I .. 30cc ..ed almost everyone, am I fucked?

[dtomoyo]

I stopped playing after Anya side quest,

so it was around 1 year of break,
and I totally forgot about 30cc and 50cc..

I 30cced so many blacks and plats..
even awaken them as well

is there anything I can do ? or am I fucked for real?
30cc awaken Marr really makes me sad (...-270 hp // - 18 Attack // -15 defense )

fucked black units : 30 cc Sophie, 30 cc Despara and 30 cc Saki (fml)
fucked plat units: unicost -2 30cc Dahlia and 30 cc Gellius (.....
fucked gold unit : 30 cc Mehlis

what can I do.. is that really that big of difference ?
I think it drops a whole tier (200~300 hp // 20~30 attack/ 20~30 def ish so black -> plat -> gold -> silver )

is there anyone I can still use (...) ?

god my life..

[Eab1990]

Yep, all fucked.

Next time, do your research.

[Kotono]

Sure, they now have a permanent stat loss.
But if that is the difference between success or failure on a map, then you have other things to work on still anyway.

[Unregistered X]

All those early CCed units are broken, and there's no way to "fix" them. That said, while they will suffer lower stats, it's not entirely the end of the world, in most cases, you'll just have to level them higher than you need to for the same content. Some of those units are very good and can still be used despite the lower stats (although a painful sight nevertheless).

Sophie and Marr should still be usable despite the marginal stat loss (compared to their max stats). Neither are really replaceable regardless.

Despara and Gellius almost drops a tier due to the missing stats (and higher natural cost) and should only be used if you don't have anything better to replace them (getting a mincost Belinda in the current revival would be ideal). Once you get a better replacement, you'll have to do some research into SAW and decide for yourself if they are worth keeping or to sell them off for rainbow crystals to get Danchou.

Saki and Mehlis are replaceable, so there's no real worry there...

Dahlia isn't really a highly prized unit, so while it's a waste of a -2cr plat valk, you can keep her around as a valk buffer or something.

[Ericridge]

Yes, you're fucked. Short of spending even more money to undo your mistake and reacquire the units, there's nothing you can do about it.

[buttlover]

If anything you should still easily complete events, so there is no real difference other than "she could have been perfect".

Just treat them as "collection items" as I would to some girls that I like the art but I know are weak.
I still level them up and give them aff items.
One good thing about nutaku is, you'll have the time to repair the dmg =D

Btw, kotono. Do you know what happened to lafate?

[Meister]

I did the same thing on my 1st silver units when I began, unfortunately katie got the same fate also. I was able to recover fast since they were only silver units that can be quickly replaced. Now they are gone, used as AW fodder except for katie AW'ed n all that is still in my team not just to remind me of my noobness since Katie's role is just for quick deployment/retreat UP generator, It never really bothered me that much that she is broken. :D

[Nero010]

It shouldnt be the players duty to do researches in wikis and on the internet when being a noob (which is what i did when i saw that u can cc at 30 and dont have to at 50 and i got highly suspicious). The game itself should have a warning like "Warning: Note that Units CCed below level 50 will lose stats and wont recover them."

[lolix]

this thread ...hurts me.

That being said , compared to their max stats , most of the units are usable....and realistically speaking , 200 hp and 20 damage wont influence the outcome of a fight that often , so they still should be mostly usable.

As well , the saki , dahlia and mehlis are not THAT big of a deal , since saki is easily replaceable with time , and dahlia is not that huge of a loss. Mehlis , while good , is also not that important.

The issue is despara and sophie really...



Other then that , dunno what to say. You can whale up and aquire them again....ofc if you can afford that.

[Eab1990]

It shouldnt be the players duty to do researches in wikis and on the internet when being a noob (which is what i did when i saw that u can cc at 30 and dont have to at 50 and i got highly suspicious). The game itself should have a warning like "Warning: Note that Units CCed below level 50 will lose stats and wont recover them."

Gaming common sense goes a long way.

I always use the Fire Emblem argument here, since it seems like the most casual example.

You can promote units as early as level 10, but if you want the best stats, you should promote at the max, level 20.

Besides, you should at least be able to infer that you're not getting the most out of your character's stats by CC'ing them early.

The one thing Aigis is actually guilty of is not emphasizing the importance of silvers early on.

[Ramazan]

I wonder if anyone didnt used any silvers by mistake when they 'first' started to game. Shouldnt be, if they didnt read any guides before playing at all O.o Well he should ofc ask or search when to cc because you cant be sure about it just yourself because there is a selection, cc at 30 or 50, you just shouldnt roll the dices there. But in the beginning game offers to many silvers that you dont want to even bother yourself searching about if they are important or not because you think they come often to your team, until you meet with ccing.

[lolix]

i didnt ramazan , and i havent read any guide either...well not untill i made my second account (which was at quite some time after)

Maybe its just me ... but that always seemed like common sense to me. Then again , ive been a gamer for more then some people lived , so i guess i do have some experience...

[IvanLedah21]

As a Fire Emblem vet, I assumed you miss out on stats if you "promote" (CC) early.

