Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A [Archive] - Page 28

Unregistered

11-03-2018, 03:04 PM

Stinger's unreliable, sure, but at lv 30 it's ~15% chance to roll that +20% to damage. I think the risk/reward ratio there on all your attacks is enough to be worth it over... whatever Rush (S) at lv 30 is for regular attacks. It's really the possibility that it can apply to your bursts that does it for me. The elemental advantage restriction doesn't bother me since I switch teams depending on element. Also, since the comparison is picking from among the different union event weapons, it's implied that you're not so tied down to a single element.

Now if you're a fire main, you'll FLB a couple of Wrath bows eventually anyway. The context here changes a bit to being annoyed at how whoever handles events hates fire. The very noticable stretches of no fire events aside, what you do get outside of old advent FLB stuff isn't all that great, relatively speaking. Having your first union event weapon's FLB being Rush is adding another insult onto the pile.

Gludateton

11-03-2018, 03:39 PM

I think the risk/reward ratio there on all your attacks is enough to be worth it over... whatever Rush (S) at lv 30 is for regular attacks.

This 'whatever' is whole point here and thing we were discussing, and it is probably really low, otherwise people wouldn't bitch about it that much.

HugMeTender

11-03-2018, 05:00 PM

is it no nut november or no fap november cuz if u fap and dont nut does that count or do you lose if you fap in general hmmmmmmmmmmmmmAsking the hard questions. I prefer to use the mental powers gained from doing neither to telekinetically stimulate my meat.

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nut

11-03-2018, 05:03 PM

Who said I can only get one of the two? I already farmed 3/4 of the sword by now spamming Ultimate on Auto-Battle. The point is that I wasted my time and resources farming the spear first and leveling it past 80, when I should have leveled the sword first because I'm not in a position where those resources are worthwhile on the spear.

I don't consider the sword a waste of mats (enhancing-wise or advent-wise) because I'm not in a situation where I have some super powerful SLVL20 SR to replace with an SSR. I have the SR dark gun at SLVL9, which caps out at around 1400-1500 ATK, whereas the swords caps out on 2300. This is a big improvement and I don't have any other alternatives besides the spear (as in, no other event SSR LB3's to farm). This makes the sword way more appealing for me: I literally just need the stats, it's a straight upgrade to what I currently have.

Advent material wise, buying everything is advantageous because I'm so weak, I actually need almost everything including Soul Points, so the sword is great filler because it doesn't cost any N-advent material and cost a crap ton of SR + SSR material. This is good for me because N+R material can be used to buy Half Elixirs from the same event for very cheap, netting me more resources overall than I spend + gold chests drop SR weapon/eidolon enhancement material. The excess N + R material at the end I can spend on the 600 available Soul Points, which vastly accelerates the rate at which I acquire my EX skills, which would be slow as balls otherwise (400 more to D'Artagnan for SS, 700 to Joan for Trial, 900 to Hercules).

So yeah, the main point is that I need an outlet for my resources, and the sword is way better for that right now. The spear is comparatively not useful to me right now because it takes too much for too little where I currently am at, it doesn't match the rate at which my party is growing.

How can I MLB the Lance? I'm farming Ultimate on Ability-Auto, can barely do Ragnarok with an Endurance build + some elemental advantage, but GO eviscerates me, so how can I farm Orichalcon to MLB the lance?

I said IF you can only get one, get the lance since you can only get it now. If you can get all of them then just get them all and use whatever you want first.

Unregistered

11-03-2018, 06:02 PM

were there any suggestions on what to spend extra oris on? or will those weapons eventually be replaced with weapons that have final limit breaks?

looking at the jp wiki, the only added weapons i see appear to be the dual skill ++ assault weapons but with very low stats. are future event weapons after the ori shop implementation not added?

KTA

11-03-2018, 10:05 PM

How do Union Events work in terms of grinding them and obtaining rewards btw? Can't find any detailed guide on it on the wiki and I figure I kind of need to prepare.

Slashley

11-04-2018, 04:19 AM

How do Union Events work in terms of grinding them and obtaining rewards btw? Can't find any detailed guide on it on the wiki and I figure I kind of need to prepare.Along with your Union, you spend AP to grind Grails. Grails can be spent for buffs by Officers to help in the BP fights, maximum of 400 a day. 100 Atk is a must, the remaining 300 are up to you (Double is better than Triple FYI).

If your Union is not aiming for rankings, you'll probably spend all your AP and BP killing the bosses throughout the week to get the necessary kills over the week and the necessary Grails to get those kills easier.

If you ARE looking for the rankings, then your Union just needs to farm 800 Grails. On one day you've agreed on, you all push as many Ult kills as possible, and on another you push for as many Expert kills as possible. You don't need to farm the fights at all outside of these. 100 Grails on Affliction and Awakened Thor for many members are a must.

Union fights will FLOOD you in weapon and Eidolon fodder, so if those are a problem to you, well, they won't be after your first Union event. Having max level weapons and especially Eidolons will be a joke after even one of these events.

QXZ

11-04-2018, 05:48 AM

AutoCrimson

11-04-2018, 07:08 AM

with the coming of ori shop the words "extra oris"...

personally i'd suggest only that light gun tho

HugMeTender

11-04-2018, 11:12 AM

I noticed the shop SSR weapons have great stats as well as fairly strong FLB ability bonuses. On the burst abilities, however, is there EVER a reason to use the shop SSR as a main weapon? All the Soul Weapons just seem so much better.

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Slashley

11-04-2018, 11:23 AM

QXZ

11-04-2018, 07:14 PM

with the coming of ori shop the words "extra oris"...

personally i'd suggest only that light gun tho

that is exactly what i did -> going to MLB my 2nd Barong gun.

Unregistered

11-04-2018, 07:37 PM

I see that I can pull premium tickets 10x now. Will a 10x pull guarantee an SR or better like the jewel gacha?

Just asking because I tend to use premium tickets to test the gacha's mood. If I don't get an SR after 5 premium tickets I figure the gacha is in a bad mood.

Unregistered

11-04-2018, 10:36 PM

Gludateton

11-05-2018, 02:13 AM

with the coming of ori shop the words "extra oris"...

personally i'd suggest only that light gun tho

And I'd suggest dual-skill weapons, preferably Amaru's glaive. If you don't have some Kamihime weapons you are stuck with this for Assault/Defender weapons till June (you'll get Defender(L)/Pride(S) in January though).

Kitty

11-06-2018, 02:45 PM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314411010301755392/509482975541461012/after_before.png

pretty cute how DMM updated some of the girls sprites in battle since they were so outdated.
these are just a few examples, but there are much more... some are subtle like tsukuyomis but some are complete redesigns like beelzebub...
you can see an obvious difference with Amon/Amon Unleashed before and after too... 2 lazy to find them tho

Unregistered

11-07-2018, 09:22 AM

Ooh, latest collab on DMM is with Kadokawa. Easily the one most familiar to those of us in the west, as the corresponding set of kamihime are from Suzumiya Haruhi :P

Unregistered

11-07-2018, 03:33 PM

30 points to sell, +1 to eat. Tough call. What do you guys do?

Unregistered

11-07-2018, 03:40 PM

Soul weapons basically have replaced main slots entirely, yes. You can forget about Burst effects from weapons now.

And yes, the shop SSRs are the best weapons in the game. But they're also un-attainable for anyone but the whaliest of whales.

You don't have to whale that hard. Every month there's a gacha that gives an SSR weaapn ticket as a bonus. That ticket will get you a random shop weapon, which, from what /////i hear, you'll be able to limit break once we get tower raids (not sure when that is though).

Tanukimo

11-07-2018, 03:44 PM

30 points to sell, +1 to eat. Tough call. What do you guys do?

+1 always.

Aidoru

11-07-2018, 05:02 PM

Sell for points unless you already have all the kaisers. You get plenty of +1s from gem gacha.

Unregistered

11-07-2018, 08:56 PM

I've only been playing for about 2 weeks and have been trying to farm events, raids, sp quests etc. to get materials to strengthen my team, and I've noticed that the more I do a quest, the fewer and fewer chests seem to spawn. Its got to the point that even on expert for the raid and SP quests, I'm sometimes only getting 2-3 chests where I was getting 10+ before (and I can't clear ultimate yet). I haven't found any information about why this happens or if there's a way around it through google, can anyone explain it to me?

Slashley

11-07-2018, 10:20 PM

30 points to sell, +1 to eat. Tough call. What do you guys do?Until you have five strong SSR Eidolons with +99, without a doubt +1. Powering up all your teams is important.

After that... personally, I'd still go for +1, but it's up to you.
I've only been playing for about 2 weeks and have been trying to farm events, raids, sp quests etc. to get materials to strengthen my team, and I've noticed that the more I do a quest, the fewer and fewer chests seem to spawn. Its got to the point that even on expert for the raid and SP quests, I'm sometimes only getting 2-3 chests where I was getting 10+ before (and I can't clear ultimate yet). I haven't found any information about why this happens or if there's a way around it through google, can anyone explain it to me?Random is going to random. As far as I know, there is no mechanic that gimps drops over time.

Niime

11-09-2018, 09:57 AM

Hello there~

Three quick questions, what should I prioritize in the prizes of the advent battles? Apocalypse finished yesterday and I have enough to get four swords, though I may not get them since I'm kinda new, 3 months old and main element is Thunder, with sub being Light. (100 rerolls before throwing the towel, Kirin being 96° with not even SR Kamis)

Already got all the jewels and tickets, right know in short term I need materials to final limit break 2 SR and limit break a random Tyr I got the other day. Should I get the mats or the equipment? I ask because I still haven't figured if rematch events repeats themselves after a second run and my collectionist blood is killing me to get the limited time things :/

Just noticed I have 4 copies of Vlad, should I merge them or use all of them for easier drops? and talking about it, does that even work? I have not seem any real difference between using Dart/drop rate eidolons and any other set up.

And also, anything worth pulling between now and Aphrodite -around January I guess-, or should I save the jewels?

Thanks in advance, the game is fun but gosh is ruthless to new players.

P.D. lul with the Haruhi collab, they got "officially" lewded before anything more worth.

Gludateton

11-09-2018, 10:29 AM

Three quick questions, what should I prioritize in the prizes of the advent battles?
For Apocalypse event SSR spear is priority (after half elixirs, half elixirs are always top priority), if you have enough materials to get 4 copies and final limit break it that is.
After that it depends, if you don't have enough eidolons, get Apocalypse herself. SSR sword is not bad also.

Just noticed I have 4 copies of Vlad, should I merge them or use all of them for easier drops? and talking about it, does that even work? I have not seem any real difference between using Dart/drop rate eidolons and any other set up.
Only effect from main eidolon applies to party, rest are there just for stats and for summoning during battles and sometimes for effect of main eidolon (for example Anubis, Managarm, Horus or Pazuzu).

And also, anything worth pulling between now and Aphrodite -around January I guess-, or should I save the jewels?
Berith is top tier dark Kamihime, Aether and Nephthys are both pretty good too. I'd save jewels though, even more so if you main thunder.

[QUOTE=Niime;131879]P.D. lul with the Haruhi collab, they got "officially" lewded before anything more worth.
There's no porn for Haruhi's characters, at least in KamiPro.

Aidoru

11-09-2018, 02:42 PM

Haruhi looks out of place. They should have removed her headband or better yet, used her bunny outfit with a guitar weapon.

QXZ

11-09-2018, 05:12 PM

Haruhi looks out of place. They should have removed her headband or better yet, used her bunny outfit with a guitar weapon.

the most important part is her harem. :silly:

HugMeTender

11-09-2018, 08:25 PM

FINALLY have another 600 Soul P. Having only unlocked D'Art, Mordred, and Hercules so far, what's my next best option? It takes a while since I rarely get Soul P (I barely have enough time to farm all the good items from events.)

Currently Thunder is my main, however I'm working on fire (I have Belial) and water (good Hime lineup). Is Andromeda worthwhile since Thunder has no (except limited Ryo) healers?

I'm also a mere 220 Holy Soul P away from Shingen :grin:

P.S. I'll definitely be using a miracle ticket on fire most likely since I pulled Belial and will probably break her soon with my shinny item thingy. Don't know if fire pairs up with certain souls really well.

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Cobblemaniac

11-10-2018, 12:14 AM

Unregistered

11-10-2018, 11:51 AM

Anyone know when we're getting it, how it works, and difficulty compared to GO/Soling a rag catastrophe boss?

AutoCrimson

11-10-2018, 12:32 PM

the most important part is her harem.

actually it's Kyon's, not to mention that Haruhi power is firstly borrowed from Yuki

Slashley

11-10-2018, 12:52 PM

actually it's Kyon's, not to mention that Haruhi power is firstly borrowed from YukiSince when? I haven't read the last book, but I'm pretty sure that it's the other way around.

Maria

11-10-2018, 08:10 PM

Well, UE Pride is coming... (again) I guess it's time to prepare for slave work~ :wink:
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Dejnov

11-11-2018, 12:00 AM

bigblackcock

11-11-2018, 01:08 AM

I'm looking for some advice on how to grow my current dark team.

Right now I'm running Susanoo, Osiris, Manes, and Nyarlathotep with Lu Bu and Erishkigal in the back. I have Mordred as the soul.

I believe that I can get Hercules fairly soon (180 soul points to go) and am thinking that the above line-up will make a great BURST build.

Hercules has 30% burst self bonus with weapon, Manes has 20% burst self bonus, and Osiris has 15% burst all.

I can also run Jack O' Lantern for Zeal (+5% burst/attack for 3 rounds)

I can use Black Propaganda initially, with -15% ATK (Nyarl) and -40% DEF (Nyral and Axe Neme), two heals (1000HP and 1100HP each).

Later I can switch to Shingen (or add Provisional Forest to Hercules) which should also help my burst speed, but we're talking a long long time for that (840 Holy Soul Points away from that!) and the loss of Black Propoganda.

I'm interested to know if this is a viable end game team as it's going to take a long time to do and will distract me from my Water team (36k atk currently vs. 27k atk on the dark team).

What does everyone think?

DEJNOV

well, i don't know about your water team so can't compare them.
but are you f2p or willing to spend money on the game like buying miracle ticket?
as much as this team sounds good for you now, in the end of the game you would like to have a full SSR team.
good dark SSR kamis that are available now are awakened satan, chernobog, pluto and maybe thanatos, ofc there are others in the future that you should consider as well.
aside of that, you would like more kamis that actually deal damage and cover as much debuffs as you can.
if you put nyarla alone in front and rely on hercules def debuff, it means you'll fight with -15% def debuff till hercules can do her burst attack.

AutoCrimson

11-11-2018, 03:46 AM

Right now I'm running Susanoo, Osiris, Manes, and Nyarlathotep with Lu Bu and Erishkigal in the back. I have Mordred as the soul.

i believe u are not running Mordred w/Sniper Shot, so why not push Manes to backrow and Lu Bu in main?

Aidoru

11-11-2018, 09:00 AM

Unregistered

11-11-2018, 09:20 AM

I got a decision to be make

Spend regalia core on FLB dark lance or exchange relic weapon?

Gludateton

11-11-2018, 10:07 AM

Replace Manes with Lu Bu. Manes is not as good as she seems, her cooldowns are far too long, unless you're fighting something that'll one shot your team 1 by 1 like light catastrophe and you already have Osiris for heals.
I'd say that Manes is good at what she's supposed to do (being scary when team is falling apart). Also pairing her with Andromeda can bring some funny results. I'd agree to replace her with Lu Bu in most teams though.

If you plan to get any Miracle Tickets for your dark team, getting Hercules' axe could be a potential waste of resource as darks have many def down himes. For example, if you had Thanatos, along with Nyar and Lu Bu, youd hit def cap without Hercules and be able to use Shingen with Black Prop (if you still wanted too.) Not that I'm saying to go straight for Thanatos but it's one of the possibilities if you plan to get a ticket for your dark team.
It could be potential gain too, get Satan AW and with Herc's Axe you have 50% def down, opening 2 slots for whatever Kamihime you like (though in this situation Shingen with SS will do too). It really depends on what you have on hand.

