Evolving Characters

[Hawaiianfly]

I got Tachi levelled up, got all the manjyu, gold and affection. But i cant evolve her. Kinda the same with Di Wu or whatever i evolved her once then got all whats needed to evolve her again but cant. Is there a list of chars that cannot be evolved? and is there a limit to how much a char can be evolved. could use a lil help here.

[Zenithale]

Check you don't have locked the Bloom Dragons you need to use.

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Hum, not sure I understand all what you wrote (espcially about Di Yu), but you can only Evolve your Knights one time.

[Tenhou]

You can only evolve once on nutaku FKG.

On DMM, which is much farther ahead due to being where the game was first released, you can evolve some girls a second time. More girls join this second evolution every week but not everyone due to them needing new art for their second evolution.

[Unregistered]

I think I spotted the problem. You don't evolve with Manyus, you evolve with Bloom Dragons. Each color is available to farm one day per week in the special campaign section. Tachibana requires three lvl 100 and two lvl 20 Purple Bloom Dragons to evolve. Unfortunately for you, Friday is Purple Bloom Dragon day and we're now on Saturday's special campaign so if you did truly mean that you had manyus instead of dragons you'll have to wait for another week to farm the dragons you need.

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Is there a daily limit for the Lv. 100 Bloom dragons? I can't get the third one if my life depended on it (on the same day)

[Drip]

I think I spotted the problem. You don't evolve with Manyus, you evolve with Bloom Dragons. Each color is available to farm one day per week in the special campaign section. Tachibana requires three lvl 100 and two lvl 20 Purple Bloom Dragons to evolve. Unfortunately for you, Friday is Purple Bloom Dragon day and we're now on Saturday's special campaign so if you did truly mean that you had manyus instead of dragons you'll have to wait for another week to farm the dragons you need.

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Is there a daily limit for the Lv. 100 Bloom dragons? I can't get the third one if my life depended on it (on the same day)
lvl 100 bloom dragons drop randomly and very frustratingly. If you ask me, all chests on the 80 stamina dragon maps should be converted to gold chests, so they at least won't ever drop lvl 5 dragons anymore, only lvl 20/100 dragons. (Same thing with the Manyu maps, really, the 80 stamina maps should only have gold chests)

[Saertis]

lvl 100 bloom dragons drop randomly and very frustratingly. If you ask me, all chests on the 80 stamina dragon maps should be converted to gold chests, so they at least won't ever drop lvl 5 dragons anymore, only lvl 20/100 dragons. (Same thing with the Manyu maps, really, the 80 stamina maps should only have gold chests)
I fully agree with that. But the way it's now we must spend more stamina on getting manyu/dragons so it takes us more time to lvl up/evolve our girls. And in the end we play longer (asuming it won't lead us to quit the game).

[Unregistered]

lvl 100 bloom dragons drop randomly and very frustratingly. If you ask me, all chests on the 80 stamina dragon maps should be converted to gold chests, so they at least won't ever drop lvl 5 dragons anymore, only lvl 20/100 dragons. (Same thing with the Manyu maps, really, the 80 stamina maps should only have gold chests)

That won't change a thing, at the rate the lvl 100 dragons pop, you are already selling lvl 5 and lvl 1 by the boat loads and they even sell for the same amount. As is, getting 1 lvl 100 dragon doesn't seem to be an issue, but there must be diminishing returns because getting a 2nd one sometimes is not possible, and getting a 3rd one is impossible on the same day. All of which means that to evolve a yellow you need to start farming bloom dragons 3 or 4 weeks in advance, who does that? To evolve a rainbow you need a month or more to get it, and then another month or more for the dragons, it is no fun!

[Myrdin]

That won't change a thing, at the rate the lvl 100 dragons pop, you are already selling lvl 5 and lvl 1 by the boat loads and they even sell for the same amount. As is, getting 1 lvl 100 dragon doesn't seem to be an issue, but there must be diminishing returns because getting a 2nd one sometimes is not possible, and getting a 3rd one is impossible on the same day. All of which means that to evolve a yellow you need to start farming bloom dragons 3 or 4 weeks in advance, who does that? To evolve a rainbow you need a month or more to get it, and then another month or more for the dragons, it is no fun!

Ahem I would disagree. Once I have gotten 3 100lvl dragon out of 4 chests in a single run.
Subsequently in different ones to this one I have gotten one of them, and in the second one 2 of them.
Id say its totally random with certain low threshold. And you just roll the die at the end of the map. If lucky you might pull a biggie.
If not you can burn through your whole stamina and gain jack sh*t is the way I am seeing this.

[Ikki]

lvl 100 bloom dragons drop randomly and very frustratingly. If you ask me, all chests on the 80 stamina dragon maps should be converted to gold chests, so they at least won't ever drop lvl 5 dragons anymore, only lvl 20/100 dragons. (Same thing with the Manyu maps, really, the 80 stamina maps should only have gold chests)

Full gold chest would be too much if you ask me, maybe a gold chest at the end (since you can miss the other 3) like SG would be more rewarding and less frustrating than getting 4 normal chest for example with 4 of those fking lvl 5 drags

[Lied]

I'd totally be down for less variance in chests, but I don't see that happening
RNG is RNG:

http://i.imgur.com/3He4Vun.png
http://i.imgur.com/9EceSlF.png

[Zerana]

I'd totally be down for less variance in chests, but I don't see that happening
RNG is RNG:

http://i.imgur.com/3He4Vun.png
http://i.imgur.com/9EceSlF.png


Totally had that happen to me before. RNG gods can be generous, or down right evil.