[Nero010]

As an hardcore (around 2000+ hours gameplay) disgaea series fan i was able to assume that too. There u can reincarnate characters but u wont get the most out of it if u dont do it at level 9999 (yes 4 digits). Well in that game though its a lot more forgiving done once since u can reincarnate for about 32 times if i remember right. (yes 32*9999 levels).
Im luckly a strategie type of guy. When starting to play a game i didnt plan to play (like aigis which i started playing like 4 am in the morning) i usualy look up a wiki and guides (i was lurking in this forum for more then a month befor signing in) within at latest one day after starting to play. As i learned from past mistakes in games that u can never be sure enough.
But that shouldnt be an expectiation to aigis newbie players. A lot like to learn through trial and error. A game should enable errors but make sure to at least hint at errors that CANT be made up for. ccing at 30 is an error that cant be undone or played around and later getting corrected. Its impossible to correct. Such Errors are more toxic to a game then encouraging a challanging game curve. Who doesnt read a warning can at least say it was his own fault, thats stupid but doesnt frustrate u as something u couldnt know if not searching for it external at unofficial sources. And that is whats bugging me. You need unofficial sources. The game even if not offering a warning at least needs to have an own source where it explains something as game cutting as that, its the developers responsibility not the responsibility of the community to make the error and then pass it down to the newbs who use google and find them in some forum.
Im only saying this as, like lolix, this threat realy hurts my soul^^"

[IvanLedah21]

Yeah, it hurts to see people end up like this. I'd love to believe people would assume that since your level resets to 1 after CC, any levels you're short of 50 pre-CC would be lost, but some people aren't experienced gamers who make that assumption/connection. "It sounds like a quick jump in power, OK!"

Ultimately, the biggest issue is that if you make such a mistake with premium units (read: anything above Silver) then it is essentially impossible to correct without re-rolling the unit, feeding the "mistake copy" to the new, properly raised copy, which isn't really correcting it in the first place.

[MalusCorvus]

i didnt ramazan , and i havent read any guide either...well not untill i made my second account (which was at quite some time after)

Maybe its just me ... but that always seemed like common sense to me. Then again , ive been a gamer for more then some people lived , so i guess i do have some experience...

I dunno, one problem I have with MWA is there's a few things that the game kinda implies you should do, but which, unintuitively, you really shouldn't except in certain circumstnaces. One is CC-ing at level 30, the other one is using silver units for combination. I always thought the latter was rather galling since the game also doesn't tell you that you need silvers for CC-ing...

[Unregistered]

Where at all does the game kinda imply you should be CCing at 30? Also, as pointed by many with any game experience, it's not at all unintuitive. As for the second part, using silvers in combination is perfectly fine to get CR/SU, you just don't have the loads of silvers to spare early on if you also want to be CCing more valuable units, which is the best long term play. If you're suggesting that the game should be actively telling you the best way to play (especially so in a F2P game) ... then you have much to learn.

[MalusCorvus]

Where at all does the game kinda imply you should be CCing at 30?[/qupte]

The part where it tells you, "Hey, you can CC now!" at level 30, and tells you nothing else.

[quote]If you're suggesting that the game should be actively telling you the best way to play (especially so in a F2P game) ... then you have much to learn.

There's a difference between telling the player the best way to play, and telling the player what happens when they do X. MWA generally isn't very transparent with its mechanics...

[Unregistered]

There's also a difference between telling you something is possible and telling you should/should not do so. Think you need to look up what implying means because it certainly doesn't imply that at all.

[MalusCorvus]

There's also a difference between telling you something is possible and telling you should/should not do so.

MWA does the former and does not tell you you shouldn't. It's been a while since I've been at that point so I admit I don't clearly recall what it does say, but it gives no indication that you might not want to do so.

As evidenced by the repeated accounts of people CC-ing at level 30, I think that should be an obvious indicator that things could stand to be a little more clear. Is it too much to ask for the proverbial instruction manual to be a little more... informative?

[buttlover]

I remember back when i first started, when i had to CC was when I first started to look for an aigis guide.
That was when I found out about everything else. If I hadn't search for a guide, I would probably start level a 50/50 -> CC.
I mean why stop at 30? Never did find a reason too.

[Unregistered]

^^ As buttlover mentioned, it's very intuitive to 50/50 first and most of us who didn't would've immediately confirmed with a quick google search. Also, most don't make it as far as doing it to premium shrine units and can just reroll if they blow their KAtie, Iris, or Bashira etc. Just because a few dumbies didn't think about things doesn't mean they need to waste what little dev time our version already seems to get on stupid warnings.

If MWA does the former (letting you know you can CC at lvl 30) and neither tells you you should nor shouldn't do it, then that's not implying, that's just informing you of the option. It's certainly a nice option to have when we have skill changes after CC and need CC silvers for AW. Also, the game doesn't really even do this either, it really lets you figure out the game systems on your own. which is great considering they aren't incredibly difficult.

TLDR If you're spending money or large amounts of time on a game, I think it's intuitive to look up anything you have questions on before taking irreparable actions or blaming devs (this is one thing you can't blame them for).