Dejnov

11-11-2018, 07:24 PM

Replace Manes with Lu Bu. Manes is not as good as she seems, her cooldowns are far too long, unless you're fighting something that'll one shot your team 1 by 1 like light catastrophe and you already have Osiris for heals.

If you plan to get any Miracle Tickets for your dark team, getting Hercules' axe could be a potential waste of resource as darks have many def down himes. For example, if you had Thanatos, along with Nyar and Lu Bu, youd hit def cap without Hercules and be able to use Shingen with Black Prop (if you still wanted too.) Not that I'm saying to go straight for Thanatos but it's one of the possibilities if you plan to get a ticket for your dark team.

Agreed on replacing Manes with Lu Bu. I've been running her and that 10 turn cool down is forever.

I'll be going for a dark pick on my next miracle ticket. Sanhatlig's guide suggests either Hades, Amon, or Satan. Would you recommend Thanatos over them.

If I do go with Thanatos, Osiris, Lu Bu, and Nyarl, should I still go with Hercules and eventually Provisional Forest or just stick with Hercules and her Axe?

The picking up of Thanatos leads to a team of Thanatos, Osiris, Hades, and Lu Bu next...

DEJNOV.

P.S. Thanks for the advice; will keep working on the Dark team till the next miracle ticket.

artista

11-11-2018, 07:46 PM

Agreed on replacing Manes with Lu Bu. I've been running her and that 10 turn cool down is forever.

I'll be going for a dark pick on my next miracle ticket. Sanhatlig's guide suggests either Hades, Amon, or Satan. Would you recommend Thanatos over them.

If I do go with Thanatos, Osiris, Lu Bu, and Nyarl, should I still go with Hercules and eventually Provisional Forest or just stick with Hercules and her Axe?

The picking up of Thanatos leads to a team of Thanatos, Osiris, Hades, and Lu Bu next...

DEJNOV.

P.S. Thanks for the advice; will keep working on the Dark team till the next miracle ticket.

I dont recommend mtix on hades, shes not core honestly. I would go with Pluto or Satan.

Aidoru

11-11-2018, 10:07 PM

Dejnov

11-11-2018, 10:45 PM

Aidoru

11-11-2018, 11:05 PM

If not Amon, Hades, or Satan what would be a good Hime to get for Dark? Hercules is in about two to three weeks... Shingen needs Holy Soul Points which will take time (but I have no issue with that route either).

I'll stay of spending for Hercules axe for now also.

Dejnov.

Thanatos or Satan would be my suggestions. Then Pluto. Maybe Chernobog after but I haven't ever used her, though I hear she's rather strong. Samuel will be out mid-December but I don't think she'll be available in the upcoming miracle ticket, I could be wrong.

If you don't plan to use Hercules' ax, you may as well not use her at all then. That's really her only use if you don't even have Shingen unlocked to use PF as an ex skill. Hercules can hit hard I guess but that's about it. You may as well stick with Mordred for Black Propaganda and a free ex skill slot in that case.

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 01:50 AM

Grab Thanatos if you're planning to use Shingen, otherwise you can grab anyone if you're gonna use Hercules as you can reach the def cap using Nyar, Lu Bu and Hercules's max break limit ax. If you plan to get Thanatos, there's no need for Hercules as you can reach def cap without her, meaning you'd be better off with Shingen. Regardless, I'm sure you can clear the current content with either souls and whomever you get as long as you level up your grids.
Do remember that getting Thanatos/Lu Bu/Nyar means He has to throw either Osiris or Susanoo from party (as Susanoo is probably not AW then it's not that big, but if she's AW then it'll be quite some damage loss).

If you don't plan to use Hercules' ax, you may as well not use her at all then. That's really her only use if you don't even have Shingen unlocked to use PF as an ex skill. Hercules can hit hard I guess but that's about it. You may as well stick with Mordred for Black Propaganda and a free ex skill slot in that case.
This is... just wow.
It's like people see in Hercules just her DEF down and nuke. While I do agree that not using her Axe is basically not using her to full potential, I feel the need to remind people about her other aspects:
Ability 2: +30% ATK, +20% double attack rate, +15% triple attack rate, +30% burst gauge gained to self for 5 turns (7 turns cooldown for Herc)
Ability 3: +30% DEF, 30% reflect, some affliction resist, 300 regen every turn to self for 5 turns (7 turns cooldown for Herc)
Assist 1: Some ATK up (probably something like 5% or 8%, nothing really important)
Assist 2: -1 turn cooldown for abilities (including EX ability)

What do we make of it ?
First: she's fast. Not Shingen fast, but fast nevertheless. With team with Thanatos and Osiris you'll need some faster Soul (Shingen, Morgan, Herc or Arthur), if you don't want to end in situation when team is ready for Full Burst, but Soul still is sitting at 70 or 80 BG.
Second: She's tanky. When under buffs from third ability, she recieves about 45-46% less damage than other unbuffed Souls (depends on how much Master DEF bonus you have), also makes stacking damage cuts on her easier. When light rag starts deleting party members, there's a much higher chance that Herc will live when hit (at least through one nuke).
Third: Her second is helpful in some situations (having 5 turns cooldown for Sniper Shot instead of 6 turns makes GO run more smoothly for me) and has some rather niche, but powerful uses (3 turns cooldown for cleanse instead of 4, 4 turns cooldown for dispell instead of 5)

I mean, yeah, 25% DEF down at burst with her weapons is her biggest selling point, but saying it's really only good thing about her is like saying, thay Mordred is only good for Black Propaganda and forgetting about 10% ATK/DEF debuff, blind, dizziness and affliction resist down.

Xenos

11-12-2018, 02:00 AM

Hey quick question, is there an effective way to farm eidolon orbs? I've been slowly getting them by selling the raid battle eidos, but I was wondering if there was a better way to farm them.

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 02:06 AM

Hey quick question, is there an effective way to farm eidolon orbs? I've been slowly getting them by selling the raid battle eidos, but I was wondering if there was a better way to farm them.
Selling R eidolons from gem gatcha, selling not useful event eidolons. In general getting eidolon orbs is a long term process.

AutoCrimson

11-12-2018, 02:31 AM

this is a grindfest game, so get used... most of ppl were stockpiling eidos for some month tho
UE will fetch u a number of Lilims to sell

Saeleyna

11-12-2018, 03:55 AM

Aidoru

11-12-2018, 06:29 AM

This is... just wow.
It's like people see in Hercules just her DEF down and nuke. While I do agree that not using her Axe is basically not using her to full potential, I feel the need to remind people about her other aspects:
Ability 2: +30% ATK, +20% double attack rate, +15% triple attack rate, +30% burst gauge gained to self for 5 turns (7 turns cooldown for Herc)
Ability 3: +30% DEF, 30% reflect, some affliction resist, 300 regen every turn to self for 5 turns (7 turns cooldown for Herc)
Assist 1: Some ATK up (probably something like 5% or 8%, nothing really important)
Assist 2: -1 turn cooldown for abilities (including EX ability)

What do we make of it ?
First: she's fast. Not Shingen fast, but fast nevertheless. With team with Thanatos and Osiris you'll need some faster Soul (Shingen, Morgan, Herc or Arthur), if you don't want to end in situation when team is ready for Full Burst, but Soul still is sitting at 70 or 80 BG.
Second: She's tanky. When under buffs from third ability, she recieves about 45-46% less damage than other unbuffed Souls (depends on how much Master DEF bonus you have), also makes stacking damage cuts on her easier. When light rag starts deleting party members, there's a much higher chance that Herc will live when hit (at least through one nuke).
Third: Her second is helpful in some situations (having 5 turns cooldown for Sniper Shot instead of 6 turns makes GO run more smoothly for me) and has some rather niche, but powerful uses (3 turns cooldown for cleanse instead of 4, 4 turns cooldown for dispell instead of 5)

I mean, yeah, 25% DEF down at burst with her weapons is her biggest selling point, but saying it's really only good thing about her is like saying, thay Mordred is only good for Black Propaganda and forgetting about 10% ATK/DEF debuff, blind, dizziness and affliction resist down.

Yes, you add all those abilities up without her ax and it can be summed up as "she hits hard" like I said. I mean I could point out good aspects of Solomon too but are you going to tell people to main her, probably not right? There's a reason why I said he may as well stick with Mordred instead of just using Hercules with Black Propaganda. I'm fully aware of how useful each soul can be.

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 06:41 AM

Yes, you add all those abilities up without her ax and it can be summed up as "she hits hard" like I said. I mean I could point out good aspects of Solomon too but are you going to tell people to main her, probably not right? There's a reason why I said he may as well stick with Mordred instead of just using Hercules with Black Propaganda. I'm fully aware of how useful each soul can be.
My bad then, never occured to me that being tanky and fast to burst could hide behind "hits hard". I stand corrected.

Aidoru

11-12-2018, 06:53 AM

My bad then, never occured to me that being tanky and fast to burst could hide behind "hits hard". I stand corrected.

The problem with Hercules is that all her usefulness is singled out to only herself. She isn't a tank as she cannot redirect damage to her so even if she has good damage mitigation, that only applies to herself, not the team. If you're fighting a enemy with strong aoe overdrive, that damage reduction isn't going to matter when your other units are getting killed off. If he wanted something to help tank or rather survive then I would tell him to use Joan or even Andro. If he wanted fast burst, then I would tell him to use Arthur or just wait for Shingen. Hercules' main use is her def down and being able to use PF with her ax, without that, she is just damage and everything else she does others can do it better.

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 07:21 AM

The problem is Hercules is that all her usefulness is singled out to only herself. She isn't a tank as she cannot redirect damage to her so even if she has good damage mitigation, that only applies to herself, not the team. If you're fighting a enemy with strong aoe overdrive, it's not going to matter when your other units are getting killed off. If he wanted something to help tank or rather survive then I would tell him to use Joan or even Andro. If he wanted fast burst, then I would tell him to use Arthur or just wait for Shingen. Hercules' main use is her def down and being able to use PF with her ax, without that, she is just damage and everything else she does others can do it better.
You actually pointed interesting thing here: using Arthur instead of Herc for fast burst.
Without PF I would actually use Herc instead in most situations, because aside from hitting burst fast (which Herc also can do quite well and she will rarely be late), Herc has higher damage overall (thanks to higher DATA) and has higher chance to live through a lot of situations (those pesky trash mobs attacking just one target with triple attack, seldom happens, but happens). With PF Arthur can actually be better in some situations, because even with 50 BG on her you are capable of going PF -> FB in same turn (which Herc can't do).
Another thing is that even though she isn't tank in strict sense, her being tanky can be really useful. Sometimes those summoning effects from eidolons can change the course of battle and dead Soul won't summon anything.

Anyway, my main point here is that I don't agree with statement "without her axe, there's always better option than Herc" (especially when you don't have Shingen).

Aidoru

11-12-2018, 07:50 AM

Yes, Hercules is much better damage overall than Arthur, the comparison was simply who builds burst faster without her ax.

Unregistered

11-12-2018, 08:42 AM

Odd question but does using provisional forest at under 50 burst reduce the effect? I've noticed using it from 20-50 burst still gives your team a burst bonus, and was wondering if there was any reason not to use it at 20 or 30 burst if you have a 4-man burst lined up. Normally I know you should never do this and only wait for full burst, but I'm messing around with using Arthur to insta-burst then get burst up for a 4-man burst with PV to kill lilim 1-2 turns quicker than normal xD.

Using PF under 100 burst gauge reduces its effect. That is, if you want the full +200% burst damage, it must be cast while at 100 burst. I'm not sure, but from reading a few comments, it seems to scale linearly. So, it's probably +4% burst damage for each 1 burst gauge consumed.

Slashley

11-12-2018, 09:15 AM

The problem with Hercules is that all her usefulness is singled out to only herself.--I do think that you vastly undersell just how powerful Herc is. She doesn't just hit hard, she hits
HARD.

In a game where you win by killing your opponent, that is extremely important. That doesn't make Herc the correct option all the time,
but it does make Herc to correct option 90%+ of the time, Relic weapon or not. Because if you don't have Herc Relic weapon,
what Relic weapon WOULD you have...
Using PF under 100 burst gauge reduces its effect. That is, if you want the full +200% burst damage, it must be cast while at 100 burst. I'm not sure, but from reading a few comments, it seems to scale linearly. So, it's probably +4% burst damage for each 1 burst gauge consumed.No, it scales on burst spent. So using it at 50 burst (the cap of burst spent) is good enough...

... if you can make it in time for Full Burst, which is going to be tricky if using it below 100 burst outside of Arthur.

Unregistered

11-12-2018, 10:01 AM

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 10:06 AM

...yes, it scales on burst spent. And you expend half at a time. So when you cast at 100 burst, you spend 50. So casting it at 20 or 30 as asked means you expend 10 or 15, for presumably +40% or +60% burst damage.
It spends all burst gauge you have, up to maximum of 50.
You can check it by using Roaring Blaze at 0 burst and then PF, it'll eat 20 bg (or 35 with Shingen's spear), not 10.

Unregistered

11-12-2018, 10:09 AM

Oh, in that case casting it at 20/30 would presumably be +80%/+120% burst damage then.

miguelsalvador81

11-12-2018, 10:25 AM

How does Elemental damage works?

Does this affect character normal attacks damage?

Does this affect skills damage?

Does this affect Burst damage?

How does skill level from weapon works?

What does it boost?

What dies +xx number means on Weapons and Eidolons?

Does this number can be stacked on Kamihimes too?

Slashley

11-12-2018, 10:33 AM

How does Elemental damage works?A super simplified damage formula is BaseAtk*CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk.
Does this affect character normal attacks damage?
Does this affect skills damage?
Does this affect Burst damage?Yes. Yes. yes.
How does skill level from weapon works?
What does it boost?Assault is CharacterAtk, and each skill level is 0.5% more damage. Relic weapons are ElementalAtk, and each skill level is 1% more damage.

All damage is boosted - however, please note that Abilities have damage caps. If your Abilities aren't hitting harder, then you're probably at the cap of that specific Ability.
What dies +xx number means on Weapons and Eidolons?
Does this number can be stacked on Kamihimes too?Each +1 is +3 Atk and +1 HP. Yes, you can put them on Kamihime as well, but you never want to - it's much better to put them on weapons since that way, EVERYONE in your team gets that very same +3 Atk and +1 HP, not just that one Hime.

Niime

11-12-2018, 10:46 AM

For Apocalypse event SSR spear is priority (after half elixirs, half elixirs are always top priority), if you have enough materials to get 4 copies and final limit break it that is. After that it depends, if you don't have enough eidolons, get Apocalypse herself. SSR sword is not bad also.

Only effect from main eidolon applies to party, rest are there just for stats and for summoning during battles and sometimes for effect of main eidolon (for example Anubis, Managarm, Horus or Pazuzu).

Berith is top tier dark Kamihime, Aether and Nephthys are both pretty good too. I'd save jewels though, even more so if you main thunder.

Good to know then, thanks for the info. Most of the time I don't know what the heck I'm doing so seriously, thanks.

There's no porn for Haruhi's characters, at least in KamiPro.

Well lul, there goes my hopes and dreams... nah, Tsuruya is where the gold is at anyway.

0.-How does Elemental damage works?
1.-Does this affect character normal attacks damage?
2.-Does this affect skills damage?
3.-Does this affect Burst damage?
4.-How does skill level from weapon works?
5.-What does it boost?
6.-What dies +xx number means on Weapons and Eidolons?
7.-Does this number can be stacked on Kamihimes too?

