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    Youll never see thier use until you use her and thats the problem with people, they dont use them. Thats ok though, i mean... there are so many classes in this game. Just recognize that people who do use them actualy disagree with the common consensus. I have grace and diina, i often do not need to place a tank to tank something as i straight blow it up and if one is needed, diina and grace are already there. But those are shrine blacks. Shizuka for one is cheaper then them and as Zerozet is saying they are straight out better heavys as long as the heavys skill is not requierd.


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    Thats cause they still have a bad reputation from old times.
    This is definitely the single biggest issue and it's not even a misconception, really, because samurai haven't even completed their makeover yet. Samurai are decent but had to be power creeped into relevance and they're still not OP so there's been little reason for people to move heaven and earth to level them when they've already had a giant head start on grooming alternatives. Hibari, Shizuka, Kojuro and to a lesser extent Akane and Sakuya are all actually pretty interesting units with their full kit online but it's literally impossible to use any of them to their full potential on Nutaku whereas Bernice has been co-starring in walkthroughs for literal years. In the time it's taken for the class to git gud I've SAW'd Bernice, Gellius and Deine. Hell, I've SAW'd Bernice twice if you count DMM. Samurai are simultaneously better than advertised and mostly irrelevant.
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    Yea, in my case, I've recently rolled Sakuya. I like her design a lot. But I sit back and think about the investment it'd take to get her to the point of providing new functionality. What she could offer that a Bernice I recently awakened and leveled back up to ~59 can't do.
    Or what she could offer that would improve my army's capabilities moreso than putting those same resources elsewhere. Maybe level up Chydis more? Or Sera? Maybe level up Chloe more if I want a cheaper melee that can hit multiple dudes at once? Awaken and level up Odette? Awaken and level up Lucille if I want that expensive beefy duelist? Or Lolonee as another duelist option? And if we get any solid/interesting event plats in the near future, that's more competition for plat fairies/tin cans.

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    Oh, I should clarify when I say 'awaken and level' Odette/Lucille; that means they're at max level for CC. The others I've mentioned aren't even at max level for CC.... :/

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    this is exactly my point : it's not even that samurais are that bad. It's just that most of the niches they fill have already other options that are competitive (or better) then what most samurais would offer


    As i was pointing out : mage armors tend to be heavier and still dish dps wich is also aoe and magic. Advance guards are waaay cheaper and can provide gatekeeping options for weak mobs and heavies/black knights are straight up better tanks....

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    Things will flip quite a bit though as SAW rolls out for more units. Out of the Dark Fighters only the gacha black Cornelia is an obviously more compelling wall than the tankier samurai because Yurina and the Dark Knight have issues with their skill timers or durations. Yurina's EHP is so-so and the 50 second Initial Timer on her SAW is really painful on an expensive unit that doesn't bring much offense while the Dark Knight's short skill duration typically leads to people SAWing him and using him as high quality damage support rather than really treat him as a tank. By contrast Kojuro post SAW is stuck with a long Initial Timer like Yurina but actually beats her in both EHP and wave clear despite being a noticeably cheaper gold unit. Meanwhile Hibari--an event unit, might I add--and Shizuka smash Yurina in overall stats during skill activation. As far as mage armors go, again, things get much closer than you might think; Samurai have better attack speed and Magic damage becomes a bit of a double edged sword as high MR eventually becomes pretty common in high end content. Things eventually do reach a point where mage armors stop getting to simultaneously eat and have their cake--e.g., yes, Palfy can out-tank the tanky samurai with her SAW but she can't outdps them that way while Jessica can outdps tanky Samurai versus packs but can't actually outperform them as a road block. So as a general rule you have to start bringing gacha blacks like Cornelia, the Heavy sisters and Grace into the comparison for things to start getting one sided and while Hibari may indeed be weaker than them she's also an event unit and will still often end up getting developed by default.

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    lucky for me that i actually have cornelia then

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