that Nutaku Aigis lost a decent amount of its community to DMM because we weren't getting any closer to DMM's later content, but instead getting further and further away means nothing to you, apparently. And it's totally not Nutaku's fault that you've apparently neglected to max affection your core team in the time that we had nothing but breaks. Jesus, can your arguments get any worse?

I think you might have missed the point where i said that i started my SECOND account 2 weeks before odette's event ? Yeah , i generally did farmed and considering the short time span , i have a decently strong team. I think for a new account , being able to 3 star everything except flame beast X and mighty ogre X (because i needed a karma) is decent enough , and i think i managed my time and resources well enough considering the circumstances. That being said , i dare you to try making a new account and try to raise it a bit and see how it feels.

Edit exk , do you honestly feel that this server is ready for awakening ? Also , do you think there are people with the amount of financial resources to play that style ? Even if nutaku is here to make money . they can't cut out their f2p players entirely. That being said , i wasn't event talking about perfecting evenry unit. My first account has most units max aff-ed because of the break , with the sole exception of a cellia (which i got recently) , bashira , len and Lyn. The problem i was presenting was that newer players didn't got that break period to farm and stack those resources up. For example , i was so bored during the break , that i made an entirely different account 2 weeks before the odette event started. I managed to raise it fast and strong enough to get a cr 4 , skill 11 odette (and i'm a free player). That is to show that i'm not a slacker or fucked arround with my xp/gold/aff farming. Still , right now , i don't even have all my healers max aff-ed (i managed to get a fedora recently. I was running s7lvers untill now) , and my tank is still lvl 47 cced but at 50% aff. Bashira is at 0 aff , and katie is at 32%. Those are all core items....on a lvl 131 account. I'm not asking for perfect units all the time. But you guys don't realize that new players still need resources to grow and develop. Taking a week of break is hardly big enough disruption for people to get so pissed , and would indeed give newer players a chance to develop a bit. I mean , if the newbies are already behind the curve , and the events will only get harder and harder , it's obvious the newbies will give up. Older players quit all the time for various reasons , and newbies don't even try anymore becasue the server is so advanced. How do you maintain a player base like that ?

exk
11-12-2015, 03:04 PM
It is up to the player to decide on what to do their time. If they want their team to become stronger, then they have to choose to use that time to make their team stronger. Progress can't be made through events alone. It is not mandatory to use their time on every event. It's just like I said before registering, every event is optional. Missing one or two event units isn't the end of the world. I have used event units as exp food for other units just because I won't find a use for them. I even fed a perfect Star Trial unit to another unit because I don't like their design and spent most of the event making my team even stronger.

Nutaku shouldn't be the one deciding how a player should play. They are there to provide the content for the playerbase.

Financial resources? I merely spend $10~30 every 2 months. That's not really excessive at all or in the whale territory. I spend that much because I like the game and I'm showing my support. Most of the SC can be earned in-game through events. You can earn 18~24 SC per month through events alone as long as they happen continuously.

lolix
11-12-2015, 03:48 PM
you people are all radicals.Honestly. It's pointless to argue with you guys this way , even if the solution we proposed was quite a moderate one. So i'll stop , but before that i'll ask a simple question : would you quit if they gave a break of a couple days once every couple events ? probably not. I'm assuming most wouldn't. I for example would quit (did it before in different games. When a games becomes more of a chore then fun , then it's pointless to play. ANd before you tell me that i don't need to get all possible units...well , i can't. It triggers my OCD. By now you people should udnerstand that games like this make their money out of that. That is the whole point of collecting games : to collect things) because of burnout if they didn't. While , i as a player , represent an insignifiant minority , the simple fact that there are people like me on this forum , and the fact that we reached a ridiculous 5-6 page argument, kinda means that i'm not the only one that feels they are burning out the players.