Let's see if I'm not mistaken:

0.- Think Rock, paper, scissors/Pokemon/Fire Emblem. The icons you see in the battle screen in the bottom left is how the triangle works, elemental damage does 1.2~1.4 extra damage while it protects the party around the same mount. Obviously this also means not using a fire team to fight a water boss.

1.- Yeh
2.- Yeh
3.- Yeh

4.- Makes the skill more powerful. I not so sure myself, since I'm also new to the game, but it seems to work on %, the higher the skill level, the stronger the effect is.
5.- It depends on the skill. If you enter on the weapon stat screen, you can see at the bottom what the effect does. Most of the time you will see "Assault" or "Defender", the first increase the damage output during battles & the later one increases the HP of your party.

6.- These numbers are like extra levels on the Weapon/Eidoilon, I think each level gives +8HP and +12ATK. These are inherited each time you use something to enhance something. For example, if you get a random Eido you want to use to enhance and that Eido has a "+2", that "+2" will be inherited to the new Eidolon. Useful to make more powerful weapons/eidos.

7.- Sadly no. To power up Kamis, you have to limit break them using the materials you get from SP quest and events. Souls stop leveling up at 20, but they increase their power as you level up.

Niime

11-12-2018, 10:57 AM

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 10:59 AM

Good to know then, thanks for the info. Most of the time I don't know what the heck I'm doing so seriously, thanks.
It's good to ask questions and people from this forum are generally friendly and will answer them with no problems. That's what this topic is for, use it.

...
There are some mistakes here. Refer to Slashley's answer above yours.

Laventale

11-12-2018, 11:40 AM

Seems like I messed up a lot of things heh. Thanks Slashley.

Also, how should I distribute the Lilim Grails? Most of the powerful players on the guild are too mixed to focus on one direction, so what's the best for this specific event?

Really depends on your guild.

It ussually goes ATK > HP > BURST > RESIST DOWN. It can be changed but that's how ussually goes.

Slashley

11-12-2018, 12:01 PM

Also, how should I distribute the Lilim Grails?The one universal truth is that 100 Atk is a must. It's 100% Assault, which is just plain too good to ever pass up on, no matter who you are and no matter what your Union intends to do.

Hardcore Unions will always use 100 Affliction. This is because Phantom element Thor dominates high level Demons (they're not very scary if they can't fight back). Except Lust, but you want 100 Affliction against Lust anyway since GIMME MUH DEBUFFS!!!! Anyway, for Unions that don't group together and don't use Miracle Tickets for Thors, Affliction doesn't do much. You could consider putting 20-30 so that Souls won't miss their debuffs, if you want. Weaker players tend to be reliant on Soul debuffs after all.

Do you want more survival? 100 HP is great and will get your weaker players pretty far. Becomes useless against high level Demons since they'll just one-shot you no matter what your HP is, but chances are you're not in a Union that gets that far (Ultimate 400+). Also, pair up with Healing and your Union can probably just AAB Demons to relatively high levels thanks to Cass/Andromeda. It's not good enough for pushing into high Ranks, but if your Union is aiming for "get all rewards cleared over the 8 days" then a daily 100 Atk, 100 HP and 100 Healing should get you far with minimum effort.

If you want more damage (after obligatory 100 Atk), Double > Triple. If your Union uses Elemental Advantage, 100 Burst is good. Please note that without Elemental Advantage, Double is NOTABLY better than Burst. If you're not using Full Bursts only (like using AAB), then Double is NOTABLY better than Burst. But if you manual for Full Bursts only AND use Elemental Advantage, then Burst is about about as good Double. Bonus points, Burst is really fucking good during Burst Hours! Just 2/24 hours a day, but if your entire Union is focused in a single timezone, it can actually be more like 2/8 hours of a day. This can push Burst to be much better than Double for some Unions, but please know what you're doing.
(On a side note, you might be wondering why Elemental Advantage and Full Bursts are important. It's because the Burst Bonus damage double-dips into Elemental Advantage, and Burst Bonus damage is only decent in Full Bursts.)

Resistance is super bad and you should never get it. Well, maybe get it against Sloth if you want to AAB, I guess? Or something. This isn't Sloth, so whatever.

Did I forget any stat?

Kitty

11-12-2018, 02:01 PM

uh i found haruhi in a single draw-

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314411010301755392/511644740068835328/unknown.png?width=497&height=407

Aidoru

11-12-2018, 02:14 PM

I do think that you vastly undersell just how powerful Herc is. She doesn't just hit hard, she hits HARD.

In a game where you win by killing your opponent, that is extremely important. That doesn't make Herc the correct option all the time,
but it does make Herc to correct option 90%+ of the time, Relic weapon or not. Because if you don't have Herc Relic weapon,
what Relic weapon WOULD you have...

I don't agree that she's the correct option 90% of the time without her weapon. It really depends on the battle but if you're running content in which you can clear with Hercules without her weapon, then you likely can clear that same content with any other weaponless soul using the same team. Damage is important yes, but being able to clear the battle to begin with is the most important and sometimes damage alone isn't going to be enough. For solo content, you'll sometimes need to trade potential damage for utilities that will ensure you stay alive to keep on attacking (atk down, black prop, heals, damage cuts, etc).

I won't ever use Hercules without her weapon, so using her weaponless is never an issue for me and never was because before her weapon was added, I never had any reason to use her other than leveling her. If I'm not getting Herc's relic then obviously I went with Shingen.

And in case for some reason you guys think I'm saying not to use or something, I'm not. I use her for my fire and water team, but for the same reason I keeping bringing up, those who don't plan to spend miracle tickets on those elements, Hercules is a great choice as she can make up for missing multiple himes, which again is a benefit from having her ax's def down effect, not her weaponless.

GabKarol

11-12-2018, 02:31 PM

I have Shiva, Poseidon and Nike Unleashed. Which soul/relic weapon should I get since I can only afford 1 at the moment?(I have all available souls)

Edit: Or at least work towards

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 02:46 PM

Damage is important yes, but being able to clear the battle to begin with is the most important and sometimes damage alone isn't going to be enough.
It goes both sides though, sometimes damage is what allows you to clear some content (maybe excluding Joan with her spear, but even that may not be enough).

I won't ever use Hercules without her weapon, so using her weaponless is never an issue for me and never was because before her weapon was added, I never had any reason to use her other than leveling her. If I'm not getting Herc's relic then obviously I went with Shingen.
And I deemed Herc the best choice for team of Awakened Tit/Hastur/SR Cybele/Ithaqua, before I had Shingen and before Herc's axe was even added. Could other Soul do job ? Absolutely, but I still think she was best choice here for fat Full Break damage and enough speed to keeping up with rest of team (Axe obviously is really helpful here).
Don't get me wrong here, I just want to state, that even without her axe Herc has some uses and is not necessarily worse than some other Soul.

Hercules is a great choice as she can make up for missing multiple himes, which again is a benefit from having her ax's def down effect, not her weaponless.
It's not only about 'missing' Kamihime. You can have some debuffer Kamihime and you may want Axe because it'll let you replace her with someone else. Such is the case with mentioned before dark team. Dejnov has Susanoo, Osiris and debuffer SRs (Lu Bu, Nyar). If you'll get Thanatos and go for all-hime DEF down, you'll have to throw either Susanoo (most probably) or Osiris.
Tbh in this situation I'd either go with Mordred/Thanatos/Susanoo/Nyar/Osiris for balanced team, or Herc (with at least 1LB axe)/Thanatos/Susanoo/Lu Bu/Osiris for offensive (for some BT raid kicking or when team is ready to set Mordred aside).

Aidoru

11-12-2018, 03:36 PM

It goes both sides though, sometimes damage is what allows you to clear some content (maybe excluding Joan with her spear, but even that may not be enough).

Again, it depends. It can go both ways but it can also not. Say there is content you can't clear with Hercules without her weapon, what are the chances you could clear that with another soul without their weapon but one who provides more team utility like Joan or Mordred? I think there's a good possibility that you could.

It's not only about 'missing' Kamihime. You can have some debuffer Kamihime and you may want Axe because it'll let you replace her with someone else. Such is the case with mentioned before dark team. Dejnov has Susanoo, Osiris and debuffer SRs (Lu Bu, Nyar). If you'll get Thanatos and go for all-hime DEF down, you'll have to throw either Susanoo (most probably) or Osiris.
Tbh in this situation I'd either go with Mordred/Thanatos/Susanoo/Nyar/Osiris for balanced team, or Herc (with at least 1LB axe)/Thanatos/Susanoo/Lu Bu/Osiris for offensive (for some BT raid kicking or when team is ready to set Mordred aside).

For the person asking for help with his dark team, I already brought up my opinion if he grabbed Thanatos. Shingen or stick with Mordred if he ISN'T going to get Hercules' ax. He doesn't have Shingen yet and mentioned he's going to hold on Hercules' ax, though this discussion we've been having might change his mind. If he goes Thanatos+Shingen, he can use Sniper Shot and replace Lu Bu with Susanoo while still having all and more essentials than a Hercules' team of the same composition. Otherwise, yes, the other set ups are more or less what I would suggest too.

Having free hime slots is good but there's no point in having them if you don't have anyone good to put in those slots.

Gludateton

11-12-2018, 03:57 PM

I have Shiva, Poseidon and Nike Unleashed. Which soul/relic weapon should I get since I can only afford 1 at the moment?(I have all available souls)

Edit: Or at least work towards
I'd go either with Herc's axe or Shingen's spear.
As a slightly off-topic remark: Herc will like this team, seeing how much buffs it has (not to mention three assault buffs, all of different frames).

Again, it depends. It can go both ways but it can also not. Say there is content you can't clear with Hercules without her weapon, what are the chances you could clear that with another soul without their weapon but one who provides more team utility like Joan or Mordred? I think there's a good possibility that you could.
That was more of a general statement, than Herc defending.
I just meant that sometimes damage is what makes doing some content possible (and by damage I mean going with very offensive, glass-cannonish like build).

Saeleyna

11-13-2018, 04:26 AM

Still heavily working on a lot of my grids, and was wondering where pride weapons stand in the tiering for weapons. From my understanding, they end up doing slightly more than SSR assaults at a certain breakpoint, and always give some bonus damage, however the exact values I'm not sure of. Most of my weapon grids have a couple of (to many) SRs in them, or off-element SSRs purely for their stats, and with the union battles rolling around multiple times now have a couple of extra pride sets that I could add in to my grid, but not sure if it's worth replacing say an SR assault for example. Like I said this is not an optimal scenario so please no SSR assault always > pride or anything like that.

Also, quick question about souls. I know there's a separate soul selection topic, but I'm trying to prep for the water GO and wondering if it's worth even investing in a soul weapon period atm as my lightning comp is pretty poor. Current lightning comp is:

Mordred
Brahma (just got - finally got a lightning SSR after having 4 for 3 different elements >_<)
Noel
Cyclops
Ramiel

Last guild order I was running Joan and got pretty far simply due to (I'm assuming) -50% atk down + def up from remiel + joan shield, however there was zero chance of clearing wave 4. I have a substantially better weapon grid than before (and working on skill leveling weapons), so I feel like I might have a chance at clearing, but I also know it will be sketchy either way and don't want to waste mats on a soul weapon for a soul I'll potentially never care about using after getting a more stable comp. I only have enough for 1 soul weapon btw.

Kofie

11-13-2018, 05:02 AM

With all the recent focus on Herc and her axe Def debuff, does the effect last indefinitely after she bursts or just the whole turn?

artista

11-13-2018, 05:12 AM

With all the recent focus on Herc and her axe Def debuff, does the effect last indefinitely after she bursts or just the whole turn?

You mean the def debuff? Its like sniper shot and what not, 1 minute and something if im not wrong.

Cobblemaniac

11-13-2018, 06:22 AM

You mean the def debuff? Its like sniper shot and what not, 1 minute and something if im not wrong.

25% (at MLB), eido/ wep frame, 3 mins.

For reference, sniper is B frame 20%.

artista

11-13-2018, 07:00 AM

25% (at MLB), eido/ wep frame, 3 mins.

For reference, sniper is B frame 20%.

I know its different frames, just saying its similar in terms of duration, I just didnt know how long it lasted.

sanahtlig

11-13-2018, 07:52 AM

Still heavily working on a lot of my grids, and was wondering where pride weapons stand in the tiering for weapons.
4th limit break potential tends to trump other factors. The Union Pride weapons are very good because they can all be 4th limit breaked, especially if the second skill is useful. Coincidentally, that also makes them good targets for your +'s.

Slashley

11-13-2018, 08:42 AM

-- Most of my weapon grids have a couple of (to many) SRs in them, or off-element SSRs purely for their stats, and with the union battles rolling around multiple times now have a couple of extra pride sets that I could add in to my grid, but not sure if it's worth replacing say an SR assault for example.--Absolutely worth it. Even without FLB and at 100% HP, a SR Assault is 13% with ~1800 Atk and SSR Assault is 10% with ~2300 Atk. Pride hits 13% at 85% HP, and 16% at 70% HP (the same as pure SSR Assaults). After that, they become even better.

Prides are GOOD. It's not even a question until your have a full SSR grid, and using FLB Prides is not even a question until you have full FLB grid.

Saeleyna

11-13-2018, 10:59 AM

Absolutely worth it. Even without FLB and at 100% HP, a SR Assault is 13% with ~1800 Atk and SSR Assault is 10% with ~2300 Atk. Pride hits 13% at 85% HP, and 16% at 70% HP (the same as pure SSR Assaults). After that, they become even better.

Prides are GOOD. It's not even a question until your have a full SSR grid, and using FLB Prides is not even a question until you have full FLB grid.

I'm assuming "SSR Assault is 10% with ~2300 Atk" is meant to say Pride. Good to know makes my life a lot easier (at least for my lightning grid). Thanks.

Unregistered

11-13-2018, 11:49 PM

nut

11-14-2018, 02:28 AM

Does friend's eido count as one same element eido for fluffy/Anubis?
Like if you run 2 fluffy and no other light eido, do you get 160% elemental atk or 168% elemental atk?

Unregistered

11-14-2018, 04:09 AM

Does friend's eido count as one same element eido for fluffy/Anubis?
Like if you run 2 fluffy and no other light eido, do you get 160% elemental atk or 168% elemental atk?No. It's only about the 5 Eidolons as your subs.

Kitty

11-14-2018, 09:45 AM

ayyy... found Baal U while I was at school today lmao ...in a single jew draw

Slashley

11-14-2018, 10:22 AM

I use this set-up for every team, and was just wondering if I should tweak anything.Uh, that's impossible to tell since we have no idea what you have. Generally? Just set whatever has the highest Atk. Like double LMB Tiamats if you played during Tiamat event. And bring your Kaiser for that element.
Yamata no Orochi (Tiamat if I can hit the cap w/o Yamata)The age of Vine/Yamata no Orochi largely died when Herc's Relic weapon came out, since they share the same frame. But if you're not using that for some reason, go ahead and use Yamata no Orochi.

However, do note that Vine has higher hit-rate. You might want to use Vine in Thunder and Wind teams, as Yamata has poor hitrate against Water and Thunder.

sanahtlig

11-14-2018, 05:41 PM

I use this set-up for every team, and was just wondering if I should tweak anything.

Main: Highest elemental atk that I have.

Support:
Kaiser (Tiamat if I don't have Kaiser for that element)
Yamata no Orochi (Tiamat if I can hit the cap w/o Yamata)
Fafnir
Adramelech
Jormungandr
I use Sphinx (debuff resist down) and a Blind debuffer. I'd rate both of these as higher priority than double attack up. You shouldn't be using Fafnir unless her level is high enough to have comparable stats to LV100 event eidolons. Blind is nice because it prevents triple attacks from inflicting unexpected spike damage.

