Thread: How to use AW Betty (because apparently Gold Get use needs to be taught as well)

Quoted from Larcx @ Aigis wikia (who in turn obtained this from ULMF)

About Betty

Found this on ULMF

Let's assume you have 480 Charisma. Using 5 SC will result in 6 times this amount (480 regen in 24 hours) which is equal to 240 runs of Pastoral Gate. Farming it with awakened Betty will give about 3600 G per run. This leads to 432 Summons a day. I am assuming the chance to get a unit of a rarity above X is 0.01 % per pull (actually I don't know the real values, this is just a proof of concept). Therefore not getting any unit at a rarity above X is 0.9999^432 = 0.9577. Or in other words: The chance to get at least one unit of rarity X or above is 4.23 %.

So with 5 SC a day , You could do 432 Normal 2K Summon

And yeah , IDK how Lv of Prince to get that 480 Charisma

But that seems delicious to get 400+ Summon a day

Everyone has his own point of view anyway

But , I think Betty worth it to get AW~

and yes, you ARE sacrificing unit exp, but you will eventually get a point where unit exp isn't the world to you.
edit: and I might as well point out that this IS a viable method, just tedious. and that you need to run Pastoral Gate manually, not commission sortie. and 5 SC = 1 premium summon, but you're pretty much guaranteed to get more than 1 silver out of it.

edit2: based on other people's research results, Mysterious Beast (20 charisma, 92 units to kill) is potentially another good place to farm gold using AW betty/Lyla.
Nonetheless, for those players with AW betty, remember to use her for Low Cost Battle 1 when farming it, since you probably have to anyway for silver fairies to CC silvers to be used as AW fodder. Enough silver fairy farming through LCB1 also allows you to use those silver fairies to combine with Hashim and other higher level bronze units (2 silver fairy, 2 bronze units) for fast silver unit leveling (to 30 for CC'ing)

Originally Posted by exk

That was an old video and it was messing around with fielded units to show why Betty needs levels before she can do anything of value.

Here is the one I recorded today:
44/45 https://youtu.be/Qg8HKctSyCI

edit3: credit to buster wolf: http://harem-battle.club/millennium-...html#post28403
pastoral gate = best map to farm for gold

Petite Souer numbers: http://himeuta.org/showthread.php?18...l=1#post702372

so according to the quote, the optimal usage of betty is a 5-6 hour long grind per 5 SC?

that is so reta- i mean ヽ(◉◡◔)ﾉ MY GWD! GENIUS! ヽ(◉◡◔)ﾉ

I guess she needs to be max lvl aw to clear it fast enough alone?
I tried it with her being 38, but the last waves are a bit too much for her to clear them alone and I think it's even the case if she would be max. But well I don't have her on max so that I can rly judge it.

no idea of the exact stat/levels needed, but at least in DMM aigis you can somewhat boost her attack easily (Uzume buff, aria buff, dancer buff etc.)

@buttlover: there ARE players who can be that hardcore (in particular jp players). nobody said you had to do the same. nonetheless, it IS good to have her AW'd, and you can use her to farm LCB1 for silver fairies for powerleveling AW fodder. according to exkale, 4 silver fairies + 4 lvl 25 bronze (or was that even higher level?) from the higher tier maps (currently not existing in nutaku version) can power a silver straight to lvl 30 for cc'ing.

nonetheless, I myself didn't AW betty because I'm too lazy to mass farm pastoral gate. especially when I'm not lacking gold yet anyway.

2,400 EXP needed to level up a Silver unit from level 20 to level 30.

2 Silver Fairies and 2 Lv.27 Bronze Samurai (w/EXP ability [230 EXP]) fed to a Silver will grant 1,840 EXP.
230x2x4 = 1,840

560 remaining EXP needed to level up to level 30. 2 Lv.27 Bronze Samurai is enough to level up a Silver unit to level 30. Use the last Silver Fairy for class changing.

Isn't Mysterious Beast also a viable map to run due to the sheer number of enemies Betty could kill?

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Isn't Mysterious Beast also a viable map to run due to the sheer number of enemies Betty could kill?

possible, but iirc there are some flying enemies which = more units to deploy (and I think there are witches), and there isn't such a nice chokepoint where you can catch all of them except the spot right before the heart, but you need to place archers to kill the flying enemies which would mess with betty's kills. not to mention the drops will be halved as compared to 2 runs of pastoral gate (charisma cost is almost double as well).

so...all in all, mysterious beast might work, but it's not as good as pastoral gate. (mysterious beast was longer too, and I remember having to wait a while before some of the waves started) too lazy to check the exact values though.

