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    Exclamation The Problem with Harem Hero Events - And A Potential Solution

    For those who don't know, Harem Heroes has Events held every few months. So far, eight have been held:
    • Xmas 2016 Event
    • Valentines Day 2016 Event
    • Spring Break 2017 Event
    • Easter 2017 Event
    • Festival 2017 Event
    • Music Party 2017 Event
    • Summer 2017 Event
    • Sexy Journey 2017 Event


    With each events comes a handful of girls. One of them is unlocked through completing 12 of the 14 events available throughout the two week long event, and the others are locked through Epic Pachinko (although a few can been collected through bosses). All well and good until one little detail comes into play...

    Once the event is over, these girls are lost forever.

    That changes these events completely. Thanks to that, the events turn from fun time-to-time activities to encourage players to both join and come back into a ransom note forcing players to spend large sums of real world money for a chance to get this content before it's gone for good.

    And it's the gone for good part that bothers me. I get the need for them to get money from players. The game is free, and this is how they pay the bills and feed themselves. But do you really need to put a time limit on my ability to gamble? If you didn't know, paying up the Kobans may not net you the event girl. Because all the normal girls are still in the rotation, and still have a chance to be the drop. And Epic Pachinko isn't cheap, either. In fact, allow me to give you the conversion of United States Currency to the game's premium currency:

    • 20 Kobans = $1
    • 100 Kobans = $5
    • 220 Kobans = $10
    • 460 Kobans = $20
    • 1,200 Kobans = $50
    • 2,600 Kobans = $100


    Those are the available bundles you can buy. So, you'll need a minimum of $5 if you want an event girl. Since each event has at least 3 girls exclusive to Epic Pachinko, this would mean a minimum of $15. If your luck is fantastic. But what if it isn't? Well, to GUARANTEE something for your money, that'll now be a much more hefty $105. And that's assuming you don't get a normie dropped or that the event doesn't have more girls exclusive to Epic Pachinko

    What's the damage of this? Harem Heroes is now a game where more than 2/3rds of the content is forever unobtainable because you didn't have money when they wanted it (hence why I'm calling events a ransom note). And that's no exaggeration - of the 83 haremettes in the game, 51 of them can no longer be obtained because they were event exclusive. And 43 of them were either boss drops or Epic Pachinko rewards. So if they were locked in a world you couldn't reach in time or if you didn't have money to spare, too bad. Does it not matter to the devs that the first thing you learn when you check out the harem page is that you can't get 61% of the game's characters already? That has to be discouraging for new players.

    And I don't want to be saying this about this game. Harem Heroes is otherwise a great example of a Free-To-Play game. The Basic Currency (Yen, or the dollar notes) has an actual use and is mostly independent of the premium currency (Kobans). I'm more so concerned about the game being long-term playable. The ratio of collectible to lost-forever girls will only increase, making it harder for new players to get in and could very well cause long term players to leave.

    However since complaining about something without attempting to offer a solution is... unproductive (to say the least), I do have a possible solution or two.

    The most obvious solution is just put every girl behind Epic Pachinko, but I personally would rather the next suggestion be the one taken. But if it's not possible, this would still be better than nothing.

    However, I think I have a better (albeit more complex) solution: Event Boosters and The Black Market

    The Event Booster would be a booster tied to a specific event. The idea would be that when one completes one of the Daily Missions, they receive their Kobans and a single Event Booster. They could then trade enough of them in to the Black Market for a girl from the event. These items could then become incredibly rare boss drops (About on par with a girl being dropped) or something the player can buy from the Black Market strictly with Kobans - I was thinking 40 a piece outside an event. The "Event Idol" (Cupid-Chan, Flight Assistant, Mountain Sophie, etc) would cost 15 Event Boosters outside of an event. An "Event Girl" (a unique character like Bunny's Mom) would cost 10 Event Boosters outside of an event. An "Event Variation" (a new version of a haremette already in the game like Halloween Housemaid) Can only be gotten through Epic Pachinko. Although they'd remain as a collectible drop from Epic Pachinko, the odds of them being the drop would greatly improve if one plays during an event; at no point could a variation be collected through the Black Market.

