Kamihime Project R has had rape content censored in the Nutaku release

[sanahtlig]

Edit: Full write-up now available on my blog:
Nutaku covertly censored dialogues to make rape scenes in free-to-play ero-RPG Kamihime Project R seem consensual, reneging on earlier promises.
Rape scenes censored in Nutaku's Kamihime Project R (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2017/03/rape-scenes-censored-nutaku-kamihime-project.html)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TlBSNgGGCQY/WLitfVDxk0I/AAAAAAAABVk/B2CNoTw22eYyLGE3pKGmoSFsxsPQyTlEwCLcB/s1600/Kamihime%2BProject%2BR%2BNutaku%2Bcensored.jpg

Catalogue of censored H-scenes (if you spot a censored scene that isn't in this list, notify me with a post in this thread):
Exclusive/Gatcha:
Belphegor scene 1 (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/p/belphegors.html)
Indra (tentacle scene) (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-5.html#post65527)
Cronus opening scene, scene 2 (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-9.html#post66623)
Astaroth (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-9.html#post66623)
Nergal (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-9.html#post66623)
Satan scene 2 (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-10.html#post67234)
Perun scene 1 (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-10.html#post67778)
Boreas (reported by me)
Triton (first tentacle scene, reported by me)

Story/Events:
Adele (opening scene) (https://twitter.com/sanahtlig/status/831883931612016641)
Cybele (character scenes 1+2, reported by me)
Rosenkreuz (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-8.html#post66364)
Van Helsing (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-10.html#post67336) (confirmed by me)
Phoenix (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-post65436.html#post65436)
Garuda (http://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/3054-kamihime-project-rape-content-censored-nutaku-release-8.html#post66327)
Jormungandr (reported by me)

***

I previously noted that the intro H-scene of Nutaku's Kamihime Project R (http://www.nutaku.net/games/kamihime-r/?ats=eyJhIjo4Mjg1MCwiYyI6Mjc4MjA3MCwibiI6MSwicyI6M SwiZSI6MTA5MywicCI6Mn0=) had been badly mistranslated (https://twitter.com/sanahtlig/status/831883931612016641). After a few more scenes like this, I noticed a pattern: the mistranslations tended to occur in scenes with coerced sex, and typically involved cries of "No, stop it!" being replaced with "Please fuck me!" 'Pinned' appears to have been replaced with 'pined' in one scene. The resulting dialogue is so incoherent, the edits handled so hamfistedly, that even those without Japanese knowledge could spot that something is amiss.

The full extent of the changes made in the English version is currently unknown. I've spotted deliberate mistranslations in multiple H-scenes, including the intro scene, Belphegor's 1*, and Cybele's 3*. I can only spot mistranslations in scenes from characters I've unlocked, and when the English dialogue doesn't match the Japanese female voices. Much of the scenes is not voiced, and I don't have most of the characters, and therefore what I've uncovered is possibly only the tip of the iceberg.

I encourage users who are concerned about these changes to confront Nutaku about it on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nutakugames) and via both game support ticket (https://www.nutaku.net/support/game-inquiries/) and website support ticket (https://www.nutaku.net/support/general-inquiries/). While users may or may not deserve a censorship-free experience, they DO deserve to be told when changes to the game have been made to comply with regulations, and Nutaku has failed to meet this obligation.

I document censorship like this in Nutaku's games and other eroge: Eroge with a censored official English release, a comprehensive list (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2016/02/eroge-with-censored-official-english-release.html).
I have also tracked Nutaku's long history of censorship (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2016/08/nutaku-caught-censoring-evidence-of-censorship.html#censorship_history), as well as their promise to notify users of any further censorship (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2016/08/lewdgamers-interview-with-nutaku.html).

[President Ramu]

Just so I'm clear here... the hill you've chosen to fight on is "Rape, Pedophila and Beastiality in Anime Games"? That's the cause you're bleeding for here?

[sanahtlig]

Just so I'm clear here... the hill you've chosen to fight on is "Rape, Pedophila and Beastiality in Anime Games"? That's the cause you're bleeding for here?
A full description of the rationale behind my documentation of eroge censorship is available here (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2016/02/eroge-with-censored-official-english-release.html#project_rationale).

[President Ramu]

Right. You're documenting all these changes, because "English publishers, caught between the allure of market forces that incentivize them to launder sexual or offensive content on one side and potential backlash from anti-censorship activists on the other, often seek the coward's way out".

But the content they're "laundering out" is Rape, Pedophilia and Beastiality. Which is what you're de facto fighting for them to include. The "coward's way out" is not approving or endorsing Rape, Pedophilia and Beastiality.

[sanahtlig]

Right. You're documenting all these changes, because "English publishers, caught between the allure of market forces that incentivize them to launder sexual or offensive content on one side and potential backlash from anti-censorship activists on the other, often seek the coward's way out".

But the content they're "laundering out" is Rape, Pedophilia and Beastiality. Which is what you're de facto fighting for them to include.
No. The project is far broader in scope than that. If you read on to the Project Goals section, that might become more clear.

[sniddy]

...I'm kinda on the fence here, taking massive scissors to it means why bother trying?

I mean picking it apart will just leave a horrid mess and more vanilla - they're weighting the amount of people the more exotic content will encourage to the amount is will discourage....shame

[sanahtlig]

I contacted Nutaku for comment and they've shared their viewpoint on the matter. They were refreshingly straightforward this time around. I've also translation-checked the prelude to Belphegor's first H-scene for side-by-side comparison. I'll finish writing it up and post it on my blog.

[Ramazan]

No. The project is far broader in scope than that. If you read on to the Project Goals section, that might become more clear.

Dude, why dont you just stop taking this scope, eroge or wth is all these matters seriously? Just play the game for fun and dont give a shit about the rest. I second Ramu's opinions here, you're on the same hill with all those rape, pedo fans...

I also dont understand why people are against about implants that nutaku made on some characters. Japan is known for its notoriety in porn sector with all these pedo and rape stuff and nutaku is just fixing their shiet, whats wrong about that also. Honestly, this is a good reason to stay on nutaku side and not go into dmm section for me.

Im not trying to be a good guy, its just this should how the things handled in moral levels. Porn itself is bad like drugs, why make it even worse?

[Aidoru]

Oh, you have that mentality where people who play a game with this content are also that. I honestly didn't expect that from someone who plays Japanese porn games.

Everyone who plays a game with rape or loli content are automatically rapists and pedophiles? I guess everyone plays GTA is gonna grow up to be a criminal and every game that involves killing people will turn people into killers. /sarcasm

There are a lot of dumb humans out there but people aren't so fucking dumb to not be able to differentiate between fiction and non-fiction.