Unregistered

11-15-2018, 10:49 AM

Ooh, epic quests seem to be new; just implemented today on DMM? It seems like they got around the technical issues of reprinting raids by... remaking them into advent style quests? But with some differences (it appears that there's just beginner and standard difficulty as well as there being two types of material drops instead of four).

Also, Sphinx reprint. Logically, Assault (M)/Defender (S) becomes Assault (L)/Defender (S).

Aidoru

11-15-2018, 12:08 PM

Is that upgrade as in them finally getting a final break or they just getting buffed?

Unregistered

11-15-2018, 12:29 PM

FLB for Sphinx hammer.

Aidoru

11-15-2018, 12:40 PM

Oh wait, nvm, I got the Sphinx part mixed up with your raid reprint comment thinking Sphinx was a raid event and thought they finally gave a raid weapon a final break. Forgot she was an advent.

Unregistered

11-16-2018, 09:12 AM

Is the best way to get more of the stars for FLB just to spam the 50ap dailies?

If so, that's going to be a lot of wasted half pots

Laventale

11-16-2018, 10:30 AM

Is the best way to get more of the stars for FLB just to spam the 50ap dailies?

If so, that's going to be a lot of wasted half pots

Yes, either that or Union events. Gotta grind your balls out, dude.

HugMeTender

11-16-2018, 11:24 AM

Are Hime weapons worth keeping? Specifically ones without FLB. I mean, I guess it's nice that some have assault (++), but without breaks their stats are low, and I've got plenty of MLB SSR from events in the elements I need.

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Slashley

11-16-2018, 11:32 AM

All the SSR Hime weapons eventually get FLBs.

Some of them are broken as fuck with FLB (hello triple-skill weapons...), but realistically you're not getting any of those without whaling.

Gludateton

11-16-2018, 02:53 PM

All the SSR Hime weapons eventually get FLBs.

Some of them are broken as fuck with FLB (hello triple-skill weapons...), but realistically you're not getting any of those without whaling.

There's always possibility of upgrading them with bricks from Tower event.

nut

11-16-2018, 06:50 PM

Yes, either that or Union events. Gotta grind your balls out, dude.

You can get star from union events too? I thought its only drop Jewel and Crystal.

Dunhere

11-16-2018, 10:05 PM

You can get star from union events too? I thought its only drop Jewel and Crystal.

In that you can exchange the T3 crystals into stars, yes, indirectly.

Slashley

11-16-2018, 10:56 PM

Gludateton

11-17-2018, 01:03 AM

At a rate of whopping 1 per day, so it's a pain in the ass.

Second Anniversary update will update that to... 50 per week, I think? I can't be bothered to check. Either way, it's FAR LESS a pain in the ass.

In overall QoL improvements we'll get in the future are HUGE. From shortened gem gatcha, simplified animation of gem gatcha, easier changing of party composition, to overhaul of weapons' skill leveling process (that's in next October I think). There are many things to wait for.

Cobblemaniac

11-17-2018, 01:30 AM

In overall QoL improvements we'll get in the future are HUGE. From shortened gem gatcha, simplified animation of gem gatcha, easier changing of party composition, to overhaul of weapons' skill leveling process (that's in next October I think). There are many things to wait for.

11615

Including this. kek

Gludateton

11-17-2018, 07:06 AM

I am back with my stupid short testing sessions results.
As I've got Morgan this event I thought "why not check this triple attack buff" and so I did. All percentages are taken from JP wiki.

Ares with her assist's boost (30% DA, 15% TA), one 2% DA accessory, Awakened Tit buff (50% DA, 30% DA) and Morgan's guaranteed TA buff.
32 attacks done: all were TA.

Got some additional samples for Ares with her assist's boost (30% DA, 15% TA), one 2% DA accessory and Awakened Tit buff (50% DA, 30% DA).
125 attacks done: 78 DA, 47 TA.

Also checked how Morgan's guaranteed TA interacts with Cagliostro's guaranteed DA and... results are quite interesting.
Only 11 attacks done: whether DA or TA occurs depend on which buff was applied last, so if Cagliostro's buff was applied second it was always DA, if Morgan's buff was applied second it was always TA.

It may very well be possible that Morgan's and Cagliostro's buffs work differently than "guarantees combo attack" buffs (at least Daphne's buff's description is different than those two).

QXZ

11-17-2018, 07:49 AM

I am back with my stupid short testing sessions results.

Got some additional samples for Ares with her assist's boost (30% DA, 15% TA), one 2% DA accessory and Awakened Tit buff (50% DA, 30% DA).
125 attacks done: 78 DA, 47 TA.

how is this possible? even with those stats, u dont have 100% DA / TA... but of that 125 attacks, they are all either DA or TA. does that mean DA TA boost are additive? so 70%DA + 30%TA = guaranteed DATA?

Gludateton

11-17-2018, 07:59 AM

how is this possible? even with those stats, u dont have 100% DA / TA... but of that 125 attacks, they are all either DA or TA. does that mean DA TA boost are additive? so 70%DA + 30%TA = guaranteed DATA?

Yes, they are. For example Awakened Tit buff gives 50% DA buff and 30% TA buff, so with normal Kamihime it'd be 58% chance for DA and 33% for TA, which leaves 9% for single attack.
As for buffs stacking with each other, it depends on buff frame. DATA buffs rarely stacks (for example Awakened Tit buff will overwrite Herc's DATA buffs). I assume here that Ares AW assist stacks with Awakened Tit buff (or any DATA buff in general), which so far seems to be the case.

Slashley

11-17-2018, 09:19 AM

As for buffs stacking with each other, it depends on buff frame.As far as I am aware, there's literally three frames: Buffs, Joan, Eidolon.

In other words, when it comes to Combo+ buffs, NOTHING FUCKING STACKS EVER. Except Joan's buff.
Notice that Ares' thing is not a buff, but a passive.

MajinLuffy

11-17-2018, 11:14 AM

Hey, is there something wrong with the mobile app? I'm a returning player, was pretty happy to see the game got a downloadable app. I installed it a couple of days ago, it ran perfectly but at the time I was overwhelmed because I pretty much didn't remember anything at all so I knew I needed to sit and check everything I had and how was the gameplay again when I had more time. Tried to do just that today but the app now is eternally stuck in the black "Now Loading" screen with just the tips messages updating on and on. Tried clearing cache... reinstalling several times and even downloading it again, even though it's the same version and it worked fine the first time. Nothing o.o

Anyway, also, like I mentioned I'm a returning player, barely rank 44 and still don't have enough SSR himes or Eidolons to know which element should I main. Honestly, I love huge boobs. I want my main team to be full of huge boobed ladies. So, I was wondering... if you had to say which element has more huge boobed ladies that are also actually good units, which one would you say it is? So far, I'm considering Water main because I already got SSR Ryu-Oh which I also read it's a good debuffer unit plus there seems to be better versions of Nike, and Wind as secondary team because I have SSR Titania, though I don't know if she's actually any good, but still, Wind would cover my main team weakness. Eidolons, don't have any 100% dmg one, for water the strongest I have is fully limit break SSR Tiamat and for wind I suppose the best I have is 1* SSR jabberwock

Anyway, I'm not sooo shallow I would use a bad unit that makes playing high end content impossible just because bewbs, but I suppose there are enough big boobed himes to make high end game possible even if it's not the best of teams

Edit: Added the post in the thread I made not knowing I could also ask this here :)

sanahtlig

11-18-2018, 07:58 AM

Water is probably a good choice since there's so many workable combinations. I don't think any element is particularly enriched for large-breasted kamihime. In any case, I'd reroll for a +100% eidolon. 2 strong different-element kamihime won't give you as much of a boost as a +100% eidolon, and you haven't been playing all that long.

Dejnov

11-18-2018, 09:58 AM

When can we expect the next Miracle Ticket to be available?

Dejnov

sanahtlig

11-18-2018, 10:13 AM

Miracle tickets have roughly followed the same schedule as the DMM version one year ago, except they're up to date with the latest kamihime released in the Nutaku version. There's a list of dates in my guide. Moreover, last I checked the release schedule in the DMM version has been similar this year too.

MajinLuffy

11-18-2018, 03:20 PM

Thanks! Yeah, was considering if I should reroll but having those SSR himes (Ryu Oh was a miracle ticket on top of that), and some event weapons and eidolons, plus, was already on my way of getting a full SR (and like 3 SSRs) grid of water assault weapons, kind of hurts losing all that. And of course, all the other himes I got that even if I wasn't going to use seriously I wanted to get their events. Oh, and I forgot, I also got 2 Light SSR himes, but one is Metatron which I read sucks, and the other one....hmm... forgot her name xD.... but honestly, don't know why but I don't feel too inclined for that element. Also, Titania is not water but I thought it was still good to have for my 2nd team to cover water weakness.

I think I'm going to try rerolling a bit but if I'm too unlucky I'm not sure if I'll stick to it for as long as I read in your guide it can take o.o

Btw, speaking of miracle tickets... if I read correctly in the jp wiki, next one should be also around december on nutaku?

Saeleyna

11-19-2018, 05:02 AM

Other than spamming gem gacha, is there any efficient way to get rare weapons for skill enhancing grails?

Gludateton

11-19-2018, 06:03 AM

Other than spamming gem gacha, is there any efficient way to get rare weapons for skill enhancing grails?

Spamming Jewel/Star Coin gacha.

Unregistered

11-19-2018, 06:44 AM

The event fill my gift box with a lot of ennhance materials for eidolons, which I don’t need anymore.

What can I do with them? I tougth selling is a waste but if there is no other choice...

Slashley

11-19-2018, 08:42 AM

Other than spamming gem gacha, is there any efficient way to get rare weapons for skill enhancing grails?Technically speaking you can farm Rare mobs from Quests, those drop a R weapon if they spawn. But it's just not worth it, it's much better to spend AP elsewhere. Like Gem Quests so that you can spam Gem Gacha.
The event fill my gift box with a lot of ennhance materials for eidolons, which I don’t need anymore.

What can I do with them? I tougth selling is a waste but if there is no other choice...Eidolon enhance matter will fill up first for everyone. After that, it's just garbage. Just set your auto-sell on and "collect" them for a couple of Gems. You can keep some SR fodder if you want, but usually you don't need to.

x255

11-19-2018, 10:29 AM

Spamming Jewel/Star Coin gacha.
This for much truth.
Always remember, this game is not about efficiency, its about coercing you to spend money if you don't want to spend time :)

AutoCrimson

11-19-2018, 12:34 PM

no one can coerce you to spend money on game if you yourself do not want it

MajinLuffy

11-19-2018, 07:21 PM

Well, been rerolling while binge watching Narcos from the beginning and finally by the end of the 2nd season I got a 100% eidolon... of course, considering I prefer big boobed characters and my luck, I had to get Rudra... also got a SSR Water kamihime... but of course... I had to get a flat chested loli again... got Neptune. Did a few more rerolls just in case but meh... considering half the 100% eidolons aren't exactly gifted in the boobs department (meaning getting what I want would take even more time than normal) and that I like the water element play style, I rather consider myself lucky and just roll with Rudra, hopefully I'll get a better *ehem* "gifted" team down the line.

Btw, is Neptune any good? I mean, I know she will be more than enough for beginner and intermediate stuff but was wondering how much should I invest on her.

QXZ

11-19-2018, 08:28 PM

Btw, is Neptune any good? I mean, I know she will be more than enough for beginner and intermediate stuff but was wondering how much should I invest on her.

neptune is mediocre. that being said... DMM has a tendency to boost SSR's after they been released for a while

MajinLuffy

11-19-2018, 08:54 PM

I see... sad thing is... while rerolling I got stuff like Cthulhu, Nike Unleashed, Ashera, got Ryu-Oh again... sometimes 2 of them in the same account reroll. But oh well, you can't get 100% eidolons with miracle tickets :/

Anyway, she'll do while I get better team I guess.

Cobblemaniac

11-19-2018, 09:15 PM

neptune is mediocre. that being said... DMM has a tendency to boost SSR's after they been released for a while

Iirc, Neptune gets a buff later on allowing her to give taunt to another girl instead of herself only... which means you can target taunt to Herc.

That said... don't think she'll be buffed a whole tier just because of that, but it's neat.

sanahtlig

11-19-2018, 09:31 PM

Neptune is nothing special, but she's an SSR that's the same element as your +100% eidolon. That's a nice boon and pretty lucky, all considered.

Gludateton

11-20-2018, 03:07 AM

Iirc, Neptune gets a buff later on allowing her to give taunt to another girl instead of herself only... which means you can target taunt to Herc.

That said... don't think she'll be buffed a whole tier just because of that, but it's neat.

She will, her assist's assault buff goes from 10% per her buff stack to 20%, assist also get 3% follow-up damage per buff stack added. Pair that with fact, that you could set her in backline and buff other himes burst gauge with added convinience of making herself less likely to be hit (which means less chance of losing buff stacks) and she's pretty good offensive kamihime.
Oh, her nuke gets cooldown reduced to from 8T to 6T too.

Cobblemaniac

11-20-2018, 08:54 AM

She will, her assist's assault buff goes from 10% per her buff stack to 20%, assist also get 3% follow-up damage per buff stack added. Pair that with fact, that you could set her in backline and buff other himes burst gauge with added convinience of making herself less likely to be hit (which means less chance of losing buff stacks) and she's pretty good offensive kamihime.
Oh, her nuke gets cooldown reduced to from 8T to 6T too.

Well. That's a buff from absolutely useless (in a tier list) to useable then.

Peepocheer.

drone1716

11-20-2018, 07:02 PM

What should I skill up first, assault/crit or assault/rush?

Kitty

11-20-2018, 07:10 PM

assault crit 100%

rush is trash
here comes the drama

tidalwake

11-20-2018, 08:54 PM

This might be an unknown but I remember when I first started playing there was a gacha that gave SSR weapon bricks and another that gave the SSR eido Chaldea. Are these at all common or are they a once in a while thing? Been waiting for another round of them. Just curious if I should ever expect another.

sanahtlig

11-20-2018, 09:17 PM

What should I skill up first, assault/crit or assault/rush?
Rush is very weak and Crit is only useful when you have elemental advantage. Pick accordingly.

Slashley

11-20-2018, 10:40 PM

assault crit 100%

rush is trash
here comes the dramaI don't think it is.

Crit is also goddamn garbage - Crit(S) at skill level 30 will give you on average 3% more damage (assuming we know how it works properly, which we might not). And only during elemental advantage. I don't have maths on Rush yet, but that shouldn't be hard to top.

Cobblemaniac

11-20-2018, 10:48 PM

I don't think it is.

Crit is also goddamn garbage - Crit(S) at skill level 30 will give you on average 3% more damage (assuming we know how it works properly, which we might not). And only during elemental advantage. I don't have maths on Rush yet, but that shouldn't be hard to top.

Crit as in stinger?

I'm not sure where you got the numbers from but I'mma take stuff from the DMM wiki here:

Stinger is a RNG type skill. When it procs (chance is unknown), it adds a set 20% bonus to crit frame attack up. Each stinger weapon will have it's own roll for this: example with 2 crit weapons, you can get 40% crit up.

Increasing the skill level does not increase the value of this crit up. Instead, it increases the proc rate of the skill.

Slashley

11-20-2018, 10:54 PM

Yes, that's what I used. Also, for the skill level it speculates the same values as Assault.

Think of Crit this way - in order to get 20% more damage every time, you need to reach 100% proc rate. Going from nothing to 100% in Assault DOUBLES your damage, going from nothing to 100% in Crit gives you... 20%. Only during elemental advantage.

It's fucking garbage. It's nice when everyone procs and you get big numbers, but on AVERAGE, it's garbage. That's why you want Assault on everything...

Again, I don't have the maths out for Rush yet, so I can't comment on how garbage that is. Certainly not as good as Assault, but.

Cobblemaniac

11-20-2018, 10:58 PM

sanahtlig

11-21-2018, 08:08 AM

We can very easily math out which stat is better, assuming the proposed values on the JP wiki are correct (particularly for Rush's increased double attack rate).

