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kahurangi
09-14-2017, 12:39 PM
Has anyone figured out what is the requirement to reset the game in order to speed it up?

After the first speed up, I have yet to see another reset.

soviras
09-14-2017, 05:32 PM
You can do it at any time, it's just hidden in the shop without it telling you about it. The speed you have after reset depends on the highest amount of progress you had at any point.

kahurangi
09-14-2017, 08:05 PM
I see it now, thank you.

I notice we can buy energy from the shop. I wonder if those stays through reset.

Hentaika
09-14-2017, 09:58 PM
It's literally almost a complete copy of crush crush. Only with western style and a few extra things.

Obvious parody on fake taxi, so I suppose it's for luring people from porn sites with ads.

And to answer your question - everything you buy in shop carries over aside of the temporary stuff like cash and time skip obviously.

As a free to player I would suggest using the 400 nutaku coins offer(through refs) and then waiting to buy the x8 time warp, it really changes the game from complete stagnation.
Every girl has 10 'levels' first 5 girls give 1 energy for 1st 9 lvls and 20 diamonds on last level. You also get 10 diamonds for free(better not use those when tutorial buttons show you to use it, it's a waste)
So by the time you max 3rd girl with free 40 diamonds you will have enough for time warp which will let you progress with more or less decent speed for a while until getting stuck and grinding for the 2nd x8 warp again, after which the effect of it starts to diminish greatly and you might start saving for 20 energy instead(since it's very limited with only 5 girls having it) unless you plan to dump a lot of money.

The rest of the girls seem to give 1 diamond for level 1 and not sure about anything past that.

But you can't keep progressing by resets unless they suprass previous resets, so in reality -the game bonus is pretty much a fixed bonus, each girl gives progressively more and more per 1 level though.

Icon
09-16-2017, 04:31 AM
This is another pile a shat, they have got to stop releasing the low quality barely above Flash game of the 90's crap

Avoid this like the plague

kahurangi
09-16-2017, 05:55 AM
Obvious parody on fake taxi, so I suppose it's for luring people from porn sites with ads.

And to answer your question - everything you buy in shop carries over aside of the temporary stuff like cash and time skip obviously.

Every girl has 10 'levels' first 5 girls give 1 energy for 1st 9 lvls and 20 diamonds on last level.

The rest of the girls seem to give 1 diamond for level 1 and not sure about anything past that.

Thanks, Hentaika. I haven't even heard of fake taxi until you mentioned it!

As for the rest of the girls seemingly giving 1 diamond per level, that seems to be only true for the first level.

They go back to being 1 energy afterwards.

Hentaika
09-16-2017, 06:03 AM
Thanks, Hentaika. I haven't even heard of fake taxi until you mentioned it!

As for the rest of the girls seemingly giving 1 diamond per level, that seems to be only true for the first level.

They go back to being 1 energy afterwards.

Yeah, I suppose I should have checked more before making decision.

Then seems like you should ignore my suggestion about buying energy after a few time warps - it seems like energy won't be too much of an issue, so might as well just go for the time warps forever.

But anyway - if you actually plan to play this, I highly suggest you do the 'free' 40 diamonds thing or wait for game to launch for extra 20 gems, because you only get around 93-95 free diamonds by the time you hit a major roadblock and unless you plan to spend inefficiently, you need to save up 100 to beat it in reasonable amount of time.

FunkyMonkey
09-17-2017, 11:41 AM
A tip that might be useful:

You can actually record (Press "Rec') before fulfilling their requirements. This allows you to get buildings leveled up quicker, and saves time by enabling you to work on her requirements while recording

Unregistered
09-18-2017, 06:46 PM
How do you get early access. It looks like you guys are already talking about the game mechanics before its out

Unregistered
09-18-2017, 10:16 PM
A lot of new games are on limited release to IP addresses in certain nations only (usually Canada, sometimes The Netherlands). US and other countries can get around this by using VPNs to 'cheat' the IP into eligibility. So they're either in one of those countries or they VPN their way to open it up.

Not going to bother, even after the global release. The 'art' in that screenshot looks like shit. Probably another dumbass western artist who thinks dinner plate sized areolas and duckface blowjobs are hot.

Unregistered
09-18-2017, 10:19 PM
Nutaku has an (annoying) habit of early-releasing their games in certain regions, (Brazil, I think somebody mentioned?), so they either live there, or use a VPN to make it look like they are from there.

(I assume it's for testing reasons/server stability, but I still find it annoying, I've never really found the server issues they used to have on launch particularly onerous.)

Unregistered
09-19-2017, 10:50 AM
Nutaku has an (annoying) habit of early-releasing their games in certain regions, (Brazil, I think somebody mentioned?), so they either live there, or use a VPN to make it look like they are from there.

(I assume it's for testing reasons/server stability, but I still find it annoying, I've never really found the server issues they used to have on launch particularly onerous.)

Canada.

You're not missing much. It's just a clone of mediocre games like fruit ninja and crush crush with awful art.

soviras
09-19-2017, 01:37 PM
Canada.

You're not missing much. It's just a clone of mediocre games like fruit ninja and crush crush with awful art.

Well, yes, we get some abstract art instead of sexy pictures... It's a weird game, and I don't get it either... I'm playing it to find ways to break it without paying, as there seem to be a few holes in the balancing scheme of the game...

Unregistered
09-20-2017, 09:36 PM
Well, yes, we get some abstract art instead of sexy pictures... It's a weird game, and I don't get it either... I'm playing it to find ways to break it without paying, as there seem to be a few holes in the balancing scheme of the game...

Heh. I guess I'm not the only one who finds the art on most of the recent games to be entirely meh.

soviras
09-20-2017, 10:19 PM
Heh. I guess I'm not the only one who finds the art on most of the recent games to be entirely meh.

Well, in this case, the artist seems to never have looked at a human body before. Result is that we end up with one poor girl that has her vagina on her stomach and another with legs she can't stand on. I don't think anyone can fail to see the issues with this games art. But yea, some of the recent games are low quality and only seem to be made in order to grab some quick money from people who are desperate enough... Most of them are simplified clones of older and successful games without any effort being put into them...

Drynix
09-23-2017, 04:55 AM
Well, in this case, the artist seems to never have looked at a human body before. Result is that we end up with one poor girl that has her vagina on her stomach and another with legs she can't stand on. I don't think anyone can fail to see the issues with this games art. But yea, some of the recent games are low quality and only seem to be made in order to grab some quick money from people who are desperate enough... Most of them are simplified clones of older and successful games without any effort being put into them...

Your comment was the reason I started to play this game. I had a good chuckle from the art sadly I won't see all of it since now I need to wait a full week for stat points. Game slowed down to a snailspace within a day. Oh well it was fun while it lasted, which is not a good thing to say when its an h-themed game.

Caitlenren
09-23-2017, 01:08 PM
At first I was rather surprised that the game is translated to my native language. However, it needs readjusting. As an even more sexed-up clone of crush crush - fails. Big time. Although I appreciate the translation. It's rather funny.

Unregistered
10-06-2017, 03:23 AM
FWIW, it's out now... and wow, yeah. Following the trend of most of the recent games, the art is crap. Strangely nowhere near as good as the teaser art.

Unregistered
10-06-2017, 04:35 PM
Yea i knew the art was shitty from the first time i pre registered. I probably will play it once a week, to see what i have unlocked, but other than that its pretty horrible.

My question is about the free diamonds im getting.

I was gonna use it on the recording sessions, but if its only to level up the the income from my stores, i would rather save it.

{Does the store level up automatically from use? or only from recordings and when my girls make a "video"?}

Then i was going to use it to unlock more recording studio rooms. Since there are only 6 rooms and so many girls, i figured putting those gems into that would be best. I dont mind it getting stagnant since i dont care for the game, and there is no way im putting any money into this.

Unregistered
10-06-2017, 04:45 PM
Lets face it, this new game is crap.

But..... Its also a game with no "guide" on the internet what so ever (i tried googling it, couldn't find anything yet)

If someone could start the process, i can come in and put some info in. Like usual, help from other members would be appreciated, since i didn't collect info on the first 3 girls, and i already maxed them out.

Again this game is horrible, but i want to be able to put something up and be the "first". Besides, its a public service to help those that havent played this game yet. Like the Crush Crush wiki, its probably gonna just note what the requirements are, but there is a section for tips and tricks, as well as explanations since the game lacks in some of those too

Let me know! Im a regular on this site, just too lazy to log in. Also make for a mysterious post, since y'all dont know who i am.

Zerana
10-07-2017, 12:57 AM
Is the time warp a permanent bonus?

Unregistered
10-07-2017, 04:21 AM
Is the time warp a permanent bonus?

Yessssssssssssss

Unregistered
10-07-2017, 04:22 AM
I think the "fake it"/date stuff is bugged, it's not affected by resetting the game and always takes 10-30 minutes.

soviras
10-07-2017, 04:28 AM
I think the "fake it"/date stuff is bugged, it's not affected by resetting the game and always takes 10-30 minutes.

No, that's just not sped up. The speed bonuses only have an effect on money, skills and the hearts.

Unregistered
10-07-2017, 05:44 AM
I am wondering if the studios bought with gems stay unlocked through resets, or will you have to buy them each time?

ajgatsz
10-07-2017, 08:44 AM
Has anyone figured out how the Filming goes? It raises the girls lvl permanently, and it lvls the position as well, but what does it do actually?

JMich
10-07-2017, 09:16 AM
Has anyone figured out how the Filming goes? It raises the girls lvl permanently, and it lvls the position as well, but what does it do actually?
It allows you to level your cash buildings, not sure if it has any other benefit.

Bruceski
10-07-2017, 01:01 PM
Well that's rather mean of them. When you first start running into multi-day delays even after all progress reset speed-ups (halfway through the 5th girl) you're 5 crystals short of getting the 8X time warp.

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 01:26 AM
Do the diamonds carry over after resets? Also, is the reset bonus fixed or does it depend on my progress? There's no point in waiting to reset right?

