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Lafate
07-24-2017, 05:47 PM
Whelp v0.1 of the update has been completed. Looking for feedback.... particularly on classes, I haven't used. (fun fact... it takes a couple days to sort through all the units!)


The major difference here (when compared to the old template) is that there are more defined roles. In addition, every unit was individually placed, and in the case of the black units with AW2, they were placed twice. Also used the English name if it was released on Nutaku already.


Legend
Event Unit: ★
Trading Shop Unit: ◇
Serial Code Unit: ◆


2-4: Duelist

★ Chloe (Angel > Azrael)
◇ Erun (Angel > Seraphim)
★ Miruno (Angel > Seraphim)
Niel (Angel)
◆ Parhelia (Angel > Seraphim)
Sophie (Angel > Azrael/Seraphim)
Dorothy (Avenger)
Lythtis (Avenger)
★ Rowanna (Avenger)
◆ Ulidem (Avenger)
◇ Zaram (Avenger)
Amanda (Bandit)
Cellia (Bandit)
Conrad (Bandit)
Eunice (Bandit)
★ Imelia (Bandit)
Leaf (Bandit)
★ Lolonee (Bandit)
Lyla (Bandit)
Mortimer (Bandit)
Arslan (Crown Prince)
◇ Gretel (Dark Stalker)
◆ Tokoyo (Evil Princess)
Kyuubi (Fox Spirit)
★ Faa (Monkey Sage)
Nataku (Hermit)
★ Karma (Immortal Princess)
Barous (Majin)
◆ Lulu (Majin)
Rakashasa (Majin)
★ Elene (Monster Breaker)
◆ Nendoriod Sybilla (Nendoroid Princess)
Itsuki (Oni)
Kibahime (Oni)
Angeline (Princess)
★ Claudia (Princess)
◆ Kaguya (Princess)
Lilia (Princess)
◇ Louise (Princess)
Melvina (Princess)
Olivie (Princess)
Rozette (Princess)
Sherry (Princess)
★ Sukuha (Princess)
Sybilla (Princess)
Themis (Princess)
◇ Boris (Puppeteer < Doll Master)
◆ Fee (Puppeteer < Ride Master)
★ Rika (Puppeteer < Doll Master)
★ Tial (Puppeteer < Ride Master)
Wendy (Puppeteer < Doll Master/ Ride Master)
◆ Alicia (Royal Guard)
Miieille (Royal Guard)
◆ Patel (Royal Guard)
★ Momiji (Samurai)
◇ Cynthia (Spirit of War)
★ Gloria (Swordmaster)
◆ Meteor (Swordmaster)
Raven (Swordmaster)
Rischelte (Swordmaster)
★ Sandra (Swordmaster)
Sieglinde (Swordmaster)
★ Eden (Vampire Lord)
Racua (Vampire Lord)
★ Karma (Vampire Princess)
Silvia (Vampire Princess)



1-3: Ganker: These are more a special type of Duelist. More specifically ones that will cost you little to no UP if you are forced to withdraw them. Allowing these units to be used for quick response without slowing you down to much. Artificially threshold set at 0-6 UP cost if withdrawn

◇ Abel (Dragon Rider)
Erenia (Dragon Rider)
★ Lucille (Dragon Rider)
Nadia (Dragon Rider)
Riele (Dragon Rider)
Tifa (Dragon Rider)
Alice (Monk)
★ Bestia (Monk)
Uru (Monk)
Clara (Pegasus Rider)
Ester (Pegasus Rider > Sky Cavalier)
★ Isabelle (Pegasus Rider > Sky Cavalier)
Liddy (Pegasus Rider > Pegasus Master)
Stella (Pegaus Rider > Sky Cavalier)
Berna (Rogue > Enforcer)
Cypria (Rogue > Enforcer)
★ Seven (Rogue > Enforcer)
Kerry (Valkyire > Reginleif)
Clissa (Valkyrie > Reginleif)
Dahlie (Valkyrie > Reginleif)
Elaine (Valkyrie)
★ Meiling (Valkyrie > Reginleif)
Misha (Valkyrie)
★ Reshia (Valkyrie > Reginleif)
Tigre (Valkyrie)