[Unregistered]

I contacted Nutaku for comment and they've shared their viewpoint on the matter. They were refreshingly straightforward this time around. I've also translation-checked the prelude to Belphegor's first H-scene for side-by-side comparison. I'll finish writing it up and post it on my blog.

I'm looking forward to this. I was a little confused by a lot of the content I saw as well, most notably a comparison of Billy the Kids scenes where anyone who has watched anime for a day knows she is clearly calling you "brother" but they chose to go with "cowboy". I though weird... maybe they have something against implied incest even though she is clearly not actually your sister.

However much later I finally got Diabolos scene and here is a tiny girl bouncing around calling you Daddy a million times. This was the point where I gave up trying to understand their process and lack of overall quality control in their translations. So much of it feels like it was run through a machine and just spat out without any human looking at it other than to ctrl-f and replace certain possibly "offensive" words.

Imagine there are plenty of fans who would be happy to join a translation board and help improve their translations for a small jewel or ngold allowance.

[Mattress]

Dude, why dont you just stop taking this scope, eroge or wth is all these matters seriously? Just play the game for fun and dont give a shit about the rest. I second Ramu's opinions here, you're on the same hill with all those rape, pedo fans...

I also dont understand why people are against about implants that nutaku made on some characters. Japan is known for its notoriety in porn sector with all these pedo and rape stuff and nutaku is just fixing their shiet, whats wrong about that also. Honestly, this is a good reason to stay on nutaku side and not go into dmm section for me.

Im not trying to be a good guy, its just this should how the things handled in moral levels. Porn itself is bad like drugs, why make it even worse?
Everyone has their fantasies, don't call them shit just because you don't like it. I'm a totally normal guy, I don't go around raping girls or harass little child, but if ONE GAME has this kind of content what's the problem? Nutaku is full of vanilla games, take it easy man.

[sanahtlig]

Im not trying to be a good guy, its just this should how the things handled in moral levels. Porn itself is bad like drugs, why make it even worse?
Your stance is based on a completely opposite set of values. An eroge enthusiast claiming their hobby is a vice is actually very unusual. I'm used to hearing that kind of talk from religious conservatives. But that's neither here nor there.

I'm an industry & consumer advocate and blogger. My goal isn't to convince you of a given opinion or that this is an important cause (which is an impossible task when your fundamental values are so different). However, there is an audience that agrees that this is an important issue. I write and report for them, and to hold companies accountable for not communicating properly with users.

[Unregistered]

We need more rape in games advocates. Maybe once rape is normalized people won't need H games for sex then.

[sanahtlig]

I've posted my full write-up on my blog.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TlBSNgGGCQY/WLitfVDxk0I/AAAAAAAABVk/B2CNoTw22eYyLGE3pKGmoSFsxsPQyTlEwCLcB/s1600/Kamihime%2BProject%2BR%2BNutaku%2Bcensored.jpg

Nutaku has been caught censoring dialogues implying non-consensual sex in free-to-play ero-RPG Kamihime Project R, reneging on earlier promises.
Rape scenes censored in Nutaku's Kamihime Project R (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2017/03/rape-scenes-censored-nutaku-kamihime-project.html)

[Unregistered]

i'm sure that cybele 2 scene was modified with larger boobs

[Ericridge]

You guys putting Sanahtlig down seems to not understand that by putting him down you are supporting censorship and encourage nutaku to censor more content even in vanilla content.

United we stand, divided we fall. That kind of thing.

But it seems that the root of the problem is with Nutaku's payment processors who is looking for a good excuse to start problems?

[aphral]

This is outrageous, i'm not going to spend my USD on their gold for 1 month!

[President Ramu]

You guys putting Sanahtlig down seems to not understand that by putting him down you are supporting censorship and encourage nutaku to censor more content even in vanilla content.


You don't seem to understand that I DO support the censorship of pedophilia. I DO support the censorship of beastiality. I have no moral compunction whatsoever with them removing it entirely, regardless of if they mention it or not.

This isn't a "slippery slope" argument, or a "first they came for the communists, and I said nothing." If they come for the pederasts first I will point to them with great vigor and say "Yup, go right ahead."

[Ramazan]

You don't seem to understand that I DO support the censorship of pedophilia. I DO support the censorship of beastiality. I have no moral compunction whatsoever with them removing it entirely, regardless of if they mention it or not.

This isn't a "slippery slope" argument, or a "first they came for the communists, and I said nothing." If they come for the pederasts first I will point to them with great vigor and say "Yup, go right ahead."

And i do support you. Im just too tired atm to reply all the dudes at above. People just dont know what they're really defending.
Its not a right thing to have such fantazies also.

[jazz154]

You don't seem to understand that I DO support the censorship of pedophilia. I DO support the censorship of beastiality. I have no moral compunction whatsoever with them removing it entirely, regardless of if they mention it or not.

This isn't a "slippery slope" argument, or a "first they came for the communists, and I said nothing." If they come for the pederasts first I will point to them with great vigor and say "Yup, go right ahead."

I believe that work of fiction is fiction and it should be trated as such. So who cares if there is rape, pedephilia, zoophilia, tentacles, cuckolding and other things? I's just a fiction, get over it. All in all I prefer to let them have this stuff in game jerking off to this rather than having them go out and trying it in real life.
Also if it isn't evident from this statement, I don't support censorship of fiction of any kind.



And i do support you. Im just too tired atm to reply all the dudes at above. People just dont know what they're really defending.
Its not a right thing to have such fantazies also.

Soo... in other words you want to control people's minds? You do realize that it isn't people's choice to what they are attracted, right? Controlling people's minds and forcing them to think the way you see fit would be more disguting to me than them having their fantasies.

[razisgosu]

Nutaku shouldn't be censoring games they bring over, regardless of content. Its stupid and unnecessary.

[Dargor]

Another game censored in Nutaku, nothing new there. With some japanese knowledge (come on, I'm pretty sure everyone has their good dose of hentai) you can just ignore the text and listen what they are saying. I'm not trying to defend nutaku here, but that's all they changed. At least, from what I've seen, the CG's are untouched, at diference of most of the games.

I agree with that Nutaku should say what content they censored/changed for legal reasons intead of say "all our games are uncensored" and then having the user complain about it,

[sanahtlig]

People just dont know what they're really defending.
I've been writing on this topic for over 10 years. I'd say I've given it some thought. Though it's been a while since I've come across an eroge fan who defended censorship of fiction on moral grounds. I'm content to sit the ideological argument out and simply let the info disseminate to like-minded people--so long as you don't attack others' preferences, argue irrationally, or make objectively false statements. Take care about the first one in particular and we'll get along.

