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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Nero010 View Post
    Its very likely though that i will pretty much never use Shizuka AND Chizuru in one map though, right? And i guess if i had to choose between them i pick Shizuka who also buffs herself (putting her above Chizuru in Attack again). If i need lots of HP i have Imelia AND min cost Lolonne. And pretty much every Archer duo or Assassin (which would be the least UP cost version and the most underrated) can deal with early rushes pretty quick cant they?
    Don't get me wrong, I was just analyzing raw stat gaps between the samurai. I'd take Shizuka over Chizuru almost any day (lower defense but higher HP makes healing incoming damage more difficult and the HP bars deceptive). Early rushes are generally handled by Archers/Witches + Soldiers, possibly a rogue if you're not sure you can kill quick enough and want to gamble (I believe Castle Retake has a Cypria-reliant strategy for underleveled players looking to rush to Dragon Hunting/Flame Dragon, as an example of this), Samurai are a mid-map anti-rush mob clearer class, and while Chizuru's cost is lower than other samurai, it isn't low enough to be viable for early rushes in most cases.


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    Yeah... I used that Cypria-reliant strategy back then xD i was still suprised when i had to throw her in as an emergency "token" cause i just barely had what it took (one eastern map for example) how ... well ... she performs even at none cc just lvl 50 without relaying on her skill at all. One day i will raise her and use her just for the interest. Not now. But one day. Idk why but i wanna break this anti rouge meta open D: xD

    btw. I have 10 Rainbowspirits and rarely ever used some. Looking at the units I have (knowing this might be a more complex question) whos skill should i start to level or focus into? (Also considering maaaaaybe future S.AW). I came up with that question as Shizukas skill is one that needs to be leveled to reach its "great potential" of a free plat level healer to herself but can only be leveled via Rainbows (most likely).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero010 View Post
    Yeah... I used that Cypria-reliant strategy back then xD i was still suprised when i had to throw her in as an emergency "token" cause i just barely had what it took (one eastern map for example) how ... well ... she performs even at none cc just lvl 50 without relaying on her skill at all. One day i will raise her and use her just for the interest. Not now. But one day. Idk why but i wanna break this anti rouge meta open D: xD

    btw. I have 10 Rainbowspirits and rarely ever used some. Looking at the units I have (knowing this might be a more complex question) whos skill should i start to level or focus into? (Also considering maaaaaybe future S.AW). I came up with that question as Shizukas skill is one that needs to be leveled to reach its "great potential" of a free plat level healer to herself but can only be leveled via Rainbows (most likely).
    Rogues are generally bad outside of Cypria and Berna due to insufficient stats resulting in RNG reliance. Cypria and Berna at least have stats to be decent duelists even without Assassinate (against moderate hitters Cypria does get dodge-reliant somewhat, Berna is surprisingly tough for her cost due to HP + Defense affection and high stats due to Black rarity).

    For rainbow spirits, top 2 picks of what you've got are Shizuka and Sherry.

    Shizuka's skill when leveled is worthy of calling a "pocket healer" (15% of max HP per hit is ~380 HP per hit at max level, about 50CC50 max affection Alissa healing every 1.2 seconds or something like that for 10 seconds every 25 seconds without the extra deploy slot; might not sound THAT great, but it is if heal slots aren't readily available nearby, or even if they are it's extra healing if "burst healing" is needed for her)

    Sherry is your primary duelist and she attacks magically, but she does have some issues taking hits against strong enemies, so killing them in 2-3 hits is good.

    Spica's skill is great but I'd refrain from using rainbows on her due to extra copies being available from TP and Lauren the silver archer sharing her skill meaning when he's farmable you can possibly get a skill up or two there.

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    General consensus is that if you're gonna use a samurai, use Shizuka. She's definitely a good tank-substitute as someone already said, not to mention her SAW turns her into a god tier duelist.

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    Only reason why they didn't give shizuku as much hp is because she is already OP enough as it is.

    She can pretty much be fielded solo without a healer if get your timing down.

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    Chizuru seems too niche as Nero pointed out, almost any time you'd want her anything else would suffice for early rushes. Her utility as cheap, strong lighting rod who can avoid magic attacks with her skill though is probably very awesome on some maps.

    As to Ivan's point, I'd say Kojuro is far from useless exactly because he has Shizuka. Once she's leveled, if you find you are getting good use out of her then I think eventually AWing Kojuro would be a very good move because of synergizing AW buffs. Kojuro on his own already has the stats of a great offtank as well (Increase Def IV let's not forget). You rarely need the raw def of two heavies, so Bernice and Kojuro are my two main blockers for most maps. He's also great help on male only maps, let me beat Toast to Men G with no buffs and without the real premiums like Gellius and Jerome. Because you have Shizuka, you'd be AWing Kojuro almost only for the buff (and male maps) so I'd put most of your premium team ahead in priority but definitely something to think about when you have extra DCs an silvers for it.

