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    Valid point, unregistered. I got one copy in the last Raid Battle event before it ended.

    I'd still love to know how Rear Line Skills work, since as far as I've seen, you only get to pick from your front line skills in CB and I'm not sure how you even get into Rear Line (swap in-battle doesn't seem to work for me)

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    You need at least 6 people in the guild in order to go to the rear line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimalShade View Post
    You need at least 6 people in the guild in order to go to the rear line.
    So... I use the swap function with one of them, and can then use Rear Line skills in battle instead of Front Line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanLedah21 View Post
    So... I use the swap function with one of them, and can then use Rear Line skills in battle instead of Front Line?
    Yes, broadly. When you're rear line, you see different buttons, and all the options are different so you can't mistake it when you see it. It hadn't occurred to me that you have no rear line when there's less than 6 of you! In that case, rear-line skills would be useless. Unless you can set up preferences to start the battle in the rear line. But if you're a solo, would that mean you could not go front line either? These things I did not try when I first started, and now cannot try at all!

    Fortunately, getting 20 people to join your guild is incredibly easy - just mark your guild as auto accept and hit the recruit button. DP systems will throw every newbie it can at your guild until it is full. Getting active people is the hard part!

    Being able to use rear-line buff skills is a huge increase in your potential total damage. Being able to chain with team mates is another step change. Get both sorted, and your guild will be dealing hundreds of millions of damage per CB, even with relatively new players. If coordinated properly, just the front line buff from Ancient Dragon that everybody has is decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomancy View Post
    Yes, broadly. When you're rear line, you see different buttons, and all the options are different so you can't mistake it when you see it. It hadn't occurred to me that you have no rear line when there's less than 6 of you! In that case, rear-line skills would be useless. Unless you can set up preferences to start the battle in the rear line. But if you're a solo, would that mean you could not go front line either? These things I did not try when I first started, and now cannot try at all!

    Fortunately, getting 20 people to join your guild is incredibly easy - just mark your guild as auto accept and hit the recruit button. DP systems will throw every newbie it can at your guild until it is full. Getting active people is the hard part!

    Being able to use rear-line buff skills is a huge increase in your potential total damage. Being able to chain with team mates is another step change. Get both sorted, and your guild will be dealing hundreds of millions of damage per CB, even with relatively new players. If coordinated properly, just the front line buff from Ancient Dragon that everybody has is decent.
    So because I've been unable to figure out how to use Rear Line, I've been missing out on a ton of potential damage? Damn...
    Then again, I'm the only one in my guild who participates in every CB I'm not at work during (my guild has it set to Noon and 8 PM, and during the week noon is automatically out), but I often find 1-3 others chipping in. Still, Rear Line skills would buff me a lot, even if it's just me, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanLedah21 View Post
    So because I've been unable to figure out how to use Rear Line, I've been missing out on a ton of potential damage? Damn...
    Then again, I'm the only one in my guild who participates in every CB I'm not at work during (my guild has it set to Noon and 8 PM, and during the week noon is automatically out), but I often find 1-3 others chipping in. Still, Rear Line skills would buff me a lot, even if it's just me, right?
    Definitely. I am usually solo, or with one or two others who throw 3 or 4 attacks in just for the loot. It's different when it is a zodiac shrine week, but this week it is mostly just me. I have selected for support skills that reduce TP cost, because the main loot this week is AP potions, and what is the point in burning more AP potions than I am going to win? I am aiming to max my damage with no pot use.

    I start rear line, and launch a magic circle, then all the rear line buffs in that element. That usually gets me to around +7-10 million CB (number shows under the starting CB value), most of which is PHYS Attack bonus. I then swap front, and deal out attacks that give more bonus PHYS attack, followed by my big damage attacks when I am near the end of my TP reserves. As that relies on getting bonus TP in quest mode, sometimes it works out badly, and I run out of TP before I use the big attacks. Solo, on zero pot use, I vary between 20M damage and 60M damage on Nemesis - sadly Nemesis only has 2 targets at once, maximum. I can hit 100M in this way on some bosses.

    I have optimised with what I have - lots of max level skills - but I don't have a ton of rare cards. I should think if you are over 1M CB, you should be able to solo at least 10M damage if you use self buff rear line cards optimally. A good rule of thumb is to expect to spend nearly as many TP in the battle on your rear line buffs as you do your front line. Some people seem to go much further, and send in just 1 or 2 attacks but that is risky - enemy team could destroy half the targets at the wrong moment, and the good Support skills might not happen to activate.

    Just remember to keep an eye on what works, and which skills activated to make it work, so you get better at deck optimisation. I have been playing for months, and am still learning something new most weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomancy View Post
    Definitely. I am usually solo, or with one or two others who throw 3 or 4 attacks in just for the loot. It's different when it is a zodiac shrine week, but this week it is mostly just me. I have selected for support skills that reduce TP cost, because the main loot this week is AP potions, and what is the point in burning more AP potions than I am going to win? I am aiming to max my damage with no pot use.

    I start rear line, and launch a magic circle, then all the rear line buffs in that element. That usually gets me to around +7-10 million CB (number shows under the starting CB value), most of which is PHYS Attack bonus. I then swap front, and deal out attacks that give more bonus PHYS attack, followed by my big damage attacks when I am near the end of my TP reserves. As that relies on getting bonus TP in quest mode, sometimes it works out badly, and I run out of TP before I use the big attacks. Solo, on zero pot use, I vary between 20M damage and 60M damage on Nemesis - sadly Nemesis only has 2 targets at once, maximum. I can hit 100M in this way on some bosses.

    I have optimised with what I have - lots of max level skills - but I don't have a ton of rare cards. I should think if you are over 1M CB, you should be able to solo at least 10M damage if you use self buff rear line cards optimally. A good rule of thumb is to expect to spend nearly as many TP in the battle on your rear line buffs as you do your front line. Some people seem to go much further, and send in just 1 or 2 attacks but that is risky - enemy team could destroy half the targets at the wrong moment, and the good Support skills might not happen to activate.

    Just remember to keep an eye on what works, and which skills activated to make it work, so you get better at deck optimisation. I have been playing for months, and am still learning something new most weeks.
    Good to know, most of the cards I have in my deck atm, due to being focused on front-line skills I wound up with a lot of Rear Line support skills that buff the front line (which being Rear Line means I don't benefit). Guess I need to revamp my deck, huh?

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