2-4: Burst Healer

Alissa (Healer)
Camilla (Healer > Hierophant)
Christopher (Healer)
◇ Chydis (Healer > Hierophant)
Dorca (Healer)
★ Elias (Healer > Hierophant)
Elyse (Healer > Hierophant/Oracle)
Iris (Healer > Hierophant)
Ellett (Priest Warrior)
Ertel (Priest Warrior)
Fermi (Priest Warrior)
Flamel (Priest Warrior)
★ Lucia (Priest Warrior)
Nicholaus (Priest Warrior)
Sera (Priest Warrior)


1-3: Multi-Healer

★ Echidna (Dragon Shaman)
Fei (Feng Shui User)
Krile (Feng Shui User > 8-Gates Feng Shui Instructor)
Marr (Feng Shui User > Feng Shui Sage)
Mia (Feng Shui User > 8-Gates Feng Shui Instructor)
★ Pippin (Feng Shui User > Feng Shui Sage)
Rinne (Feng Shui User > Feng Shui Sage/8-Gates Feng Shui Instructor)
Alissa, Chrimstmas (Healer > Hierophant)
Fedora (Healer > Oracle)
Liana (Healer > Hierophant/Oracle)
Salia (Healer > Oracle)
Aix (Priest Warrior)



1-3: Damage Healer

★ Eterna (Bishop)
Fudo (Bishop)
Marius (Bishop)
★ Noel (Bishop)
Patra (Bishop)
★ Paula (Bishop)
★ Reve (Bishop)
★ Sereina (Bishop)
Sharon (Bishop)
Belzetta (Dark Priest)
Dorothea (Dark Priest)
★ Verdinate (Dark Priest)
★ Echidna (Dragon Shaman)
★ Hakunokami (Dragon Shaman)
Rubinas (Dragon Shaman)
Fiore (Druid)
Laurier (Druid)
Maple (Druid)
Mistel (Druid)
★ Pupuru (Druid)
Solare (Druid)
Robert (Healer > Oracle)
Yuno (Healer > Oracle)
★ Kagura (Shaman)
Kikyou (Shaman)
★ Shiho (Shaman)
★ Rumaria (Vampire Hunter)



2-4: Physical Rear

Ashera (Archer)
Bashira (Archer)
Bella (Archer)
Claire (Archer)
Daniela (Archer)
Kazuha (Archer)
Lauren (Archer)
Nanaly (Archer)
★ Oscar (Archer)
★ Rita (Archer)
★ Shao (Archer)
Soma (Archar)
◇ Soma, New Year's (Archer)
◇ Spica (Archer)
Stray (Archer)
Victoria (Archer)
★ Aoba (Monster Slayer)
Dolce (Monster Slayer)
◆ Lahti (Monster Slayer)
Ralph (Monster Slayer)
★ Rosel (Monster Slayer)
Socie (Monster Slayer)
Anelia (Pirate)
★ Beatrice (Pirate)
Giovanni (Pirate)
◇ Maurette (Pirate)
Minerva (Pirate)
Monica (Pirate)
Rachel (Pirate)
★ Sabrina (Pirate)
Verotte (Pirate)
★ Aida (Ranger)
Eric (Ranger)
Fuuka (Ranger)
★ Ricola (Ranger)
Roza (Ranger)
Supura (Ranger)
Elizabeth (Vampire Hunter)
★ Fran (Vampire Hunter)
Khuri (Vampire Hunter)
Sue (Vampire Hunter)
Vincent (Vampire Hunter)



2-4: Magical Rear

Moltena (Beast Tamer > Beastmaster/Hellbeast Trainer)
★ Kokoro (Chrono Witch)
◆ Lizette (Chrono Witch)
Towa (Chrono Witch)
Agnes (Necromancer)
★ Memento (Necromancer)
★ Metus (Neromancer)
Adele (Witch > Sorceress)
★ Belinda (Witch > Holy Witch)
Calliope (Witch)
★ Cloris (Witch > Sorceress)
Despara (Witch > Holy Witch/Sorceress)
★ Eliza (Wtich > Sorceress)
Fignelia (Witch > Holy Witch)
Merone (Witch)
Naynia (Witch)
Prim (Witch > Holy Witch)
◇ Ryuryu (Witch > Holy Witch)
Yuyu (Witch > Sorceress)