    During an event, Event Boosters would cost a little less (Costing 30 Kobans instead of 40) and all event girls would cost 3 less Boosters than usual. (The Idols cost 12, and the Girls cost 7).

    Okay, here's an example of these Ideas being put into Practice.

    Halloween Festival 2017

    • Saki Mato [Event Idol] (A witch with an Eye patch, purple eyes and purple hair in a pony tail. This character would be a parody of Mio Sakamoto from Strike Witches
    • Trick-Tan [Event Girl] (A Sexy and "Mischievous" trick-or-treater. Adult, obviously)
    • Treat-San [Event Girl] (A Cute and Polite trick-or-treater. Also and Adult, obviously)
    • Shadow Noemy [Event Variation] (A "evil" costume for Noemy. A parody of Paper Mario 2 for when Peach was possessed by the Shadow Queen)
    • Twilight Agate [Event Variation] (Agate with bright orange hair, but pale-blue skin and clothes. A reference to the human form of Midna from Twilight Princess
    • Blue Battler [Event Variation] (Red Battler, but with a blue motif instead.)


    You can take part in the daily mission of the event - Never Ending Treats - for this Event Booster (Heart-Shape Lollipop). By the end of the 14 days, you can get up to 14 Heart-Shaped Lollipops without having to buy them. If you head to the shop before then end of the event, you could either get the Event Idol and have 2 left over, or get the two event girls but have to save up even more to get the Event Idol (since the price will jump up to 15 after the event and they'll get more expensive to boot). Shadow Noemy, Twilight Agate, and Blue Battler would be available in Epic Pachinko during and after the event, but your best bet of getting them is during the event itself.

    Instead of dropping girls, the two modified bosses (Usually Dark Lord and some other boss) will have a decent chance of dropping an Event Booster instead of having to drop girls.

    The Black Market would always offer 8 Random Event Boosters for sale. During an event, one will always be the event, but it could be from any previous event.

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    So, is this even possible? Is there any way the devs could make these girls available so they're not forever lost because you didn't have the money for them in the two weeks they offered them?


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    Sounds like a solid plan to me. Maybe the devs would have some balancing concerns with:
    {the costs and drop rates} VS {free kobans from event missions (or is your idea replacing those with the free event boosters?) and free kobans from the occasional other daily mission and free kobans from contests top 4 results} VS {still wanting people to actually buy kobans from time to time on top of that}

    But there's definitely some potential here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuljoStpho View Post
    Sounds like a solid plan to me. Maybe the devs would have some balancing concerns with:
    {the costs and drop rates} VS {free kobans from event missions (or is your idea replacing those with the free event boosters?) and free kobans from the occasional other daily mission and free kobans from contests top 4 results} VS {still wanting people to actually buy kobans from time to time on top of that}

    But there's definitely some potential here.
    I'd be fine with that. My big thing would just being so that way there's a way to get the content of the game.

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    I seem to recall though that there was one dev who posted on here at some point something along the lines of being absolutely against ever making any event girls available again after their original event run... Although in that same post it was acknowledged that the other devs didn't feel the same way. Obviously the other devs at least gave enough pushback on the idea to offer everything up again for the game's 1 year anniversary, but that was still just a short term offer and (to put it in the same terms you did) a massive ransom note. Here's hoping that they can settle on some sort of more permanent feature.

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    I'm not a fan of the concept of event boosters. Every event, most players are only interested in one or two girls. Allowing them to obtain them for free removes any incentive to spend real money on the game. What you're currently suggesting would allow players to obtain two event girls for each event. The event idol isn't the popular girl anyways and it's usually the troll drops/Epic Pachinko drops that players would want in the first place.On top of that, your suggestion would essentially allow anyone to obtain past girls if they wait long enough without having to spend a significant amount of money. This would reduce Epic Pachinko drops to costing 600 kobans instead of 900 kobans AND allow users to select who they want, which is ludicrous.

    The current system rewards players for spending kobans and obtaining past girls in the first place and your suggestion would essentially punish older players for having spent money, while rewarding free players and essentially encouraging all players not to spend money/spend very little money on the game.

