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Help Me
06-11-2017, 09:57 AM
Hello guys, should i start playing this game on nutaku?
I spend thousands of dollars on Idol Wars Z to get canceled
How active is people on this game?
Should i play on DMM?
Can i be a whale on this game and dont regret?

Ty for help~

Hentaika
06-11-2017, 10:20 AM
Well, kamihime is one of the most active projects on nutaku currently, you can often see it on number 1 place and it's barely ever outside of top 3.

Starting out right now means you are missing quite a lot of past events, some of which won't be repeated. Spending money on this game is very random - you may end up with nothing good even if you spend 1k $...

People usually reroll the account to get decent starting kamihime. After that it may be worth it to donate.. but if you don't get 1-2 SSR kamihime from your 6k starter crystals - just reset.
If you want tips on good kamihime to reroll to, then it's: Sol, Amaterasu, if you got sol then any light SSR kamihime is good to have as well.

sanahtlig
06-11-2017, 10:24 AM
The game has been consistently ranked highly on both Nutaku and DMM. Nutaku has run multiple rewards campaigns based on good performance. In addition, the game appears to be going strong in Japan with regular content updates. KamiPro is essentially the new Aigis. As far as stability goes, it likely doesn't get any better than this for Nutaku ero browser games.

Ironically, that success hasn't been mirrored on this site, as the game doesn't even have a developed English wiki. If you'd like some further personalized advice, contact me on Twitter (https://twitter.com/sanahtlig) or the unofficial Kamihime Project Discord (https://discord.gg/7BjHCRG) and I'd be happy to share my knowledge. I'm one of the more active users here and I specialize in analysis and theorycrafting.

HoroBoro
06-11-2017, 10:42 AM
It has to be illegal for Nutaku to take off games after people spend thousands on them without any kind of refund. Even if they don't produce the games, they host them. I suspect they only take off the less popular games only because people don't make a fuss about that. If they take off Kamihime or Aigis, I suspect they'll shortly have a class action at their door. Digital property rights are real, and if hundreds of dollars x thousands of people are involved, it is a big liability for Nutaku to just axe it.

sanahtlig
06-11-2017, 10:47 AM
It has to be illegal for Nutaku to take off games after people spend thousands on them without any kind of refund. Even if they don't produce the games, they host them. I suspect they only take off the less popular games only because people don't make a fuss about that. If they take off Kamihime or Aigis, I suspect they'll shortly have a class action at their door. Digital property rights are real, and if hundreds of dollars x thousands of people are involved, it is a big liability for Nutaku to just axe it.
Nope. You're paying for gameplay incentives, not content. They have no actual obligation to continue hosting the game, especially if they give notice that the game will be taken down. Realize that there's far more popular 'free-to-play' and subscription games that have been taken down in the past. How many lawsuits have you heard about that over that? 'False advertising' is likely the only related infringement you could pin them on, and that only occurs if they renege on a claim. Did Nutaku ever promise to host a game for a specific timeframe? I don't think so.

AutoCrimson
06-11-2017, 02:39 PM
It has to be illegal for Nutaku to take off games after people spend thousands

Did Nutaku employer come to your house and forced you to spend 'dis thousands?
If the answer is "No" - then why you spend those thousands?

HoroBoro
06-11-2017, 07:12 PM
Nope. You're paying for gameplay incentives, not content. They have no actual obligation to continue hosting the game, especially if they give notice that the game will be taken down. Realize that there's far more popular 'free-to-play' and subscription games that have been taken down in the past. How many lawsuits have you heard about that over that? 'False advertising' is likely the only related infringement you could pin them on, and that only occurs if they renege on a claim. Did Nutaku ever promise to host a game for a specific timeframe? I don't think so.

I find it disturbing, that consumers of video games are so often willing to give up their rights to property that they paid for without a fight.

True, there are popular 'free-to-play' and subscription games that have been taken down in the past without people fighting. But if you spend money on google play, you get a full refund if you ask for it. As for servers closing, some companies give a refund some don't. I'm not going to do the legal research, but just some things on the top of my head and a quick google:

Bragg v. Linden Lab says items purchased purchased in game can be subject to property rights.
Specht v. Netscape Communications Corp - I didn't see any clickwrap when I entered the game, and did not enter into any contract where I give them money for services.
Bassett v. Elec. Arts, Inc. - though EA had an arbitration clause so the class action didn't pick up steam.

This is new stuff. The law isn't black and white.

sanahtlig
06-11-2017, 07:50 PM
Bragg v. Linden Lab says items purchased purchased in game can be subject to property rights.
In these games, you typically purchase Nutaku Gold, which is then redeemed for an item (usually a Gatcha ticket), which then randomly awards you something. Nutaku could say, "You got exactly what you paid for, which is virtual currency used to buy a one-time consumable. Hope you enjoyed it!" You're not paying for a product or service with these games, and therefore Nutaku has no contractual obligation to guarantee your access.

Bragg v. Linden held that Bragg's terminated assets had real-life value. That was true because real-money-trading between users is part of the game design. Nutaku's games have no such feature, and it's not clear that the money paid for digital items is equivalent to their value, especially when the items are obtained via a lottery system and are bound to the account.

There's a very simple way to solve this problem: pressure companies like Nutaku to include such guarantees in their terms of service. If they don't play ball, boycott them. But good luck convincing a significant portion of the userbase to join your crusade. The community is too fragmented and most users are entirely apathetic to anything beyond their immediate gratification--this being porn and all.

Unregistered
06-12-2017, 01:45 AM
Short anwser: No, its popular.
Long anwser: All games will eventually close, whether because their not popular anymore, lost quality or the company that hosted them went bankrupt. Heck, when you think about it nutaku has only existed for 3 years and how many games that they hosted have dissipated?
Its amazing how easy it is for a consumer to give up their capital for temporary objects as long as in the "moment" they have it, but most people care about the now, why would they care about tomorrow?

twilightdream
06-12-2017, 02:04 AM
If you willing to spend just spend it you don't need to regret because it's what you want.
Just think that all spending is for your own happiness then all problem will be solve.

All game have to come to an end in one day
but the important part is do you have good moment with it or not.
Just make good memory with it then you will never regret to play Kamipro.

Flaris
06-12-2017, 10:48 PM
Sadly it will at some point. Although hopefully not for a long time. But that's the downside to online based games. They can just go up in smoke. Thus my favorite games will remain the ones on my shelves.

But, for the time being enjoy it while it's here. And just spend your money knowing it isn't for something permanent. Personally that's why I'm fine with mostly free to play. If it meant the thing would last I'd probably spend some real money, but either way it will be gone.

Though not sure how many times I'll keep coming back.