First pick unit choice

[Lala]

Hello, Can someone tell me wich account i should start with please? I think Sophie+Matsu is best but idk.. as a noob Deine seems most useful for now but im afraid to regret it later. Or do i keep rerolling for Nanaly, Aisha, Olivie, Sybilla?

Pick:
1.Sophie+Matsurika+Marius
2.Deine
3.Despara

Thanks in advance, ive read a lot of posts but would really appreciate your opinion

[Jay Rich]

Hello, Can someone tell me wich account i should start with please? I think Sophie+Matsu is best but idk.. as a noob Deine seems most useful for now but im afraid to regret it later. Or do i keep rerolling for Nanaly, Aisha, Olivie, Sybilla?

Pick:
1.Sophie+Matsurika+Marius
2.Deine
3.Despara

Thanks in advance, ive read a lot of posts but would really appreciate your opinion

Now I have never experienced Sophie, Deine or Despara but can tell you Sybilla and Nanaly are great units to have. Out of the three choices you have I would personally go for 1. It has more units and I have heard good thinks about Sophie being really strong, I am sure there will be other members here who will go into greater detail than I.

Deine out of your Heavy Armor units packs the biggest punch out of them and makes for a good hard hitting defense unit. As for Despara she is a great witch but I don't feel I have ever been in a situation that Cloris couldn't handle. As some would say though just go with your gut feeling and choose your Waifu.

[lolix]

well...to be fair , not sure... Sophie is great at what shes doing , but she is just a rod/ganker in the end. Deine is a heavy , therefore more general use , and she can also duel because of her offense....

On a sidenote , i dont like witches that much....with the exception of despara ofc. She has insane magic dps for a cheap to deploy witch.



It's honestly more of a what you like more. The most obvious choice would be to go for the most general use unit (which in this case is deine - but because of her cost , u will most likely end up using bernice more often anyway)


Honestly , dunno what i'd do.....and also dunno how u want to play the game after your start. Do you plan on investing real money ? Then it doesn't matter as much , since you will have great units anyway. You want to go freemium ? I'd keep rolling for something better (as you pointed out , princesses are really good to start an account with. Even the plat ones. Id even argue that something like sherry would be even better then a black princess for a freemium). In the end it's up to you. If u're tired of rerolling , id advice to try to play a bit on all 3 and decide which is better for your playstyle...




EDIT : im guessing you are talking about matsuri - the black advance guard as well. Forgot to mention her. She is a black so she has good stats for her class , and an instant deploy skill , but dunno.....i'd honestly rather have uzume then her. Don't get me wrong , she has a really insane buff , but it's for melee units alone. Considering most heavy dps usually comes from range units , i'd rather take the 5% to all from uzume....especially since that 5% hp/life is lost on ranged units anyway most of the times. Which is why i value uzume over matsuri...

[Ramazan]

Hello, Can someone tell me wich account i should start with please? I think Sophie+Matsu is best but idk.. as a noob Deine seems most useful for now but im afraid to regret it later. Or do i keep rerolling for Nanaly, Aisha, Olivie, Sybilla?

Pick:
1.Sophie+Matsurika+Marius
2.Deine
3.Despara

Thanks in advance, ive read a lot of posts but would really appreciate your opinion

Would go with 1, matsuri is not the best black for sure but more blacks=always better isnt it o_O at least first one gonna have less troubles than others for sure.

[Lala]

Thank you all for the answers, mych appreciated, im going to keep rolling for a while then and if i grow tired i will go with Sophie and Matsu (plus Sophie is a cutie).

[kayfabe]

well...to be fair , not sure... Sophie is great at what shes doing , but she is just a rod/ganker in the end. Deine is a heavy , therefore more general use , and she can also duel because of her offense....

I don't get why you think heavies see so much more use than other units. Does Gellius have incriminating pictures of you or something? Anyway, the biggest thing that gives me pause about recommending Sophie+Matsu over Deine is that you really want to skill up Sophie to get serious use out of her and new players obviously don't have a fleet of Niels and rainbow fairies to throw in her direction. Otherwise Sophie is just generically good and fits into compositions pretty easily--worst case scenario she provides a dab of sustain and ganks so hard that it turns into wave clear. :P

[lolix]

well , i tend to use heavies quite a bit. A lot more then i use gankers or duelists. At times i trow bernice into a boss or whatever even if a duelist would be able to do the same job easily.


That usually frees slots into my main team for other stuff...like more ranged dps (both my accounts were blessed with good ranged units , with nanaly or anelia). I also like to have preatty heavy magic dps ,so i tend to run noel (mostly for AW bonus) , odette as my primarry mage , and solano as well.





Ofc , this is my playstyle so obviously its only just a way to play this game. Doesn't mean that others are wrong. I'm just talking from my own perspective. That being said , deine can actually fit a duelist/ganker role vs bosses with her instant deploy skill and inate tankiness as well....So dunno , it seems more general use then a unit that requires timing and relies 100% on her skill....

[Tenhou]

Definitely depends on how you play. I barely use my heavies unless i need some very serious tanking/blocking. Most of the time my sodiers will do or some duelists. But more often than not, i won't use a heavy. If i do, most likely i will use Deine though. Most heavies are just... slow at killing and i prefer defeating things fast so i have no need to worry about handling that PLUS whatever comes next.

[kayfabe]

So dunno , it seems more general use then a unit that requires timing and relies 100% on her skill....