[jazz154]

Another game censored in Nutaku, nothing new there. With some japanese knowledge (come on, I'm pretty sure everyone has their good dose of hentai) you can just ignore the text and listen what they are saying. I'm not trying to defend nutaku here, but that's all they changed. At least, from what I've seen, the CG's are untouched, at diference of most of the games.

I agree with that Nutaku should say what content they censored/changed for legal reasons intead of say "all our games are uncensored" and then having the user complain about it,

Yeah, I do understand that they have to censor some things, otherwise paypal and rest of gang will say "no" to providing their services(and let's not lie as we all know it's about money), but they should at least tell you that they will censor game, and if they said "what" they will censor then it would be just great.

[Mattress]

And i do support you. Im just too tired atm to reply all the dudes at above. People just dont know what they're really defending.
Its not a right thing to have such fantazies also.


WAKE UP, your waifu doesn't exist, they are fucking drawings. You don't know what you're saying, just moralizing like a priest. Don't watch violent movies, it's morally wrong! Come on...:D If you have trouble distinguishing reality from fiction it's your problem, you know? By the way, I listen that going forward the scenes are almost all vanilla, so your imaginary wives will be safeguarded, are you satisfied now? :cool:

[Ramazan]

WAKE UP, your waifu doesn't exist, they are fucking drawings. You don't know what you're saying, just moralizing like a priest. Don't watch violent movies, it's morally wrong! Come on...:D If you have trouble distinguishing reality from fiction it's your problem, you know? By the way, I listen that going forward the scenes are almost all vanilla, so your imaginary wives will be safeguarded, are you satisfied now? :cool:

Well o_O i support the idea of that they're drawing, imaginary characters and not should be taken seriously. I also dont understand noone of the guys above, do i have to think same with you o_O im not a priest or something lmao, cant be atheist a moral person?? (im not an atheist too tho) Humans are untrusted and uncontrollable, if you watch/enjoy from rape/bestiality/guro stuff there's no guarantee that you wont do the same irl, its okay if you do enjoy these kinds of stuff irl too there's no need to argue with you. My argument is with the ones that dislike the rape/bestiality stuff irl but enjoys watching it in fictionary world o_O also it'd be better if you guys keep your tone civilized .__. we're here for fun right? and socialize. There's no gain for you if you keep bashing my head ;)

[Mattress]

Well o_O i support the idea of that they're drawing, imaginary characters and not should be taken seriously. I also dont understand noone of the guys above, do i have to think same with you o_O im not a priest or something lmao, cant be atheist a moral person?? (im not an atheist too tho) Humans are untrusted and uncontrollable, if you watch/enjoy from rape/bestiality/guro stuff there's no guarantee that you wont do the same irl, its okay if you do enjoy these kinds of stuff irl too there's no need to argue with you. My argument is with the ones that dislike the rape/bestiality stuff irl but enjoys watching it in fictionary world o_O also it'd be better if you guys keep your tone civilized .__. we're here for fun right? and socialize. There's no gain for you if you keep bashing my head




There are different genres precisely to meet the tastes of all kind of people, in the world we are not all equal. :D I respect your opinion and your tastes but if you want chensorship in the scenes you don't like it then I disagree. Maybe there were too many scenes of a certain type and the game initially aimed only on a part of users, would have been sufficient to make the ratio more balanced between vanilla scenes and other genres IMHO, that's all. I'm sorry if I sounded aggressive, I didn't mean to insult you earlier.

[sanahtlig]

if you watch/enjoy from rape/bestiality/guro stuff there's no guarantee that you wont do the same irl
And there's no guarantee that if you DON'T watch/enjoy rape/bestiality/guro that you won't do the same in real life. Your argument is Trumpian: that is, implying negative consequences based on a gut feeling with no actual justification. If you'd like to present objective evidence or a logical argument to back your claims, however, feel free.

[Unregistered]

As long as Nutaku bring us clear images were the poor japanese user see mosaics -wish they would do the same with Peropero-, and whatever change they make helps reinforcing the idea that eroge fans are not perturbed morons with a penis in the place of brain, I won't raise a torch against a so-called censorship.

Probably they need a bit of deeper work on translation to avoid unconsistences, but anyways, unexact scripts -more based in global story context than propper translation- are old friends of western publishers of manga/anime.

[Ramazan]

And there's no guarantee that if you DON'T watch/enjoy rape/bestiality/guro that you won't do the same in real life. Your argument is Trumpian: that is, implying negative consequences based on a gut feeling with no actual justification. If you'd like to present objective evidence or a logical argument to back your claims, however, feel free.

The whole thread is pointless, not helping to community you know that? I mean more than ninety percent wouldnt mind few words being changed cuz bgr suffering so much of it but people still playing it nevertheless and they only care about if devs gonna release next event or not. You're obviously missing the whole point of these games, people not living in it like you.

As for my argument, lets say im wrong, how do you think you'll prove yours? Your behaviours and this thread feels like you're using your jap knowledge as a boasting material. Dunno why i involved in the first place, maybe too much free time.

[sanahtlig]

You don't seem to understand where I'm coming from. I didn't come here to fight censorship. Neither did I create this topic because I'm bored. It just so happens that I'm an anti-censorship advocate, and that the game I've been playing was stealthily censored, and therefore I'm obligated to spread the word about it. I've been doing this for a while, long before I'd ever heard of this game, or even before Nutaku existed. In addition, I've been going back and forth with Nutaku about this for a while now, and they failed to live up to their promises to me and others to disclose future alterations.


As for my argument, lets say im wrong, how do you think you'll prove yours?
What is my argument? Or what do you think it is? I'm curious.


Your behaviours and this thread feels like you're using your jap knowledge as a boasting material.
'I know you are but what am I?' Can't you argue without questioning people's motivations?

[BigBobs]

I'm more annoyed by the lack of spaces between a lot of the text and general badness of the translation than anything else.

Seriously though, the lack of spaces infuriates me.

[sanahtlig]

I'm more annoyed by the lack of spaces between a lot of the text and general badness of the translation than anything else.

Seriously though, the lack of spaces infuriates me.
The spacing issues are a problem, but the translation itself seems above average compared to what I've seen in other Nutaku titles (minus the edits, which are awful). The Japanese script itself isn't very good though. Storytelling is not this game's strength.

In addition, the game appears to be following the original event schedule and using the updated system / engine. There's a level of technical competence, effort, and polish in the English release which seems to be lacking in the other Nutaku titles I've played.

[Unregistered]

I'm more annoyed by the lack of spaces between a lot of the text and general badness of the translation than anything else.

Seriously though, the lack of spaces infuriates me.