2-6: AoE Rear

Frederica (Artillery Officer)
◇ Janna (Artillery Officer)
★ Kanon (Artillery Officer)
Mel (Artillery Officer)
Percis (Artillery Officer)
Zola (Artillery Officer)
Lapis (Demon Summoner)
Rivuru (Demon Summoner)
★ Velty (Demon Summoner)
Barbastroff (Mage)
◇ Cyrus (Mage)
Estelle (Mage)
Garania (Mage)
Maya (Mage)
Mehlis (Mage)
Mordiberte (Mage)
★ Odette (Mage)
Pallis (Mage)
Sasha (Mage)
Valerie (Mage)
★ Koyomi (Yin Yang Master)
Mikoto (Yin Yang Master)
★ Solano (Summoner > Grand Summoner)
Rino (Summoner > Phantasm Summoner)
Farne (Summoner > Phantasm Summoner/Grand Summoner)



2-5: Advance Ranged

Daisy (Bowrider)
Katina (Bowrider)
Margaret (Bowrider)
Miguel (Bowrider)
Renarde (Bowrider)
Rion (Bowrider)
★ Sarasa (Bowrider)
★ Fuuko (Fuuhaku)
★ Faa (Monkey Sage)
Nataku (Hermit)
Lux (Imperial Knight)
Viola (Imperial Knight)
Lei-Mei (Jiangshi)
Anemone (Magic Fencer)
Cassis (Magic Fencer)
★ Charlotte (Magic Fencer)
★ Horace (Magic Fencer)
Ingrid (Magic Fencer)
Ricardo (Magic Fencer)
Sabinne (Magic Fencer)
Siena (Magic Fencer)
★ Azami (Ninja > Ninjin)
◇ Hien (Ninja > Ninjin)
Hina (Ninja > Ninjin)
Kagero (Ninja)
Kaname (Ninja > Jiraiya)
★ Nagi (Ninja > Ninjin/Jiraiya)
Saizo (Ninja)
◇ Saki (Ninja > Ninjin/Jiraiya)
★ Shino(Nurarihyon)
Kasumi (Nurarihyon)
Ramii (Raikou)
Konoha (Tengu)



1-3: Anti-Rush

★ Helena (Advance Guard > Great Military Strategist)
Matsuri (Advance Guard > Great Military Strategist)
Uzume (Advance Guard > Great Military Strategist)
Cenote (Elementaler)
Xiao-Mei (Elementaler)
Inari (Fox Spirit)
Kayou (Fox Spirit)
Kyuubi (Fox Spirit)
◆ Tamamo (Fox Spirit)
Alice (Monk)
★ Bestia (Monk)
Dan (Monk)
Gina (Monk)
◆ Lien (Monk)
Lynn (Monk)
Mao (Monk)
Momo (Monk)
Uru (Monk)
Kaname (Ninja > Jiraiya)
★ Nagi (Ninja > Jiraiya)
◇ Saki (Ninja > Jiraiya)
★ Ada (Rogue > Night Assassin)
Barrad (Rogue)
Berna (Rogue > Night Assassin)
Betty (Rogue > Night Assassin)
Cecily (Rogue)
Cuterie (Rogue > Enforcer)
Cypria (Rogue > Enforcer)
Harissa (Rogue)
Junon (Rogue > Night Assassin)
Seven (Rogue > Enforcer)
Clissa (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
★ Emilia (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
★ Reshia (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
Thetis (Valkyrie > Geirolul)


