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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkraken View Post
    From what I've seen on the other forums, it seems that the payment processors have already agreed to almost all of the things people have been clamoring for (Nutaku was apparently successful using the "1000 year old dragon" defense or whatever).

    *However*, there is a possibility that they might have second thoughts about agreeing to it if they see messages about "lolis" plastered all over the Facebook and Twitter pages, which are significantly more public than these forums are. Stop using that trigger word where the processors are watching, and Nutaku will be able to make the changes you (and I, and pretty much everyone else) want, individual game devs notwithstanding.
    1) Well, first of all, I would like to clarify that I was not the one to post on facebook. Someone else more central to the community did. My first response was in this thread so you can't really ask me to stop doing something that I never did in the first place.

    2) From the same forums that you were looking at, I saw names like ebiller or whatever. Did you even hear of these names before? They pretty much don't even have any reputation to destroy. Nobody even knows about them. We aren't talking about actual banks here. Payment processors are different from banks and are pretty small in the scheme of things.

    3) Not to mention that how ridiculous it would be for them to have employees at work on NEW YEAR"S EVE looking at Nutaku's facebook. More like Nutaku are over rating their facebook.

    4) Nutaku Aigis has been around for almost a year. Full disclosure. I started aigis on nutaku so long ago (many months ago) that I had time to quit all nutaku games and then come back to Aigis 6 or 7 months later. There were art issues then and there are art issues now. Back then, they gave the same vague verbal diarrhea about all everything is going to get better. Fast forward to now and its almost the same. There are always some people believing their half threat / half promises without real results. We will see about this time. But for the more than 9 months that Nutaku Aigis has existed, the same rubbish about getting approval has been repeated for months.

    5) You need to get a better understanding. The "payment processors" cannot survive without attending to thousands of businesses. They don't have the individual manpower to come inspect or approve any particular company's stuff or artwork. These are the same guys that bill donations from blogs or wordpress. Do you know how much content they would have to inspect if they actually wanted to? They don't. The only people doing the approving is Nutaku. I highly doubt the payment processors are even a part of this process at all. They most likely act the same way to Nutaku that Nutaku acts to any customer. They don't have the time to communicate with Nutaku unless Nutaku submits a support ticket to them. More likely there is contractual wording that in the contract that Nutaku signed with the payment processor that binds them to self-censor. But Nutaku is 100% the approving authority. As I said before, Nutaku could easily get another payment processor without such terms in the contract. For more insight into this process, try setting up your own small website business.

    6) Because of the way Nutaku worded their reply, some people seem to have the misconception that the payment processor is some kind of regulatory authority. No they aren't. Most of them are weaker competition to paypal
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    While I agree that it's definitely on Nutaku that they should just find a different payment processor already so we don't have to deal with so much censorship bullshit, the Aigis devs have apparently already gone on record saying that they don't want to alter content or go out of their way to take the all-ages route on those characters.

    So that's not an option. Not that I blame them for not wanting to do extra unnecessary work. They've done their part in finally getting us a more consistent event schedule. Now it's on Nutaku to figure out how to stop the censorship from gimping us.
    Last edited by Eab1990; 12-31-2015 at 07:40 AM.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Slurpee View Post
    1) Well, first of all, I would like to clarify that I was not the one to post on facebook. Someone else more central to the community did. My first response was in this thread so you can't really ask me to stop doing something that I never did in the first place.

    2) From the same forums that you were looking at, I saw names like ebiller or whatever. Did you even hear of these names before? They pretty much don't even have any reputation to destroy. Nobody even knows about them. We aren't talking about actual banks here. Payment processors are different from banks and are pretty small in the scheme of things.

    3) Not to mention that how ridiculous it would be for them to have employees at work on NEW YEAR"S EVE looking at Nutaku's facebook. More like Nutaku are over rating their facebook.

    4) Nutaku Aigis has been around for almost a year. Full disclosure. I started aigis on nutaku so long ago (many months ago) that I had time to quit all nutaku games and then come back to Aigis 6 or 7 months later. There were art issues then and there are art issues now. Back then, they gave the same vague verbal diarrhea about all everything is going to get better. Fast forward to now and its almost the same. There are always some people believing their half threat / half promises without real results. We will see about this time. But for the more than 9 months that Nutaku Aigis has existed, the same rubbish about getting approval has been repeated for months.

    5) You need to get a better understanding. The "payment processors" cannot survive without attending to thousands of businesses. They don't have the individual manpower to come inspect or approve any particular company's stuff or artwork. These are the same guys that bill donations from blogs or wordpress. Do you know how much content they would have to inspect if they actually wanted to? They don't. The only people doing the approving is Nutaku. I highly doubt the payment processors are even a part of this process at all. They most likely act the same way to Nutaku that Nutaku acts to any customer. They don't have the time to communicate with Nutaku unless Nutaku submits a support ticket to them. More likely there is contractual wording that in the contract that Nutaku signed with the payment processor that binds them to self-censor. But Nutaku is 100% the approving authority. As I said before, Nutaku could easily get another payment processor without such terms in the contract. For more insight into this process, try setting up your own small website business.