This appears to be a formatting issue rather than a typo issue. If you actually look in the text logs you find that it doesn't have this problem because the two words are separated by a line break. A little quality control would go a long way in their text department.

- - - Updated - - -

Regardless of my opinion on the specific content being censored, I believe it's healthy for consumers to regularly challenge companies on decisions they make (for both sides).

Forcing them to regularly consider the ramifications of their actions is healthy, and allows a more balanced consideration of their choices. Forcing them to take a clear stand and define their limits is much better for consumers, and by challenging them on harder to defend positions like these prevent them from superfluously skipping over or disregarding other content.

The biggest issue consumers have with companies is transparency, and Nutaku has consistently avoided taking a clear stance on censorship and frequently contradict themselves. Dragging these discussions/arguments to light is a good thing. Companies without clear values or ones that contradict their values tend to have the most morally suspect behavior, at no specific fault of the employees.

I don't believe that anyone, on either side of the argument, wants to have no input into Nutaku's choices and simply follow whatever they choose.

[mmayhem]

Regardless of my opinion on the specific content being censored, I believe it's healthy for consumers to regularly challenge companies on decisions they make (for both sides).

Forcing them to regularly consider the ramifications of their actions is healthy, and allows a more balanced consideration of their choices. Forcing them to take a clear stand and define their limits is much better for consumers, and by challenging them on harder to defend positions like these prevent them from superfluously skipping over or disregarding other content.

The biggest issue consumers have with companies is transparency, and Nutaku has consistently avoided taking a clear stance on censorship and frequently contradict themselves. Dragging these discussions/arguments to light is a good thing. Companies without clear values or ones that contradict their values tend to have the most morally suspect behavior, at no specific fault of the employees.

I don't believe that anyone, on either side of the argument, wants to have no input into Nutaku's choices and simply follow whatever they choose.


Whoops, was unregistered and that reply folded into another persons.

[nazrin992]

Has this issue brought up somewhere other than here and sana's blog for more exposure?

[sanahtlig]

Has this issue brought up somewhere other than here and sana's blog for more exposure?
LewdGamer may cover it. They contacted me and asked for some screenshots. I also posted it on the Kotaku in Action subreddit.

[AgentFakku]

wasn't going to jump in here, but I used to live in Canada, so Im used to localization and censorship

I like this guy's quote and I stand in the middle between extremes: pro censorship and then anti-censorship


Another game censored in Nutaku, nothing new there. With some japanese knowledge (come on, I'm pretty sure everyone has their good dose of hentai) you can just ignore the text and listen what they are saying. I'm not trying to defend nutaku here, but that's all they changed. At least, from what I've seen, the CG's are untouched, at diference of most of the games.

I agree with that Nutaku should say what content they censored/changed for legal reasons intead of say "all our games are uncensored" and then having the user complain about it,

I know from experience seeing the influence of journalism and western gamer views on Japanese games' localization is a huge clusterfuck of mixed reactions between fans and companies

Not blaming anyone. we probably won't see things change quickly because of views on what to censor and what not to is so inconsistent

Yeah, I think what Nutaku mean by "uncensored" was just no mosaic censorship. Yeah, they should have just said that and list any changes they made during localization

I don't mind censorship (like giving lolis breast implants, taking out details for rape and bestiality and gore) as long as I get to see dicks and pussies not pixelated

[Lag]

I'm just glad they didn't censor the art (at least that I'm unaware of, I hope... It was easy to tell in Osawari when they gave lolis huge breasts and pictures wouldn't match) or flatout remove the content like they used to do in Aigis long ago. That triggers me the most.

The dialog kinda makes me laugh with the censorship because it's like " She may be saying 'no! stop!', but I see 'yes, more!' ".
I'd rather they not, still. The vocal dialog is still there at least and a lot of people who play these games know enough words.

[sanahtlig]

The dialog kinda makes me laugh with the censorship because it's like " She may be saying 'no! stop!', but I see 'yes, more!' ".
I'd rather they not, still. The vocal dialog is still there at least and a lot of people who play these games know enough words.
I feel like the translators have failed at their job if I need to know Japanese to understand what's going on. And that's ignoring the subterfuge of a company censoring content without telling anyone--after promising they wouldn't do that anymore.

[Skulkraken]

...I thought the game was being handled by the original development team from Japan. Is that not the case?

[sanahtlig]

...I thought the game was being handled by the original development team from Japan. Is that not the case?
Any games hosted on Nutaku have to pass review at MindGeek / Nutaku's compliance department. Who actually makes the changes (the compliance department at MindGeek, a Nutaku team, the original developers, or some other third party) is information that is likely not made public. What's clear is that the edits in the censored scenes are of lower quality than the rest of the text, suggesting that the original translators and editors were not consulted.

[Kuremisago]

>People applauding Nutaku's censorship
Wow, I'm actually glad I stopped coming here now.

[Gronk877]

It's a sad state of affairs to be sure. Already spent money on the game not knowing this. Will have to reconsider for future purchases.

[scrubp]

Well I leveled Phoenix to 40 and yeah, she's obviously stating "NO DON'T" instead of "YES TAKE ME". Might not matter for anyone who views the H scenes but this sort of thing sort of forces me to outright ignore the text most of the time since I'm getting mixed signals from the voices and text. It's not a huge deal in the end but probably a giant turnoff for anyone fapping and can recognize by ear some Japanese.

[sniddy]

It's also....pretty forced

I mean why take this on if you're not gonna embrace it? It's like going to an orgy and expecting everyone to be dancing to crappy pop music

[nazrin992]

It's also....pretty forced

I mean why take this on if you're not gonna embrace it? It's like going to an orgy and expecting everyone to be dancing to crappy pop music

Because it's Nutaku. It is within their business venture and policy.

[AgentFakku]

It's also....pretty forced

I mean why take this on if you're not gonna embrace it? It's like going to an orgy and expecting everyone to be dancing to crappy pop music

pretty much any video game from Japan goes under a degree of localization

Steam censors MangaGamer

Nintendo games in USA

Xbox games in Japan

[sanahtlig]

pretty much any video game from Japan goes under a degree of localization
Except Nutaku is the only publisher/platform that censors the content they do, and for which there is no means to uncensor the content. No, Nutaku is quite unique in this regard.

[nazrin992]

I can confirm that Indra's tentacle scene is altered as well. Nutaku version has her being raped but enjoys afterwards whereas in Japanese(voice), she clearly doesn't enjoy it at all. She even mindbreaks and it clearly doesn't look consensual.

How contradictory.