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 02:28 AM
Filming is used to give exp to businesses. After every movie you gain 100+character level to any business. So character level is a positive thing. Position level determines how many character levels you gain after each movie, so it's a bad thing. For very first movie you gain 10 character level, 2nd - 6, later - 4, so the higher the position level, the less useful that position is to increase your character level. That's why later characters have more positions - you can gain more levels before it starts to take too many movies to gain them.

Diamonds obviously carry over. Character and position levels (used in filming) carry over too. You only lose all event progression with characters, all your businesses, money and skills.

Reset bonus is strange. After you reset it does not start to increase for few extra levels after you reach the same point of progression. So you gain a slot, meaning you unlocked new stage, but when you go to check reset multiplier it's still at zero.

We should compare reset multiplier with different resets - I am currently at Geeky (6/10), Dora (2/10), Lora, Sanshi, Ice, Cherry complete, others at zero. My current multiplier = 17.9 (Game bonus) * 2 (Warp bonus from preregistering)=35.8. Can anyone in the similar stage of progression share their multiplier to compare them?

soviras
10-08-2017, 03:54 AM
Filming is used to give exp to businesses. After every movie you gain 100+character level to any business. So character level is a positive thing. Position level determines how many character levels you gain after each movie, so it's a bad thing. For very first movie you gain 10 character level, 2nd - 6, later - 4, so the higher the position level, the less useful that position is to increase your character level. That's why later characters have more positions - you can gain more levels before it starts to take too many movies to gain them.

Diamonds obviously carry over. Character and position levels (used in filming) carry over too. You only lose all event progression with characters, all your businesses, money and skills.

Reset bonus is strange. After you reset it does not start to increase for few extra levels after you reach the same point of progression. So you gain a slot, meaning you unlocked new stage, but when you go to check reset multiplier it's still at zero.

We should compare reset multiplier with different resets - I am currently at Geeky (6/10), Dora (2/10), Lora, Sanshi, Ice, Cherry complete, others at zero. My current multiplier = 17.9 (Game bonus) * 2 (Warp bonus from preregistering)=35.8. Can anyone in the similar stage of progression share their multiplier to compare them?

The reset bonus is increased by a certain amount that depends on which girl you increase by a stage and what stage it is. The later you get the girl, the more points each stage gives. It seems weird because you get a different speed at which you can level girls relatively to each other, due to the static times for the dates, which in turn lets you unlock more girls and makes it seem like you have more progress, while you haven't actually caught up yet cuz most progress is from early girls with less of a boost.

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 08:56 AM
No, that's just not sped up. The speed bonuses only have an effect on money, skills and the hearts.

That's stupid why speed up the other things if you still have to wait 30 minutes to do the date? Makes the other speed upgrade worthless as you can nothing do with the other girls while on the date.

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 02:55 PM
Now I am almost back at the same girl progression as before the reset (first 4 maxed, Geeky at 4/10 instead of 6/10, Dora - 2/10, other two at zero), but I have another 0.8 multiplier waiting for me. It was not supposed to be there as I didn't get to the same progression yet.

Something else must be included into calculation. Skill levels maybe? Current skill levels are 22/22/21/21/21/19/-/-/20/0. Will check tomorrow morning if multiplier changes without doing anything else.

It's not movies as I checked multiplier before and after a movie and it didn't change.

soviras
10-08-2017, 03:46 PM
Now I am almost back at the same girl progression as before the reset (first 4 maxed, Geeky at 4/10 instead of 6/10, Dora - 2/10, other two at zero), but I have another 0.8 multiplier waiting for me. It was not supposed to be there as I didn't get to the same progression yet.

Something else must be included into calculation. Skill levels maybe? Current skill levels are 22/22/21/21/21/19/-/-/20/0. Will check tomorrow morning if multiplier changes without doing anything else.

It's not movies as I checked multiplier before and after a movie and it didn't change.

They are currently tweaking the value of the girls, so it might just be a change to the earlier girls that caused this.

Locutus
10-08-2017, 05:01 PM
Filming is used to give exp to businesses. After every movie you gain 100+character level to any business. So character level is a positive thing. Position level determines how many character levels you gain after each movie, so it's a bad thing. For very first movie you gain 10 character level, 2nd - 6, later - 4, so the higher the position level, the less useful that position is to increase your character level. That's why later characters have more positions - you can gain more levels before it starts to take too many movies to gain them. Does the exp you give businesses from filming stay after each reset, or does it go? Because the girl's level (and thus, reduced amount of exp given) seems to stay.

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 10:50 PM
They are currently tweaking the value of the girls, so it might just be a change to the earlier girls that caused this.

That could explain something I saw. Just before I got enough gems for the x8, the little "reset now for +" had reached +700%. (yeah, was overdue)

I got the gems, did it, and the reset for + x% went away. When I checked it manually, I was at 14 and something game bonus, with only +3 something "pending". (way less than 700 % increase) I figured it had bugged or something, and I permanently lost my pending game bonus by buying the warp. But I guess maybe they had just adjusted the values. (that, or it was saying I was approaching the x8 early? Though it HAD been quite some time since I reset)

FWIW, I'm at:
1: Done
2: Done
3: Done
4: Done
5: 8/10
6: 5/10
7: 3/10
8: 0/10 (Unlocked)

Game Bonus: 14.2
Warp Bonus: 16 (Pre-register x2 and x8)
for a total of 227.2

Pending Game Bonus: 14

Unregistered
10-08-2017, 11:36 PM
the little "reset now for +" had reached +700%.
That's just an ad for x8 Warp. If you click it it will take you to Warp page, not to reset page. It says "Speed up 700%", not "Reset for 700%".

Bonus to shops level from movies is getting reset too, only girl's skill in their positions remains (and their total level is the sum of those skills). So on next reset instead of gaining 101 exp (with skill level =1) after 10 hours you will gain 111 (with skill level =11). Yay, such a huge boost when shops need 1000+ exp for a level that will give around 4% increase in income. My best girl has 34 total skill levels now, so she gains around 168 in 2nd studio.

So they are still tweaking some values? That explains that extra multiplier that I got, thanks for info. Test with skills was a bust - no new multipliers after the night. So will have to wait 2 days for the next progression.

Unregistered
10-09-2017, 04:51 AM
I am wondering if the studios bought with gems stay unlocked through resets, or will you have to buy them each time?

The gem bought studios stays unlocked through resets.

Biggest problem in this game is the multi-day delays... game is simply not interesting enough for people to return 5-7 days later... and who knows how long the waits will become after that week... a month? I would not be surprised. This is not a real game, it is a poorly executed cash-grab!

soviras
10-09-2017, 07:17 AM
That's just an ad for x8 Warp. If you click it it will take you to Warp page, not to reset page. It says "Speed up 700%", not "Reset for 700%".

Bonus to shops level from movies is getting reset too, only girl's skill in their positions remains (and their total level is the sum of those skills). So on next reset instead of gaining 101 exp (with skill level =1) after 10 hours you will gain 111 (with skill level =11). Yay, such a huge boost when shops need 1000+ exp for a level that will give around 4% increase in income. My best girl has 34 total skill levels now, so she gains around 168 in 2nd studio.

So they are still tweaking some values? That explains that extra multiplier that I got, thanks for info. Test with skills was a bust - no new multipliers after the night. So will have to wait 2 days for the next progression.

Later girls go up in level faster as they get more positions, and later cash buildings actually get a bigger advantage from the films for less exp. I can get a level on my highest building every 10 hours (3 rooms filled with girls from the second set), which gives me quite a lot of money per hour extra every day. My highest level girl is almost level 200, but that will be surpassed soon by the latest girl I completed (the 9th one).


The gem bought studios stays unlocked through resets.

Biggest problem in this game is the multi-day delays... game is simply not interesting enough for people to return 5-7 days later... and who knows how long the waits will become after that week... a month? I would not be surprised. This is not a real game, it is a poorly executed cash-grab!

Endgame stuff takes a week per skill level... If you have the 10k multiplier, that is. But as you may imagine, it's going to be impossible to reach that without buying gems, so free players are much slower... It's currently going to take years if you don't buy gems to increase the speed with how its currently set up, and that's not even funny anymore...

Unregistered
10-09-2017, 11:13 PM
It's currently going to take years if you don't buy gems to increase the speed with how its currently set up, and that's not even funny anymore...


Considering the complete lack of any sort of social/competitive aspect for the payers to show off/do well in, I don't see any particular reason why they would care about free players.

Not really sure how they expect to get free players, the multiplier for amount of money spent is... harsh. (and apparently goes up each time?)

soviras
10-10-2017, 03:23 AM
Considering the complete lack of any sort of social/competitive aspect for the payers to show off/do well in, I don't see any particular reason why they would care about free players.

Not really sure how they expect to get free players, the multiplier for amount of money spent is... harsh. (and apparently goes up each time?)

Yea, it does go up each time, but you only need 4 8x boosts and a x2,44 boost that becomes available at that point. The boosts fortunately multiply with each other, so it's not as bad as it could be. Currently 2 8x boosts are the limit for free players, after at least several months of playing.

Unregistered
10-10-2017, 06:10 AM
Yea, it does go up each time, but you only need 4 8x boosts and a x2,44 boost that becomes available at that point. The boosts fortunately multiply with each other, so it's not as bad as it could be. Currently 2 8x boosts are the limit for free players, after at least several months of playing.

Thanks for the heads up, now I know I can drop this game without regretting it. Three days of my life wasted on this isht. x.x

Caitlenren
10-15-2017, 07:32 AM
Well, it's just a pastiche of Crush Crush. Really, what did you expect.