Now nutaku kinda has to chose : between players that want event after event or players that needs breaks to no burn out. If you are nutaku , which one do you consider as the lesser evil and which one has the least risk of leaving if they don't get their way ? I just hope nutaku realises this and do decide to go pro break at least out of fear of losing money. Trying to convince one side or the other is pointless , even tho the "pro break" has literally no downside other then not being able to do events for a couple of days. Even as an veteran player , after having a crap event , and getting a very bad unit , at least you get the time to play with it a bit , raise it ....discover it's nieche , maybe collect another hentai scene , and so on. Literally the only downside is getting a new event a couple days later... .A new event in which you're going to get another unit u will never use. I wonder what is even the joy of completing an event if you don;t even care about the units.

Other then that , i give up. If you people feel that such a radical aproach to the game is the best....well i honestly hope your support of event after event doesn't come to bite us all in the ass , with nutaku deciding to trow either farm/collect events 1 after the other .....

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 04:06 PM
This isn't even about the suggestion anymore. It's about your pitiful attempts to justify it.

Really, it's utterly laughable that you try to make yourselves out to be the good guys when you never once think about how going against the current status quo, when veteran players clamored so hard for the devs to step up and make our server closer to theirs, could easily backfire by suddenly reversing stance.

What happens when the breaks suddenly get longer again? We don't even get anywhere near as much compensation for delays as DMM does. Nutaku Aigis' community could very easily collapse again, and more people could end up jumping ship to DMM. All because you can't make amends with your OCD and you hide your entitlement by claiming to think of the newbies.

Side note: I have massive OCD issues too. The difference is, I put my money where my mouth is and don't let it interfere with anyone else's gaming experience.

lolix
11-12-2015, 04:22 PM
and somehow you fail to see the point again. Regardless of what are my personal motivations for wanting breaks (duh , we all prioritize ourselfs , exactly as you're doing it as well. You have money to burn , so time , affection/xp are not things you really care about. You care about a lot more about your enjoyment , and considering the other issues are not a problem for your progress ingame , it's obvious you won't need a break to raise your stock again. At least don't act like you're a selfless human being that does it for the entire comunity) , the fact is that breaks DO favor newbies , and the fact is nobody asked for long breaks , or even often breaks at that. They only reason they would provide long breaks is if they have some sort of issues to solve , in which case that would hardly be the fault of players that asked for a couple days of break. You even suggesting that is ridiculous in itself.

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 04:30 PM
No, you're missing the point by not understanding how this works on the devs' end.

I'll say it as many times as I need to. Nine months. It took nine months of pressuring the devs to cut the bullshit and stop giving us 2-3 week breaks, instead of the back-to-back schedule that DMM started with and always had.

Now we finally have that schedule. It's barely been two months since then, and now you suddenly want them to cut back on that progress. What message does that send to the devs? "The old way we handled events was better." That is not the message ANYONE wants to send.

lolix
11-12-2015, 05:07 PM
or we could say something like " Hey , you know what ? Let's do something in between ". I think the devs are not completly retarded to go eitther one way or the other. How hard is that to get ? Ever heard of compromises ? Only little kids trow fits when things don't go their way. Adults compromise

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 05:17 PM
The compromise is already there. You just won't see it because you don't benefit enough from it. Much like the little kid you are. <br />
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Besides, I'm not about to take that risk. Communication...

lolix
11-12-2015, 06:20 PM
i'm sorry what ? Do you even have a shred of ideea what you're talking about ? You do realize we ARE getting special treatment already ? Negative one at that. We aren't getting a big chunk of events because of whatever reasons. The compensation for unexpected delays are very poorly rewarded in comparation to DMM. Wer'e also not getting the revival events or the increase drops that the japanesse servers are getting that older players can use as legitimate breaks since they already have most units. even they do get breaks. We don't get those kind of events , and we are already treated worse. Yes i do think we deserve a bit of a preferential treatment. That being said , i'm the one trowing a fit , when i'm literally the only one looking for middle ground ? You guys are the radicals that are not looking to concede anything. Tell me exactly what have you proposed as a solution ? To suck it up ? What if people decide they don't want to suck it up ? what if they start leaving and mutaku decides the game ain't worth it anymore ? This is ofc an extreme example and not that likely to happen , but if it theoretically happens , is it worthlosing a big chunk of the player base , simply because your "selfless" self couldn't be bothered to waste a couple days doing something else then events ?

exk
11-12-2015, 06:37 PM
simply because your "selfless" self couldn't be bothered to waste a couple days doing something else then events ?