Also, she was satiated. Or rather, it was supposed to be "it":rolleyes:

[Lag]

Well I leveled Phoenix to 40

I just read it now. My god, that was pure opposite day right there. I actually laughed out loud as I was reading it and listening to it. The guy's dialog didn't match their changes with that.
It had a Girl: "Yes, do it more!" Guy: "Shut up, I don't care if you hate it" type of funny blunder.

[Flaris]

It is remarkably distracting. I mean sure it'd be nice if there were a few more consensual scenes, but if there aren't then badly rewriting scenes isn't going to work. After watching enough anime or games with Japanese voice work, people pick up a vague understanding of what is being said. Having "no" rewritten as "yes" just makes the text completely worthless.

I suppose the laziness though is helpful in some ways. It seems like they don't do a lot with the non-voiced dialogue and are fine with keeping that clearly non-consensual. So easy enough to make it work by reading the non-voiced and simply listening to the voiced dialogue while ignoring the text. Workable, but annoying.

[Unregistered2]

I'll never understand the apologist attitude of those who defend censorship in any form. You're not doing anyone any favors. "Oh, but rape/pedophilia/bestiality." Fiction. Fiction, fiction, fiction. Learn the difference between reality and fiction, learn that these people don't exist, and learn that this hurts literally no one.

You've got this one guy talking about dying on a hill of fetishes, but he's the one choosing to die on a hill protecting people that don't exist thinking that people who do will actually care.

You can tell these people are not creators. They've never made an artistic endeavor that they've held dearly. And they've never had to defend anything they've made from others, no matter how harmless. These people disgust me. They're human trash without a shred of empathy, and I wish nothing but all the ills of the world upon them.

Now leave the rest of us to enjoy our own private choices and go back to whatever safe space you need to protect you from the fictional evils of the world.

Thank you, as always, to sanahtlig for challenging these decisions and working to keep consumers informed of the true nature of products they're potentially putting their money into. You do excellent work and we could never thank you enough for it.

[President Ramu]

They're human trash without a shred of empathy, and I wish nothing but all the ills of the world upon them.

HAHAHAHA you're adamantly defending child pornography and calling the other side devoid of empathy, what the fuck is even wrong with you.

[Unregistered]

It seems people have such a strong belief they aren't willing to look at any other reasoning. Ah, the age of PC SJWs.

Japan, the country that creates this so called content you call immorally wrong that supposedly promotes pedophilia and rape, they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world and then you get countries like the UK and the US that try to censor this stuff and they have multitudes more of that kind of stuff you'd think came straight out of a hentai. Strange how that works.

Also I find it pretty hilarious someone using a Rance avatar would up-vote you considering the game is full of rape. Such a contradictory.

Looking back at the reasoning Nutaku gave, it was a weak statement. Nutaku seems more or less afraid of the SJW ordeal as they haven't touched on content as heavy as this yet. Mangagamer for example has several raped themed games localized like Rance, Euphoria and the upcoming KuroInu and they don't have modifications towards their dialogue to my knowledge. Though with Nutaku's history of censorship with turning small breasts into watermelons, it's not a surprise they'd choose this route.

[VortexMagus]

Personally I'm fine with rape content but I understand Nutaku's decision to change the dialogue.

It's not some kind of immoral vs moral SJW decision, its just cold-blooded business sense - do I want even more controversial stuff in my already controversial website or not?

If I ran the company I may have done the same.

[sanahtlig]

Looking back at the reasoning Nutaku gave, it was a weak statement. Nutaku seems more or less afraid of the SJW ordeal as they haven't touched on content as heavy as this yet. Mangagamer for example has several raped themed games localized like Rance, Euphoria and the upcoming KuroInu and they don't have modifications towards their dialogue to my knowledge. Though with Nutaku's history of censorship with turning small breasts into watermelons, it's not a surprise they'd choose this route.
I think that Nutaku is subject to restrictions and pressures that other eroge publishers are not, or at least not to the same extent. When they talk about restrictions imposed on them by content reviewers and fines for non-compliance, I believe they are telling the truth. I don't believe they are telling the full truth, either because it would be unflattering or because it would welcome the wrath of higher-ups or partners. Other publishers may be similarly holding their cards close to their chests. There's a sort of 'Fight Club' mentality surrounding the issue, and getting useful information is very difficult. I've been repeatedly told, by Nutaku and others, that Nutaku will not be transparent about censorship because it would invite unwanted scrutiny, both by users and their financial partners.

Also useful to remember is that Nutaku is part of MindGeek, which has established content guidelines as one of the biggest porn distributors in the world. If corporate (MindGeek) doesn't sign off on a given game, the game doesn't get released, regardless of Nutaku's sentiments on the matter.

[nazrin992]

Personally I'm fine with rape content but I understand Nutaku's decision to change the dialogue.

It's not some kind of immoral vs moral SJW decision, its just cold-blooded business sense - do I want even more controversial stuff in my already controversial website or not?

If I ran the company I may have done the same.
If they din't want controversial stuffs, they might as well do games like the Poker shit, Pussy Saga and Moist something game because those games fits their... region I suppose.

They know what they are getting into the moment they put games like Aigis, FKG and KHP in their site.

[President Ramu]

If they din't want controversial stuffs, they might as well do games like the Poker shit, Pussy Saga and Moist something game because those games fits their... region I suppose.

They know what they are getting into the moment they put games like Aigis, FKG and KHP in their site.

If it's a choice between censored game and no game, I'm grateful to them for releasing the game. The sort of infrastructure this sort of thing takes to set up is not minor, and it seems absurd to me that people don't seem to realize that here.

As a large company you can't go painting a target on your back putting out objectionable content in regions that are against it. While I'm not gung-ho for All of the Censorships All of the Time, the actual business concerns here being handwaved by the posters here like they would totally do it better is completely absurd.

You want to do it better? By all means, go to it. I don't fault sanahtlig(sp) for recording it, but to act like it's a grand conspiracy and not just them trying to do business is the height of foolishness.

[sanahtlig]

I don't fault sanahtlig(sp) for recording it, but to act like it's a grand conspiracy and not just them trying to do business is the height of foolishness.
Companies like NISA announce when they make alterations to a game to achieve a given rating. Don't you find it odd that Nutaku--a company which promotes its platform as an uncensored alternative to Steam--doesn't do this?

[President Ramu]

Companies like NISA announce when they make alterations to a game to achieve a given rating. Don't you find it odd that Nutaku--a company which promotes its platform as an uncensored alternative to Steam--doesn't do this?

Would you mind linking me to a comparable (content-wise) example? I fully believe you, I'm just not familiar.

[sanahtlig]

Would you mind linking me to a comparable (content-wise) example? I fully believe you, I'm just not familiar.