    The team would basically have very little overall income if players were to obtain the 2 girls they cared about for the event in the first place for free. The game would not be self-sustainable and continue to take a loss. Please keep in mind that the game developers are working on the game full-time.

    My personal preference would be to bring back each event's specific girls in the form that the original appeared while introducing a new wave girls. This would give older players something to go for while giving new players access to the event's past girls+ new girls. There would be two event every year, once during the anniversary and once during the New Year, where players would be able to obtain past event girls through a special Pachinko for kobans at the standard costs.

    This would continue to keep the game self-sustainable while keeping everyone happy.

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    "allow users to select who they want"

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    "This would continue to keep the game self-sustainable while keeping everyone happy. "

    People are NOT happy with the current format though. I'm sure that many would rather just ignore pachinko-only girls instead of shelling out the prices currently being asked for. And while we understand that RNG is a harsh mistress and sometimes the luck just isn't with you, it still stings when you get a bad streak.

    "The event idol isn't the popular girl anyways"

    I don't know about that. I consider them to be the saving grace of the event format. The very first event didn't have that yet and it was only the troll drops and the pachinko drops. It was kind of nice in the events after that where you know that you've got at least one girl guaranteed no matter what happens with the RNG.

    And aside from that point, well...
    1) personal taste, we've each got our own kinks, different people will find different designs more interesting
    2) possibly the utility factor of whether or not the girl is the same main stat as your profile (which determines if she's a viable choice for your lineup since, from everything I've seen, you always get better stats from picking the gear and girls that match your type)

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    ((Granted, point 2 is iffy in the game's current state. The battle system is usually pretty okay for you even in the worst conditions, and then at some point you start to seriously overpower almost everything you'll ever go up against. I'm curious to see what things will be like after the big re-balance that they've been saying is coming up.))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad0w View Post
    I'm not a fan of the concept of event boosters. Every event, most players are only interested in one or two girls. Allowing them to obtain them for free removes any incentive to spend real money on the game. What you're currently suggesting would allow players to obtain two event girls for each event. The event idol isn't the popular girl anyways and it's usually the troll drops/Epic Pachinko drops that players would want in the first place.On top of that, your suggestion would essentially allow anyone to obtain past girls if they wait long enough without having to spend a significant amount of money. This would reduce Epic Pachinko drops to costing 600 kobans instead of 900 kobans AND allow users to select who they want, which is ludicrous.

    The current system rewards players for spending kobans and obtaining past girls in the first place and your suggestion would essentially punish older players for having spent money, while rewarding free players and essentially encouraging all players not to spend money/spend very little money on the game.

    The team would basically have very little overall income if players were to obtain the 2 girls they cared about for the event in the first place for free. The game would not be self-sustainable and continue to take a loss. Please keep in mind that the game developers are working on the game full-time.

    My personal preference would be to bring back each event's specific girls in the form that the original appeared while introducing a new wave girls. This would give older players something to go for while giving new players access to the event's past girls+ new girls. There would be two event every year, once during the anniversary and once during the New Year, where players would be able to obtain past event girls through a special Pachinko for kobans at the standard costs.

    This would continue to keep the game self-sustainable while keeping everyone happy.
    Could you provide any proof that no one wants the event idol and only two girls? Or are you projecting your interests onto the entire player base?

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    They already did an "anniversary" event making every girl come back from every event they did so far, including limited girls into Epic pachinko.

    So that basicly "Lost ever" is already a lie. And let's make the real call outs. You are missing girls and want more, yet you're either a new player, a veteran that has been unlucky. Or either just a cry baby. You have either a entirely different mind set that you're obviously posting here. So stop being selfish and look at the real facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greetingz View Post
    They already did an "anniversary" event making every girl come back from every event they did so far, including limited girls into Epic pachinko.

    So that basicly "Lost ever" is already a lie. And let's make the real call outs. You are missing girls and want more, yet you're either a new player, a veteran that has been unlucky. Or either just a cry baby. You have either a entirely different mind set that you're obviously posting here. So stop being selfish and look at the real facts
    God forbid I have criticisms of a game. But if you want me to fuck off, I will - Because while I'd love to counter and respond to your claims here, I'd rather just be told I'm not welcome here.
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