People can already do that.. while an event is happening. How come I didn't think of that earlier?

I guess you don't understand how to effectively use your time nor do you understand the concept of decisions. You place value on what you want to do. If you really want people to spend time to level up, then tell them to go level up and skip an event. That way they can go into the next event with a stronger team instead of gaining a unit they will have a hard time leveling up while also going into the next event with that still weak team.

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 06:49 PM
i'm sorry what ? Do you even have a shred of ideea what you're talking about ? You do realize we ARE getting special treatment already ? Negative one at that. We aren't getting a big chunk of events because of whatever reasons. The compensation for unexpected delays are very poorly rewarded in comparation to DMM. Wer'e also not getting the revival events or the increase drops that the japanesse servers are getting that older players can use as legitimate breaks since they already have most units. even they do get breaks. We don't get those kind of events , and we are already treated worse. Yes i do think we deserve a bit of a preferential treatment. That being said , i'm the one trowing a fit , when i'm literally the only one looking for middle ground ? You guys are the radicals that are not looking to concede anything. Tell me exactly what have you proposed as a solution ? To suck it up ? What if people decide they don't want to suck it up ? what if they start leaving and mutaku decides the game ain't worth it anymore ? This is ofc an extreme example and not that likely to happen , but if it theoretically happens , is it worthlosing a big chunk of the player base , simply because your "selfless" self couldn't be bothered to waste a couple days doing something else then events ?

Jesus, you're dense.

Getting 2-3 week breaks or barely any SC compensation isn't "negative" special treatment. That's called "neglect."

Getting back-to-back events like now was the devs' way of fixing that mistake. Hence, we are now on-track to being treated more fairly. I won't sugarcoat the fact that we'll always be their #2, so we obviously won't get all the perks of the main server. But what you're expecting to get out of them is special treatment like what you *think* is a better event schedule. THAT'S idiotic.

Furthermore, nobody said gold events are out, and revival events ARE confirmed to be in the works, so I don't know where the fuck you pulled that out of.

And you've consistently ignored all of the perfectly legitimate solutions to your OCD, so the only radical one here is you. Fact is, people ALREADY left this game for DMM when events were scarce. But there's less evidence of people leaving from being overwhelmed, and those people certainly aren't going to DMM where back-to-back events are commonplace. Those people either learned to cope with not having a perfect unit, or they stopped playing the game entirely. So your hypothetical scenario is you just pulling shit out of your ass to try to justify screwing the game's pace for everyone else.

Tenhou
11-12-2015, 06:56 PM
Oi, lolix, i would like to ask if you even read my post on the last page.

I will ask you the simple question:

We have two silver rogues, Cecily and Harissa. Are you going to get them both to 50CC50 and use them? I can understand EVENTUALLY max affing them for scenes, but are you going to use them? Feed every extra copy to them to make them "great" units?

If the answer is yes, then i guess i am out of this case.

If the answer is no, then you have to know that MANY event units will be just as useless as that Harissa/Cecily you just skipped raising fully. Will you still work on getting all those "useless" units to max skill and CR by mashing an event?

Because if not, then these events are the perfect ones to only 3star and get a copy of the unit from. The rest of those events you can do dailies at your own leisure and fill up your stock of items again. We will get MANY of those "useless unit" events in the future and we will most likely even be told this or be able to deem this ourselves ahead of time.

So in this case, we will not need breaks because all the units we get and won't use will overwhelm us and we can spend all those events just getting more rubies from phalanx 2.

lolix
11-12-2015, 07:30 PM
i actually got both silver thiefs cc-ed, lol ,for the H scenes. Harrisa is even max cr-ed and i use her as a very fast deploy unit...even more then cypria purely becasue of cost tenhou.

edit :eab - I'm pretty sure i said that we don't have those at the moment , nor does it seem like we have any revival event planet soon yet. Not saying that we won't have those in the future tho , so not sure how you got that. Also my hypothetical scenario involved people stoping to play entirely >> which is legit one of the most likely outcome in my case if we keep going at this pace. Not sure why would u believe i said that people would leave for said server.

