Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Good b8 m8.

I'm saying FKG community is like a prissy wife. This thread is a testament to that.
I've said my two cents worth.

For the record, I would have left after five minutes. Nameless doesn't owe us jack shit, and I'm surprised he gave us that much time considering the reaction he was given to giving us back a feature everyone spent a month begging for.

I don't know what kind of bouquet you bought to piss off your wife that badly, but perhaps you should let the florist pick out the flowers for you next time?

Also, the playerbase was "begging" them to give back a feature that was, according to the devs, "mistakenly removed" in the first place. We shouldn't have to beg them to fix what was, at the time, thought to be a mistake.

But then out of nowhere they announced the newer ranking system. So it's obvious they withheld the true reason for removing the old ranking list, probably exactly for the same reason they are receiving backlash now.
So Nutaku, being as transparent as ever (as transparent as the Great Wall of China), withheld information and the real reason for the removal of the old ranking system to make time to force this new one down our throats.

Classic Nutaku move. You're free to continue to excuse their actions if you wish though.

So, ranking-based rewards are implied, but not defined or implemented yet. Thanks.

Well, I guess how much I care about this will heavily depend on said rewards. I see three basic outcomes.

1) Inconsequentials and conveniences. Ampies, Manyu, dragons, seeds, maybe some gems or energy. Maybe 5*/6* tickets or dressblooms for those super high ranks. I see zero issue with this. Let them wave about; it doesn't affect me.

2) Exclusives. Some 5*s or 6*s that cannot be gained unless you rank during a given time period. Perhaps they get added later on for the rest of us in a gacha or a reissue, perhaps they remain permanently exclusive. Not a fan of this, especially if the exclusives are significantly more powerful (or have special abilities, etc) than normal ones. On the other hand, though, it's not like 6*s are normally within my grasp anyway, so... Eh. Don't like, but doubt I'd leave over it.

3) Strong-arm tactics. It becomes harder (or impossible) to get the event 5*s within the alloted 2 weeks if you're not global-ranking-quality. Perhaps they let higher-ranking players regen energy or raid points at an increased rate, and events start to be balanced around THAT, instead of the normal regen rate. Or to put it more bluntly, if you don't pay a minimum of $XYZ a month, you won't be able to do any content well enough to acquire anything. That I would have a problem with, and would likely be a very swift exit for me.

I hope for #1, or at the very least a #2 that opens up to everyone after a few months or so. Can only wait and see though.

Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Good b8 m8.

I'm saying FKG community is like a prissy wife. This thread is a testament to that.
I've said my two cents worth.

For the record, I would have left after five minutes. Nameless doesn't owe us jack shit, and I'm surprised he gave us that much time considering the reaction he was given to giving us back a feature everyone spent a month begging for.

Are you for real now?

NOBODY asked for ranking rewards.

Why the fuck are people turning this around on the naysayers, when it's Nutaku who's adding shit that nobody asked for and only whales benefit from it?

You're like that one whale who shall not be named who says "any game that doesn't have PVP is garbage and not worth spending on" --> *proceeds to dump money on Angelic Saga/Sengoku Providence/other whalebait games*. AKA, an opinion that rightly gets him ridiculed for it.

If Nutaku suddenly added PVP elements just to appease that guy and at the risk of alienating 99% of the rest of the playerbase, are you going to whine that people are bullying Nameless for adding it?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

2) Exclusives. Some 5*s or 6*s that cannot be gained unless you rank during a given time period. Perhaps they get added later on for the rest of us in a gacha or a reissue, perhaps they remain permanently exclusive. Not a fan of this, especially if the exclusives are significantly more powerful (or have special abilities, etc) than normal ones. On the other hand, though, it's not like 6*s are normally within my grasp anyway, so... Eh. Don't like, but doubt I'd leave over it.

This would be bad too. Especially if this becomes the only way to unlock serial code FKGs... oh god, what a horrible thought.

IMHO as a noob, TP ranking is not bad but is not good. It is useless for me because I know I will never EVER be in the top rank. I also don't aim to be the top player coz players in this forum look like GODS to me with their sig full of Level 70 Rainbow girls. If this game closes however I will be pissed.