2-3: Anti-Swarm

★ Chloe (Angel > Azrael)
◇ Erun (Angel > Seraphim)
Niel (Angel)
◆ Parhelia (Angel > Seraphim)
Sophie (Angel > Azrael/Seraphim)
Lythtis (Avenger)
◆ Ulidem (Avenger)
Leora (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician)
Matsuri (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician)
★ Shuka (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician)
Lyla (Bandit)
Katina (Bowrider)
★ Anya (Dragon Princess)
◆ Charme (Dragon Princess)
Nadia (Dragon Rider)
Gadoras (Dragon Soldier)
★ Goliah (Dragon Soldier)
★ Ignis (Dragon Soldier)
Sabein (Dragon Soldier)
★ Fuuko (Fuuhaku)
Deine (Heavy Infantry)
Itsuki (Oni)
Kibahime (Oni)
Clara (Pegasus Rider)
Ester (Pegasus Rider > Pegasus Master)
★ Isabelle (Pegasus Rider > Sky Cavalier)
Liddy (Pegasus Rider > Pegasus Master)
Stella (Pegasus Rider > Sky Cavalier)
Anelia (Pirate)
★ Sabrina (Pirate)
◇ Louise (Princess)
Sherry (Princess)
Wendy (Puppeteer < Ride Master)
Ramii (Raikou)
Supura (Ranger)
Aisha (Rear Guard)
Amelie (Sailor)
Frey (Sailor)
★ Marie (Sailor)
★ Reanbell (Sailor)
◇ Viera (Sailor)
Chizuru (Samurai)
Iroha (Samurai)
★ Momiji (Samurai)
Sanosuke (Samurai)
Altair (Soldier)
★ Aria (Soldier)
Assal (Soldier)
Crave (Soldier)
Gustav (Soldier)
★ Jake (Soldier)
Jerome (Soldier)
Julian (Soldier)
Katie (Soldier)
★ Lieselotte (Soldier)
Phyllis (Soldier)
★ Phyllis, Yukata (Soldier)
Rosalie (Soldier)
Zenobia (Soldier)
★ Gloria (Swordmaster)
◆ Meteor (Swordmaster)
Raven (Swordmaster)
★ Sandra (Swordmaster)
Sieglinde (Swordmaster)



2-3: Offensive Tanks

◇ Dark Knight (Dark Fighter)
★ Elva (Dark Fighter)
★ Anya (Dragon Princess)
◆ Charme (Dragon Princess)
White Emperor (Emperor)
Diina (Heavy Infantry)
Deine (Heavy Infantry)
Garrett (Heavy Infantry)
Matilda (Heavy Infantry)
★ Miranda (Heavy Infantry)
Elmira (Heavy Artillery)
Regina (Heavy Artillery)
★ Erica (Mage Armor)
Grace (Mage Armor)
Jessica (Mage Armor)
◇ Raichi (Mage Armor)
Sylseth (Mage Armor)
◇ Akane (Samurai)
★ Hibari (Samurai)
Kojuro (Samurai)
Sakuya (Samurai)
Shizuka (Samurai)



1-2: Defensive Tanks

Cornelia (Dark Fighter)
★ Yurina (Dark Fighter)
★ Anya (Dragon Princess)
Bernard (Heavy Infantry)
Bernice (Heavy Infantry)
Danan (Heavy Infantry)
Deine (Heavy Infantry)
Dwight (Heavy Infantry)
Gellius (Heavy Infantry)
Leeanne (Heavy Infantry)
Leeanne, New Year's (Heavy Infantry)
★ Maribel (Heavy Infantry)
Georg (Heavy Artillery)
Palfy (Mage Armor)



1-2: Token Fighter

Machina (Alchemist)
Suil (Beast Tamer > Beastmaster)
Moltena (Beast Tamer > Beastmaster/Hellbeast Trainer)
Lapis (Demon Summoner)
Rivuru (Demon Summoner)
★ Velty (Demon Summoner)
Cenote (Elementaler)
Clarice (Elementaler)
◆ Haruka (Elementaler)
Loretta (Elementaler)
Xiao-Mei (Elementaler)
Agnes (Necromancer)
★ Memento (Necromancer)
★ Metus (Necromancer)
★ Koyomi (Yin Yang Master)
Mikoto (Yin Yang Master)
Silvia (Vampire Princess)
Prim (Witch > Holy Witch)