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 07:38 PM
That's clearly a preference thing and you'd get far more mileage out of a mincost soldier. Both rogues are easily replaceable and the number of situations where they would actually being useful are small.

You would choose to focus your resources on mincosting them anyway. Fine.

But you would want the game to slow down for you so you could focus on more important units, when that's what you should have done to begin with. That's not fine.

lolix
11-12-2015, 07:46 PM
and why the hell are you assuming i maxed harrisa on the course of this 3 event back to back period ? Harrisa was cc-ed and lvled way before. I mincosted her becasue i got a crapload of copies which i had very little use and were simply wasting space. I already have cypria cc-ed as well and literally every other rogue cc-ed as well. I still got a couple extra silver rogues in case i will need for cc.

Tenhou
11-12-2015, 07:51 PM
But that is also my point, lolix. You won't be maxing every little unit you have will you? I can understand getting them to 30 and CCing to eventually aff them for scenes, but max leveling and stuff for many units is rather stupid. Which is what i want to get to with events - we will get many of those useless units in them too, that is how we get a break so to speak since they'll be in the same position as those silver units you never care to max out :P

lolix
11-12-2015, 08:00 PM
But that is also my point, lolix. You won't be maxing every little unit you have will you? I can understand getting them to 30 and CCing to eventually aff them for scenes, but max leveling and stuff for many units is rather stupid. Which is what i want to get to with events - we will get many of those useless units in them too, that is how we get a break so to speak since they'll be in the same position as those silver units you never care to max out :P

tenhou i get the feeling people are either dense or intentionally playing stupid. I am nost asking for large breaks , or even very often breaks. I asked for a couple of days once every 1-2 months or so (depending on what events we get). Assuming u get 1 week after 3-4 events , in which u will get 3-4 units , and assuming u do the monday dailies and the cristal dailies like we all do , would u have time to raise 300 aff items in 5 days ? Obviously not , unless u use SC , so from the start , we're all expecting we won't get perfect units. But getting a few days to do other stuff then event without having to sacrifice either a event unit (no matter how bad it is , most events give plats. Even a bad plat like shiho for example is probablu better then a non min cost caliope for example) , which free players don't get that many off. Especially newer ones.

Blaxer
11-12-2015, 08:06 PM
I don't recall subscribing to the "Break or no-break pros and cons" thread :confused:

Tenhou
11-12-2015, 08:08 PM
Will you necessarily need that mincost if you are new/free? I only managed a -1CR Echidna and she served me really well despite barely being upgraded. Nowadays i do not use her since i have better healers, but she served me well with just that -1CR during times when i actually needed her.

And right now at the stage i am at, she would probably seldom be used even if she was maxed out. So i'd say just getting a copy of a bad unit to temporarily have in your team is still very good and does not need much improvement.

As for the 300 aff item deal. This assumes that we get GOOD units in those events. The ones not being incorporated into the team can wait for a lucky day. During this event i have maxed out Bashira in less than a week and am halfway with Liana, so i'd say those "bad" events are plenty of time if you just grind phalanx2 after getting a copy and/or 3 starred every map.

Eab1990
11-12-2015, 08:09 PM
tenhou i get the feeling people are either dense or intentionally playing stupid. I am nost asking for large breaks , or even very often breaks. I asked for a couple of days once every 1-2 months or so (depending on what events we get). Assuming u get 1 week after 3-4 events , in which u will get 3-4 units , and assuming u do the monday dailies and the cristal dailies like we all do , would u have time to raise 300 aff items in 5 days ? Obviously not , unless u use SC , so from the start , we're all expecting we won't get perfect units. But getting a few days to do other stuff then event without having to sacrifice either a event unit (no matter how bad it is , most events give plats. Even a bad plat like shiho for example is probablu better then a non min cost caliope for example) , which free players don't get that many off. Especially newer ones.