Zengrinn
10-18-2017, 06:42 AM
I am wondering if the studios bought with gems stay unlocked through resets, or will you have to buy them each time?
Has anyone tried this? I was wondering the same thing. Would be rather wrong if they reset, so likely they don't, but I don't want to be the guinea pig ;P

Iggzikof
10-18-2017, 07:21 AM
Yes film studios for gems are there "forever".. Whats your highest main multiplier guys? I have 639,5 with all girls unlocked,, 1st 12 finished ashley 7/10 last two at 0

Caitlenren
10-18-2017, 08:43 AM
61,8. But well. I don't play it much and don't plan to spend any money on it.

soviras
10-19-2017, 04:37 PM
They pushed through some changes that essentially made it so that players who bought certain things (the studios to be precise) now have to pay more money to get the things they bought back to the same condition. It shows where their priority is. :P

Unregistered
10-19-2017, 06:29 PM
This studio change my might the nail in the coffin for me, already up to days of waiting, sad all these games are fine then they get changed like girls on tanks, c'est la vie i guess...

soviras
10-20-2017, 04:20 PM
Now they crawled back from that and made it better than it was. Guess they noticed the player base was rather unhappy about it, and without players they can't get money.

Iggzikof
10-20-2017, 04:25 PM
yup they lowered it a bit,, but still as it is now filming doesnt do anything significant only rises cash income slightly

soviras
10-20-2017, 05:44 PM
yup they lowered it a bit,, but still as it is now filming doesnt do anything significant only rises cash income slightly

Actually its more than slightly increasing the cash income already. Each level a building goes up it increases the amount it earns you per hour by more and more, so you end up getting a lot from it after several levels. I've gotten more than double the cash/hour thanks to it and with some later girls needing trillions that's quite a difference (currently at one that needs 138.1 trillion worth in gifts), and there's the second scene you unlock by reaching a certain level on a girl. Challenge mode will also be using the levels to determine the stats, so that will make it even more useful.

Unregistered
10-20-2017, 10:27 PM
Man, these devs must be lurking or something, as y'all've already said, they've adjusted it, but also, seems they're adding some sort of "dress up versus component" which, if it isn't trash, will actually give it something crush crush doesn't have

Unregistered
10-21-2017, 02:28 AM
What number girl is the two busty poster girls and are they the same (meh-ish) art or better than the others?

soviras
10-21-2017, 09:41 AM
Man, these devs must be lurking or something, as y'all've already said, they've adjusted it, but also, seems they're adding some sort of "dress up versus component" which, if it isn't trash, will actually give it something crush crush doesn't have

Well, the negativity on the Discord server where they are active was even higher than here.

Iggzikof
10-21-2017, 10:43 AM
Well, the negativity on the Discord server where they are active was even higher than here.

Do u have link for that discord?

soviras
10-21-2017, 11:23 AM
Do u have link for that discord?

Not right now, but there's a (very small) button in the game, in the top right below the settings button.

Unregistered
10-21-2017, 02:17 PM
Seeing the game hits a wall at 5th Girl and Forward and that it is not much of a game, nor much adult content, nor anything really but a pass time, it is rather hard to see how their discord would not be negative, when pass time turns to time sink.

Unregistered
10-21-2017, 02:48 PM
Exactly what the person above said

Unregistered
10-21-2017, 04:30 PM
We should start making a wiki guide, since there isnt any yet.

ALso, i want to put down my tips for those new to the game. Even if it only helps one person, it was worth all the data collecting. There may be some tips you guys have that i didnt know and vise versa.

I try not to use guides because its the enjoyment of the game, but i still want to contribute something and like i said, there is no guide up anywhere as far as i can tell

Unregistered
10-23-2017, 09:33 AM
They should implement a multiplier for the minigame, each time you get a perfect run, x2 x3 x4. Take out some of the grind if you are good/lucky.

Borgu
10-23-2017, 10:54 PM
Sadly, you can't manipulate the world clock to speed time up like in Crush Crush.

Unregistered
10-24-2017, 12:19 PM
Any idea how to speed thing up without paying?

sniddy
10-24-2017, 12:42 PM
Sadly, you can't manipulate the world clock to speed time up like in Crush Crush.

Wait what?

Unregistered
10-24-2017, 01:10 PM
Wait what?

He means that in Crush Crush, if you change your computer calendar, you can set it back, say, a week, then pull it forward and it'll be like you've been playing a week.

Doesnt work here.

Unregistered
10-27-2017, 05:04 AM
Honestly must say there is so far an insane difference between the teaser girls and what is in the game.

Stuck like others at the wall around 5th (what is your vagina doing on that body part Geeky) to 8th girl (What do you mean it is going to take more than a week for a skill Pantress).

At 150+ speed it snails along. hard.

I get that's when the money is supposed to go in, but given the poor artwork, I gotta say that though I put 10 bucks into most games I try as an token of appreciation, I simply don't see why would do that here.

Has anyone made it to the teaser girls? Drop or Stick it out?

Unregistered
10-27-2017, 11:43 AM
Stuck like others at the wall around 5th (what is your vagina doing on that body part Geeky) to 8th girl (What do you mean it is going to take more than a week for a skill Pantress).

At 150+ speed it snails along. hard.
I am at 65 speed and almost finished Geeky, final 4 days left. After that I will get 8x speed and should be able to progress few more levels in other girls, plus 50% increase is already ready for reset. The bad thing is not the time to progress to the next level (this is solved by having patience), it is the thing that there is nothing to do while you progress there (so there is no reason to even run the game between certain checkpoints and on those checkpoints you just start the game, do one action and close it again).

soviras
10-27-2017, 03:07 PM
Has anyone made it to the teaser girls?

Not in the game.

Unregistered
10-28-2017, 01:57 AM
Thanks, so what I see in there is what I get, I'll pull the plug then. Time saved :)

soviras
10-28-2017, 05:27 AM
Thanks, so what I see in there is what I get, I'll pull the plug then. Time saved :)

They are adding more to the game, but no ETA on that. Every girl is getting a third pose and they are adding two more tiers... Can't wait til 2057 when we can finally see the last girl.

Unregistered
10-29-2017, 03:31 AM
Gonna take 2 weeks to get to level 31 skills, and the #9 to #12 girls want 32/33 skills. Can't finish any of the current girls to get the diamonds for the next x8, game has been carefully balanced to be just short of what you need. Lucky the launch came with some free diamonds to go 16x straight away.

Unregistered
10-29-2017, 08:14 AM
Just like with Crush Crush there must be a way to speed up time. Changing computer clock doesn't work as the game is smart to how that didn't work in The other game.

Unregistered
10-29-2017, 06:12 PM
If I pay 20 Gems to have a fourth slot for filming, do I keep that fourth slot forever even after I reset for more multiplier? I have to keep paying Gold every time I reset to open up the first three which makes me think that the fourth slot disappears as well. However, I can't see them not allowing you to keep it since you paid real money for that. If it stays after reset, then I could potentially pay gems on it but if it goes away after reset, FUCKKKKK THAT.

Unregistered
10-30-2017, 03:08 AM
They are adding more to the game, but no ETA on that. Every girl is getting a third pose and they are adding two more tiers... Can't wait til 2057 when we can finally see the last girl.
Two more tiers to what? After final 10th level for each girl there will be 11 and 12, or something else?

[quota]Lucky the launch came with some free diamonds to go 16x straight away.[/quote]Did it? I got only some free items for gifts and free 2x multiplier. Just few hours ago got another 8x after finishing Geeky, so 16x few weeks after the launch, not straight away.

soviras
10-30-2017, 10:01 AM
Just like with Crush Crush there must be a way to speed up time. Changing computer clock doesn't work as the game is smart to how that didn't work in The other game.

There is no way to speed it up because it's all managed by the server. This game is actually made in a smarter way that Crush Crush which does the stupidest thing: trusting the player. Players often try to cheat in some way when they are trusted by the game, so them not trusting the player is a smart choice... Only smart choice they made though.


If I pay 20 Gems to have a fourth slot for filming, do I keep that fourth slot forever even after I reset for more multiplier? I have to keep paying Gold every time I reset to open up the first three which makes me think that the fourth slot disappears as well. However, I can't see them not allowing you to keep it since you paid real money for that. If it stays after reset, then I could potentially pay gems on it but if it goes away after reset, FUCKKKKK THAT.

They stay after reset, which has been answered in this topic already... :P


Two more tiers to what? After final 10th level for each girl there will be 11 and 12, or something else?


Lucky the launch came with some free diamonds to go 16x straight away.Did it? I got only some free items for gifts and free 2x multiplier. Just few hours ago got another 8x after finishing Geeky, so 16x few weeks after the launch, not straight away.

There's currently 3 tiers of girls (5 girls per tier), each with a large increase of difficulty. They are adding 2 more, for a total of 25 girls.

Unregistered
10-30-2017, 11:12 AM
Another 2 tiers? Guess their want to get their planning in place for 2020 and 2030 content.

Good thing with people thinking ahead. Takes care of all sorts of trouble.
For example. The artist might have gone on pension by the time the 6th tier become relevant!

Iggzikof
10-30-2017, 12:59 PM
Well req. for lvlups on that last tier will be most likely insane,, tier 3 last girl"s" are already annoying

Unregistered
10-31-2017, 04:40 PM
Challenge is up!

Unregistered
10-31-2017, 06:14 PM
So you know, if you restart your game you don't loose your pumpkins nor the trained points you got in the challange.
I wonder what would happen with the challange after this event ends.

soviras
10-31-2017, 06:43 PM
So you know, if you restart your game you don't loose your pumpkins nor the trained points you got in the challange.
I wonder what would happen with the challange after this event ends.

Restarting makes it hard to use up the pumpkins though. Not to mention earning more will be harder as you can't easily do the challenges without a high total level.

Bruceski
10-31-2017, 11:29 PM
Needing 25 wins on a 20-minute cooldown sure is fun when you hit whales.

1Playa
11-01-2017, 01:34 AM
Does the girl (character) art not bother folks with this game? I can't get past it personally

Unregistered
11-01-2017, 04:53 AM
Does the girl (character) art not bother folks with this game? I can't get past it personally

Some people earlier in the thread mentioned that it bothers them a lot and they don't like it as it is not realistic. Personally, it does not bother me. Some characters, like Frecly and Dora even look kinda nice to me. I don't care about realistic, using imagination is much better than just seeing what you are shown. And to trigger imagination this art is enough.