If Stinger gives you a % chance of doing +20% damage (otherwise known as critical damage), then the value of Stinger is %_Crit/5 (compare to Assault, which is usually +character_attack/2). For SLVL20 small, that's +2% overall damage.

If Rush increases double attack rate, then the value of Rush is approximately +%_dbl*(1-%skill_damage), as Rush contributes to normal attack damage and Burst damage (via more frequent Bursts), but not skill damage. I'd roughly weight this as +%_dbl/2 or +%_dbl/3, since you're typically going to be holding your Burst in tough battles. For SLVL20 small, that's +0.5% overall damage. Again, this assumes that Rush increases double attack rate as little as the JP wiki says it does.

In short, use Stinger if you'll have elemental advantage. Otherwise, use Rush. Assault will always be far better than either of these.

Aidoru

11-22-2018, 11:33 AM

Seems some games are already getting their Black Friday stuff, hoping they make this years better than last years. I don't recall anything good from last years.

VeryVoodoo

11-22-2018, 04:43 PM

Seems some games are already getting their Black Friday stuff, hoping they make this years better than last years. I don't recall anything good from last years.

What?! You didn't like their deal that let you buy seeds and elixirs? Such a good sale, no? :joy:

Kitty

11-22-2018, 05:14 PM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314411010301755392/515305478272843778/Discord_2018-11-22_23-19-50.png

Aidoru

11-22-2018, 05:58 PM

What?! You didn't like their deal that let you buy seeds and elixirs? Such a good sale, no? :joy:

Yea, the additional 20k gems was the deal-breaker. Lol.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314411010301755392/515305478272843778/Discord_2018-11-22_23-19-50.png

So basically 3k for x20 draw for at least 2 SR or higher and 1 SSR. Hope those are hime weapons guarantees.

Kitty

11-22-2018, 06:02 PM

SSR eido or SSR hime

Dejnov

11-22-2018, 07:23 PM

Cobblemaniac

11-22-2018, 07:29 PM

Couple of quick questions,

The eidolon from the current event, Houkei, gives 20% defense. How good is this and is it comparable to 40% single element damage (standard event eidolon)? Is this a decent eidolon or a really crappy one?

I’ve seen teams with 10-12k hitpoints; is it still recommended to do all assault weapons or is it better to have a couple of defender weapons in the grid these days. How are people getting that many hit points and should I change my grid layout to also up my hime’s hit points?

Dejnov

Q1: Good summon effect, passive is not worth, stats are ass. It's generally not worth to sacrifice dmg for just 20% def.

Q2: Dual skills. All hime weapons released starting from Snow Raphy start getting duals, so if you need stat sticks look for those. DO NOT drop assault for pure defender ever.

Slashley

11-22-2018, 11:15 PM

--
The eidolon from the current event, Houkei, gives 20% defense. How good is this and is it comparable to 40% single element damage (standard event eidolon)? Is this a decent eidolon or a really crappy one?--20% Def is far, FAR worse than 10% damage cut. Which is offered by stuff like Barong, Jack Frost etc.

If you for some reason need defensive options from your Eidolons, NEVER even consider the current event Eidolon for that. Go with elemental advantage and use one or two of those Eidolons instead - you'll take less damage (well technically the same but it stacks with other damage cuts) AND gain 40% Elemental Atk at the same time.

AutoCrimson

11-23-2018, 03:13 AM

thx for mention its black friday today. yoloed Athena from 10 coins, followed by Ra next draw

Unregistered

11-23-2018, 05:56 AM

I was rerolling today and I got a 100% eidolon(belial fire)+2 water ssr. I'm sure this has probably been answered a million times but does belials 100% do anything for the double water ssrs that I got?

Unregistered

11-23-2018, 06:07 AM

thx for mention its black friday today. yoloed Athena from 10 coins, followed by Ra next drawI got a Light Dragoon!
... SR Light Dragoon...
I was rerolling today and I got a 100% eidolon(belial fire)+2 water ssr. I'm sure this has probably been answered a million times but does belials 100% do anything for the double water ssrs that I got?No.

But those Water SSRs will let you farm Fire content easier, so you can feed your Belial stuff. It's a good roll.

Unregistered

11-23-2018, 06:25 AM

[QUOTE=Unregistered;132706
No.

But those Water SSRs will let you farm Fire content easier, so you can feed your Belial stuff. It's a good roll.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, that's kind of disappointing. Am I forced to make a team of out R fire himes or somethin? My two water ssrs are (All-Souls Death God) Osiris and Shiva. Not sure if worth rerolling.

Dunhere

11-23-2018, 06:47 AM

Belial will carry your fire team til you get better hime, and you've got a good starting water team. That's a solid start for an account.

Dais

11-23-2018, 06:59 AM

Belial will carry your fire team til you get better hime, and you've got a good starting water team. That's a solid start for an account.

Made an account to reply easier. Anyway, it's kind of an awkward start since those two water ssr's look interesting enough to make a starting run out of, but then I got a pretty much useless belial hangin out in my eidolon party passive wise.

Slashley

11-23-2018, 08:43 AM

Made an account to reply easier. Anyway, it's kind of an awkward start since those two water ssr's look interesting enough to make a starting run out of, but then I got a pretty much useless belial hangin out in my eidolon party passive wise.I... don't understand your logic. Nothing is ever a waste in Kamihime. You'll either run your Water team with two SSRs or run your Fire team. Either is fine.

Later, you'll find yourself shoehorned into using your Fire team with Belial.

Dais

11-23-2018, 09:08 AM

I... don't understand your logic. Nothing is ever a waste in Kamihime. You'll either run your Water team with two SSRs or run your Fire team. Either is fine.

Later, you'll find yourself shoehorned into using your Fire team with Belial.

I'm probably just being pessimistic, because I don't see myself getting even close to a decent fire team by rng rolling with jewels. But you're right that I can just play with the two water ssr I got and pretend I never got a belial. Maybe I will get lucky and roll a few decent fire himes. It's also a pain starting out focusing on one element since you need to gather a full set of elemental specific weapons.

Slashley

11-23-2018, 09:47 AM

I don't think you understand just how good Belial is. Particularly since you can fill your friendlist with Belial users with it. Fire SRs will walk all over your Water SSRs with that setup.

And, building ANY fantastic team in Kamihime is basically impossible unless you either whale a fuckton, or buy Miracle Tickets to perfect one team. This is particularly true in Nutaku, where our Bonus modifier sucks donkey cock (though, Nutaku may or may not have just boosted it...).

Anyway, point is. You work with what you have. That's part of the (non-whale) challenge. Belial is an incredible boon to you, and you'll see it once you start getting stronger.

sanahtlig

11-23-2018, 10:01 AM

It's also a pain starting out focusing on one element since you need to gather a full set of elemental specific weapons.
Building up one element is a whole lot easier than the alternative. What makes you think that raising all 6 elements will be easier? Weapons sure aren't going to level themselves.

Dunhere

11-23-2018, 10:07 AM

I'm probably just being pessimistic, because I don't see myself getting even close to a decent fire team by rng rolling with jewels. But you're right that I can just play with the two water ssr I got and pretend I never got a belial. Maybe I will get lucky and roll a few decent fire himes. It's also a pain starting out focusing on one element since you need to gather a full set of elemental specific weapons.

Eventually you'll want enough to field a team of each element. You've got a good start on two of them, since Belial will make any fire team good, plus attract friends.

Gludateton

11-23-2018, 10:22 AM

This is particularly true in Nutaku, where our Bonus modifier sucks donkey cock (though, Nutaku may or may not have just boosted it...).

While we are still one year behind DMM (they had chance boosted to 15/20/25 times in November 2016/ November 2017/ October 2018), this "over 15 times" (the hell that even means ?) is not that bad.

Niime

11-23-2018, 10:56 AM

Quick question again -finally made an account here-, should I use the free 100 stars Nutaku gives per account in the black fridy thingy or should I use them on another thing?

I'm probably just being pessimistic, because I don't see myself getting even close to a decent fire team by rng rolling with jewels. But you're right that I can just play with the two water ssr I got and pretend I never got a belial. Maybe I will get lucky and roll a few decent fire himes. It's also a pain starting out focusing on one element since you need to gather a full set of elemental specific weapons.

Don't worry about wasting Belial/getting Fire Himes, you will get them, even by accident. I mean, new player here, four months in and started with only Kirin, my first thunder SR was Baal and the second one Noel from the Walkure Romanze collab event at the time, these two were my only thunder Himes till the end of the first month when finally things began to look better... by getting mostly thunder R himes. Thanks to the events I kinda have a good team right now -got a random Tyr from one of the tickets-, with a light team looking good in the horizon. Just play, if you can't throw money at the screen, there will be a point in time anyway where you will be strong enough just from playing.

artista

11-23-2018, 11:22 AM

Quick question again -finally made an account here-, should I use the free 100 stars Nutaku gives per account in the black fridy thingy or should I use them on another thing?

Don't worry about wasting Belial/getting Fire Himes, you will get them, even by accident. I mean, new player here, four months in and started with only Kirin, my first thunder SR was Baal and the second one Noel from the Walkure Romanze collab event at the time, these two were my only thunder Himes till the end of the first month when finally things began to look better... by getting mostly thunder R himes. Thanks to the events I kinda have a good team right now -got a random Tyr from one of the tickets-, with a light team looking good in the horizon. Just play, if you can't throw money at the screen, there will be a point in time anyway where you will be strong enough just from playing.

I dont think theres really anything else you can use your 100 free gold so yea..

AutoCrimson

11-23-2018, 11:57 AM

actually nutaku allows to get more free gold iirc, (nutaku puzzle), but time margin's too wide

artista

11-23-2018, 12:39 PM

actually nutaku allows to get more free gold iirc, (nutaku puzzle), but time margin's too wide

I believe they removed puzzles a few months back.

AutoCrimson

11-23-2018, 01:44 PM

sad story (10 char)

FFUN

11-23-2018, 01:57 PM

What is the current max AP you can acquire once you hit max level (which I think is 150)?

Niime

11-23-2018, 03:39 PM

Huh, I can't claim the 100 gold.

It doesn't send the verification email at all, neither changing the email to a new one, it just says "it's done" and "check the new address" but the new email doesn't receive anything. Oh well, I had months to do it and my lazy ass just leave it be.

Dais

11-23-2018, 08:37 PM

Wtf, I was rerolling again today to see if I could get anything better and I got 100% lightning Kirin+100% light Managarmr on the same account :O

Unregistered

11-23-2018, 09:38 PM

Anyone know how much % Prometheus wind atk decrease is ?

artista

11-24-2018, 04:34 AM

Wtf, I was rerolling again today to see if I could get anything better and I got 100% lightning Kirin+100% light Managarmr on the same account :O

Just play with that account, its insane to get 2 100% eidos with reroll.

MajinLuffy

11-24-2018, 05:50 AM

Wtf, I was rerolling again today to see if I could get anything better and I got 100% lightning Kirin+100% light Managarmr on the same account :O

Really, 100% eidolons make too much a difference. I'm starting out as well, I got Rudra (100% water) and though i did get a SSR water kamihime, it was the only one of that element I got and it seems to be a meh SSR (Neptune). My team has her, Nike and the Soul as water units, one fire sr hime and one lightning hime. Been playing the story and I can tell you that the water units outdamage any unit even if they have elemental advantage or the enemy resists water dmg.

Btw, it seems to me that wind, light and dark 100% eidolons aren't as good as fire, water and lightning, considering you have to get a full roster of same element eidolons to get the 100%, you don't have as much freedom picking eidolons for their summon ability.

And finally, the real reason I'm posting right now xD, I need some advice. I don't consider myself a whale but I don't mind spending money when there is a good deal. I took advantage of the black friday gold deal at nutaku and with it I pulled on the black friday step up banner and the water element banner, having almost no water units and a water 100% eidolon I felt it was a good chance.

Units of note from different elements than water I got doing all that were fire SSRs himes Dakki and Mars, and lightning SSR Thunderbird. Now, I still got enough coins to pull from two 3000 coins banners. The way I see it I got these choices:

1) pull from the lightning banner to finish getting a team for farming water more easily
2) pull from the wind banner to start getting a team to cover for my main team weakness
3)pull from the 1 time only SSR eidolon guaranteed Gatcha I guess I have as a new player and depending on what I get there maybe my other pulling option becomes clearer.
4) pull from the fire banner, just because I already got 2 SSRs (that seems to be decent ones, not sure). Maybe I even get lucky getting a Belial?
And finally, 5)just pull one of the above or nothing at all, and save the coins for later (within 6 months)

Sorry for the huge post but like I said, I don't consider myself a whale so I try to use as best as I can the few times I do spend money, and thanks for any input :)

AutoCrimson

11-24-2018, 06:33 AM

Btw, it seems to me that wind, light and dark 100% eidolons aren't as good as fire, water and lightning

lol?

Anubis orb removal summon effect? Hrae def down summon effect? not good as fire water and thunder?

wind do not need full wind eidos btw

sanahtlig

11-24-2018, 06:56 AM

Now, I still got enough coins to pull from two 3000 coins banners.
The highest priority pulls are SSR Kamihime Gatcha (3000-5000g) and Miracle tickets (5000g, next one available at Christmas). Use your remaining gold on those. Miracle tickets in particular are pretty essential if you want to build a good team with your +100% eidolon. SSR Kamihime Gatcha has more of a cumulative effect over time and is good for those who want to build teams for multiple elements and leverage elemental advantage.

Slashley

11-24-2018, 06:59 AM

-- I don't consider myself a whale but I don't mind spending money when there is a good deal.--Gambling is never a good deal. If you're going to do a pull on each of those elements, then what's the difference pulling the normal pay-gacha six times?

Nothing. (Okay fine, you get an extra SR. Wow.)

It's a bad, bad deal if you think about it for a second. But of course, the way the shop is set up is meant to amaze you and make you think as if you're getting some sort of deal. Please, think before you spend.

Only the Black Friday 10 SC deal can be a "good" deal because it's basically nothing for... nothing. If you HAVE loaded up SC into your account (like the 98 bucks one which leaves you with an awkward amount), you're literally not losing out on anything. Beyond the first step though, it's a bad deal again - you're paying 30 bucks for a 50% chance of wasting your money (SSR Eidolons, since you'll basically never find a 100% one).

The only "good" deals are Miracle Tickets, because you know what you're getting. Is it worth 50 bucks for you to get the SSR Hime you want? Up to you. But that's BY FAR the best value for money you can get. After that, it's the exclusive Gachas. On average 100 bucks for the exclusive SSR in that gacha. These are run very rarely, and they're still gambling - you might get nothing even after spending 400 bucks, so be careful about that. And after that, the only thing even remotely worth it is the SSR Hime guaranteeds. 30 bucks for a fair chance of getting something useful.

Everything else is just pure gambling and thus purely a waste of your money. If you have more IRL money than what you spend, go ahead - knock yourself out.

sanahtlig

11-24-2018, 07:43 AM

I have a section in my guide devoted to optimal use of real money. This is derived from calculations I ran in my Gatcha Calculator (Toolbox), which is in turn based on extensive data on rates collected from a combination of reroll data and whale inventories.

Unregistered

11-24-2018, 08:48 AM

how do the ennance accesory materials works exactly?

is there a point to lvl up these materials before REAL accesories?

Slashley

11-24-2018, 09:04 AM

is there a point to lvl up these materials before REAL accesories?All Tiaras are REAL accessories. I don't think that "Ancient SSRs" will be much of an upgrade over literally any half-decent Tiara. Even R quality Tiaras.
how do the ennance accesory materials works exactly?Beats me. I wish a certain someone would update their Accessory calc. :smirk:

UnregisteredX

11-24-2018, 09:41 AM

Accessory enhancers gives double exp of their tier.