1-2: Staller

Frederica (Artillery Officer)
★ Kokoro (Chrono Witch)
◆ Lizette (Chrono Witch)
Towa (Chrono Witch)
Fiore (Druid)
◆ Haruka (Elementaler)
Matilda (Heavy Infantry)
Motley (Jester)
Shirley (Maid > Armor Maid)
Rakashasa (Majin)
★ Aoba (Monster Slayer)
Dolce (Monster Slayer)
◆ Lahti (Monster Slayer)
Ralph (Monster Slayer)
★ Rosel (Monster Slayer)
Socie (Monster Slayer)
Kibahime (Oni)
★ Koyomi (Yin Yang Master)
Mikoto (Yin Yang Master)
Liddy (Pegasus Rider > Pegasus Master)
Minerva (Pirate)
Melvina (Princess)
★ Sukuha (Princess)
★ Aida (Ranger)
Eric (Ranger)
Fuuka (Ranger)
★ Ricola (Ranger)
Roza (Ranger)
Supura (Ranger)
★ Kagura (Shaman)
Kikyou (Shaman)
★ Shiho (Shaman)
Konoha (Tengu)
Sue (Vampire Hunter)
★ Eden (Vampire Lord)
Racua (Vampire Lord)
Adele (Witch > Sorceress)
★ Belinda (Witch > Holy Witch)
Calliope (Witch)
★ Cloris (Witch > Sorceress)
Despara (Witch > Holy Witch/Sorceress)
★ Eliza (Wtich > Sorceress)
Fignelia (Witch > Holy Witch)
Merone (Witch)
Naynia (Witch)
Prim (Witch > Holy Witch)
◇ Ryuryu (Witch > Holy Witch)
Yuyu (Witch > Sorceress)



2-4: Tempo: Changed from Ramp so that it could include Advance Guards.

★ Helena (Advance Guard > Great Military Strategist)
Leora (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician)
Matsuri (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician/Great Military Strategist)
★ Shuka (Advance Guard > Brave Warrior Tactician)
Uzume (Advance Guard > Great Military Strategist)
Sabein (Dragon Soldier)
★ Amy (Merchant)
Totono (Merchant)
Altair (Soldier)
★ Aria (Soldier)
Assal (Soldier)
★ Jake (Soldier)
Jerome (Soldier)
Julian (Soldier)
Katie (Soldier)
★ Lieselotte (Soldier)
Phyllis (Soldier)
★ Phyllis, Yukata (Soldier)
Zenobia (Soldier)
Clissa (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
★ Emilia (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
★ Reshia (Valkyrie > Geirolul)
Thetis (Valkyrie > Geirolul)



1-3: Armor Breakers: Armor/MR Breakers, as well as units that allow other units to get around armor/MR

Ersha (Enchanter)
Heath (Enchanter)
★ Meredith (Enchanter)
Rilke (Enchanter)
Thelma (Alchemist)
Machina (Alchemist)
★ Colin (Alchemist)
Sheryl (Alchemist)
Estelle (Mage)
★ Odette (Mage)
Sylseth (Mage Armor)
Ingrid (Magic Fencer)
★ Koyomi (Yin Yang Master)



1-3: Buffers

Gordeaux (Blacksmith)
Sandy (Blacksmith)
★ Sarasa (Bowrider)
Towa (Chrono Witch)
Hana (Dancer)
Marnie (Dancer)
Miyabi (Dancer)
Vivian (Dancer)
★ Waltz (Dancer)
★ Verdinate (Dark Priest)
Lepuru (Jester)
★ Odette (Mage)
Sasha (Mage)
◆ Hikage (Maid > Battle Maid)
★ Irene (Maid > Battle Maid)
Sarah (Maid > Battle Maid/Armor Maid)
Shirley (Maid > Armor Maid)
Kasumi (Nurarihyon)
★ Anna (Parliamentary Secretary)
Anna, Swimsuit (Parliamentary Secretary)
Anna, Waitress (Parliamentary Secretary)
Angeline (Princess)
Aisha (Rear Guard)
★ Len (Rear Guard)
◇ Leona (Rear Guard)