[Tenhou]

Totally had that happen to me before. RNG gods can be generous, or down right evil.

I once wanted to upgrade this one girl and needed 3 bronze dragons. 3 runs later i still did not have all of them but i sure had millions of gold dragons... rng sometimes loves to screw with people.

[MiqDoloran]

Sounds like you ran the intermediate or hard mission for the baby dragons? Lol

[Ello]

Which maps would you suggest to earn the gold dragons? Naturally i assumed the 80 Stamina ones, but there's only 4 chests (high end items in high end maps).
On the beginner map, there are 2 chests for 25 Stamina. 3 Times would be 75 Stamina for 6 chests.
Sounds like a better deal for me. Would be logical if gold dragons didn't drop there, but i didn't test it. Maybe the chance to get a gold chest there is less likely...
What are your experiences? Where do you farm the dragons? I cleared the 80 stamina maps several time and thought maybe there is a smarter way.

EDIT: Just looked up the first map. There ought to be no gold dragons in the beginner chests. Still - If you compare it to the intermediate map: 3 Chests for 50 Stamina (~17/chest) is better than 4 for 80 (20/chest) + 3 of the 4 chests on the advanced map have a chance to be missed.

[Ancarius]

Which maps would you suggest to earn the gold dragons? Naturally i assumed the 80 Stamina ones, but there's only 4 chests (high end items in high end maps).
On the beginner map, there are 2 chests for 25 Stamina. 3 Times would be 75 Stamina for 6 chests.
Sounds like a better deal for me. Would be logical if gold dragons didn't drop there, but i didn't test it. Maybe the chance to get a gold chest there is less likely...
What are your experiences? Where do you farm the dragons? I cleared the 80 stamina maps several time and thought maybe there is a smarter way.

EDIT: Just looked up the first map. There ought to be no gold dragons in the beginner chests. Still - If you compare it to the intermediate map: 3 Chests for 50 Stamina (~17/chest) is better than 4 for 80 (20/chest) + 3 of the 4 chests on the advanced map have a chance to be missed.

The problem in your math is that you assume the chance for every type of dragon is the same on each map. The 80 Sta has the highest for the Gold Dragons so it is a better place to get those dragons than on the earlier maps.

[Ello]

The problem in your math is that you assume the chance for every type of dragon is the same on each map. The 80 Sta has the highest for the Gold Dragons so it is a better place to get those dragons than on the earlier maps.

Is yours an assumption, experince or really proven?

[Drip]

Is yours an assumption, experince or really proven?
And that's the problem, we don't know the droprates for gold dragons (or Manyus for that matter), we don't even know whether there is actually any variety in those rates between the different maps.
And with FKG, I wouldn't blindly assume that more stamina=better. Just look at the intermediate Secret Garden or daily gold maps, which aren't as efficient as the beginner maps. Or 13-X not being as efficient as 12-3 or 12-5. The rewards actually don't seem to be very important when the developers design these maps. They seem more interested in creating a puzzle-aspect and making the maps somewhat fun to do. Difficulty is mostly decided by the level of the pests, and the potential rewards scale with that. Avarage or minimal rewards hardly seem to be taken into consideration at all, only potential maximum rewards.

[IvanLedah21]

Is yours an assumption, experince or really proven?

Well, from collective experience (my own and others here), what he states it true. the gold level 100s pretty much never (if they ever do, I've never seen it) show up in the Beginner, and are very rare in Intermediate, where over time they're rare-ish in Advanced.

That said, RNG loves to screw with people sometimes and adorn them other times, so if you want to give Intermediate a go and see if you get a lucky streak, by all means go ahead.

My own experience:
Beginner: 80/20/0
Intermediate: 50/45/5
Advanced: 30/50/20

Also, you say that 3/4 chests on Advanced can be missed but the chances of missing that many in the same run is absurdly low (ALL of your units would have to go through RNG nodes to the center-left, through the RNG node into the nests.
Assuming you use default setup and all possible paths have the same odds, the chance of that happening is:
Each of the top 3: 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4
Bottom 2: 1/3x1/2 = 1/6
1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/6 x 1/6 = 1/2304

Just saying.

[MiqDoloran]

I wouldn't farm anything other than 80 stamina for the big dragons.

[Ello]

Thanks for your opinions and estimations. Actually i don't see a way to miss 3 treasures in one run. I just wanted to mention, that 3 of them have the potential to get missed, so you get only 2 or 3 treasures in one run AND that's the difference to intermediate run, cause there you have a 100% of getting all 3 chests. I will try out the intermediate run today in the evening with 200+ stamina and will let you know the results. Afterwards you can thank me and grind the intermediate run from now on until doomsday xD

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HAHA. Not quite. x'D
4 runs, 2 times 2 gold chest, 2 time 2 gold chests - no gold dragon. maybe bad luck - but I'm also back to 80s run.