Unregistered
11-01-2017, 11:54 AM
As the size and activity of the thread suggests, the almost zero coverage the game has almost everywhere and the fact that it having no gameplay its attraction is driven entirely by its artwork, it suffices to say that yes, the artwork is poor and is a problem.

This is not the same as no one liking it, even bad has a niche, but in the main, if it had great artwork there'd be more of everything, people, posts, positive feedback, there isn't ... so the game community verdict is straight forward for all to see, its poor.

Bruceski
11-01-2017, 06:36 PM
How do the mechanics of the challenge work, anyway? I know lips is how much stamina an "attack" does, and tricks is the effect of a critical hit, what about the heart, commitment? And why is part of the stat bar green?

Bruceski
11-01-2017, 06:57 PM
And for folks curious about what they actually get with the costumes,
Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Ice -- saw this one in a challenge and couldn't parse it. Witch? Gnome?

Haven't seen the others yet.

Unregistered
11-01-2017, 09:19 PM
Think Ice is supposed to be little red riding hood.

Unregistered
11-01-2017, 09:24 PM
Some people earlier in the thread mentioned that it bothers them a lot and they don't like it as it is not realistic. Personally, it does not bother me. Some characters, like Frecly and Dora even look kinda nice to me. I don't care about realistic, using imagination is much better than just seeing what you are shown. And to trigger imagination this art is enough.

I wasn't aware people said they didn't like it because it isn't "realistic", None of the existing Nutaku games have particularly realistic art. We don't like the art because it's *bad*. It's like something I could draw, and I don't consider myself a decent artist. The banner/ad art is good. The art of the girls in-game is anything but.

Unregistered
11-01-2017, 10:07 PM
And for folks curious about what they actually get with the costumes,
Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Ice -- saw this one in a challenge and couldn't parse it. Witch? Gnome?

Haven't seen the others yet.

Dora -- Skeleton

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 12:22 AM
Frecly -- Nurse

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 01:59 AM
The second stat looks like attack rate, or accuracy maybe. I think the blue bars are the base stats, but they don't seem to expand with training.

soviras
11-02-2017, 02:13 AM
The second stat looks like attack rate, or accuracy maybe. I think the blue bars are the base stats, but they don't seem to expand with training.

In order from top to bottom:
Attack power, attack speed and crit rate/power.

The bars are the modifiers, blue/greenish represents the girls own modifiers, purple represents the modifiers from the clothes. The length of the bars is relative to the largest bonus (so if one bar is +50% total and the other two are +25%, it will show the other bars at half the size of the highest bar).

Indira is a mummy with poorly done bandages, and Emma is supposed to be a vampire bat maid of some sort.

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 02:23 AM
Green bars are base stats, they are relative to max stat (max is displayed as full bar).
Red bars are stats that you gain through equipment.

Proportions are broken, so it's hard to understand anything by looking at those bars.

Examples:

Base stats: 3.1k/3k/105 - displayed as 100% bar/50% bar/50% bar.
With bonus 33% equipment: 4k/3.9k/138 - displayed as 15%green+85%red/10%green+85%red+5% empty/10%green+85%red+5% empty.

Also gains due to equipment seems to be broken too:
3.1k+33% displays increase of +933
3k+33% displays increase of +934 (why is it more than for 3.1k?)
105+33% displays increase of +33 (instead of +34)

106/101/113 with 33% equipment all display increase of +33 instead of +35/+33/+37

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 02:40 AM
The bars are the modifiers

Ohh, now they make sense. So base stats are 100 for all girls and displayed stats at the very beginning are "base*(100+modifier)%". That way we can get modifiers for each girl. I think this needs a writing down as after you train them it will be much harder to find those modifiers.

Modifiers:
Cherry: 7/7/6
Lola: ?/?/5
Sanshi: ?/5/7
Ice: 4/6/10
Geeky: 7/3/10
Dora: 6/1/13

ThanatosX
11-02-2017, 02:49 AM
List so far from the last 2 pages if someone wants to fill in the blanks.

Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi --
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky --

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress --
Victoria --
Cindy --

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy

soviras
11-02-2017, 04:45 AM
List so far from the last 2 pages if someone wants to fill in the blanks.

Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi --
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky --

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress --
Victoria --
Cindy --

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy

I'm working down the list in reverse order, so the next I'll get is Cindy unless I unlock Ashley before I get to 25 (shouldn't be the case though). Don't think anyone will unlock the twins before the event is over either, as that will take a while (even the first step has a 46 skill req, and later steps cost quadrillions in gifts). Someone might unlock Zoe though... Might even make that in time myself, just 2 steps away.

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 06:04 AM
List so far from the last 2 pages if someone wants to fill in the blanks.

Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi --
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky --

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress --
Victoria --
Cindy --

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy

sanshi - salor moon

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 06:05 AM
List so far from the last 2 pages if someone wants to fill in the blanks.

Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi --
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky --

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress --
Victoria --
Cindy --

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy

geeky - hogwarts student (harry potter)

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 06:17 AM
Priority question:

So i got 67 action points to use. Just unlocked my 9th girl.

Should i be trying to raise the individual girls star level? (What does star level do again?)
Should i be using practice to train all my girls? (or just train one main that i would probably use over the others?)
Should i be training the first stat (lips) as priority?
Should i be trying to unlock more girls (i gave up on skills and cash to train my girls.)
What is the benefit of unlocking more girls for this event? Does having more stamina help in the challenges?

I know my question isnt very detailed. Im just wondering that, since this event is active right now, what do you all think is the best use of action points. I was considering resetting the game (currently at 25.1, and with the reset it will be 47.2) but decied to just waste all the points on training all the girls. Now im wondering why im training all of them if i only use sanshi

soviras
11-02-2017, 06:34 AM
Priority question:

So i got 67 action points to use. Just unlocked my 9th girl.

Should i be trying to raise the individual girls star level? (What does star level do again?)
Should i be using practice to train all my girls? (or just train one main that i would probably use over the others?)
Should i be training the first stat (lips) as priority?
Should i be trying to unlock more girls (i gave up on skills and cash to train my girls.)
What is the benefit of unlocking more girls for this event? Does having more stamina help in the challenges?

I know my question isnt very detailed. Im just wondering that, since this event is active right now, what do you all think is the best use of action points. I was considering resetting the game (currently at 25.1, and with the reset it will be 47.2) but decied to just waste all the points on training all the girls. Now im wondering why im training all of them if i only use sanshi

Star level increases films produced in Films and the endurance you have in Challenge. Higher total level = more chance to win a challenge.
Practice only on your best that you want to use the most. This will probably be the last girl you have maxed out. The effect of practice depends on the star level too, so later girls will have an advantage due to their level being easier to increase.
The first stat determines your base damage, so it helps a lot. However, all stats have an effect, and you can get a lot of damage extra if you also upgrade the others (second is speed, third is crit).
Unlocking more girls helps a lot because it improves the game bonus you get on resetting a lot. The later on the list a girl is, the more bonus they give.
More girls unlocked means higher total level, so more chance to win a challenge.

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 06:39 AM
Star level increases the amount of points girl gets after practice.

10 hour practise:
7 stars (Dora) - 1381 points
30 stars (Cherry) - 1977 points
36 stars (Geeky) - 2133 points
59 stars (Lola) - 2729 points
103 stars (Sanshi)- 3870 points
139 stars (Ice) - 4804 points
Maybe it also depends on some other things, but right now it looks like the higher the amount of stars the more stats they get when practicing.

Unlocking more girls allows you to unlock their Halloween outfit while the event is running (if you get 25 pumpkins). Outfit bonus is 33% to all three stats.

ghjch
11-02-2017, 07:04 AM
List so far from the last 2 pages if someone wants to fill in the blanks.

Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi -- Sailor Moon
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky -- Hogwarts Student

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress -- Catwoman (Batman Returns version)
Victoria -- Wonder Woman
Cindy --

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy

I edited with my own findings (pantress and Victoria) and what others have found. I should have enough pumpkins or Cindy in a few hours too.

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 09:34 AM
Anyone able to get images from the game to save others time, effort and/or money?

soviras
11-02-2017, 12:05 PM
Cherry -- Maid
Lola -- Cop
Sanshi -- Sailor Moon
Ice -- Red Riding Hood
Geeky -- Hogwarts Student

Dora -- Skeleton
Frecly -- Nurse
Pantress -- Catwoman (Batman Returns version)
Victoria -- Wonder Woman
Cindy -- Baseball player? (Not sure, but she has a baseball bat. Probably a reference I'm missing.)

Emma -- Vampire Bat Maid
Indira -- Mummy
Ashley -- Witch
Zoe -- Soldier? (not sure which army though)
Twins -- Demon/Angel

Added more, not sure on what Cindy is supposed to be though.

ghjch
11-02-2017, 12:36 PM
Added more, not sure on what Cindy is supposed to be though.

I think Cindy is Harley Quinn

Unregistered
11-02-2017, 02:58 PM
Anyone able to get images from the game to save others time, effort and/or money?

I'd like to know if the images can be extracted as well.

Borgu
11-02-2017, 03:35 PM
Added more, not sure on what Cindy is supposed to be though.

Can you share the images somehow or is it not possible?

ThanatosX
11-02-2017, 03:55 PM
Odd they didn't do an Arabian Princess costume for Indira. I guess the house of the mouse would send out their attack lawyers.

DrunkMonkGar
11-03-2017, 02:10 AM
I'm working down the list in reverse order, so the next I'll get is Cindy unless I unlock Ashley before I get to 25 (shouldn't be the case though). Don't think anyone will unlock the twins before the event is over either, as that will take a while (even the first step has a 46 skill req, and later steps cost quadrillions in gifts). Someone might unlock Zoe though... Might even make that in time myself, just 2 steps away.