1-3: Debuffers

★ Reve (Bishop)
Eva (Curse User)
◇ Mitra (Curse User)
★ Revy (Curse User)
Cornelia (Dark Fighter)
◇ Dark Knight (Dark Fighter)
★ Yurina (Dark Fighter)
◆ Puniru (Fenrir Shaman)
★ Elene (Monster Breaker)
Koharu (Nekomata)
★ Aida (Ranger)



0: Greed

Anita (Thief)
Leda (Thief)

AgentFakku
07-24-2017, 08:15 PM
oh it's Spice and Wolf's Holo

Nero010
07-24-2017, 08:37 PM
I know this post is as constructive and helpful as a justin bieber fan but... Lafate? Are my eyes dreaming? Its been over a year, are you back?

Sorry. Had to be.

So with this template you want to sort all units into what roles they fill? Which classes havent u used, so people can focus an eye on them?

kayfabe
07-24-2017, 09:56 PM
As far as roles go I think you could make an argument for having "gate keeper" and "lightning rod" categories. Gate keeper units would be characters that can vary how many units they're blocking and thus can avoid unwinnable fights without withdrawing--you know, stuff like Sailors, Angels, Pegasus Riders and Puppeteers. Lightning rods would be durable units with good MR that relieve tank pressure by eating some ranged magic damage that Defense based tanks don't otherwise mitigate. E.g., several of the valks, dark fighters and princesses plus virtually the entire angel crew. Sophie is a gold standard in both categories, fwiw; she can happily face tank lich bolts while letting the most dangerous melee shit wander by so your ranged dps and tanks can murder them in relative peace.

Lafate
07-26-2017, 05:25 PM
I know this post is as constructive and helpful as a justin bieber fan but... Lafate? Are my eyes dreaming? Its been over a year, are you back?

Sorry. Had to be.

So with this template you want to sort all units into what roles they fill? Which classes havent u used, so people can focus an eye on them?

Yep, I'm back and it seems I've missed quite a bit. As for what classes I haven't used pretty much the ones that haven't arrived to Nutaku and are newer on DMM.


As far as roles go I think you could make an argument for having "gate keeper" and "lightning rod" categories. Gate keeper units would be characters that can vary how many units they're blocking and thus can avoid unwinnable fights without withdrawing--you know, stuff like Sailors, Angels, Pegasus Riders and Puppeteers. Lightning rods would be durable units with good MR that relieve tank pressure by eating some ranged magic damage that Defense based tanks don't otherwise mitigate. E.g., several of the valks, dark fighters and princesses plus virtually the entire angel crew. Sophie is a gold standard in both categories, fwiw; she can happily face tank lich bolts while letting the most dangerous melee shit wander by so your ranged dps and tanks can murder them in relative peace.\

The Gatekepper/Gateway unit is being a class in the next version due to feedback from other areas. Giving lightning rod a role however, was iffy. People werne't sure since it is pretty much a strategy tactic and not a role. Virtually anything can be a lightning rod and it really is simply dependent on what you are trying to have focus that unit(that dictates the statS needed). In most cases it is duelist and gate keepers that serve that role, and it would be a little redundant to include it when you are already going to have those units from other roles.

kayfabe
07-26-2017, 06:43 PM
Giving lightning rod a role however, was iffy. People werne't sure since it is pretty much a strategy tactic and not a role. Virtually anything can be a lightning rod and it really is simply dependent on what you are trying to have focus that unit(that dictates the statS needed).

That's fair and I certainly felt like the case for lightning rod was a lot shakier than for gatekeeper. It's hard to make a clear cut distinction as to what that role would completely entail since people don't restrict themselves to using the the term for high MR units like Odette or Sophie. And frankly, I never felt entirely comfortable trying to restrict the term to only magic resistant units in the first place given that high rarity vampire hunters are roughly as bulky (or bulkier, in the case of Fran) as gold soldiers and can flat out solo a lot of ranged monsters if need be.