    As to rainbows, I'd just save them as long as space permits until you need them for a particular map due to how few you receive as a non-whale. Priorities may change a lot if we get SAW ahead of schedule or some weird map comes out so I always prefer to have enough banked to likely max a premium skill when I need it. As said though, you can't really go wrong with skills like Sherry and Shizuka though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanLedah21 View Post
    Looking at the Wiki, if it's accurate, Chizuru has absurdly high HP for her cost and rarity (AW80 is 3607, compared to Shizuka's AW90 2539, Sakuya's AW90 3347 and Akane's AW90 3143) and her attack is higher than the platinum Samurai (AW80 783 compared to Shizuka AW90 751, Sakuya's 643/1222 and Akane's 736). On the other hand that HP is probably to make up for her crap defense (AW 80 239 Defense with 3 blocks; Shizuka has 578 at AW90, Sakuya 520 and Akane has 499) and the fact her skill is iffy (Shizuka heals herself, Akane has flat 50% dodge, Sakuya's is Attack Increase 4, while Chizuru gets 80% dodge against ranged, but also draws ranged attacks to herself which might attract extra attacks if you dropped someone after her, plus it doesn't do anything against melee)

    Cost-wise, Sakuya and Shizuka are 26->23, Akane is 27->23 and Chizuru is 23 -> 20, so she has an edge there. Just a matter of whether her HP is enough survival with her crap defense + 3 blocks. Her niche is clearing light mobs, and she certainly does it well with her high HP, Attack and lower cost, plus attacking 3 at once, just get her out before the heavy hitters come.




    As her stats indicate , chizuru is made as either a lightning rod because she forces enemy ranged attacks on her or for fighting mages and liches (high hp , low defenswe - doesn't matter to magic attacks , and as far as i know , the only skill in the game that allows dodging magic damage)


    Her effective hp against a lich during her skill usage is over 15k (assuming 20% hit rate).




    That's her niche. And she's really good at it. Because of that , and their costs , shizuka and chizuru fill different niches , so comparing them is useless.


    Actually , i'd argue that chizuru's niche and ability are more unique then shizuka's (who can easily be replaced by plenty others)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolix View Post
    As her stats indicate , chizuru is made as either a lightning rod because she forces enemy ranged attacks on her or for fighting mages and liches (high hp , low defenswe - doesn't matter to magic attacks , and as far as i know , the only skill in the game that allows dodging magic damage)


    Her effective hp against a lich during her skill usage is over 15k (assuming 20% hit rate).




    That's her niche. And she's really good at it. Because of that , and their costs , shizuka and chizuru fill different niches , so comparing them is useless.


    Actually , i'd argue that chizuru's niche and ability are more unique then shizuka's (who can easily be replaced by plenty others)
    So Chizuru's works against magic? OK then, that does give her a clear niche distinctly different from her fellow samurai (still RNG reliant but 80% is pretty good) and she's much more readily accessible (as much as a premium unit can be) than most of the better lightning rods (Sophie, Sybilla, Dahlia, Clissa, etc.) so that gives her added value

    @Unregistered: Kojuro isn't useless if you're using Samurai, and he is a decent off-tank/bulky dps, but in general you aren't going to use him if you have Shizuka due to UP costs (2 samurai used in same battle is costly) and while AW him for his buff is a decent long-term option, there are a plethora of units ahead of him on the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samyy View Post
    if i were you i won't call kojuro a waste since the biggest whale on dmm uses a mincosted kojuro over hibari. that being said.samurai has little to no application in current nutaku or future.as sad as it is..the event samurai>shizuka practically. because of lr placement. shizuka is just a off tank rush blocker in places where u cant afford or reach a healer with( considering nutaku took like ever to release a priest warrior)..in future role of shizuka? none..all the more defunct after hibari a free black :/...future role for momoji/kojuro..pretty solid..y? momoji is off lr that can kill a blue majin wid buffs nd non aw stats..kojuro can stop rush and is pretty easy to place if min costed :/...provided nutaku gives free gold rushes of him in future :/
    So ud say with S.AW giving Shizuka 300% more ATK and DEF and selfhealing (10% instat of 15) and droping her to one block makes her not have a use or puts her as a duelist even above units like sherry? Sure.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Samyy View Post
    if i were you i won't call kojuro a waste since the biggest whale on dmm uses a mincosted kojuro over hibari. that being said.samurai has little to no application in current nutaku or future.as sad as it is..the event samurai>shizuka practically. because of lr placement. shizuka is just a off tank rush blocker in places where u cant afford or reach a healer with( considering nutaku took like ever to release a priest warrior)..in future role of shizuka? none..all the more defunct after hibari a free black :/...future role for momoji/kojuro..pretty solid..y? momoji is off lr that can kill a blue majin wid buffs nd non aw stats..kojuro can stop rush and is pretty easy to place if min costed :/...provided nutaku gives free gold rushes of him in future :/
    Even if all that is true... who knows when Hibari will show up, a free black on Nutaku is a sketchy idea given their track record, Momoji isn't like the other samurai anyways, Kojuro min-costed is a sketchy idea since Nutaku's pace says without whaling you aren't going to get that for about 3 years if that...

    As far as Nutaku goes AT PRESENT, not looking at the future of only god knows when, Shizuka totally outclasses Kojuro outside of cost in 95% of situations. Kojuro might have solid status on DMM, but this thread is about Nutaku, where he's an off-tank rush blocker just like Shizuka, with superior HP and during skill, Defense (though she's self-healing to make up for this).

    Side Question: what's lr stand for?

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