Just fought someone with the twins, so at least one person whaled hard enough for them.

ThanatosX
11-03-2017, 03:53 AM
I beat someone with the twins, they were untrained.

It's getting harder to get pumpkins as the event continues. Poorly designed, should still have a couple of days spare after collecting 8 outfits hopefully.

hornyg4mer
11-03-2017, 06:03 AM
Hey everyone! Great to see everyone sharing info!

So... is the wiki page in the works? I would like to help contribute.

I already got some data collected for tips every player should know. Might have something relevant.
As for pictures, we dont need alot (since we all know the art is ... below par to put it nicely)

So... email me? when or if we decide to make the wiki

Borgu
11-03-2017, 08:57 AM
As for pictures, we dont need alot (since we all know the art is ... below par to put it nicely)


Why not? Just because it's not good, doesn't mean it can't be shared. Maybe a good laugh to save people money and valuable time? Besides, Pussy Saga's art can be downright grotesque and it's out there.

Unregistered
11-03-2017, 10:11 AM
Why not? Just because it's not good, doesn't mean it can't be shared. Maybe a good laugh to save people money and valuable time? Besides, Pussy Saga's art can be downright grotesque and it's out there.
Because sharing adult pictures on wiki is forbidden? And personally the less pictures are on wiki, the faster it loads and less often breaks formation.

Anyway, if someone wants to start a wiki, just start it and share a link here, others will help eventually.

On the other note, is the game lagging for anyone now?

Borgu
11-03-2017, 11:05 AM
Because sharing adult pictures on wiki is forbidden? And personally the less pictures are on wiki, the faster it loads and less often breaks formation.

Anyway, if someone wants to start a wiki, just start it and share a link here, others will help eventually.

On the other note, is the game lagging for anyone now?

This wiki has nude images aplenty. Why would this game be an exception?

Unregistered
11-03-2017, 11:15 AM
This wiki has nude images aplenty. Why would this game be an exception?

What do you mean by "this wiki"? When I was starting some wikis before I checked the rules and nude images were forbidden on that one. It may depend on the wiki platform, but I think most of them forbid just in case.

soviras
11-03-2017, 11:25 AM
What do you mean by "this wiki"? When I was starting some wikis before I checked the rules and nude images were forbidden on that one. It may depend on the wiki platform, but I think most of them forbid just in case.

*Points to the top of the page.*

Unregistered
11-03-2017, 11:57 AM
*Points to the top of the page.*

Ohh, I see it now. I thought this was only a forum, but it also has it's own wiki section. Ok, if it's allowed then I don't see a reason why you couldn't post those images.

hornyg4mer
11-03-2017, 02:42 PM
YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT!

I dont mind taking screen shots and adding pictures where relevant! The whole point though is that lets start making the wiki. This isnt like the other games where there are hundreds of cards to collect and each card has a few images (pero pero).

At some point we can add every single pose of each girl. Right now, worry about starting the page so we (as a community) can construct it. No where on the internet is there any guide or even tips for this game. We can be the first and draw in new people. Its great to know that some people dont even know we have wiki guides on this site *you know who you are*

Our opinions aside on how bad/good the game is doesnt matter.





And as for posting nude images, we can within reason. Some of it will have to be put behind spoiler tags, to keep the wiki SFW.

Unregistered
11-03-2017, 04:19 PM
When is the best time to do resets and what not? I can't quite max Geeky atm, but it still takes a couple days. Also with trying to grind some films and the challenge it seems kind of hard to do with the time needed to train. Also is there a faster way to get through the dates/ fake its?

Unregistered
11-04-2017, 01:19 AM
Guide to winning 9 of 10 challenges and get on with more productive things in life.

- Choose 10 hour practice for 1 girl for lips.
- Autowin against anybody who didn't do the same.

Get back to wondering why this isn't a free mobile game with no cash shop.

hornyg4mer
11-04-2017, 06:17 AM
When is the best time to do resets and what not? I can't quite max Geeky atm, but it still takes a couple days. Also with trying to grind some films and the challenge it seems kind of hard to do with the time needed to train. Also is there a faster way to get through the dates/ fake its?

I reset when i get 10x multiplier. Thats my own preference, but after a while, when it takes 3 days for the skill to level, its time to restart.
You obviously want to keep going if your close to another pose from the girls.

As for the challenge, its really easy. Train the one that costs 10. You gain like a few thousand in that stat. Also, like someone else said, you win automatically if the one your against doesnt have the same stats. The other stats dont have much of an effect unless your first stat is too close to theirs. OR if your first stat is double theirs, but their 2nd stat is double yours. Because if they attack twice as fast, even at half power, will equal the same attack power

hornyg4mer
11-04-2017, 06:19 AM
Guide to winning 9 of 10 challenges and get on with more productive things in life.

- Choose 10 hour practice for 1 girl for lips.
- Autowin against anybody who didn't do the same.

Get back to wondering why this isn't a free mobile game with no cash shop.

Sorry just wanted to add something to keep in mind

If your going up against someone you know you cannot beat, still go for it! No matter how long you wait, you will still be agaisnt that person, so get the loss out of the way and then reset the search. in 15 minutes you will have a new fighter. OR you could train, but that will take 10 hours, and by then you could have fought at least 39 other people. You can train and still fight the challenge

ThanatosX
11-04-2017, 06:53 AM
Event has gone to shit. Keep drawing 20-30k stat enemies. Only got 5 pumpkins today, waste of time.

hornyg4mer
11-04-2017, 04:18 PM
Event has gone to shit. Keep drawing 20-30k stat enemies. Only got 5 pumpkins today, waste of time.

Im still lucky. Im getting some enemies with like 100 each stat. I know the enemy selection is random, but i think it depends on what girl your using to fight your fights. Anyone can confirm? Im using sanshi, and all her enemies (on average) are weak

ThanatosX
11-04-2017, 11:19 PM
Seems random. Still see untrained naked opponents.

Passs
11-05-2017, 08:23 AM
You can find the nude models for the girls here :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com/gfx/girlsuit/[girl name]/girl.png
for the girl just fill in here name so like for zoe it's :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/zoe/girl.png

now you at least have all the models, the clothes are PNG overlays and I don't have the time to play around with that.
but here are some examples for Frecly (i like her design):
pink top : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/51.png
yellow top : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/46.png
bra : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/48.png
halloween suit : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com/gfx/girlsuit/frecly/114.png
yellow shorts : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/45.png
thong : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/47.png
pink dress : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/50.png
yellow sneakers : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/44.png
pink heels : https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girlsuit/frecly/49.png

Have fun setting up the wiki

remove spaces bla bla bla not allow to post links

Passs
11-05-2017, 08:40 AM
Sorry forgot to post the link to the positions they take.
as per example above for another girl change the name
positions go from 1 to 10 :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girls/frecly/position/ready/1.png

afer position ten you also have 10_1.png :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girls/frecly/position/ready/10_1.png

as for the animations, same story :
first position :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girls_anim_extra/frecly/1/full/IMG_0001.png
second position :
https:// static. nut. fakelay. com /gfx/girls_anim_extra/frecly/2/full/IMG_0001.png

if you run up the number on the png you get every image of the animation.

again, have fun!

criscringle20052005
11-05-2017, 12:48 PM
what does it take to get the wiki started? i could not find a place to start a whole new wiki. i will gladly add a bunch of material and help get it set up if someone knows how to make the initial page. maybe only certain people have permission to start it?

Unregistered
11-06-2017, 01:14 AM
Big thanks for the position links (Which is the poses they strike in the game).
In general very bad.

Made for an easy decision to drop the game.
Best of luck to those that stick by it.

hornyg4mer
11-06-2017, 06:58 AM
what does it take to get the wiki started? i could not find a place to start a whole new wiki. i will gladly add a bunch of material and help get it set up if someone knows how to make the initial page. maybe only certain people have permission to start it?

Well for previous game wikis, we have Kotono make what is the first page. From that, i know how to create pages, add linked images, etc. I dont know any other users that has the clearance kotono has.

As far as when the page is up, keep gathering info. Im gathering how much a business earns at level 1, level 2, etc. That way, we can figure out how much each job gains per energy.

We can also figure out how high a level the 2 energy job has to be to start gaining as much as the 16 energy job (which would optimize gain for less energy)

As far as info to gather, here are SUGGESTIONS:

Images of each girl
Requirements for each girls level
Stats on each job (when they unlock, how long till they are unlocked, earnings, best job for money, etc)
Skill levels: how long in average to level them and when to stop leveling a skill (in preparation for a reset)
challenges: images of costumes, which items of clothes are recommended, and a breakdown of the mathematical algorithm to calculate a win %

Remember that we don't know what info we are gonna implement just yet. Once the wiki is made, anyone (that knows how) set up the main page with sub pages, and then we can all add to it from there.

hornyg4mer
11-06-2017, 07:46 AM
I just messaged Kotono. Will update you when they reply to my PM.

I havent seen them on for a few days.

I also mentioned that its up to them when and if they want to create the wiki. I didnt want to seem too demanding since the game isnt really that important. Just really wanted to be the first and ONLY wiki of this (almost decent) game. since the game is still new-ish, there are more possible surprises that might make the game fun-er

Its been said that this challenge feature is something crush crush didnt have. Right now its kind of boring though. Its eaither hit (you win) or miss (you lose). Other than "practice" (which gives you a higher chance of winning) which also takes 10 hours. I know the game is supposed to be a time waster, but i would have liked more to do than just check in and wait.

EDIT: Can you guys just register? i know you can comment without it, but it really gets hard to know who your talking to or answer comments when im staring at the 100th Guest comment. If you dont want to register, fine. But then in the new reply put some kind of name in the title or at the bottom. My own opinion

ThanatosX
11-06-2017, 08:59 AM
The 20 energy job is a beast, you get twice as much income as two or more jobs adding to 18 energy.
Here's what I have unlocked at the moment, not normalised, and I didn't bother removing my multiplier.