But why do you guys hate Nutaku?

They provide us with English games. I don't wanna play on DMM - I can't understand Japanese.

What if they read this and ban us??? I mean they know our id's right?

What if Blood is Nameless' brother??? Just joking. LOL!

Originally Posted by Eab1990

This would be bad too. Especially if this becomes the only way to unlock serial code FKGs... oh god, what a horrible thought.

I agree, it would be bad if they got exclusives. Especially if said exclusives were permanently exclusive, and not released to the general playerbase in some other manner a few months down the line, kind of like how we get reissues for late players.

...But I'm not sure it would be bad enough to make me leave. I'm jealous of every single helper squad I see with Lycoris, I would *love* to get her (or the slightly-more-likely Setaria), but... let's be honest, I won't ever get her. That's life, or perhaps more specifically that's statistics. I make no distinction between the roughly 0.001% chance to pull her with gems, and a 0% chance to pull her if she were exclusive. The thought of someday pulling her is not what keeps me going in FKG - I keep playing because of the shinies I can earn through guaranteed event pulls and RNG gems obtained through those guaranteed events and logins.

*Those* are what make it worthwhile to me. Maybe not to you, per se - different people play for different reasons - but for *me*. Take *that* away, or throw a paywall inbetween me and that, and I'll leave. Everything else is either a happy stroke of luck or random annoyances. But to each their own.

Either way, though, I think it's a bit too early to preach fire and brimstone. I'll reserve my judgment of whether to hop to DMM or not for when they announce what, exactly, the rewards will be.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Are you for real now?

NOBODY asked for ranking rewards.

Why the fuck are people turning this around on the naysayers, when it's Nutaku who's adding shit that nobody asked for and only whales benefit from it?

You're like that one whale who shall not be named who says "any game that doesn't have PVP is garbage and not worth spending on" --> *proceeds to dump money on Angelic Saga/Sengoku Providence/other whalebait games*. AKA, an opinion that rightly gets him ridiculed for it.

If Nutaku suddenly added PVP elements just to appease that guy and at the risk of alienating 99% of the rest of the playerbase, are you going to whine that people are bullying Nameless for adding it?

The main thing I see why this is getting "turned around on the naysayers" is because just from what I've read in this thread, some of you are coming across as argumentative, spoiled and self-important. The post I quoted here is a prime example of that and if it's even remotely indicative of how things went down in Discord earlier then I can't blame anyone for not wanting to subject themselves to it longer than they have to, no matter their job.

I happen to agree with Bloodsport Bloom here; if there's a system that rewards whales without hampering casual players then I couldn't care less. I have no interest in virtual dick-waving in an otherwise non-competitive game. If some F2P players really feel cheated that paying players are getting an additional reward then they have a choice: pay, get over it or leave; it's not like anyone is making money off of them anyways and in case anyone forgot this game's purpose is generating revenue.

Speaking of generating revenue, I'm sure X-Overd wasn't shut down because it was profitable and I'm pretty sure that it hadn't been profitable for some time. Unless someone has concrete numbers, comparison and speculation using one game to try to predict the death of another is pointless.

Eh. It's not the rarity I'm concerned with, it's the principle of it.

I was very quick to criticize their idiotic Bridal Cactace gacha from way back then. Likewise, I praised the fact that their Bridal Oncidium gacha was actually a solid deal.

I still don't have either bride to this day. Got Bridal Camellia though... for some reason.

If they pull some shit like "only the top 1000 players get Sinclairiana", then you can get bet I'll be part of the outcry.

Originally Posted by Taon

The main thing I see why this is getting "turned around on the naysayers" is because just from what I've read in this thread, some of you are coming across as argumentative, spoiled and self-important. The post I quoted here is a prime example of that and if it's even remotely indicative of how things went down in Discord earlier then I can't blame anyone for not wanting to subject themselves to it longer than they have to, no matter their job.

