[Event 28] Crucible of Combat vs The Demon Envy (Union Event)

This is straight up dumb
It's so easy yet you're expanding too much on a simple comparison

A defense buff equals a Regen buff (You get little quantities of it on 3 turns)
A damage cut equals a Heal (You get it all right away when you need it)

It's obviously better to have a Healer than having a Regen enabler so is obviously better having a Damage Cut skill than having a Defense Buffer
Especially if you as almost everyone struggle with overdrives since you use your skill there where it prioritizes it instead of having it split in 3 turns, when building a team you don't look at all on Defense Buffers. The priorities are Debuffs > Healing > Damage > Damage Cut / Rage meter throttle.
That said we can all come to the conclusion that if a Kamihime has a Defense buff it's an okay addition to your team but you aren't out there looking for it as you are looking for -40/40 debuffs and a healer, oh and god forbids you're running more than one while having better options

For Healing is the same; maybe you're in the Raging bar and for some reason you couldn't stun the Boss, so the next turn you know you're getting an Overdrive Blast to the face and a heal might save your party before starting that turn
A Regen will give you around the same (normally less than a Heal, just like a defense buff gives you less than a damage cut in most scenarios) split into three turns.

Comparing defense buffs with debuffs, that I find pretty dumb, even more if you're doing it the way someone in the thread is, saying that Amaterasu's buff isn't useful because it doesn't add up to the same degree that a debuff would when Amaterasu has drumroll please a -20 Attack and -20 Defense debuff too which is the same that Sol provides you -20 Attack Debuff with an extra Defense debuff rather they are in a different Frame and that's one of the three things what makes Sol so especial (ofcourse, ofcourse I'm not comparing a B Frame which is pretty common and even has an EX skill around it with a C Frame like Sol of Cthulhu. I just want to help new people to see the degree of their debuffs); meh??? I don't know anymore lol. This became really cringy in a few hours you could've been better saying "Andromeda's Debuff" isn't as good and it would've atleast seemed like you put thought on your words rather than comparing a buff with a debuff on a Kamihime that has both

Just wondering if the SSR weapon is worth using.
I saved plenty of jewels trying to get osiris and failed, so i use andromeda/cassi in dark formation.
My grid have 2 defender weapon so i may replace on of them or one of the SR guns from raid boss.
But, is that weapon worth using to begin with?
My team is: cassi/andromeda, satan, hades, susanoo, ren and beelzebub+nyarla in sub

I'd say a pride weapon definitely has more value than a defender weapon.

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Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

Just wondering if the SSR weapon is worth using.
I saved plenty of jewels trying to get osiris and failed, so i use andromeda/cassi in dark formation.
My grid have 2 defender weapon so i may replace on of them or one of the SR guns from raid boss.
But, is that weapon worth using to begin with?
My team is: cassi/andromeda, satan, hades, susanoo, ren and beelzebub+nyarla in sub

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In general I'd value Pride weapons way above Assault (as long as you're not running something crazy like double healer + regen build or something). Also, after playing with +50% HP (skill level 20 + skill level 16 SSR Defenders + 20% from Eidolon), I have to say... wow. That HP gets you really far.

It does depend on content, but I'd say by default keep two Defenders on and also use the Pride weapon. For me, swapping one SSR Defender for a skill level 20 SSR Assault would be a 5% damage increase, which certainly is no minor thing. However, that would hurt my survival ability a lot. And using double Elemental Eidolons would be 12% damage increase, so that's where I'd first look for more damage.

SSR weapons are reliably better than SR weapons, regardless of the skill they come with. The stat difference alone is usually enough to mitigate the damage difference to 2-4%. After that, it's +2% damage (SR assault) vs. whatever bonus the SSR provides. Even if that's +8% HP (stacked with several HP buffs), it's still worth it.

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Originally Posted by sanahtlig

SSR weapons are reliably better than SR weapons, regardless of the skill they come with. The stat difference alone is usually enough to mitigate the damage difference to 2-4%. After that, it's +2% damage (SR assault) vs. whatever bonus the SSR provides. Even if that's +8% HP (stacked with several HP buffs), it's still worth it.

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so in other words i should replace 1 of my dark gun for the axe for the difference in attack and also the skill will do the difference.

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Originally Posted by Slashley

In general I'd value Pride weapons way above Assault (as long as you're not running something crazy like double healer + regen build or something). Also, after playing with +50% HP (skill level 20 + skill level 16 SSR Defenders + 20% from Eidolon), I have to say... wow. That HP gets you really far.

It does depend on content, but I'd say by default keep two Defenders on and also use the Pride weapon. For me, swapping one SSR Defender for a skill level 20 SSR Assault would be a 5% damage increase, which certainly is no minor thing. However, that would hurt my survival ability a lot. And using double Elemental Eidolons would be 12% damage increase, so that's where I'd first look for more damage.

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so according to that, as i already have 2 defender weapons in my grid, then weapon that should replaced 1 of my dark guns for the pride axe?
also as we start to get weapons with 2 skills i guess they also can be counted as "defender" weapons, so i may replace my defender axe (or..another gun) for valentine's sword.

i'm not sure yet, but think i'll give up on using pride weapons in my water team, we'll get 2 of them in a row after frost so..sucks for me.
it's not as crazy team as you described, but if i can get ssr nike or aphrodite it may be a team that can be with high HP in most cases (aside of crazy stuff like accessory quest, guild order, ragnarok raid bosses etc..)

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't pride weapons give per skill level .5% attack and HP, and the lower your HP drop, you get additional flat % to attack?
basicly assault and defender in one.

i am referring to this table though.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ride_Skill.jpg

Is it just me, or does Envy have insane debuff resistance? I'm at 45 Debuff+ Grail buff, and fucker still sometimes resists debuffs.

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Originally Posted by LeCrestfallen

Correct me if i am wrong, but don't pride weapons give per skill level .5% attack and HP, and the lower your HP drop, you get additional flat % to attack?
basicly assault and defender in one.

i am referring to this table though.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ride_Skill.jpg

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No, Pride has the same .5% gain per skill level. However, their base Assault is 0% when at full health, compare to 6% to SSR Assault. But they very quickly gain that 6%. Namely, when you've lost one third of your HP, it's the same as an SSR Assault weapon. Below that? Pure free damage. That usually means that you when you need it, you do more damage, as your first full Burst tends to be after enemy Overdrive.

ah mixed up the weapons, the one with assault and defender was the sphinx mace, not the pride weapon.

I feel like Envy has slightly more debuff resistance than Pride or Wrath did, but debuffs still land the vast majority of the time without any aids. It's still at least an order of magnitude away from Lust's resistance.
Granted, certain things that are supposed to improve the rate of debuffs landing don't seem make much of a noticable improvement (Sphinx, I'm looking at you).