-05 20M L26
-04 23M L24
-02 16M L23
-16 183M L22
-08 120M L20
-20 458M L22
-02 40M L9

soviras
11-06-2017, 09:23 AM
The 20 energy job is a beast, you get twice as much income as two or more jobs adding to 18 energy.
Here's what I have unlocked at the moment, not normalised, and I didn't bother removing my multiplier.

-05 20M L26
-04 23M L24
-02 16M L23
-16 183M L22
-08 120M L20
-20 458M L22
-02 40M L9

Energy efficiency increases by every step down the list of jobs. The final one is the most efficient per energy point, and the 30 energy one gives the most per building level. The one for 12 at the end of the list gives me almost 4 times what the one for 20 gives.

hornyg4mer
11-06-2017, 03:29 PM
The 20 energy job is a beast, you get twice as much income as two or more jobs adding to 18 energy.
Here's what I have unlocked at the moment, not normalised, and I didn't bother removing my multiplier.

-05 20M L26
-04 23M L24
-02 16M L23
-16 183M L22
-08 120M L20
-20 458M L22
-02 40M L9

thanks for the info.
When i reset my game, im gonna try to see what they are at level 1, level 2, etc.
The excel document im making will have all that info, so incase your a new player that doesnt have everything unlocked, you can still maximize cash profits. That way anyone can decide for themselves whats the best option

hornyg4mer
11-06-2017, 03:47 PM
Wiki is up!
http://harem-battle.club/wiki/System/Fake-Lay

Created by criscringle20052005 (http://harem-battle.club/members/criscringle20052005.html)

what does it take to get the wiki started? i could not find a place to start a whole new wiki. i will gladly add a bunch of material and help get it set up if someone knows how to make the initial page. maybe only certain people have permission to start it?

EDIT: so it seems to be a book, which doesnt match the other wikis i have looked at. I PM'ed Kotono, to look over it before we add anything. Again, once its given the green light, i can add the sub pages and make some templates. From there, we can all try to fix it up. For now, dont touch the page until a admin that knows what they are doing can fix it. I think i messed with it a little too much

Unregistered
11-06-2017, 05:09 PM
they added lil' animations for the training tv!

Kotono
11-06-2017, 05:46 PM
I have made you all an area. This is something only an admin can do since it is done in the backend.

http://harem-battle.club/wiki/Fake-Lay

Unregistered
11-07-2017, 12:58 PM
I remember someone earlier in this thread said that you get multipliers from girls only once for each scene. That is not true. You get almost 11 to base multiplier if you complete first 5 girls and get next ones to Dora(9)/Frecly(7)/Pantress(4). It does not take that long to get here, so you can reset for 11 extra bonus to base multiplier as long as you like.

soviras
11-07-2017, 06:07 PM
I remember someone earlier in this thread said that you get multipliers from girls only once for each scene. That is not true. You get almost 11 to base multiplier if you complete first 5 girls and get next ones to Dora(9)/Frecly(7)/Pantress(4). It does not take that long to get here, so you can reset for 11 extra bonus to base multiplier as long as you like.

That's cuz it got changed at some point. It wasn't like that at first. There's diminishing returns though, and a cap for each girls contribution, so you can't get infinitely high with just the first two sets of girls.

Unkown Person
11-07-2017, 07:45 PM
Is the time warp by 8x worth it? im already at 160 in the alarm clock. i also have 151 diamond which is enough for the x8 time warp which is another 700% speed increase.

worth? or better spend somehwere?

Unregistered
11-07-2017, 10:15 PM
That's cuz it got changed at some point. It wasn't like that at first. There's diminishing returns though, and a cap for each girls contribution, so you can't get infinitely high with just the first two sets of girls.
In two resets it didn't change at all. Exactly 10.946 at the same level of all girls. So I don't believe there are diminishing returns here. As for cap - I am not sure, it takes almost a day to get to this stage so I need more time to test it.

Unregistered
11-07-2017, 11:54 PM
Maxing first 4 girls up to the first beach date (the one that requires 10 minutes) gives 2.336 to base multiplier.

Unregistered
11-08-2017, 11:19 PM
I believe everyone is normalized to Sanshi except Cherry and Lola.

Cherry gain total 0.5 multiplier in the 5 last levels.
Lola gains total 0.5 multiplier only at last one level.
Sanshi's gains are: 0.028-0.044-0.06-0.076-0.092-0.108-0.124-0.14-0.156-0.172 for a total of 1.0.
Ice = 1.5*Sanshi (0.042-0.066-0.09-0.114-0.138-0.162-0.186-0.21-0.234-0.258)
Geeky = 2.0*Sanshi
Dora = 2.5*Sanshi
Frecly = 4.0*Sanshi
...

Checked this theory up to Ice (10), Geeky (7), Dora (5), Frecly (1). Didn't find any differences from the theory.

Farmed almost 50 base multiplier yesterday (105->155), still no diminishing returns on it.

hornyg4mer
11-09-2017, 05:14 AM
so fake lay has been down since i got home. that was 3 hours ago?

Im not really into this game, but i at least wanted to try to get all the girls i have their costume (i only have 4). Sucks that the system is down. Even with a update that improves the game, its wasting the time i can actually use to play it. I was literally at work for a full 12 hours, and come home to this...

soviras
11-09-2017, 09:13 AM
so fake lay has been down since i got home. that was 3 hours ago?

Im not really into this game, but i at least wanted to try to get all the girls i have their costume (i only have 4). Sucks that the system is down. Even with a update that improves the game, its wasting the time i can actually use to play it. I was literally at work for a full 12 hours, and come home to this...

Well, they are extending the event, and the game wasn't actually down. Only some players had issues, as one of the data centers had both of its redundant power supplies fail, but people who connected to the other one had no issues.

JL95
11-13-2017, 04:08 PM
Anyone knows if resetting the game causes you to lose the Halloween costumes?

Thanks in advance.

Unregistered
11-13-2017, 04:46 PM
Costumes stay. Dont worry.

ThanatosX
11-14-2017, 12:01 PM
Can you just camp at max rank until next week reset, or is there some sort of decay to overcome.

Unregistered
11-14-2017, 03:28 PM
What happened if I press the reset button?

Unregistered
11-14-2017, 09:33 PM
Can you just camp at max rank until next week reset, or is there some sort of decay to overcome.

How much is the max rank? I only got to 17 yet.

Even if you are at max rank you can still win cash from battles, can't you? They give a ton of cash, I even turned off all my cash producing facilities because they give much less than those battles.

JustMe
11-15-2017, 03:03 AM
The max level is 25. I've found earlier that the higher your earnings per day, the better the reward. I checked that again after seeing your post and found that it now has no effect. I get the same amount regardless.
It seems like the only way to change your rank is win or lose a challenge you initiate. If you are worried about dropping, a casual attack is safe, but gives a lot less money.

Unregistered
11-15-2017, 03:46 AM
The max level is 25.
Thanks for info.


I've found that the higher your earnings per day, the better the reward. You might want to try switching them on while doing the challenge and back off after.
I don't think this is true. I had 400m/h (20 energy) and was getting 700m per win when challenges started. Later I lowered income to 60m/h (4 energy) and currently when I win a challenge I get 800M. Maybe it depends on some girl stats (I keep upgrading them) or something else, but not on income on cash panel. I have only 1 girl that can win around rank 17 from time to time, so I can't test winning with another girl.

JustMe
11-15-2017, 08:35 AM
Yea, I edited my post since that isn't how it works now. When I first noticed it, I did some testing and got a pretty consistent 33% of the current hourly earning. Yesterday, it seems to have changed to be based on your max hourly earnings. This is a very positive change.
I tried a couple different girls, but my rewards seem to be the same.
It's a new feature. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweak it again if they think there is a problem.

Borgu
11-15-2017, 10:59 AM
Most vital question: how many diamonds at rank 25?

JustMe
11-15-2017, 11:45 AM
4 for 23, 6 for 24, and 10 for 25.
Some of the guys here are making a wiki page. It has the whole list.

ThanatosX
11-15-2017, 12:57 PM
Pretty hyped for my second x8 multiplier, just need 7 more diamonds from next weeks challenge mode.

Do you think they might give some diamonds or time blocks in the daily quests, or just sorta lame stuff like battle items and cash.

JustMe
11-15-2017, 01:38 PM
Diamonds and time blocks are usually for bigger things than a daily. Maybe for filling a bunch of consecutive dailies. If they run them in a set, sometimes the very last one has a nice surprise. It could also be used for the cards they have now as "coming soon". Guess we'll have to wait and see. They'll want to make them worth doing, but I wouldn't expect many diamonds out of that.

ThanatosX
11-15-2017, 03:54 PM
I figured the cards would be part of the combat system somehow.

hornyg4mer
11-16-2017, 03:29 AM
game is down for me again. Could it be a update? Or just bad internet.

Unregistered
11-16-2017, 03:45 AM
game is down for me again. Could it be a update? Or just bad internet.

same thing for me as well, don't worry

Hornypony
11-20-2017, 05:08 AM
Did the fake timers get patched? My old list had 120 minutes for Vic and now it is 30 minutes.

I have yet to see a capping on the girls contribution to time bonus. Can someone confirm a capping? The game gets changed a lot, so a capping might be changed too. Right now the girls contribute , if unlocked completely, something like this 0,5 0,5 1,0, 1,5 2,0 2,5 4,0 6,0 8,0 9,0

To all the people who do not understand diminishing returns:

If you have warp bonus of 1 and reset bonus of 10 you have time bonus of 10. If you get another 10 reset bonus you would have

10+10 = 20, increase 100%
20+10 = 30, increase 50%
100+10 = 110, increase 10%
1000+10 = 1010, increase 1%
10000+10 = 10010, increase 0% (rounded to 1 digit)

In other words: they might implement a capping, but it would not be needed at all. Diminishing returns is already a capping in itself. What I did see although is a wrong reset bonus, that got corrected after unlockin more scenes and currently Lola seems to give her bonus only if unlocked completely.