Originally Posted by soranokira

no idea of the exact stat/levels needed, but at least in DMM aigis you can somewhat boost her attack easily (Uzume buff, aria buff, dancer buff etc.)

@buttlover: there ARE players who can be that hardcore (in particular jp players). nobody said you had to do the same. nonetheless, it IS good to have her AW'd, and you can use her to farm LCB1 for silver fairies for powerleveling AW fodder. according to exkale, 4 silver fairies + 4 lvl 25 bronze (or was that even higher level?) from the higher tier maps (currently not existing in nutaku version) can power a silver straight to lvl 30 for cc'ing.

nonetheless, I myself didn't AW betty because I'm too lazy to mass farm pastoral gate. especially when I'm not lacking gold yet anyway.

There are always outliers in every example, but you starting a thread to show like it is a matter of fact (" that apparently it needs to be taught")
After which you admit that you won't even follow what you post, because it is obviously too tedious.

Then
PLEASE dont advocate ideas that even you dont follow.

Overall betty is definitely worth AW. But if you think the optimal map is pastoral, but don't even plan to farm it.
Then it is clearly NOT the optimal map for you, and please don't advocate it for other.

Originally Posted by buttlover

There are always outliers in every example, but you starting a thread to show like it is a matter of fact (" that apparently it needs to be taught")
After which you admit that you won't even follow what you post, because it is obviously too tedious.

Then
PLEASE dont advocate ideas that even you dont follow.

Overall betty is definitely worth AW. But if you think the optimal map is pastoral, but don't even plan to farm it.
Then it is clearly NOT the optimal map for you, and please don't advocate it for other.

I am NOT advocating others to do so. I am TELLING people HOW others are saying AW betty is used. which is why I did not say I agree with lafate's order of AW in which he prioritized betty first. however, for those who DID AW betty first like in lafate's AW order list, the way to farm gold effectively using her is to farm pastoral gate WHEN YOU NEED GOLD. I myself do NOT need gold atm. therefore, I do NOT see the reason for myself to rush betty AW.

This is in particular a reply to a question lolix asked on shoutbox on 'which is the map to farm using AW betty', as well as to your bullshit comment on "100k gold in exchange for ZERO unit progression and inferior level xp after using a full bar of charisma??? And i thought only fark will come up with such ideas and do it" because this is NOT an idea that is fark-tier. This is actually a legitimate way of farming gold which you have NOT experienced because you have not reached the point where you lack gold like some people in DMM. and all the shit ass long breaks we were given in nutaku did not help things either since virtually everyone who had been playing before commission sortie was implemented has managed to stock up 2mil gold and easily more than 100 DC if they did not buy every current TP unit.

edit: also, I myself WILL use AW betty to farm LCB1 if I had her, as well as use her as my primary assassin
edit2: I would also farm pastoral gate with AW betty if I needed the gold, instead of commissioning Deep Forest Road. Pastoral gate farming with AW betty > Deep Forest Road's gold, as previously calculated by lolix in the shoutbox. Although, there are easier gold-getting units like maurette, patra, noel and mia. but let's wait until we actually get them.

Edit: Wait, I just realize the guy in quote also sells his irons doesn't he? I didn't sell the irons I got from MB.
-Running PGate to get gold output right now.


Edit: Updated version of research.

While I don't have an awakened Betty, I have an Awakened Lyla. So I tried to use her for mysterious beast as mentioned by Eab1990.
I ended up with 4000~4200 gold a run.

To handle the air units, I had multiple hit squads of a Witch+Archer pair to hold the bottom portion of the screen to kill the gargoyles and red gargoyles. Once the gargoyles were dead, I withdrew the pair and allowed Lyla to keep wailing away.

Red wolves usually get through. When the slimes approach, I used Lyla's reckless abandon skill(or as ungracefully called, Risk Life III)

They other guy in quote claims 3600 a run with PGate.
Running it myself nets 2000~2100 gold a run.

Mysterious Beast is 20Charisma to PGate's 12Charisma
which means for PGate you get 175gold per Charisma.
Meanwhile Mysterious Beast gives 210gold per Charisma.

On raw gold gain, Mysterious Beast gets you 35 more gold.

Note: This excludes selling the irons you get, which could alter the result based on drop rates.