For example:

A typical lv1 R accessory normally gives 100 exp (150 with matching element), the R enhancers gives 200 exp
A typical lv1 SR accessory normally gives 200 exp (300 with matching element), the SR enhancers gives 400 exp

No idea if this exp doubling affects the leveling bonus. Not enough inventory space to keep tons of them around for testing.

MajinLuffy

11-24-2018, 09:55 AM

lol?

Anubis orb removal summon effect? Hrae def down summon effect? not good as fire water and thunder?

wind do not need full wind eidos btw

Oops, my bad about the wind eido.
I didn't mean that their summon effects are worse or that they suck as eidos, just that considering they all have some summon effect besides dmg, light and dark eidos feel worse than the others because you need a whole roster of same element eidos to get the 100% dmg passive. Which is the most important reason to get them in the first place. So you would be filling your eidolon roster with whatever eido from the same element you get without caring if its summon effect is good or not.

The highest priority pulls are SSR Kamihime Gatcha (3000-5000g) and Miracle tickets (5000g, next one available at Christmas). Use your remaining gold on those. Miracle tickets in particular are pretty essential if you want to build a good team with your +100% eidolon. SSR Kamihime Gatcha has more of a cumulative effect over time and is good for those who want to build teams for multiple elements and leverage elemental advantage.

I see, yeah, I guess kamihimes are also better because you don't need extra copies to get their full strength so unless it's a 100% dmg eido (which are incredibly rare, i know, i rerolled a lot xD) it's better to wait for event eidos you can farm and fully limit break. Christmas being pretty much right now and not planning to spend more money on this game so soon, yeah, wait for miracle ticket it is. Thanks!

And well, when I said a good deal I meant it was a better deal than how normally is. It's not like I never intended to spend money on the game and the banners amazed me and I broke my bank account for them. I did get more gold for my money than the normal nutaku rate, I also got more magic jewels than normal when changing the gold to coins. Also, I didn't pull on the banners expecting to draw a specific unit. I just saw the black friday banner as a good opportunity to get more good units faster for less coins (which I did) and the water banner to improve my water roster. Considering I only had 2 water himes, was still getting everything except water himes from the gatcha and there doesn't seem to be a water based event soon, I also got what I wanted.

Anyway, I raaarely try pulling for specific units with money because I know how bad the rates are, and considering how this game seems to work I don't see myself spending much more money in the future when I already have a decent team because I see spending money in these types of games as getting quick boosts, and here it seems it gets less effective the stronger you are because, well, you'd need specific units at that point.

sanahtlig

11-24-2018, 11:28 AM

Accessory enhancers gives double exp of their tier.
Negative.

I wish a certain someone would update their Accessory calc. :smirk:
No update is necessary. The accessory enhance materials yield equivalent XP to a regular accessory of the same rank with the same-element bonus (1.5x) on everything except Mirage element accessories (source (http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--wiki-4i9hs14f.com/index.php?%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BB%E5%BC%B7%E5% 8C%96)). Use the bonus field in my calculator to incorporate this bonus.

sanahtlig

11-24-2018, 11:44 AM

Oops, my bad about the wind eido.
I didn't mean that their summon effects are worse or that they suck as eidos, just that considering they all have some summon effect besides dmg, light and dark eidos feel worse than the others because you need a whole roster of same element eidos to get the 100% dmg passive. Which is the most important reason to get them in the first place. So you would be filling your eidolon roster with whatever eido from the same element you get without caring if its summon effect is good or not.
Light and Dark have no elemental weakness and already get an extra 3% base elemental damage bonus. -20% elemental damage or limited choice of eidolons is a fair price to pay for that added versatility.

Slashley

11-24-2018, 11:49 AM

Negative.

No update is necessary. The accessory enhance materials yield equivalent XP to a regular accessory of the same rank with the same-element bonus (1.5x) on everything except Mirage element accessories (source (http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--wiki-4i9hs14f.com/index.php?%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BB%E5%BC%B7%E5% 8C%96)). Use the bonus field in my calculator to incorporate this bonus.Wait... so a level 1 R fodder gives only the same amount of exp as a level 1 rare (of the same element)? That sounds... utterly pointless?
Light and Dark have no elemental weakness and already get an extra 3% base elemental damage bonus. -20% elemental damage or limited choice of eidolons is a fair price to pay for that added versatility.On a side note, 3% Elemental Atk isn't much. Meanwhile, Fire/Water/Wind/Thunder get 6% total from damage from Union Guardians... if it's set right.

Still, having no elemental weakness when played by the player is a pretty big boon by itself.

sanahtlig

11-24-2018, 11:54 AM

Wait... so a level 1 R fodder gives only the same amount of exp as a level 1 rare (of the same element)? That sounds... utterly pointless?
The SRs would be helpful if you can't clear Accessory Quest Rank 4 (or just can't be bothered to run it).

MajinLuffy

11-24-2018, 11:59 AM

Wait... Aren't they weak against each other? (light and dark) o.O

Slashley

11-24-2018, 12:08 PM

Wait... Aren't they weak against each other? (light and dark) o.OPlayer side is stronger. So running Light, you'll have 3% Elemental attack against Fire/Water/Wind/Thunder, and proper elemental advantage over Darkness (48% Elemental attack, -25% damage taken).

Only Phantom does extra damage to player Light/Dark. But so does Light/Dark against Phantom.

MajinLuffy

11-24-2018, 02:14 PM

Rea

11-24-2018, 10:02 PM

Which one of Hercules' soul weapons are better? The axe or the bow?

MagicSpice

11-24-2018, 11:04 PM

Oh... I read the help a loooong time ago when I dabbled in the game with another account and now I saw the elemental advantage graphic and just assumed I'd get extra dmg from dark as light and viceversa. Just checked it again, and yeah, only player deals extra dmg. Nice... and yeah, now it makes sense those eidolons get that little bit of disadvantage. In any case, I'm happy with water, love debuffs xD. If I ever get strong units from one of those elements I hope it's dark, I remember liking more himes from that element, in fact, I don't remember liking almost any light hime I ever had o.o

honestly, you're gonna need as many himes as you can get come Tower of Malice (used himes get locked out of lineups for a while) so it's best to take what you can get (they also feed free magic jewels anyway)... but if you feel like a restart isn't gonna set you back too far, just reroll again.

i currently have over 160 himes and still want more. just putting that out there.

Which one of Hercules' soul weapons are better? The axe or the bow?

Generally the axe due to the burst increases, def drops (if you get at least 1 star on it), and the damage increase (elemental atk increase for now, but switches to assault later on).

(btw guys, yes i'm back.)

Slashley

11-24-2018, 11:25 PM

(btw guys, yes i'm back.)Please no.
Generally the axe due to the burst increases, def drops (if you get at least 1 star on it), and the damage increase (elemental atk increase for now, but switches to assault later on).What. Both weapons have the same on-burst effect (the Def Down). The Axe will always be Elemental Atk, as will other offensive Relic weapons.

The only thing you got right is that the Axe is generally better...
(btw guys, yes i'm back.)Please. NO.

MagicSpice

11-24-2018, 11:34 PM

Both weapons have the same on-burst effect (the Def Down). The Axe will always be Elemental Atk, as will other offensive Relic weapons.

The only thing you got right is that the Axe is generally better...

bow doesn't generate burst, it ups the damage of the full break skill. the other points you said were right though.

Please. NO.

better swallow your pride then. i am back

Slashley

11-24-2018, 11:38 PM

bow doesn't generate burst, it ups the damage of the full break skill.--I don't understand what you're talking about. At what point did I say anything different?

I said ON-burst effect causes Def Down.

Look, I don't like talking badly about others, but you were a freaking cancer upon these forums for months upon months upon months. Please don't subject us to this again.
If you'd actually LEARN something and improve at ANY POINT, yeah, great. Welcome. But I don't believe that until I see it, and you're not in for a good start.

MagicSpice

11-24-2018, 11:42 PM

I don't understand what you're talking about. At what point did I say anything different?

I said ON-burst effect causes Def Down.

Look, I don't like talking badly about others, but you were a freaking cancer upon these forums for months upon months upon months. Please don't subject us to this again.
If you'd actually LEARN something and improve at ANY POINT, yeah, great. Welcome. But I don't believe that until I see it, and you're not in for a good start.

Boy, I just came back and you're trying to pick a fight.

Now just who seems like cancer? I'm just giving my opinion with some facts involved. You seem like you're here to attack me.

Hasn't even been 40 mins since I first started posting again either.

Slashley

11-25-2018, 12:03 AM

You seem like you're here to attack me.That's because I AM.

Correcting your posts - which were always (and I mean always) wrong - every day didn't help. For months to an end. I simply got tired of that and tried switching to a new tactic.

Ignoring your posts... didn't help. Even if nobody replied to you for weeks, you still kept posting. And again, everything was always wrong. Because not only me but most others had gotten tired of fixing your mistakes, newer people actually took you seriously and didn't get things straight.

I was at my wit's end about what to do about you... and then somebody lashed out at you. I forget who, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that poof, you were gone! GONE! FINALLY gone! So maybe, just maybe it'll work again.

Look, if you ever learned from your mistakes - and I mean EVER - then it wouldn't be a problem. But I have not seen you learn anything ever over the months that you were active here. You keep making the same mistakes. You keep misunderstanding things that have been said. You refuse to acknowledge what others tell to you. I am sorry, but you are a blight upon this forum.

I've probably made the most mistakes out of everyone on these Kamihime forums, but I do try to learn and improve. If I look back at my early posts, I can't help but to cringe at all the things I got wrong. But looking at your early Kamihime posts, you seem to be simply incapable of improving. Sometimes, I wonder do we even speak the same language. You clearly use English words that even form sentences, and yet, we simply cannot communicate.

Please. Let's not go through months of torture again. Go. Away. Be happy somewhere else.

MagicSpice

11-25-2018, 12:11 AM

That's because I AM.

Correcting your posts - which were always (and I mean always) wrong - every day didn't help. For months to an end. I simply got tired of that and tried switching to a new tactic.

Ignoring your posts... didn't help. Even if nobody replied to you for weeks, you still kept posting. And again, everything was always wrong. Because not only me but most others had gotten tired of fixing your mistakes, newer people actually took you seriously and didn't get things straight.

I was at my wit's end about what to do about you... and then somebody lashed out at you. I forget who, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that poof, you were gone! GONE! FINALLY gone! So maybe, just maybe it'll work again.

Look, if you ever learned from your mistakes - and I mean EVER - then it wouldn't be a problem. But I have not seen you learn anything ever over the months that you were active here. You keep making the same mistakes. You keep misunderstanding things that have been said. You refuse to acknowledge what others tell to you. I am sorry, but you are a blight upon this forum.

I've probably made the most mistakes out of everyone on these Kamihime forums, but I do try to learn and improve. If I look back at my early posts, I can't help but to cringe at all the things I got wrong. But looking at your early Kamihime posts, you seem to be simply incapable of improving. Sometimes, I wonder do we even speak the same language. You clearly use English words that even form sentences, and yet, we simply cannot communicate.

Please. Let's not go through months of torture again. Go. Away. Be happy somewhere else.

And this is why people on my vids have a bad taste about this forum. This kind of attitude.

But either way, I like discussing this game. We don't have to agree, we don't even have to like each other.

But I'm not breaking any rules, so I'M. STAYING.

So again, swallow your pride and just deal. Not saying any more about this.

Unregistered

11-25-2018, 12:14 AM

Drama yeeee boissss

Maria

11-25-2018, 12:16 AM

Oh wow, things escalated quickly~

Cobblemaniac

11-25-2018, 12:16 AM

Benis.

10 characters.

Smolisty

11-25-2018, 01:43 AM

Is it often happening here? o.o

Cobblemaniac

11-25-2018, 03:25 AM

Is it often happening here? o.o

Don't sweat it, it's the first sign of fire in months.

That said... do keep your water ready.

Delete

11-25-2018, 03:38 AM

How much I dislike these kind of drama...

I go reading the forums, but I have not posted much lately. But this seems a special situation.
Is true that sometimes people here can be aggressive, but while do not agree with that, I can understand it. What is the utility of throwing information inaccurate or directly totally wrong? Anyone can make mistakes, but is always better to confirm your fonts of information. If you don't, people can believe the wrong info, and that is a BAD thing.
I have honestly no problem with MagicSpice, and can say a warm "welcome". But wrong information is never a good thing.

Oh, and welcome ^^

AutoCrimson

11-25-2018, 04:42 AM

nothing is better than ol' gud drama

Laventale

11-25-2018, 07:08 AM

I love me some fresh drama in the morning.

Unregistered Lurker

11-25-2018, 07:34 AM

youtube .com/watch?v=316AzLYfAzw

I also luv drama
Welcome back, MagicSpice (for spicy DRAMA!)

MagicSpice

11-25-2018, 07:54 AM

Well if it means anything, I did try to correct myself about my herc axe post earlier.

Did not intend for the drama (which is why I was gone for months on this side of the forums), but fucking hell, less than an hour after my return and that happened...

AutoCrimson

11-25-2018, 07:56 AM

very "dramatic" vid. and very old

Kitty

11-25-2018, 08:14 AM

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Laventale

11-25-2018, 10:00 AM

As long as everyone is stating only facts and not verbally fighthing each other, it should be fine.

If anyone crosses this fine thin line, it's gonna be a weeklong ban. Y'all have been warned <3.

Kitty

11-25-2018, 10:19 AM

i need this for worldstar

MajinLuffy

11-25-2018, 12:49 PM

honestly, you're gonna need as many himes as you can get come Tower of Malice (used himes get locked out of lineups for a while) so it's best to take what you can get (they also feed free magic jewels anyway)... but if you feel like a restart isn't gonna set you back too far, just reroll again.

i currently have over 160 himes and still want more. just putting that out there.

Sooo... to get back out of drama after two whole pages and into kamihime stuff...

Nah, wasn't planning on rerolling again. I do want as many himes as I can get as well (not only for gameplay stuff but also hentai stuff, I mean... it IS a hentai game after all xD), but my element of choice is water and at least until I have a good water team and maybe a wind or lightning team, that's what I will be focusing on. :)

Niime

11-25-2018, 10:03 PM

Best way to end the weekend, the comms went down in the region almost all the day, I still needed one mission to get this week's draconic piece and when it's finally back, the game is on maintenance. Bonus points this time since I finally got the goddamn free gold... and the Black Friday offer is over. Love me some drama to forget my own :neutral:

Back on topic, anyone who already played it wanna share experiences of "Tower of Malice"? For my part I can already say I'm fucked just from reading the info about it lol

Cobblemaniac

11-25-2018, 11:33 PM

Off topic but...

11660

My balls are ready.

Xenos

11-25-2018, 11:36 PM

Off topic but...

11660

My balls are ready.

She's adorable, is that for the 2018 DMM winter updates?

Cobblemaniac

11-25-2018, 11:40 PM

She's adorable, is that for the 2018 DMM winter updates?

Bingo.

I thonk she gets fucked by MC... with a christmas tree condom thing or whatever the fuck? I don't understand Japan sometimes...

Delete

11-26-2018, 01:44 AM

Some Union members say they have the Miracle Ticket up, but I don't have it. Someone else see it?

nut

11-26-2018, 01:56 AM

Some Union members say they have the Miracle Ticket up, but I don't have it. Someone else see it?

Previous Mtix for those who didn't bought it yet
11661

Delete

11-26-2018, 01:57 AM

Yep, I have just seen it. Does not have much sense, but at least is an explanation.

Unregistered

11-26-2018, 09:08 AM

Hoping for some miracle ticket advice... Im trying to build up a water team and currently only have cthulhu for water ssr. Mordred is also my only elite soul. Is snow raphael the best choice, like it says in that guide? Or would ryu-oh/ssr nike be better since I already have b and c-frame def debuffs and could get an a-frame from them? Or would something else be better?