FOUR CHANGES TO CRIMINAL GIRLS 2: PARTY FAVORS (http://www.nisamerica.com/blog/CG2/)
OFFICIAL POST ABOUT SHINY DAYS (http://discuss.jastusa.com/discussion/255017/official-post-about-shiny-days/p1)

[President Ramu]

While the general concept of consent is indeed well communicated there, it doesn't touch on the beastiality or pedophilia angles, yes? That seems a lot more difficult to tidy up in a public blog post.

[sanahtlig]

While the general concept of consent is indeed well communicated there, it doesn't touch on the beastiality or pedophilia angles, yes? That seems a lot more difficult to tidy up in a public blog post.
Peter Payne commented further, as did other project members. You can read further about it in my article.

Why I endorse JAST’s censorship of Shiny Days (http://sanahtlig.blogspot.com/2015/07/why-i-endorse-jasts-censorship-of-shiny-days.html)

Peter Payne also did a similar post about Starless, which contained bestiality. I didn't cover that one specifically but I'm sure you can find more info on it if you look around.

[nazrin992]

NISA

Meanwhile, PQube got away with some games(age is minor thing and doesn't really affect anything) and SK is untouched in Steam. IF have begun to not alter their own games.

Pssh, sana also have a pictures of Nutaku games being censored but Nutaku have took it down(unless there are more links about them?).

I really don't know how those games can promote pedophilia when we guys are simply aroused by pictures with voices:rolleyes:

Regardless, Nutaku is not really uncensored but they are actually unmosaiced.


If it's a choice between censored game and no game, I'm grateful to them for releasing the game. The sort of infrastructure this sort of thing takes to set up is not minor, and it seems absurd to me that people don't seem to realize that here.

As a large company you can't go painting a target on your back putting out objectionable content in regions that are against it. While I'm not gung-ho for All of the Censorships All of the Time, the actual business concerns here being handwaved by the posters here like they would totally do it better is completely absurd.

Yeah, I'm grateful for English(beg to differ...) release but that is probably it. With this, I know enough to simply the DMM version.

Also, you do realize that Nutaku won't get much money by pissing off fanbase yes? They need whales to keep the game alive and many are simply turned off by the altered contents to give them money.

I think controversy has its own benefit. Like getting more attention to people who wants to spend their money. It is actually a good marketing strategy. Nutaku is just too afraid of people complain about contents.

Even in videogame industry, news like getting a game content unaltered is a good thing with how much companies nowadays censored their games for kiddy and edgy Westerners who can't sexual content and feminists/SJWs who can't stand anything better than their echo chamber.

So really, Nutaku doing this business decision is not good for their company image. Not that their image is good to begin with:rolleyes:

[sanahtlig]

sana also have a pictures of Nutaku games being censored but Nutaku have took it down(unless there are more links about them?).
The Osawari gallery is gone, but I re-uploaded the Girls Kingdom gallery. Nutaku refused to withdraw the DMCA on the initial Girls Kingdom gallery, but Nutaku didn't try to DMCA the second upload. It's also somewhat relevant that a rogue Nutaku employee banned me from their Discord channel for a short while, probably because I was talking about the censorship or criticizing the game's management. When the other people in the channel complained, the admin removed the ban and claimed no authorized person had initiated it.

Nutaku is all sorts of shady. >.>;

[Aidoru]

Meanwhile, PQube got away with some games(age is minor thing and doesn't really affect anything) and SK is untouched in Steam. IF have begun to not alter their own games.

IF/CH stated 2 years ago that if they have to censor their game, they won't localize them in the first place. Probably part of why they broke up with NISA. This was back during the Dead or Alive 3 crap that happened because of SJWs.

[nazrin992]

Nutaku is always shady. Glad to see Nutaku is still classic;) Being a "large business company" and all.:rolleyes:


IF/CH stated 2 years ago that if they have to censor their game, they won't localize them in the first place. Probably why they broke up with NISA in the first place. This was back during the Dead or Alive 3 crap that happened because of SJWs.
Yeah, and made IFI. IF doesn't seem to regret it. Also, the NISA/IF breakup happened way before that, something happened between NIS and IF that causes much of NIS's staff leaving for IF/CH and IF publish their own NA games under IFI label. Causing NISA to lose the license. Terrible blow along with losing Gust IPs due to KT bought Gust.

As long as KT doesn't do Esty Dee, I'm okay with it. Go to hell, NISA.

SJWs and feminists are corrupting the industry. Companies who choose to cater and pander for them are idiots.

[Unregistered]

eh... I dont wanna remember Anita Sarkeesian

fucking scared the Jap publishers like DOA from releasing their games in the west if they have to censor it

[Skulkraken]

I think that Nutaku is subject to restrictions and pressures that other eroge publishers are not, or at least not to the same extent. When they talk about restrictions imposed on them by content reviewers and fines for non-compliance, I believe they are telling the truth. I don't believe they are telling the full truth, either because it would be unflattering or because it would welcome the wrath of higher-ups or partners. Other publishers may be similarly holding their cards close to their chests. There's a sort of 'Fight Club' mentality surrounding the issue, and getting useful information is very difficult. I've been repeatedly told, by Nutaku and others, that Nutaku will not be transparent about censorship because it would invite unwanted scrutiny, both by users and their financial partners.

Also useful to remember is that Nutaku is part of MindGeek, which has established content guidelines as one of the biggest porn distributors in the world. If corporate (MindGeek) doesn't sign off on a given game, the game doesn't get released, regardless of Nutaku's sentiments on the matter.

In your estimation, how much of this issue is likely to be caused by MindGeek's oversight over Nutaku? Do you feel that being tied to the Western pornography industry is limiting what the company is allowed to do with its games?

Oh, and thanks for writing that article. It was interesting to read.

[sanahtlig]

In your estimation, how much of this issue is likely to be caused by MindGeek's oversight over Nutaku? Do you feel that being tied to the Western pornography industry is limiting what the company is allowed to do with its games?
I'm glad you liked the article.

I definitely feel that Nutaku's ties to the Western porn industry define its entire business. These ties are both Nutaku's strength and its weakness, allowing it to reach a greater audience than it would otherwise, yet giving them less freedom to navigate cultural issues like this.

It's still not clear where MindGeek's content restrictions end and payment processor restrictions begin, and how regional law influences both of these. Nutaku may be forced to use certain payment processors and/or banks that MindGeek uses or that do business in Canada, further limiting their freedom of action. I don't think Nutaku is being fully transparent about what options are open to them and what options are closed, much like a poker player keeping their cards close to their chest.