And you keep ignoring us when we say that there are breaks during events where mincosting the unit in question is fruitless or useless and you were better off doing other things.

I literally just said in the other post that I just 100%'d Daniela and Kerry just this week. Because they were low priority, and I obviously had other units to focus on.

Just because you're unable to prioritize what you should be focusing on doesn't mean everyone else has to waste time doing something else. Key word: waste. You even used the word yourself. You know that people would rather be doing other things. But you don't care.

There is literally no good reason to slow down the game. Period.

soranokira
11-12-2015, 08:10 PM
Decided to add in something as quotes from other dmm players, since nobody reads my previous link. and I CBA to continue discussion with people who just wants to ramble around the same point.
I will just say that I do not deny that the discussions have let me lean further away from break, but overall I'm still pro break. simply because it's less stressful.

Edit: just to add on, my current opinion is that there is an issue here which is that things is going to be tough for newbies in back-to-back. adding a slight break may be a solution, or maybe we can have something else. But nobreak faction thus far has only rejected the arguments that newbies would get to enjoy breaks and basically telling newbies and those who can't manage to somehow manage or suck it up. Nothing wrong with that, but there's no point carrying on if there's no solution to be found.


I'm so glad I started on nutaku early. Playing on dmm is so hard for me. Every event I need specific unit I don't have. Needed witch so i leveled 2 and somehow managed to get maxed star trial unit. Then I needed additional healing so i leveled my priest warrior. Platinum healer. Leveled event unit. Strong archer. Bough Spica. Aw healer. Well, I was doomed not enough time for that. Now at least 2 strong soldiers and 3 heavies and I only have Katie and 2 HA. Damn, I just can't keep up with everything. I'm working on 1 thing and I need the other one. I'm starting to work on the other one and I need additional 2 I don't have. Not to mention it's impossible to get decent amount of DC with those constant events. At least it's a lot of fun cause each week is like getting Solano's difficulty event and you need to figure how to deal with it.

It's not unmanageable, yes. but doesn't mean it feels great not being able to keep up with everything during back-to-backs.


It's only hard cause you don't have specific units which are best for that kind of mission and need to work around it. Most of those event I would be able to clear with units I already have here. The problem is that if you want to clear events you need a solid team and specific units that will help you in that particular event but you start with nothing and it's hard to catch up. You also lack event units that everybody who plays for some time has. No Rowanna that is immune to paralyze and can tank dracolich, no Karma that can cheat with her immortality, no bishop/shaman that can switch between healing and attacking. It's funny how units that are rather useless for most of missions now cause they are too gimmicky are a necessity later.


Well, I started playing on DMM around two months ago, maybe more... It was tough as hell at first, but with a little help from Sacred Crystals and a lot (a lot) of luck, I managed to get units to form a very solid team. Namely, Ester, the black mage is pretty damn sick (extra range from affection, highest dam of all mages and increase atk skill).

Even so, I can only dream about awakening for now. I tried one of the awakening dailies and got squashed.

anyway, that aside, the new event in dmm looks fun. nanaly! prince! roy! leo! we're gonna fight against copies of our units xD

Unregistered
11-13-2015, 12:47 AM
I don't understand where "noobs know what to do on a break" is coming from to warrant a more relaxed event schedule. Personally, seeing no events just tells me that I can take a break from the game and prioritize on something else.

starburst98
08-01-2017, 05:58 AM
bump due to the event revival. info is still relevant, especially for people that missed the event the first time.

Eab1990
08-01-2017, 06:15 AM
Remember when Mighty Ogres X and Flame Beast X kicked everyone's ass?

...Yeah, I still do. It's easy now that I can tokenize the fuck out of the hard parts, but still, even post-AW, it can still slip you up without some heavy ranged DPS.

Blaxer
08-01-2017, 08:46 AM
I'm waiting for STA to finally kick Flame Beast X's ass this time lol
I can't believe how difficult those maps were when they first came

http://i.harem-battle.club/images/2017/08/01/p3f.png