Slashley

11-26-2018, 09:20 AM

Since you're running Mordred (with Ambush I hope), Ryu-Oh doesn't seem that appealing? She's -5% Atk, and that's it. Well, back-up debuffs are always good.

The Holy Trinity of Water (Cthulhu-Snow Raphael-SSR Nike) is best complimented by Asherah at the moment, so the question mostly is... are you going to buy one or two Miracle Tickets? Since the x-mas one will probably be available Soon(tm). If so, either complete the Holy Trinity or get SSR Nike and Asherah, maybe?

Notice that there was some discussion about the long term Water teams here. (https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/4812-advice-power-term.html)

Unregistered

11-26-2018, 09:31 AM

Slashley

11-26-2018, 09:36 AM

Uriel and Svarog are the most broken-ass Hime in the entire game, and you have one of them. You don't have support for them though, and you'd need six Dragonic Eyes for those two anyway.

That pretty much leaves your Dark and Light teams, yes. As for who... unfortunately, as my Dark and Light teams are utter trash tier, I haven't looked into those elements much.

Kitty

11-26-2018, 09:42 AM

i'd say mtix mammon or thor because thunder is fucking amazing...

Dejnov

11-26-2018, 09:54 AM

So the SSR and the Assault SR weapons are great, but I'm wondering on the utility of the other two and should I try and MLB them for my grid?

The Iruption Knife has Crit Rate up and the Cog Wilcan has Burst Rate up.

Either decent and should take an assault grid slot?

DEJNOV.

Dais

11-26-2018, 09:59 AM

What would you guys pick on a starter account

account 1: Belial only nothing else
account 2: Uriel+Amaterasu+30% fire eidolon

I play a few accounts and I cant decide between these two.

Slashley

11-26-2018, 10:01 AM

--
Either decent and should take an assault grid slot?--Nothing is worth taking an Assault slot. I mean, Relic weapon goes into main slot, and the rest 9 are for Assault (or Pride, which is also Assault).

Those two weapons are purely fodder weapons. Even newer players should rather aim for the Assault SRs from Disasters.
What would you guys pick on a starter account

account 1: Belial only nothing else
account 2: Uriel+Amaterasu+30% fire eidolon

I play a few accounts and I cant decide between these two.As amazing as Uriel+Amaterasu is, they just can't compare to the short and long term benefits of Belial - such as instantly having access to 50 Friends who will love you forever.

Kitty

11-26-2018, 10:02 AM

does the iruption knife have 2 skills, being assault AND crit rate up? if so, that's really good to use and it has 1.8k ttl power..or atk, didn't get to read much about it as the bots haven't updated yet on discord lol... but yeah the SR wep sounds good if it's a double skill... not sure about the ssr but if you don't have a full grid of fire weps yet, there's no harm in using thenm both, as long as theyre not like defender/rush lol

nut

11-26-2018, 10:04 AM

As this is my first miracle ticket i don't really know who i should pick.
I do have a bit of ssr kamihime:
Fire: Uriel
Water: Aphrodite
Earth: Odin, Cu Chulainn
Thunder: Marduk
Light: Awakened Sol, Light Tsukuyomi
Dark: Awakened Satan, Susanoo, Osiris
I think that completing my light or dark team would be the best choice soo......
Who should i pick?

For dark team I would pick Pluto, she can provide 50% team atk buff (A frame + Dark), 30% team damage cut plus 20% light rst, she also have decent speed with her assist and strong burst damage.

MajinLuffy

11-26-2018, 11:51 AM

Is there any way to know which debuffs have been applied to a boss during the fight or which buffs have been applied to my units (from another player)? I only see stuff like Def down++ or def down+ but afaik reading the guides, a buff or debuff can have the same potency but still belong to a different frame (A, B, C), but how do I know which one was used so I don't waste my abilities during a raid? o.o

Btw, I got Ryu-Oh with the miracle ticket and I was going for Mordred (just need to finish leveling Asmund and get like 140 more souls), should I still go for her or should I get another one first? My main team is water with SSRs Osiris, Neptune and Ryu-Oh, and SR Nike. Neptune is so-so, at least the companions do increase her dmg quite nicely on top of any other buff, and I don't mind her Taunt sucks because I've found Osiris to be quite a good tank by herself :O. As I read around here, Mordred doesn't make Ryu-Oh irrelevant but actually boosts her debuffs chance, but was still wondering if another soul would be better with this team. If there is another miracle ticket for Christmas I'm pretty sure I'm going to get Snow Raphael to complete my debuffing barrage as Osiris also has a nice atk debuff. The problem with that is that I will be stuck with crappy healing from SR Nike until who knows when, so not sure if Mordred would be the better choice or does Black Propaganda on top of all the atk/def debuffs I will have would be still better for survivality than getting better healing.

Slashley

11-26-2018, 12:04 PM

Is there any way to know which debuffs have been applied to a boss during the fight or which buffs have been applied to my units (from another player)? I only see stuff like Def down++ or def down+ but afaik reading the guides, a buff or debuff can have the same potency but still belong to a different frame (A, B, C), but how do I know which one was used so I don't waste my abilities during a raid? o.oThere is no proper way. Go with your gut feeling. Some elements are good with certain types of debuffs but really bad with others (example, Fire has -20% B from SSR Amaterasu and even R Konohana, but no proper A frames). And remember that you can overwrite weaker debuffs, such as Mordred's -10% B can be overwritten by Sniper Shot's -20%.

If you're actually strong and are aiming to "win the DPS race" rather than to farm fast, it's usually a better tactic to not debuff until you're ready to Full Burst. Still, that slows down the overall rate that you can farm at, so I wouldn't say it's a particularly great thing to do.
Btw, I got Ryu-Oh with the miracle ticket and I was going for Mordred (just need to finish leveling Asmund and get like 140 more souls), should I still go for her or should I get another one first? My main team is water with SSRs Osiris, Neptune and Ryu-Oh, and SR Nike. -- As I read around here, Mordred doesn't make Ryu-Oh irrelevant but actually boosts her debuffs chance, but was still wondering if another soul would be better with this team.You certainly should've picked Cthulhu first... reaching -50% Def is a MASSIVE difference.

Anyway, Ryu-Oh has a little bit of a debuff landing problem. You need 6% Affliction from Accessories, Mordred's VoF AND elemental advantage to land 100% of her A debuffs. Even then, she will sometimes miss her BP. Because of this, since there's no way you have 6% Affliction from Accessories, Mordred's BP will be way, way, wayyyyy more reliable. As BP is the single most important thing for those who aren't strong yet, I'd say get Mordred and stick to her for quite the while still.

Shinido

11-26-2018, 12:21 PM

Due to another chance at the previous Miracle ticket that I missed I'm probably planning to pick this one up as well as the one at Christmas, so I was looking for some opinions on what I should get.

I currently have:

Water: Shiva, Aphrodite, Snow Raph
Wind: Gaia Awakened, Titania Awakened, Hastur, Set
Fire: Amaterasu
Dark, Satan, Susanoo

I was probably going to go for Cthulu/Nike Awakened or Cybele Unleashed/Cu Chulainn, but I'm undecided as to which one. I'm not that well researched on future fire/dark kamihimes, but I do have WIP weapon grids for them if those elements are worth working towards instead.

Thank you for the help :)

MajinLuffy

11-26-2018, 12:29 PM

Thanks!
Yeah, I thought about Cthulhu for this ticket but considering I'm not very strong yet I thought I needed to be able to last longer than hit harder for now, and since I already have Osiris with a -20% atk C debuff, in the end I picked Ryu-Oh who would get me both, more dmg and def, and her atk debuff being a bit better than Cthulhu's.
On that note, yeah, I'm not going for the DPS race anytime soon xD, having a water main team the current event sucks for me, I have been just aiding on other people's raids with my wind team which is not very strong, only SR hime I have is Cybele, but at least has some debuffs as well (Cybele and Scathach) and Caspiel with a Def buff, which is why I was wondering how to know which debuffs were already applied so I could help the best I could. Heck, I find Leis to be way harder than Tartarus O.o... I doubt I'll be able to get MLB weapons or eidolons from this event T-T... so I'm sticking to disaster farming with my AP for now.

sanahtlig

11-26-2018, 02:55 PM

I doubt I'll be able to get MLB weapons or eidolons from this event T-T... so I'm sticking to disaster farming with my AP for now.
Getting MLB SSRs from Raid events is simply about racking up medals, and that has nothing to do with your team's power and everything to do with being active. You could conceivably farm both SSRs without using consumables or even AP if you join raids throughout the day.

Unregistered

11-26-2018, 03:38 PM

Heck, I find Leis to be way harder than Tartarus O.o... I doubt I'll be able to get MLB weapons or eidolons from this event T-T... so I'm sticking to disaster farming with my AP for now.

You can invite everyone for this fights, your power doesn't matter at raid events that much

Etrius

11-26-2018, 05:50 PM

Okay. Here goes. I am a relatively new player. I started this game when it first was released, but RL decided that it had to be a killjoy and ended up losing internet until just recently. I mean, I really hate that(Etrius shakes fist in a futile manner and curses RL). Anyways, I am back and I realize that I really had no clue(lol) what the heck I was doing back then. I also know that I still have a long way to go before I figure most of this game out. When I came back in late september my attack was 19000ish and now it's around 35000, so hopefully I'm making some strides. I know there's quite a lot of grinding to be done in this game, too. Recently I started getting a little bit of confidence when going through events and being able to solo through ultimates(messily, I admit and not with much style or grace, but I have managed to scratch some wins over those ultimate jerks). I do think that the sheer amounts of humble pie that this new event has been dishing out to me is uncalled for. You may call me biased if you wish. Also, typing this out makes me realize just how much time I've spent recently on this game- Good grief I have no life.^^

Wind team consists of Hercules(lvl19), Titania(lvl59), Arianrod(lvl67), Iblis(lvl44), and Odin(lvl50). On the bench I have Ithaqua(lvl41) and Neamhain(lvl50).

Of course I realize I still have a lot of work to do but I am wondering if maybe Mordred or Joan would be a better soul for this..?

I'd also like some advice about the miracle ticket. In addition to above I have the following:

Dark: Pluto, Susanoo, Meretseger, Baste, Erishkigal, Manes
Light: Sol, Eros, Metatron, Shamash, Uranus
Fire: (Emperor of Hell) Beezlebub, Brynhildr, Agni, Motu
Water: Shiva, Poseidon, Belphegor, Phoibe, Venus
Lightning: Tyr, Athena, Kingu, Cyclops

As far as Eidolons go, I wish I could say that I had the good(100%) ones but I don't. Most I have from recent events in addition to Water Dragoon, Efrit, Fafnir, Ouroboros, Fenrir, and Hetratonchires. No real element advantage here. Same goes for weapons, too.

I do think that Light is by far my strongest. I feel lucky to have gotten Sol, I'm just not strong enough yet to awaken her or any of the others. I know I should focus on this team, but gotta admit that I'd really like to get a better hime to lead my fire squad- this seems for some reason to bother me, go figure. Seems to be trying to mess with priorities.

Anyways, thoughts? Aside from a little too much rambling(sorry), I think that's it. I am grateful for any advice.

MajinLuffy

11-26-2018, 06:39 PM

Getting MLB SSRs from Raid events is simply about racking up medals, and that has nothing to do with your team's power and everything to do with being active. You could conceivably farm both SSRs without using consumables or even AP if you join raids throughout the day.

Really? :O
I mean, I'm still using my BP to get into any raid event battle I can find but with divine medals you can only get a copy of each and being so weak I've been avoiding taking a spot on ragnarok raids for devil medals thinking I may screw up the whole thing for everybody there :/ (and the event is just one week long)

You can invite everyone for this fights, your power doesn't matter at raid events that much

I did that once, got blasted and nobody joined, so instead of wasting AP and a whole hour of my team locked on that I just farmed disasters. But maybe I just played too early and people weren't still joining the event. Thanks, I'll try again :O

Unregistered

11-26-2018, 08:38 PM

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11-26-2018, 08:56 PM

sanahtlig

11-26-2018, 09:03 PM

Really? :O
I mean, I'm still using my BP to get into any raid event battle I can find but with divine medals you can only get a copy of each and being so weak I've been avoiding taking a spot on ragnarok raids for devil medals thinking I may screw up the whole thing for everybody there :/ (and the event is just one week long)
A single strong player can solo a Raid event Ragnarok. There's plenty of room for "dedicated debuffers".

MagicSpice

11-26-2018, 10:22 PM

First miracle ticket, struggling on who to get.
Current SSR kamihime:
fire: Ares, Yamaraja
Water: Shiva, Ea
Wind: Hastur
Lightning: none
Light: Raphael, Metatron, Atum
Dark: Hades, Osiris, Satan

Any help would be appreciated.

by the looks of your SSR, you probably should aim for light or dark. But if you have any 100% eidolons, you should aim for that element instead.

not fully sure on everyone to get but depending on element, these are some good targets:

Fire- Svarog, Mars, Amaterasu
Water- Nike Unleashed, Poseidon, Cthulhu
Wind- Titania, Aether, Cybele Unleahsed
Thunder- Raiko, Baal Unleashed, Jupiter
Light- Tsukiyomi, SSR Artemis (forgot the name), Sol
Dark- Thanatos, Chernabog, Amon Unleashed

I did that once, got blasted and nobody joined, so instead of wasting AP and a whole hour of my team locked on that I just farmed disasters. But maybe I just played too early and people weren't still joining the event. Thanks, I'll try again :O

the trick for newer players is to just join others raids. if you start your own and the boss HP isn't dropping, some players will think you're just AFK or something.

raid events (union ones too) are designed in a way so that all players can get the SSR rewards no matter how strong they are. it's just that newer players clearly need assistance since only standard might be a viable solo grind if anything.

at most you'll end up maintaining buffs, debuffs, and possibly some damage but to be on the safe side, just stop doing any actions if you're about to die.

and if you do happen to start your own raid, you can request union help only once, but "all" and "friend" help can be requested multiple times (once per 10 mins I think)

AlphonseP

11-26-2018, 11:06 PM

First miracle ticket, struggling on who to get.
Current SSR kamihime:
fire: Ares, Yamaraja
Water: Shiva, Ea
Wind: Hastur
Lightning: none
Light: Raphael, Metatron, Atum
Dark: Hades, Osiris, Satan

Any help would be appreciated.

If you have no focus on any particular element, then it's best to go with Sol.

She's a jack of all trades, master of none. She can fit in any team you plan to build, but she won't allow that team to reach its max potential.

With that said, there are fights where she will shine such as Dark Rag.

Slashley

11-26-2018, 11:21 PM

-- and being so weak I've been avoiding taking a spot on ragnarok raids for devil medals thinking I may screw up the whole thing for everybody there :/ (and the event is just one week long) --Everyone is weak at first, don't worry about it. You just need to leech max 50 Ragnaroks in order to one day become strong enough to help other leeches. It's a beautiful cycle.

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?
Well, Wind helps you more in general since Thunder is the one content that's painful for you, but eh!

I did that once, got blasted and nobody joined, so instead of wasting AP and a whole hour of my team locked on that --Yeah, that can happen... but join a Union? Union invites are by far the most reliable.

