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    Starter Pack Value

    I was wondering if this was even useful to obtain. I have played nutaku for a while now and the recurring theme seems to be to get higher rarity units ASAP, so I usually get whatever starter deal is offered then just rely on reward currency for gacha. However, Aigis is very different. So far I have received 2 platinum and 3 gold units as rewards, but have only used Katie and Cyprea consistently. Iris has been used mainly on the endurance maps. I would guess that royal guard means Alicia is some kind of tank, which I haven't needed often enough to spend money for. My question is that part of the pack is 200 demon crystals, so are either Chydis, Viera or Hien worth oh-ing and ah-ing over? Since they are what is in the trading post. Thanks for any input.
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    By rewards are you referring to event units or do you mean the stuff you get for leveling up?

    The starter pack is a solid value but not a must have. DCs are farmable but retain their value well since you need them to buy Awakening fodder. Spica and Chydis are both good enough that you're unlikely to quickly replace them without splashing some cash, in which case you might as well buy the pack and nab Alicia anyway since her pack is good value unless you only buy SC en masse.
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    By all means , alicia doesn't seem like a bad unit , but i simply dunno in what category i should place her. Sheseems to be able to tank , but at her cost you can place a real heavy. She can regen and boosts cavalry , which is also great and she can duel with her saw....but dunno. I guess you can use her as your offtank or gatekeeper for units that escaped your main tank's block....



    Regardless of that , at 1400 nutaku gold , getting a plat unit is pretty damn good.
    Considering that with that gold , you can get 15 scs at best , which means 3 premium summons and the probability of getting a plat unit from those 3 is rather low , i'd say its pretty damn good.

    You'd need to spend 50 scs on average to get a shrine platinum , so getting one for the equivalent of 15 is great....and you still get 14 more SCs on top of a plat and some affection items as well as DCs.
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    Post SAW only 3 heavies are better tanks than Alicia and 2 of them are blacks while the other is a plat who has virtually no offensive presence when his skill is down and has literally zero offensive presence when his skill is up. Gellius has his place against the most elite super bosses but against practically everything else SAW Alicia is actually the more practical unit. She's basically Maribel if Maribel didn't kind of suck at life.

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    to be fair the game doesn't have that many good heavies outside of the 2 blacks , gellius and bernice which is a gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayfabe View Post
    By rewards are you referring to event units or do you mean the stuff you get for leveling up?

    The starter pack is a solid value but not a must have. DCs are farmable but retain their value well since you need them to buy Awakening fodder. Spica and Chydis are both good enough that you're unlikely to quickly replace them without splashing some cash, in which case you might as well buy the pack and nab Alicia anyway since her pack is good value unless you only buy SC en masse.
    I mean the units you get for leveling up and completing the tutorials. Of those units Katie and Cypria are the only ones I have used every battle. Their cost and skills are great. Iris is best for the maps that swarm enemies, otherwise Alissa and Dorcas are plenty.Even Bashira, a platinum, needs her skill to be noticeably better than Soma and Daniela.

    I see the Chydis is a caster, I have not used witches and mages much. But I am only up to Citadel Battle and have stopped to grind Deep Forest Road. Does she have a rare skill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolix View Post
    to be fair the game doesn't have that many good heavies outside of the 2 blacks , gellius and bernice which is a gold.
    Because other classes totally have a ton more useful units outside of the odd black or two plus some plat and gold :P

    Jokes aside, Alicia is a nice unit. Lacks some block if you need a blocker, but a solid tanky unit for most purposes.

    You will get a free copy of Viera later so i would not put her at a high prio to get. People like me, who have a quite solid army, might want to look at CRing her though, since her eventual SAW turns her into a beast. Chydis is definitely a solid choice and if you have no other ninja, Hien is pretty nice (nothing to really go for asap though).

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    And Chydis is a healer. Unless you are very lucky and get Camilla AND Elyse from the gacha, Chydis is your best choice.

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    I would also stress the fact that you're still quite early into the game. Most plat+ units WILL eventually make their difference from gold and silver units heard once they get some levels and they get some affection items. What is enough now won't necessarily be enough later.

    Heck, the latest story map i needed 3 tanky units that could survive at least a 5,2k hit, along with healers to heal all 3 of them up before the next hit came in, to give you a perspective. Silvers and golds cannot do that :P
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    i know what u mean. Between cornelia which i've managed to SAW and anya , i rarely use heavies anymore for the simple fact that they are outdated. And while i do understand that this are 2 ultra defensive blacks , i still don't understand why heavy armors aren't the game's ultimate tanks. They should be. That's literally their role in the game. The fact that they aren't even the best at their role is rather bullshit.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenhou View Post
    ng with healers to heal all 3 of them up before the next hit came in, to give you a perspective. Silvers and golds cannot do that :P
    Yep, and DPS units have their own stat checks to deal with too. Basically, raw power in itself can make a unit a lot more versatile. For example, Soma is fine when you're a newbie but she'll never be good at cracking through 400+ armor units thanks to her silver stats and lack of an attack modifier. By contrast Spica can eventually hit 1k+ damage per shot and that makes her a viable option against a much wider array of targets.

    Quote Originally Posted by lolix View Post
    The fact that they aren't even the best at their role is rather bullshit
    The problem is that tanking is very binary and that makes Gellius a problematic template for what the class should look like. You can either take the hit or you can't, and since Gellius style heavy armors can do literally nothing else but act as a door stop their only virtue lies in surviving things that other classes can't. That's troublesome because Aigis war has enough different tanky units now that "Gellius style or GTFO" hits me as an even worse option than letting heavies stagnate. It'll grind some people's gears, but the patched SAW Deine/Diina model where Heavies do more than just take haymakers to the face is probably the better way forward than making heavies even more turtle-y. Personally, my big hope is that the HA Second Awakening has some pretty dramatic options that really mess around with their stats because as it stands now I feel like heavies get overcharged for the ability to quad block. A heavy armor build option that "only" blocks 2 or 3 but is cheaper and/or can wreck some face would make me, Miranda and Garrett a lot happier than just tacking on moar armor and moar block.
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    Actually i agree with most of your point. I also hope the second awakening will give some decent options for heavies , but i kinda disagree on gellius model being unhealthy. I personally like what gelius does , and it's nothing wrong in doing 1 thing as long as you do that 1 thing really well. The problem apears when other classes that are better then you in other areas , are still better then you in what should be your speciallity.

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