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    Isn't this game a bit overpriced?

    Lets get for example the 10 chains gacha that's active now for 1500N gold the first draw (3000N the rest).

    On average the 10 cards you draw from here will give you (looking at the drop rates via the website):

    7.6~ rares
    1.9~ SR
    0.3~ SSR
    0.01~ LR

    The same as drawing 10 rare gachas basically because they rarely change the drop rates for anything (but they really should). The only upside here is that you get a guaranteed SR (that you were probably going to get anyway) and the gold arcana bonus item.

    So when you do the first draw you will probably get 8R, 2SR and 1 gold arcana for 15€.

    During the many events that take place usually I manage to get, if not one, several SR cards every day, it seems to me just plain stupid to pay 15€ or 30€ for a gacha that won't make you progress at all in the game unless you are a newcomer.

    On a game like this where:
    -There's not a consistent wording through all the game features.
    -They don't even look to have a good guide.
    -Support tickets get several days to be addressed, if addressed at all.
    -There are still some gamebreaking bugs (already reported).

    Maybe I was wrong with something said above but paying 30€ is A LOT, at least for me paying on such an unreliable game like this one is a big deal, I expect some returns from my money, but paying that quantity for essentially nothing is just nuts.

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    I wouldn't say so. There are always errors in translation no matter the language you are translating so it's to be expected, after all this isn't french we're translating to english. Japanese is a pretty complex langauge so it is a bit hard to flawlessly convert into a simple language like english.

    And considering it's fairly easy to acquire medals you don't really need to pay for rares (except for LR's i'm still not sure if those drop naturally in any gachas).
    I'd say this is actually a fair bargain since you can pay for consumables with either cash, bells, or medals, unlike other games where consumables are only available through micro-transactions or months of grinding.

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    I'm not saying that the rest of the system is not fine, if it wasn't I wouldn't even be playing by now, but I thought about getting some gold to spend and just looking through the options offered I see that the value given for the money spent is very little, you can spend 30€ and end in the same spot you began, and 30€ is not a little ammount at all. If they want to keep those prices they should either take a bit of care for their game, or give more value out of the money spent.

    But aside from that, there's no excuse for the language/game guide thing happening on the game. If they want to make the game in english they should have someone able to effectively make the translations. Heck, english is not my first language and I could do most of the translations more clear than them, and it's actually my third language! We are talking about inconsistencies and a guide that just makes no sense for newcomers (for example the conquest battle/zodiac shrine thing is a mess and no one gets how it goes after a couple of weeks), in my opinion there's not really an excuse for that to be happening now... Even now I don't know some things like what are the form input settings and still no one could answer me what is going on with them, not even support answered me.

    Edit: Maybe I didn't make my point clear, but in the end is just that the quality of the game does not justify the pricing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biodeamon View Post
    I wouldn't say so. There are always errors in translation no matter the language you are translating so it's to be expected, after all this isn't french we're translating to english. Japanese is a pretty complex langauge so it is a bit hard to flawlessly convert into a simple language like english.

    And considering it's fairly easy to acquire medals you don't really need to pay for rares (except for LR's i'm still not sure if those drop naturally in any gachas).
    I'd say this is actually a fair bargain since you can pay for consumables with either cash, bells, or medals, unlike other games where consumables are only available through micro-transactions or months of grinding.
    LRs do drop naturally. I got Holy Dragon and Zeus naturally. I'd understand if you took this with a grain of salt because it's testimony from an anon without video proof, but I'm being truthful.

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    Yes, the .124% Legend drop rate does apply to the "natural" rare gacha that you can get free via medals.

    I definitely can't argue against how clunky and inconsistent a lot of the descriptions/help/wording in the game is. Along with the interface, that's what kept me from really getting into it in its first few weeks. I was lucky enough to join a helpful guild right off the bat and the sharing of knowledge helped a ton--there was no way I would have figured out most of the stuff I learned faffing about on my own.

    As for prices, you'll get plenty more value out of specials like the Fever gacha or even the Sugoroku slot that's up now. Buying the 1500 gold lucky bag will give you a 10 draw with lots of exclusive SR and SSR in the pool, plus you'll move spaces on the Sugoroku board as well from which I believe you are guaranteed at least one of the new SR even if you get the minimum 40 steps. If you're lucky you can clear the first sheet right away and get one of the new SSR. The Fever gachas are an even better value if you're looking to not spend so much. You usually get a free ticket anyway, then they start at 300 gold and have really good odds of nabbing at least an exclusive SR.
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    I'ts not "a bit" overpriced, its overpriced A LOT.