Also, it should happen less in general once the event gets a day or two in.
--
Fire- Svarog, Mars, Amaterasu
Water- Nike Unleashed, Poseidon, Cthulhu
Wind- Titania, Aether, Cybele Unleahsed
Thunder- Raiko, Baal Unleashed, Jupiter
Light- Tsukiyomi, SSR Artemis (forgot the name), Sol
Dark- Thanatos, Chernabog, Amon Unleashed
--I really disagree with a couple of choices here:
No Uriel in Fire.
Poseidon is... noooot what I'd recommend until her Awakening is out. That's a long, long way out. For anyone starting a Water team from scratch, the option is basically always Cthulhu only due to her incredible range of abilities (and amazing Awakening wayyyy down the line).
I wouldn't recommend Jupiter to anyone building a Thunder team from scratch. That's Athena's job, as she can single handedly carry Thunder against Water fights. She sucks ass everywhere else, though, so recommending Raiko and (ugh) SSR Baal is fine. Phantom element Thor always deserves a mention too.
Amon Unleashed for somebody who has Satan is... not ideal. Yet. Once SSR Amon gets her rework to C frame, she's great with Awakened Satan - the two of them reach -50% Def by themselves! But, until then, SSR Amon isn't very impressive for teams with Satan.

Overall I had way less beef with all that than what I expected. Should I say good job?

Cobblemaniac

11-26-2018, 11:27 PM

Everyone is weak at first, don't worry about it. You just need to leech max 50 Ragnaroks in order to one day become strong enough to help other leeches. It's a beautiful cycle.

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?
Well, Wind helps you more in general since Thunder is the one content that's painful for you, but eh!Yeah, that can happen... but join a Union? Union invites are by far the most reliable.

Also, it should happen less in general once the event gets a day or two in.I really disagree with a couple of choices here:
No Uriel in Fire.
Poseidon is... noooot what I'd recommend until her Awakening is out. That's a long, long way out. For anyone starting a Water team from scratch, the option is basically always Cthulhu only due to her incredible range of abilities (and amazing Awakening wayyyy down the line).
I wouldn't recommend Jupiter to anyone building a Thunder team from scratch. That's Athena's job, as she can single handedly carry Thunder against Water fights. She sucks ass everywhere else, though, so recommending Raiko and (ugh) SSR Baal is fine. Phantom element Thor always deserves a mention too.
Amon Unleashed for somebody who has Satan is... not ideal. Yet. Once SSR Amon gets her rework to C frame, she's great with Awakened Satan - the two of them reach -50% Def by themselves! But, until then, SSR Amon isn't very impressive for teams with Satan.

Overall I had way less beef with all that than what I expected. Should I say good job?

Poseidon is a pick specifically for fire tower 15F... that and/ or Aphrodite. But veteran things.

Marduk also becomes meta later on, and Raiko Baal U would be solid picks.

As for dark... can't go wrong with Satan AW Herc. Amon U and Thanatos are basically nothing but debuff slaves. By no means terrible to have, but definitely not worth mtixing IMO. What you really need is Berith in a dark setup. Oh and Pluto. Pls don't forget lego loli.

Consider Mike for light, she gets a borken ass awakening down the line. Also light dps overlord meta in the future anyway. Banzai

Dais

11-27-2018, 12:31 AM

Berith is godlike on a dark team, I'm not experienced with the other dark himes but I have berith and chernobog on the same team and they seem pretty op. Beriths counters can do some big deeps and she can avoid one death.

Shieun

11-27-2018, 12:56 AM

Future content makes it hard to land debuff. While getting to 50% def down is still the cheapest (and easiest) way to increase your damage, solely mtixing someone just because they provide def down could be a costly decision in future.

MagicSpice

11-27-2018, 03:15 AM

As for dark... can't go wrong with Satan AW Herc. Amon U and Thanatos are basically nothing but debuff slaves. By no means terrible to have, but definitely not worth mtixing IMO. What you really need is Berith in a dark setup. Oh and Pluto. Pls don't forget lego loli.

considering she also generates burst quite well, wouldn't that give thanatos more weight?

Future content makes it hard to land debuff. While getting to 50% def down is still the cheapest (and easiest) way to increase your damage, solely mtixing someone just because they provide def down could be a costly decision in future.

could easily say that for wind enemy content (which is why i suggested Ama and Mars cause they do more than just debuff). not sure about other content though.

but on that note buffers that come in different frames would be ideal, cause they're also an easy ticket to high damage for a few turns at the very least. going by personal experience, 160% elemental attack and 80% assault still generates over 50k per hit for a few turns with a team of Arthur (flat atk buff), Svarog (stack atk buff), Yama (elem atk buff), and Dakki (rampaging). remove the rampaging part and replace it with PF and that's still a high amount of burst damage. toss in def debuffs and this only grows in damage

Dais

11-27-2018, 07:10 AM

Quick question, do same Eidolon passives stack? Example would x2 belials give you 200% fire dmg? I assume they do, just want to make sure, because I saw someone with a 105% belial and was trying to rationalize why someone would do that.

Cobblemaniac

11-27-2018, 07:15 AM

considering she also generates burst quite well, wouldn't that give thanatos more weight?

could easily say that for wind enemy content (which is why i suggested Ama and Mars cause they do more than just debuff). not sure about other content though.

but on that note buffers that come in different frames would be ideal, cause they're also an easy ticket to high damage for a few turns at the very least. going by personal experience, 160% elemental attack and 80% assault still generates over 50k per hit for a few turns with a team of Arthur (flat atk buff), Svarog (stack atk buff), Yama (elem atk buff), and Dakki (rampaging). remove the rampaging part and replace it with PF and that's still a high amount of burst damage. toss in def debuffs and this only grows in damage

More weight than Amon... sure I'll give her that pass. But Pluto and Berith offer far more utility compared to Thanatos in most other ways to begin with, so I'd have her dropped to low priority. Since we are talking about mtix after all.

Ama doesn't do more than debuff... and a bit of heal. A rebalance is long overdue for her tbh, even in DMM version. Mars is... a bit more useful than Ama considering the nuke multiplier and dispel, but wirag don't got terrible buffs to dispel anyway. Just go Uriel. Wind content basically cares nothing about debuffs for the next year.

Quick question, do same Eidolon passives stack? Example would x2 belials give you 200% fire dmg? I assume they do, just want to make sure, because I saw someone with a 105% belial and was trying to rationalize why someone would do that.

Yes, but not the way you think.

You get the passive only from the main slot eido. That's where the first 100% goes to. There's another main slot eido that is exclusively friend only slot, and that's where you can stick at 2nd 100% eido... from your friend list. Therefore, any extra 100% you get should go into LBing.

sanahtlig

11-27-2018, 07:16 AM

As a Water main, it REALLY helps to have proper Thunder stuff. I mean, what are you going to farm Water stuff with?
You farm Water content with your Water team, or else you're not a Water main, are you? When you've committed yourself to raising 3/6 elements, you've diluted the economy of focusing on one element. Might as well raise all 6 elements equally at that point.

On the other hand, the eidolon is valuable to all new players regardless of element. On the way to that, you'll pick up the weapon anyway.

Cobblemaniac

11-27-2018, 07:21 AM

You farm Water content with your Water team, or else you're not a Water main, are you? When you've committed yourself to raising 3/6 elements, you've diluted the economy of focusing on one element. Might as well raise all 6 elements equally at that point.

On the other hand, the eidolon is valuable to all new players regardless of element. On the way to that, you'll pick up the weapon anyway.

Eh. Anyone planning to be relevant in the game should be picking up and keeping all event weapons save the absolute trash like Adra's bow anyway.

Overfarming is another thing, but you get my drift. The final goal for a veteran is still to get 6 functional element teams, it's only a matter of time.

sanahtlig

11-27-2018, 07:44 AM

Anyone planning to be relevant in the game
This is really elitist-sounding--dismissing those who have different goals or priorities as "irrelevant". Not everyone aspires to be in the top 10 or wants to dedicate most of their free time to this game. This sort of mentality causes the population that doesn't share these goals--which is, frankly, the vast majority--to tune out the thought leaders in the community. Because to them, opinions like this make the community leaders "irrelevant".

Dais

11-27-2018, 07:46 AM

Yes, but not the way you think.

You get the passive only from the main slot eido. That's where the first 100% goes to. There's another main slot eido that is exclusively friend only slot, and that's where you can stick at 2nd 100% eido... from your friend list. Therefore, any extra 100% you get should go into LBing.

Oh, so the sub eidolons dont give any passives at all? Sub eidolons should just be dmg focused or something? I'm guessing this applies with weapons as well? Such as being able to put any element weapon in your sub for dmg only, since it wont give passives?

artista

11-27-2018, 08:10 AM

Oh, so the sub eidolons dont give any passives at all? Sub eidolons should just be dmg focused or something? I'm guessing this applies with weapons as well? Such as being able to put any element weapon in your sub for dmg only, since it wont give passives?

Usually eidos with higher stats for subs unless they have a good active that is worth it. Weapons dont work like that, all sub weapons skills work and thats where most your power comes from so dont go with a rainbow weapon grid.

Dais

11-27-2018, 08:13 AM

Usually eidos with higher stats for subs unless they have a good active that is worth it. Weapons dont work like that, all sub weapons skills work and thats where most your power comes from so dont go with a rainbow weapon grid.

Okay whew. I guess I need to clear up my Eidolon party since I have like 4 dulluhans in my sub party, lol.

MaL1c1oU5

11-27-2018, 08:36 AM

I am a new player who has a great reroll to start with and I need a little help with my M tix choice. As I am still new and don’t get understand all of the nuances I’d hate to spend it on the wrong kamihime! I have a dark team, these are the dark hime that I have
-Susanoo
-Nephtys
-Amaterasu
-Manes
-Paimon
-Ereshkigal

I am thinking either Satan or Hades might be a good place to start.

Thanks for the help! \m/

artista

11-27-2018, 08:45 AM

Cobblemaniac

11-27-2018, 09:28 AM

This is really elitist-sounding--dismissing those who have different goals or priorities as "irrelevant". Not everyone aspires to be in the top 10 or wants to dedicate most of their free time to this game. This sort of mentality causes the population that doesn't share these goals--which is, frankly, the vast majority--to tune out the thought leaders in the community. Because to them, opinions like this make the community leaders "irrelevant".

Misunderstood intention. What I meant by relevant was simply having a good enough grid to continue tackling content without any trouble. And mind you, future content simply favours the element advantage more simply by nature of there is only so much damage you can deal/ take. There really isn't a good phrasing for this. Maybe "don't want to be frustrated with difficulty" works.

Think of it this way. Focusing on a single element all the time limits your options to whatever that element gives you, as opposed to going for multiple when you have the resources. Keyword being you have the resources. Because as I link to the 2nd paragraph of the previous statement, there's only so much you can do for your grid for one element before you get capped. What to do next? 1. Whale. 2. Get another element setup.

The key point is this: nobody can dictate how to play the game. But when giving advice... I'd prefer giving the most optimal one. It's too difficult to account for a singular playstyle at any one time, not especially if the player doesn't plan to commit.

Edit: An extra titbit. All future tower content missions have 1/3 of their medal weight geared towards elemental advantage. Uhh... weigh this as you will.

sanahtlig

11-27-2018, 04:43 PM

What I meant by relevant was simply having a good enough grid to continue tackling content without any trouble
What does this mean? What assumptions about activity level and resources does this make? If you have a good enough grid for every element, does that mean you can "tackle future content without any trouble"?

there's only so much you can do for your grid for one element before you get capped. What to do next? 1. Whale. 2. Get another element setup.

3. Take the time and effort you saved and do something else with it. Perhaps something other than playing this game.

when giving advice... I'd prefer giving the most optimal one
What's optimal for you might be a waste of limited resources for someone else.

All future tower content missions have 1/3 of their medal weight geared towards elemental advantage. Uhh... weigh this as you will.
Assume you're a top player who earns all 15k possible Tower medals per event. That leaves you with 2.5k medals to spend per element. Now suppose a single-element player earns 5k medals because he can't clear all content and misses out on the elemental advantage bonus most or all of the time. Which player has the most medals to spend on the element they regularly use?

HugMeTender

11-27-2018, 05:39 PM

MOAR DRAMA PLZ

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Cobblemaniac

11-27-2018, 05:51 PM

What does this mean? What assumptions about activity level and resources does this make? If you have a good enough grid for every element, does that mean you can "tackle future content without any trouble"?

3. Take the time and effort you saved and do something else with it. Perhaps something other than playing this game.

What's optimal for you might be a waste of limited resources for someone else.

Assume you're a top player who earns all 15k possible Tower medals per event. That leaves you with 2.5k medals to spend per element. Now suppose a single-element player earns 5k medals because he can't clear all content and misses out on the elemental advantage bonus most or all of the time. Which player has the most medals to spend on the element they regularly use?

1. I originally meant it to target the higher commitment players or basically veterans, considering that the person you replied to was Slashley.

See, the thing is that KP isn’t really something that’s newbie friendly. The raids advents and stuff are all set difficulty in a sense, but having newbies catch up to a level where let’s say they can clear GO without ripping their hair off... requires a least some commitment. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

The way I see it people play this game for 2 reasons. 1. For lewds (thank god for the players, thanks Eliont and xellosp) and 2. Because it’s fun. And when someone plays the game for reason 2... I would thonk it’s reasonable to assume they wanna get good at the game... which means commitment. Casuals probably wouldn’t drop by the forum in the first place.

Basically when I use the word optimal: fast, efficient progression. That just means grid setups btw. I can’t say what you do with your himes considering it’s RNG... unless miracle tickets. Team comps? Sure, that’s a question mark but again it’s what they have.

Which brings me to... (just a point skip first)

3. Event resources aren’t really that hard. Well, depends. Advents are a struggle for newbies, so that gets a pass. UE... unions. Point taken. Raids? Just gotta catch on that you can leech 250/100 and that’s clear. But of course, again, that’s newbies only, and you tailor your guide to them, I don’t have an issue. Still, when they’re capable you might as well tell them to collect all the good stuff while they can. And if it comes to whale stuff that’s a case by case basis.

2. Uh. Sure. Spend your time that way, I don’t exactly have problems with it. You should have an idea what trade off happens with that line of reasoning though. sometimes you can do both tho

4. Uh...? I’m pretty sure most would agree on the brick being the optimal pick (do you have the shop list?)... considering it’s otherwise only accessible to whales. If you don’t get 10k points, you save them and get more from the next tower... and buy the brick. If you’re a casual playing the game... tickets or jewels??? I dunno. It’s actually easier to advise someone who wants optimal setups (according to the fastest progression).

Now the brick does bring the idea of a main element still. Won’t deny. That goes by a case by case basis as well.

I think I’ve gone off the radar tho, so I’ll drop my point here to be clearer: just get all the event weps. It’s not that hard unless you don’t want spend more than half an hour a day on the game.

MagicSpice

11-27-2018, 06:44 PM

Okay whew. I guess I need to clear up my Eidolon party since I have like 4 dulluhans in my sub party, lol.

yeah, that's pretty bad unless you don't have any other eidolons to use.

the best things to put as subs are eidolons with high stats, or eidolons with good effects on call.. even better if they can do both. it can even depend on the event as well. (like using a Gale Kaiser Dragoon to block some thunder damage against a thunder enemy).

for instance, here's the eidolons for my wind team:

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My Main one increases Wind elemental atk by 40% and reduces thunder damage by 10%, so she's placed in that slot.

As for subs:

-Echidna (dark) cause she has lv100 and high stats being a gacha one (her dizzy sometimes lands too).
-Meng Huo (thunder) is there for both her lv100 stats and her atk buff when summoned.
-Huanglong (thunder) is there for stats like echidna. She rarely gets summoned though as she just extends the length of stun mode on bosses.
-Tiamat (Water) is also mostly there for stats, but her summon effect of adding a 3 turn barrier against damage can help soak it up (usually pops instantly cause it's only 750 HP damage it blocks total).
-Gale Kaiser Dragoon (Wind) is there for her effects more than her stats. Her summon effect provides a very good buff combo of boosting wind damage I deal while lowering thunder damage I take for 2 turns.

it's honestly not just the main eidolon, but also sub eidolons that are important, as some can greatly help you (like Meng Huo and Gale Kaiser's buffs greatly increasing burst damage in a full burst combo). At the very least, they give more Atk and HP and that gets amplified when weapon effects and other things come into play.