Studios will suffer diminishing return as well, when you notice that your girls will get only 0 stamina after a 10 hour session. So warp bonus up to the capping seems to be the best investment for diamonds.

Shuls
11-20-2017, 12:16 PM
So the best investment is Time Warp instead of Energy? I've been saving some diamonds for this reason, currently I have 100 and as soon as I finish with Geeky I would be able to buy 20 Energy wich seems tempting since it will give me more room for upgrading girls while I level them up but the Time Warp seems like a very good choice too considering it increases the rate at wich you get skills and Im already waiting for a day for lvl 21-22 and I don't see how I could get to 32 at this rate unless I wait for months.

Also I've been trying to get all the files for the wiki (already have positions/animations done for the first 4 girls) and I started seeing some costumes I don't know how to get like the halloween ones people are talking about and I also saw some Cherrys and Lolas with winter jackets, how do you get those?

Hornypony
11-20-2017, 02:04 PM
So the best investment is Time Warp instead of Energy?

and I also saw some Cherrys and Lolas with winter jackets, how do you get those?

What would you do with the energy? Money making? Skills leveling? With x2 Time Warp you get double the amount of training/money in the same time. Do the math. You can think about extra Energy if Time Warp costs too much (gets more expensive, the more you have).

Winter jackets? Sounds interessting. Only seen skimpy outfits so far. My wardrobe options dont offer me anything resembling a jacket to buy. You do not talk about the training outfits you sometimes see after a fight? That bathrobe/fighting suit stuff?

ThanatosX
11-20-2017, 04:26 PM
Do you think 5 days is a little short for some people, for the new league length. Get your prizes faster though, next speed boost, can't wait.

Unregistered
11-20-2017, 04:41 PM
I hard stuck in first league with 25k girl. New players beware u will never catch up unless u spend shitload of money.

Shuls
11-20-2017, 05:56 PM
Winter jackets? Sounds interessting. Only seen skimpy outfits so far. My wardrobe options dont offer me anything resembling a jacket to buy. You do not talk about the training outfits you sometimes see after a fight? That bathrobe/fighting suit stuff?

The jackets I saw where from people on the "leaderboards" (the fame icon on the map), click on the callender and check that rank #109 Sean Mahu has one.

ThanatosX
11-20-2017, 07:03 PM
Yeah there are new items in my Sanshi's shop, including that tan coat.
New gear in all the shop's actually, another quiet update. They should really put in some sort of news announcement.

Shuls
11-20-2017, 07:05 PM
Yeah there are new items in my Sanshi's shop, including that tan coat.

You are right, I didnt even bother checking the shop again lol

Hornypony
11-21-2017, 02:57 PM
I did check the shop, but did not find anything new. At that time. Now new items everywhere. Still no items in 2 categories but new coats, shoes etc.

And speaking of silent updates, now there are trophies for doing the challenges. Nice additional diamonds.

They really should display some changelog with the welcome message that tells you how long you were offline.

Unregistered
11-21-2017, 09:59 PM
To all the people who do not understand diminishing returns:

If you have warp bonus of 1 and reset bonus of 10 you have time bonus of 10. If you get another 10 reset bonus you would have

10+10 = 20, increase 100%
20+10 = 30, increase 50%
100+10 = 110, increase 10%
1000+10 = 1010, increase 1%
10000+10 = 10010, increase 0% (rounded to 1 digit)

In other words: they might implement a capping, but it would not be needed at all. Diminishing returns is already a capping in itself. What I did see although is a wrong reset bonus, that got corrected after unlockin more scenes and currently Lola seems to give her bonus only if unlocked completely.

You misunderstood. I was talking about diminishing return for base multiplier that you gain from girls (you know, like in diablo when you kill a mob that is several levels below you you get less exp than when you kill same mob at similar level to yours). There is none, as you said each girl gives 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12 when you complete them and this value does not get lower. It was obvious that there is a diminishing return for final resulting multiplier. So you can still farm same girls and gain base multiplier with the same speed, but it's actual effect will become lower and lower with each run. In diablo it would be useless to farm low level mobs because they won't give you any exp anymore. And that's what was said earlier - that you can't farm same girls due to cap and diminishing return. I don't know about cap, didn't hit it yet, but because there is no diminishing return, you can still farm low level girls - 15 minutes for 2.18 basic multiplier seems like the best way to farm it if you focus on it, but it's rather boring. Other options - 1 day for 10 multiplier, or several days for 20 multiplier are much less efficient but require less invested actual play time.

Shuls
11-22-2017, 02:35 PM
I did check the shop, but did not find anything new. At that time. Now new items everywhere. Still no items in 2 categories but new coats, shoes etc.

And speaking of silent updates, now there are trophies for doing the challenges. Nice additional diamonds.

They really should display some changelog with the welcome message that tells you how long you were offline.

They actually sent me an email about the update and it mentions both the trophies and the new winter clothes, it's also on the news section of the game in Nutaku.

ThanatosX
11-23-2017, 02:53 PM
Finally got to rank 25 again, there are a lot of monsters in there. Should be able to get to 100 wins today for the 15 diamond reward too. Don't need to wait for the end of the challenge for my next x8. Exciting stuff.

Shuls
11-23-2017, 05:24 PM
I got to 25 too, tho I only hit like 2 or 3 whales in my way up.

Btw I'm working on some stuff for the wiki so tomorrow I'll be updating some info that is outdated like the requirements for each scene for the first 5 girls and once I finish more girls I'll update them as well, it will take some time tho since Im f2p.

ThanatosX
11-24-2017, 12:03 AM
Fucking hate this game. Spent my diamonds this morning and missed their black Friday ruin your day sale. Never gonna spend a cent on this dev.

sniddy
11-24-2017, 01:13 AM
...that was silly

Shuls
11-24-2017, 10:43 AM
I was doing the math and the best way to reach the max Warp Bonus is by getting 2x8+3x6=14k, it would be nice to know how many diamonds are needed so if someone knows how much is the increase in cost every time you get a warp bonus please let me know so we can add that to the wiki to help new players out.

Unregistered
11-24-2017, 11:22 AM
I was doing the math and the best way to reach the max Warp Bonus is by getting 2x8+3x6=14k, it would be nice to know how many diamonds are needed so if someone knows how much is the increase in cost every time you get a warp bonus please let me know so we can add that to the wiki to help new players out.

Where did you find 6? It's 2, 4 and 8. It should be 8*8*8*8*2 (with extra 2 from pre-register) or 8*8*8*8*4 (without pre-register). It's crazy anyway for ftp player. I only have 8*2 (with pre-reg).

At 16x prices are: 2 - 60 (48 with discount), 4 - 113 (91 with discount), 8 - 151 (121 with discount).

Unregistered
11-24-2017, 11:47 AM
Now if only someone could do the math if it's profitable to buy 2x or 4x multipliers now while there is discount running instead of waiting for later. Common sense says: "no, it is not, it is better to buy 8x at once so that you don't increase prices too much for the next buy and not lose on bulk discount". But current discount is also rather large, so I am on the fence about it.
Buying 2 and 4 without discount costs: 173
Buying 8 without discount costs: 151, so it's 22 gems cheaper.

Buying 4 without discount: 113
Buying 4 with discount: 91, same 22 gems cheaper.

So what is better, to buy 4 now and be left with 2 gems without any next buys for a long time, or to keep current 93 gems and wait for 58 more to buy 8 without discount...

I guess I will leave decision for tomorrow.

Shuls
11-24-2017, 03:03 PM
Where did you find 6? It's 2, 4 and 8. It should be 8*8*8*8*2 (with extra 2 from pre-register) or 8*8*8*8*4 (without pre-register). It's crazy anyway for ftp player. I only have 8*2 (with pre-reg).

At 16x prices are: 2 - 60 (48 with discount), 4 - 113 (91 with discount), 8 - 151 (121 with discount).

My bad I dont know why I thought x6 was a thing, 4x8+1x4 is what I should have said.

Hornypony
11-24-2017, 04:57 PM
You misunderstood. I was talking about diminishing return for base multiplier that you gain from girls (you know, like in diablo when you kill a mob that is several levels below you you get less exp than when you kill same mob at similar level to yours). ... And that's what was said earlier - that you can't farm same girls due to cap and diminishing return.. Okay. How "fast" is XP growing in Diablo per Lvl of enemy? Linear? The part of FL wich deals with gaining money hearts and skills or better to say, the part with the requirements of the girls grows with multiplication. Think about that tale with the rice and the chess board.

In FL there is no decrease of the reset multiplier needed. Nor any capping. The rumor of a capping is, as I believe, due to lola, who gives only bonus if unlocked completely.

Diminishing return is not something implemented in a game, but rather a mathematical problem.

You can farm a bonus of 2,2 in 15 minutes. This will take you about 13 years (!) to get to 1 million time bonus. And with that you will still be far, far away from twins. (And no, getting 22 instead of 2,2 in 15 minutes is no difference. 1,3 years or 13 years are both too big for real play time).

That you will gain less and less effect from the same resource cost (2,2 constant every 15 minutes very active play) is the diminishing return. Not the reduction of the resource gain itself (2,2 reset bonus).

Time warp has no diminishing return, but a capping and slightly increasing costs.

At least they show you what you will get each reset. Calculated in %. Getting a time warp x2 is always 100%. Getting 10 reset bonus starts high, but will soon be reduced to 0% relative gain.

--

The pay to win shines through more with each update. I cant get over rank 17, but according to this overall ranking less than 200 players are "better" than me. Okay. But if I get paired each other fight with one of those, I cant rise higher. In my opinion they did not think the pvp through. Or they really want to only have like 10 people in rank 20-25. And bonusitems are far away from helping in a fight. Either win dramatically or loose dramatically. And of course the new accessoires are to be bought with diamonds.