    Well, free player with some luck can get power to perfom well even on top-5 guild conquests... but surely 90% cards payer-only.
    Very hard payer, like 10 x Overwatch cost.

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    Its definitely over priced but I think the biggest thing is how much you have to spend in order to be actually overpowered. Getting 1-2 LR is not enough now to really dish out a lot of dmg in cb's. One of the guys in my guild hit 230b (There was the 2x bonus from last week but still) with just one skill due to having 5 LRs and also a lot of other powerful/rare SSR/SR. This guys dropped thousands on the game to. Just for comparison My guilds also got some "casual" spenders who have probably dropped a few hundred on it and best case scenario they might be able to do like 4-5b consistently in a cb while the other guy can do 40b+ consistently. Comparing to a f2p with my pure dmg deck I could consistently do 1b but with a lot of luck i might hit 2.5b total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthius View Post
    Yes, the .124% Legend drop rate does apply to the "natural" rare gacha that you can get free via medals.

    I definitely can't argue against how clunky and inconsistent a lot of the descriptions/help/wording in the game is. Along with the interface, that's what kept me from really getting into it in its first few weeks. I was lucky enough to join a helpful guild right off the bat and the sharing of knowledge helped a ton--there was no way I would have figured out most of the stuff I learned faffing about on my own.

    As for prices, you'll get plenty more value out of specials like the Fever gacha or even the Sugoroku slot that's up now. Buying the 1500 gold lucky bag will give you a 10 draw with lots of exclusive SR and SSR in the pool, plus you'll move spaces on the Sugoroku board as well from which I believe you are guaranteed at least one of the new SR even if you get the minimum 40 steps. If you're lucky you can clear the first sheet right away and get one of the new SSR. The Fever gachas are an even better value if you're looking to not spend so much. You usually get a free ticket anyway, then they start at 300 gold and have really good odds of nabbing at least an exclusive SR.
    Lets compare with a successful free card game, hearthstone.

    Lets say that LR cards are the same as Legendary cards for hearthstone (top rarity that you can get from random draws). You get one every 20 packs and you can buy 40 at 50€, so one legendary card costs in average 25€ (plus all the rest of cards you get that you can trade later for dust and more legendaries), so lets say 20€ for a legendary card, probably less.

    What you get here for 20€: I've tried that sugoroku thing with steps and it seems clearly programmed to end most of the time on the lower end of the steps you go forward, never went with more than 100 steps at once (and that with the double step bonus!), got some SSR, not that much of a boost really.

    To get a LR you need to get to the third sheet, I calculate that you need about 15-20 draws to achieve that, lets be optimistic and stick with 15, with the lucky bags you get each draw at 15€ so around 225€ to get the LR plus a bunch of SSR probably that won't help you get any higer rarity cards.

    I don't believe that the sugoroku slot gives a good value for your money either, from now on I will definitely won't spend any money on this game and I wouldn't recomment anyone doing it until they fix their pricing, that in the end would net them more money probably...

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    Bringing up comparisons to mainstream games like Hearthstone and Overwatch isn't going to prove anything. If you aren't using other Nutaku/DMM games or something else in the niche H-game market where prices are obviously higher, then you're invalidating the whole argument.

    Looking at other Nutaku card games like AS/DT/DS 10-chain draws are/were in the 2000-2500 gold range discounted and 4500-5000 normally. Some of their big cash cows like OI have super ridiculous gachas where you have to spend at least 10,000 for it to be even worth it. I'd say DP falls more on the side of having better values really.

    I'm not here to argue with you, if it isn't your cup of tea and you think its overpriced then I respect your stance. DP quickly grew to be and remains one of Nutaku's most popular games, so obviously that's a minority opinion. I'm personally happy with what the ~2500 gold I usually put toward it a month has gotten me.
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    You can't calculate the price for a game with gacha like that.
    7.6~ rares
    1.9~ SR
    0.3~ SSR
    0.01~ LR
    its not like u get a ssr/lr and that is the one you like, for card like shenlong, leviathan, Ifrit etc.(like other card u see people getting all day everyday), these card probably is like 2-10 times easier to get compare to other card like Izanami(this card really exist in 10x gacha or fever gacha), Livyatan etc.

    Conclusion: You never have enough $ to get all cards

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