You might be surprised by how much her healing can factor into things with current content. She's particularly nice with melee heavy comps since her full map sustain makes it easier to stick duelists into lanes that would otherwise be inefficient to offer healing coverage to. Plus, you know, she smashes things. It's a lot easier to get by on her sustain once you factor in that she's going to slap the shit out of some liches or whatever.

With all of that said, Deine isn't bad either, so it ain't like I'm hating. I just doubt that in the long term I would rather have her than Sophie, Matsuri AND Marius. I mean, yeah, Matsuri isn't a Uzume replacement, but it's not like she's utterly useless, either. For one thing, she still has black level affection bonuses and her skill increases the number of units she can hit by one over a long duration, so unlike other Advance Guards she doesn't have to wait until Awakening to be a multi-hitter. She hits the ground as more or less a heavily discounted samurai and overall you could do worse than that with your second or third drop.

[Ramazan]

SU really isnt a problem. Sophie is a better carry than deine for sure, unless your team has decent healers&mages to work with her.

[lolix]

i actually have marius. He's rotting in my barack because , while he has good stats (for being an elf) , he's also got worse AW bonus then noel , and i already have an awakened mage. I was actually thinking of replacing odette with him , but its a bit of an expensive investment for a more expensive , lesser damage mage with 35 extra range ad the ability to heal at times.


Sure , extra range IS rather good , but not enough to justify the investment right now...maybe in the future.



But sure , i can see how he can be a good unit on a newer account

[Ramazan]

i actually have marius. He's rotting in my barack because , while he has good stats (for being an elf) , he's also got worse AW bonus then noel , and i already have an awakened mage. I was actually thinking of replacing odette with him , but its a bit of an expensive investment for a more expensive , lesser damage mage with 35 extra range ad the ability to heal at times.


Sure , extra range IS rather good , but not enough to justify the investment right now...maybe in the future.



But sure , i can see how he can be a good unit on a newer account

Lmao. Ingame boosts were always more priority for me than the drop rate stuff. Also bishops have more attack less speed compared to mages iirc, while marius also have the same speed thx to being elf...

[lolix]

Lmao. Ingame boosts were always more priority for me than the drop rate stuff. Also bishops have more attack less speed compared to mages iirc, while marius also have the same speed thx to being elf...

Not sure what is there to laugh seeing that i said before , i am going to replace odette in the future , just not right now. On top of already having plenty aoe magic dps (maxed noel , odette , solano , 2 max cc-ed gold mages as well) , Marius will still be a more expensive to deploy option then an already pretty expensive mage (odette). He also has less damage.


Sure , extra range IS a good stat , but the investment is not worth for me for the moment.

And drop rate boosters are something i personally like.

[kayfabe]

Mages and bishops are a bit weird in the sense that they're so prone to overkill and attack so slowly that I evaluate them based a bit less on small differences in dps and a bit more on whether those differences are enough to change them to 1 or 2 shotting critters that have common trash wave hit point totals like 500, 1,000, and 1,500 so I have a better idea what kinda dinky stuff waves they can usually handle by themselves without having many leakers between shots. For example, I don't like Marius that much more than Noel--his range is pretty cool but if you're using a mincost Noel instead of a full cost Marius I would completely understand--but I like them both quite a bit more than Barbastroff or Cyrus because with Prince buff factored in either of them can 2 shot the 1,500 hp critters that are so common in this game. Sasha, Odette and Garania I have off roughly in their own tier above them because they're more durable--don't laugh, it's handy on maps with aoe, poison or both--and even Garania can just barely hit 900 damage after Prince buff which lets her 1 one shot purple goblin kings while also having that huge splash range during skill in her back pocket. Sasha and Odette both hit harder than Garania (and in Sasha's cases a bit faster) but amusingly the difference is rarely big enough to matter very much unless you also have an AW Garania buffing them in the first place. I won't talk about Estelle because she's Estelle.

[Lala]

So.. im rolling for Syb since she's boosted and ended up with Grace and Estelle on same account, so now I have yet a new dilemma.. should i keep rolling for Syb or are these 2 worth stoping here?

[lolix]

depends simply on how deep your pockets are. As a rule of thumb , rolling for blacks (3% chance) is not the best ideea , but if u have the money to trow at them , sure....why not ?

[Lala]

I didnt mean Syb as an addition but as a trade off for the 2 others

[kayfabe]

You could make an argument that either of those two individually are better than Syb.

[lolix]

oh...u meant account rolling. If that's the case , yes , estelle and grace are really good individually. Both on the same account is insanely good , more so then having sybilla. Hell , estelle alone is a huge dpser and buffer for your team


Add grace to that , which is another huge dps source AND another buffer for your team , and you have the makings of a really storng account

[Lala]

Yes rollings, thanks for all the answers, guess my quest is over and im really starting then :)

[abcd92302]

Minerva for sure

[lolix]

Minerva for sure

errr...what ?

[slyyr]

I rolled Sophie early and she is near useless for a long time as a starting player. But when she gets awakened - wow! She will be useful later as a very strong lightning rod, hard multiple hitting ganker and her passive heal is handy on poison and desert maps. That said she is not vital all the time.

If you want something to help from the start Despara is excellent. I had one on a previous account and as a main witch she's nuts. I picked up Despara recently and have her at 50CC80 and she outperforms awakened L50 platinum witches. I also have Adele whose Awakened ability is nuts but if I didn't Despara would be my main witch.

In the end having any black early on is good based on raw stats alone. I wouldn't waste time rolling and just pick one of the above.