What I do have is this statement from Nutaku, which I was given permission to quote:

While I appreciate your offer to conduct a formal interview regarding Nutaku’s [position] with [respect to] censorship, this is not exactly an area where it is advisable for us to bring undue amounts of attention to ourselves. Firstly due to the fact that by taking a strong public stance on this issue we invite greater oversight from the powers that be (you can read NutakuDev’s comment to that effect on Harem Battle Club). Secondly, we don’t particularly want Nutaku to be considered synonymous with censorship, regardless of whether we have a choice in it.

[nazrin992]

Sorry. Currently in mobile. Just wanted to say this:

we don’t particularly want Nutaku to be considered synonymous with censorship

A wee bit too late for you, NutakuLad due to Nutaku revert back censoring new games like KamiPro.

The other synonyms you can't get away is shady and shitty customer service. The lack of professionalism in your staffs are discerning as well.

You were in the right direction. One step forward, two steps back.

[sniddy]

The whole that's not a Dolphin it's a merman....had me in stitches

And no, no it's not rape honest...

4059

Treating is comedy instead of the tragedy it is helps, a little.

[Skulkraken]

A couple weeks ago, someone posted in another thread that the DMM version changed over to having vanilla as the majority of its H-scenes instead of NTR/rape.

Given the way the game was advertised during pre-registration, it seems possible that the suits in Mindgeek greenlit the game based on the DMM version's current contents, thinking it was mostly vanilla, only to slam the PANIC button on Nutaku as the launch approached when they realized that no, the game didn't start out as the vanilla-filled paradise they thought it would be.

[sanahtlig]

A couple weeks ago, someone posted in another thread that the DMM version changed over to having vanilla as the majority of its H-scenes instead of NTR/rape.

Given the way the game was advertised during pre-registration, it seems possible that the suits in Mindgeek greenlit the game based on the DMM version's current contents, thinking it was mostly vanilla, only to slam the PANIC button on Nutaku as the launch approached when they realized that no, the game didn't start out as the vanilla-filled paradise they thought it would be.
Obviously Nutaku wouldn't advertise a game as containing the types of content it censors (remember, they claim they censor due to third-party pressure, and they don't want these third-parties to find out that even vestiges of this content remain in the game). No, more likely DMM demanded that Nutaku release this game, and Nutaku had to work with what it was given.

[Skulkraken]

Obviously Nutaku wouldn't advertise a game as containing the types of content it censors (remember, they claim they censor due to third-party pressure, and they don't want these third-parties to find out that even vestiges of this content remain in the game). No, more likely DMM demanded that Nutaku release this game, and Nutaku had to work with what it was given.

Wait, what? Seriously? o.O

I was aware that DMM and Nutaku have a business relationship that favors DMM, but I didn't know that it was *that* lopsided. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place...

[sanahtlig]

Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place...
Kamihime Project is the #1 game on DMM last I checked. I'm sure Nutaku was all too happy to do whatever it took to get it in their store. One-sided relationship or not, Nutaku does benefit. But if the rumors are true that the game is managed by DMM directly and not Nutaku (same as Aigis on release--the period of highest revenue), you can see how DMM monopolizes the profits from its most successful games while letting Nutaku manage the lower-tier titles or titles that are past their prime.

[scrubp]

If anyone hasn't noticed, Garuda's scene was also hit with the lines change. It really bothers me to read something like "Ram your dick hard into me!!" when she is obviously expressing apprehension and disgust and saying the complete opposite.

[sanahtlig]

I'm adding a catalogue of censored scenes to the first post. If you see a scene that's not in the list yet, post about it in this thread.

[nazrin992]

I think Rosen also got hit with line changes.

Indra is most apparent as well. Her scene on latter half screams alterations.

[sanahtlig]

I think Rosen also got hit with line changes.
Who is "Rosen"?

[Mattress]

Who is "Rosen"?

Rosenkreuz, I guess.

[NoIDs]

Quality is what matters, censored or not, these games like nearly all retail games are pimped/whored out by various industries to fans/users/players/people for recreation, fictional recreation, and are seldom a creation of one "artist" or "artistic group" that would themselves take umbrage at any censoring, but instead a commercial effort that seeks a profitable franchise.

I think this thread is a pure attempt to hype the OP's blog content and himself, whether that has any good effect on game content is the real point, i don't mind or see much improvement from his "consumer advocacy" imho, but wtf do i know, i just hope it does improve some game's fictional quality.

[sanahtlig]

Quality is what matters
What is "quality"?

[sniddy]

TBH if they'd stayed truer to the original theme I'd be more interested to see where they take it - so no it's a real issue, in part because they've done and in part because it's been done so badly. Couple that with a high time commitment and I've decided I don't want to support this game - in fact I'm not gonna bother coming back onto the forums - so that's a potential paying customer lost as I've sunk probably near $100 into FKG over the near year I've been playing....minnow level support but, how many people like me have left or will leave?

[Aidoru]

What is "quality"?

I didn't mean to thank him for his post so you can ignore that, misclicked.

His usage of 'quality' may as well be changed to 'my opinion'.

Censored games come out all the time and most people don't have many options. Unless you can read Japanese, you are either forced to not buy/play it or play the shitty censored version. No body wants a game they're looking forward to censored, no matter how little it is. If the developers/localizers wanted it to be a properly profitable series in the first place, they wouldn't be doing the opposite of what the consumers want.

[AgentFakku]

Personally, I don't see DMM games being better other than having more benefits than Nutaku

eh, I could be wrong. Im not a smart guy to begin with

I don't know

A) play DMM in the first place
B) it's also censored, too with mosaic pixelation - that's why I play Nutaku games - both Nutaku and DMM are censored in some way, just pick wut you preferred
C) pay for DMM games if I actually get into it
D) read Japanese

I'm not going to post more in this thread since I dislike the OP creator for the reasons NOIDs mention personally no offense, I hate folks who promote their blogs in another forum site for user traffic (their blog/social media isn't enuff to attract readers on their own and be all preachy at the same time especially w/ censorship (notice a lot of ass kissing w/ the anons which seem fishy as hell)

and causing everyone gets toxic to each other instead of accepting people have different strokes when it comes to it

who knows maybe, Nutaku or another company will take over Nutaku and deliver "uncensored games" or actually mention what's uncensored

I doubt it since businesses and laws are really complicated I guess

this comes from a dude who used to live in Canada where Hentai and porn are really restricted when you come into the country

wut can you do? fans, laws, businesses don't mix well

Edit:

I'm not against folks who support or not support censorship

I just hate folks like sanahtlig profiting from promoting his shit in other forum sites so he can traffic for his blogs to make $ off folks

[Mimea]

Quality is what matters, censored or not

And this post actually brought me from lurkerdom to creating a handle so I can comment non-anon.