    6) Because of the way Nutaku worded their reply, some people seem to have the misconception that the payment processor is some kind of regulatory authority. No they aren't. Most of them are weaker competition to paypal
    On 1): I know full well that you weren't the one posting on their social media. I was referring to the possibility that people might continue to post there about it in the future.

    On 3): I get more of a feeling that while those processors may not have actual people watching, they could very easily be using some sort of automated script to monitor what's posted. It's what I'd do if I was tasked with such a menial assignment, anyway.

    On 4): Yes, I'm aware of Aigis getting flak about it. So have some of the other games. Given that the other games have begun to stop having those "art issues", I'm willing to wait a bit more to see if Aigis follows suit. I realize you might not be willing to wait that long. Can we agree to disagree if that's the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulkraken View Post
    On 1): I know full well that you weren't the one posting on their social media. I was referring to the possibility that people might continue to post there about it in the future.

    On 3): I get more of a feeling that while those processors may not have actual people watching, they could very easily be using some sort of automated script to monitor what's posted. It's what I'd do if I was tasked with such a menial assignment, anyway.

    On 4): Yes, I'm aware of Aigis getting flak about it. So have some of the other games. Given that the other games have begun to stop having those "art issues", I'm willing to wait a bit more to see if Aigis follows suit. I realize you might not be willing to wait that long. Can we agree to disagree if that's the case?
    I'm willing to back down for the moment. I sound way more into this issue than I actually am. I actually don't like loli porn but I hate missing content even more and unfortunately the content is what it is. I'm the kind of person that keeps one copy of even the iron bandits, soldiers and archers etc.

    For me Nutaku was a paid service because I bought gold in the past and I feel that people sometimes need to be able to hold Nutaku a little bit into account for the money they spend. (granted that I'm far from a big spender) If you're a completely free player then that's something else

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    If you're worried about lack on content, mind in PPS, still stuck at stage 4 by months and card rush unbalanced the game. Only at this EG event they finally put a bit of balance, but the new year event (medals) fooled everyone again.

    They already put a lot of paywalls on most cards, specially those past elite guards only available in SR gacha (including R cards, but never offered on their own events) and the fiasco with eGacha recently "fixed". Oh, and they removed several daily deals.

    That's why i stopped to fund PPS, they are focusing the profit too bad, even against current paid users.
    Last edited by chillinfar; 12-31-2015 at 01:17 PM.
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  6. There are just asking people to stop requesting "loli's", and with a good reason.
    To any 3rd party looking at their facebook, people are asking them on official public chanel to provide child porn.
    To a common person, word "loli" is synonym to "child porn". If course they dont want anything to do with that.

    As for their payment processing company, you wont find better then "epoch" for this kind of content. But as every company, they have to respect the law and dont want to have anything to do with anything controversial.

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    I was honestly hoping the thread would die there.

    That was the straw that broke the camel's back.
    I don't know why I even tried.
    Is Nutaku some kind of God that no one can even make a frown at?
    It's only content affiliated companies where customers are so addicted to their content providers that even other paying customers cannot hold the company to account without having to wade through a whole lot of loyal company soldiers

    Just for the record once again, I didn't go to their facebook
    and I didn't request lolis.

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    Last edited by Slurpee; 12-31-2015 at 09:26 PM.

  8. #18
    Feel free to quit, but seriously, http://imgur.com/BIWteYF
    http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php...ostcount=14228
    http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php...ostcount=14246

    and fyi, we're not saying you can't frown at nutaku. but doesn't mean you shouldn't try standing in their shoes. You don't work at nutaku, so you won't ever know their actual situation inside out. you're probably right to say that payment processors aren't likely to check up regularly, but doesn't mean they don't monitor their clients occasionally. businesses may cut off working partnerships if they deem the continuation of the relationship may harm them. Also, you never know whether they really have compliance teams in nutaku if they deem nutaku necessary to be paid more attention to. nothing in this world is fixed. Unlikely, but never absolute.

    and tomaa was making a fair point which was in reply to the core topic of what nutakudev requested of us.

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    edited because I tried to delete this post but failed.
    Last edited by Slurpee; 01-01-2016 at 12:16 AM.

  10. #20
    Every time I see the argument "go find another payment processor", I find myself thinking "then do it yourself". If you don't like a company, find another one. If you can't find a replacement, make one. Be a rival company and either outperform or corner a niche. That's how the market works. Terminating relations with a company is absolutely ordinary and nothing to get sentimental over.

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