I happen to agree with Bloodsport Bloom here; if there's a system that rewards whales without hampering casual players then I couldn't care less. I have no interest in virtual dick-waving in an otherwise non-competitive game. If some F2P players really feel cheated that paying players are getting an additional reward then they have a choice: pay, get over it or leave; it's not like anyone is making money off of them anyways and in case anyone forgot this game's purpose is generating revenue.

Speaking of generating revenue, I'm sure X-Overd wasn't shut down because it was profitable and I'm pretty sure that it hadn't been profitable for some time. Unless someone has concrete numbers, comparison and speculation using one game to try to predict the death of another is pointless.

Argumentative? Fine. But "spoiled and self-important"? How does any of that apply when this is not an original feature of DMM FKG?

If fucking KanColle ever got localized, but introduced a P2W system that wasn't in the original, how the fuck do you think most people would feel?

This isn't just about Nutaku making money. They make enough of that with the weekly sales that most people take advantage of when reasonable, or otherwise accepted. No, this is about them changing the way people play the game just to make a quick buck and fracture the playerbase further.

Well, at least the serial code knights are all balanced to be around as good as event girls, so they won't be very useful from a min/max standpoint.

That said, I think one important distinction between DMM and Nutaku's management of FKG is that, had the DMM side announced such a mechanic and gotten such a reception, they would've held an emergency maintenance, dismantled the offending system, and handed out apology stones by now. We know this because they did it before, repeatedly, on both substantial and trivial issues.

There was a case where a banner on the site featured a promotional character with glasses for a few hours, this banner was eventually changed to remove her glasses (a capital offense, to be sure, but read on) and the players questioned what was going on. Their response was to come up with a complete new system that allows you to change between the glasses and non-glasses versions of that character, satisfying both glasses fans and I guess the odd disgusting abomination who doesn't like bespectacled girls (it's hard to believe that people can have such terrible tastes, but they apparently exist).

Similarly, Calla's event initially involved a girl-locking mechanic a la Kancolle, which was immediately hated by every player for obvious reasons. DMM's response, rather than telling their players to deal with it, was to take the game down for a day, remove all traces of the locking system, and give out a bunch of items in compensation. Cherry Sage's blooming art miffed the lolicon crowd because she suddenly gained an appreciable bustline, and they responded by re-commissioning her art and giving out flower stones to everyone. Character equipment was found to be useless by the players and got both a dedicated slot and a special upgrade system to take it up to scratch.

There are many other examples of poorly received systems being revamped or removed, and this kind of attitude is precisely why FKG has an incredibly loyal player base on the DMM side, all development is user-centric and tries to eliminate player complaints rather than offering an endless menagerie of excuses and damage control attempts. So yeah, here's hoping that Nutaku realizes what makes this game so popular, and either changes or decides against implementing this ranking rewards mechanic that has most of the community in an uproar.

Originally Posted by Taon

The main thing I see why this is getting "turned around on the naysayers" is because just from what I've read in this thread, some of you are coming across as argumentative, spoiled and self-important. The post I quoted here is a prime example of that and if it's even remotely indicative of how things went down in Discord earlier then I can't blame anyone for not wanting to subject themselves to it longer than they have to, no matter their job.

We're more aggressive here precisely because our voices were ignored or brushed off on Discord in the first place. They made minimal attempt to listen to our concerns, or explain themselves beyond "Lol don't worry guys." They're not giving anymore info to us despite it being in our best interests. Whenever we question their lack of communication, they'd treat it as if we were attacking or trolling everybody.

In any normal circumstance, I would absolutely give them the benefit of the doubt first before complaining. But this isn't the first time, as Nutaku has a notorious history of not communicating with us adequately, along with their terrible management that has resulted in many game shutdowns and dead playerbases.

So forgive me if we seem, god forbid, a bit skeptical and confrontational of the way they appear to mismanage their games and make questionable decisions every other month.

I'm sure you'd be a bit disgruntled too if the restaurant you keep visiting kept serving you the wrong dish.

I think it looks nice minus the typo for "strength"



I'm ranked #14

should lvl all my gurls not Rainbow only to lvl 70 - just taking my sweet sweet time