Yes, quality matters, and that's why censorship matters as well. Nutaku said they would inform their customers if a title was censored. They did not with Kamihime. To make matters worse, the censorship is very sloppy and hamhanded. It's like duct taping a broken chair leg and then trying to sell that chair as new with the big, glaring silvery strip there. The very least they could have done was be upfront about it, then do it well. So, to keep on with the analogy, the quality of the fix affects the quality of the whole. I don't mind if something is fixed well (screws, woodglue, seamless repairs), but I say nay to duct tape.

If you're going to censor, for whatever reason, be up front about it. Don't try and pretend it isn't there. Those who know Japanese WILL call the company out on it.

[jazz154]

Might as well add the scenes that I've seen censored:
Second Cronus scene
Astaroth have about 2 lines that seem out of place
Nergal's last line in her scene.

[sanahtlig]

notice a lot of ass kissing w/ the anons which seem fishy as hell
Let's examine this, which seems to be an accusation that I'm posting anonymously to create an illusion of support for this. This is essentially saying, "There's *no way* that this many people could hold a view I disagree with. The support must be fabricated." Can't you see the folly of such a claim? What is this based on, other than faith that you're right, and everyone agrees you're right? Does this line up with the number of forum regulars who've spoken out against this thread vs. those who've showed support? I can't see such claims as anything other than mean-spirited spite intended to put down someone else. Adding "personally no offense" doesn't make a personal attack inoffensive. You're calling me out, implying that I'm doing something shady--with no basis whatsoever--and then trying to appear that you're being evenhanded. Sorry, you're not being evenhanded or inoffensive. You're just being a hypocrite.


and causing everyone gets toxic to each other instead of accepting people have different strokes when it comes to it
That's all you. Not me. I set out to conduct this thread without engaging in personal attacks, but that doesn't excuse you to say whatever you want. Stay on topic and avoid the personal attacks. Thanks.

As for where the so-called stream of anons is coming from, the thread was linked on 4chan (not by me :rolleyes:). They hate censorship and had their fun mocking some of the posters in this thread. I also linked the thread on my Twitter account before I posted the article on my blog. So there you go. There's nothing 'shady' going on here. It just so happens that more people care more than you thought. Where I come from, those who support censorship are the outliers, not those who oppose it.

[jazz154]

I've got one more.

Satan second scene: Standard, "Stop" being replaced by "More" and possibly more.

[Renari]

The beginning of this thread had a really negative connotation, the issue is that removing something despite the negative outlook on that thing is wrong.

Here's an example, lets say x character is raped by a noble in the game. Later on in the story they despise nobles and are always rude and offensive to them. Given the edits that we received there is then a loss of depth for that character, because they now have no reason to hate nobles and it seemed like they previously loved them. Writing should not always be morally right, if everything was morally right then there would never be any villains that you feel disdain for. Furthermore there is no limit to how far you could potentially push this, if you try to remove everything that is morally wrong somewhere then you end up with nothing left.

- - - Updated - - -

Van Helsing can be added to the list.

[Unregistered]

Perun opening scene is heavily censored, she keeps contradicting herself.
Her last line when she actually gets fucked also seems to be censored.

This one doesnt related to the topic but she also starts with cum already on her body

[Biodeamon]

I would be fine with one or two but alot of the scenes in this game are in pretty poor taste. I've seen somebody already make reference to Diablos's "daddy issues" which is pretty questionable, but it seems tha much of the scenes seem to rely on rape (and not just ones where consent is questionable with girls just yelling "no", but these scenes are quite uncompromisingly rape what with many of the girls ending up either drugged or restrained.).

I mean it's one thing to attempt to branch out to different tastes, but I have to see more than two scenes in which it was consensual.

[Renari]

I would be fine with one or two but alot of the scenes in this game are in pretty poor taste. I've seen somebody already make reference to Diablos's "daddy issues" which is pretty questionable, but it seems tha much of the scenes seem to rely on rape (and not just ones where consent is questionable with girls just yelling "no", but these scenes are quite uncompromisingly rape what with many of the girls ending up either drugged or restrained.).

I mean it's one thing to attempt to branch out to different tastes, but I have to see more than two scenes in which it was consensual.

One's I've found:
Nike
Hermes
Amon
Belobog
Typhon
Diabolos
Thunderbird
Apocalypse
Lancelot
Arthur
Vivian



There was probably a few more, but I was unsure about them since I don't recall their scenes.

[Problematic]

Has no one else noted just how screwed up it is that the women are very obviously captured against their will, but then start begging for the D once things start going in that direction? I find that much more disturbing and misogynistic than actual rape content where the girl is unwilling. >.>

[Aidoru]

Has no one else noted just how screwed up it is that the women are very obviously captured against their will, but then start begging for the D once things start going in that direction? I find that much more disturbing and misogynistic than actual rape content where the girl is unwilling. >.>

That's like 90% of rape hentai.

[BlackMarch]

Wtf is wrong with this game, I spend time grinding and leveling up my waifus but ended getting raped by old guys, tentacles and some villain.... I also hate the gacha splitting into 3 different types after the hard time getting some jewels iI can only get a Rare weak Eidolon or sometimes a weapon. Also some (IDK the rest cause I never saw it) the protag only fuck some loli while those good girls get raped. Total disappointment.

[Unregistered]

Wtf is wrong with this game, I spend time grinding and leveling up my waifus but ended getting raped by old guys, tentacles and some villain.... I also hate the gacha splitting into 3 different types after the hard time getting some jewels iI can only get a Rare weak Eidolon or sometimes a weapon. Also some (IDK the rest cause I never saw it) the protag only fuck some loli while those good girls get raped. Total disappointment.

Apparently the artist who is head of Kamehime is a massive cuck (like, literally, not as an insult), hence why there's so many scenes like that.

[Czechern]

are the scenes going to be replaced right after the update or are we gonna have to wait a bit post-update? and to be clear im not a fan of the rape stuff, i like when i see consent going on.

[ZedWulf]

If you mean replaced w/Vanilla that literally never happens. All the old characters and scenes will remain. The only difference is that we get more non-rape non-NTR scenes in JP. (And i honestly can't even confirm this. The scenes at least don't look like rape but they could still be "NTR", not that I consider the current scenes as NTR seeing as most of the girls don't like the MC in the first place) The rape/NTR is still their just less often.

[JerkopusTheFirst]

Finnaly someone who confirmed I wasn't crazy when I thought something was off in the translation

[SomeoneLikeYou]

I just want some vanilla :(, how can i see my girl being raped by another

[SomeoneLikeYou]

Anyone know any legendary soul who have rape scene?

[Kitty]

Anyone know any legendary soul who have rape scene?

Arc and Siegfried