Hornypony
11-24-2017, 05:25 PM
Soo, suddenly they decide to extend the current pvp event. I hope they fixed the match making to something reasonable.

If they want to match players according to rank, they should ditch the fame thing and only have a rank and a weekly reward or something like that.

Shuls
11-24-2017, 06:11 PM
Soo, suddenly they decide to extend the current pvp event. I hope they fixed the match making to something reasonable.

If they want to match players according to rank, they should ditch the fame thing and only have a rank and a weekly reward or something like that.

I was rank 25 earlier today and after they extended the event I started getting matched against players that have 3 times the stats of my girl and at least 5 times my stamina, it might just be because of the black friday event and a lot of people spending money or they just compleatly shut off ft2 players from getting to rank 25 with this type of match making.

Unregistered
11-25-2017, 12:28 AM
Okay. How "fast" is XP growing in Diablo per Lvl of enemy? Linear? The part of FL wich deals with gaining money hearts and skills or better to say, the part with the requirements of the girls grows with multiplication. Think about that tale with the rice and the chess board. It does not matter how fast it is growing. That it is growing and old levels become obsolete is the main result of diminishing returns.


Diminishing return is not something implemented in a game, but rather a mathematical problem.

You can farm a bonus of 2,2 in 15 minutes. This will take you about 13 years (!) to get to 1 million time bonus. And with that you will still be far, far away from twins. (And no, getting 22 instead of 2,2 in 15 minutes is no difference. 1,3 years or 13 years are both too big for real play time).The thing is - you can't get 22 instead of 2.2 in 15 minutes due to dates having a fixed time, so you can exactly count your multiplier increase speed and with higher total multiplier it won't increase for long, it will get to a constant one that you can't reduce anymore. And it does not matter how long it will take to get 1 million time bonus because you still have to use optimal resets to get there faster, if you ever want to get there or at least if you want to have a higher bonus than the others who are in the same position.


That you will gain less and less effect from the same resource cost (2,2 constant every 15 minutes very active play) is the diminishing return. Not the reduction of the resource gain itself (2,2 reset bonus).Again. Diminishing returns term can't be used alone. Diminishing returns has two parameters - one that you are trying to increase and the other that you are spending to increase the first one:
Diminishing returns for base multiplier on invested time does not exists.
Diminishing returns for relative multiplier on invested time does exists.

When you are just using a term Diminishing return you are combining those two and it sounds incorrectly. First case (diminishing return of base multiplier on time invested) defines which place you need to farm to progress faster. If it existed then you would have to move to higher levels to increase your gains because lower levels would become obsolete the higher your base multiplier is. Right now because it does not exists 2.2 multiplier per 15 minutes is the most optimal place to farm and it this optimal place does not change. Second case (diminishing return on relative multiplier on time invested) defines the resulting effect of your farming, it slowly diminishes with higher multiplier and you can do nothing about it.


Time warp has no diminishing return, but a capping and slightly increasing costs.
Here you can also see two types of diminishing returns:
Diminishing returns of total multiplier on invested time warps - does not exist because each 8x you buy increases total multiplier by the same 8x.
Diminishing returns of total multiplier on gems invested - exists because cost of each next time warp increases when you have more of them.

ThanatosX
11-25-2017, 01:39 AM
I keep getting matched with unbeatable opponents at rank 25 too, have lost 6 trophies, next loss is a rank drop. Did they change the matchmaking or just more bad RNG.

Unregistered
11-25-2017, 01:52 AM
Bought the 4x.
Costs at 64x: 2x - 70 (56 with discount), 4x - 132 (106 with discount), 8x - 177 (142 with discount).

Also some info about total multiplier:


Character Multiplier MinTimeToUnlock MinTimeToMax
Cherry 0.5 0 20m20s
Lola 0.5 0 40m
Sanshi 1 0 10m40s
Ice 1.5 0 11m
Geeky 2 10m40s 50m40s
Dora 2.5 22m40s 20m40s
Frecly 4 43m 40m20s
Pantress 6 1h3m40s 4h20s
This table may help developing a better plan. Multiplier - max base multiplier that you gain from all 10 scenes of a girl. MinTimeToUnlock - required time in Fake It on other girls before you can unlock the character. MinTimeToMax - required time in Fake It on current girl to complete all 10 scenes (I am not sure about Pantress' long MinTimeToMax as I don't remember waiting this long last time, but she has 4 Take Photo Fake Its and I've written that each one takes 1 hour, will need to check this on next reset).

Maxing fastest two girls (Cherry, Sanshi, Ice) gives 3x in 40 minutes. Another 2.5x in 20 minutes from Dora. So 5.5 in an hour compared to 2.2*4=8.8.

A little better way would be to max Sanshi and Ice in 21 minutes, then Dora in 20 minutes for 5x in 40 minutes or 7.5x in an hour on average. But you will get Frecly and Pantress unlocked and will be able to do few of their scenes (8 for Frecly and 6 for Pantress) that don't require dating (Fake It). So eventually this will give 5+5.1=10x in 40 minutes or 15 in an hour on average, almost twice better than that 15 minutes run. This counts only required Fake It time though, so actual total time will be a little worse than 40 minutes or much worse as it will include those 15 minutes for first 4 girls. Still it will be easier to do than 4 resets at 2.2 when you can do each action except Fake It without waiting for skills/money.

Hornypony
11-25-2017, 04:33 AM
It does not matter how fast it is growing. That it is growing and old levels become obsolete is the main result of diminishing returns.
I assume you speak of Diablo. And yes it absolutely and only depends on how fast it is growing (the XP in relation to Monster Lvl). It grows not fast enough. So they had to force it to give nothing, so old levels are obsolete. If instead the XP would be multiplied each level with 2, the numbers would a) grow so fast that they could not hold it in a standard int variable and b) the older levels would become obsolete without force


The thing is - you can't get 22 instead of 2.2 in 15 minutes due to dates having a fixed time, so you can exactly count your multiplier increase speed and with higher total multiplier it won't increase for long, it will get to a constant one that you can't reduce anymore. And it does not matter how long it will take to get 1 million time bonus because you still have to use optimal resets to get there faster, if you ever want to get there or at least if you want to have a higher bonus than the others who are in the same position.
My point was, that it does not matter, once you reach your own threshold of the diminishing return vs. time spent. And this game combines the reset-increment seen in other idle games with leveling your girls outside the time bonus and not increasing your reset gain substantially the higher the girls get. From 0,5 to 9 over 10 girls? This is laughable for a idle reset game. Plus the time needed for resets is not decreasing because of fake timers and filming scene timers.

And because of pvp you do not even need to compare your time bonus with other player's. Instead your best leveled girl. And leveling a girl gets its own complicated diminishing returns, because oh no no no, you do not compare the level of the girl, but the practiced stats of the girl. The practiced stats are dependent of the lvl of the girl.

So eventually you need a higher tier girl, because you can get her to a higher lvl, wich allows her to get higher stats in a reasonable time.



Again. Diminishing returns term can't be used alone. Diminishing returns has two parameters Maybe it is because English is not my native language. But I think it is rather because I played other idle games like clicker heroes and Zombidle. I know diminishing returns only as a mathematical concept, resulting in certain bonuses becoming obsolete to spend resources on.

Hornypony
11-25-2017, 04:37 AM
but she has 4 Take Photo Fake Its and I've written that each one takes 1 hour, will need to check
The fake timers change. Reason unknown. I am down to 10 minute foto session in tier 2.

Also you now have the option to change the opponent (on 6 hour cooldown. lets bet how long it takes to implement a diamond button to decrease that wait time :-)

ThanatosX
11-25-2017, 05:38 AM
You can whale some extra accessories for the girls now too. Costs diamonds to buy.

Hornypony
11-25-2017, 11:23 AM
Of course, the displayed time that the event would go on for 7 days and some hours was incorrect. Stupid devs. This kind of BS should not happen.

irrimn
11-25-2017, 04:38 PM
The fake timers change. Reason unknown. I am down to 10 minute foto session in tier 2.

Also you now have the option to change the opponent (on 6 hour cooldown. lets bet how long it takes to implement a diamond button to decrease that wait time :-)

Iirc the photo session was always 10 minutes. I'm pretty sure, since I'm one of the people that has been contributing to the wiki since it started. It may just be that you mis-remembered how long it took and thought they lowered it. In any case, looking at the page 'history of changes' on girls that have photo sessions I can see it has always been 10 minutes on the wiki since the pages were made, and has not deviated from that in-game.

Any well, yeah I'm surprised that button wasn't already implemented.

Frost.7
11-25-2017, 07:20 PM
For 100 wins in vs, I got 12 diamonds instead of 15 diamonds.. bug? or Fake rewards??

Unregistered
11-26-2017, 01:10 AM
Iirc the photo session was always 10 minutes. I'm pretty sure, since I'm one of the people that has been contributing to the wiki since it started. It may just be that you mis-remembered how long it took and thought they lowered it. In any case, looking at the page 'history of changes' on girls that have photo sessions I can see it has always been 10 minutes on the wiki since the pages were made, and has not deviated from that in-game.
You missed it. Check the very first page for Pantress on wiki.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited 11-07-2017, 04:05 PM by north:
Scene 8
Body Building: 27
Fake it: 877M 1:00:00
Gifts: 4.4B

So we are not mis-remembering this. It was only for Pantress and may have been a bug that was fixed later.

Shuls
11-26-2017, 08:22 AM
Tbh it seems kinda pointless to put the time it takes filming since it all depends on your multiplyers, like I had one scene from Frecly that took like 8 hours and after a reset now its only 2 hours.

Unless we write down the current multiplyer that we have its just misleading info.

Hornypony
11-26-2017, 12:16 PM
In any case, looking at the page 'history of changes' on girls that have photo sessions I can see it has always been 10 minutes on the wiki since the pages were made, and has not deviated from that in-game. The fake timers are changing. Possibly in some relation to the reset or time bonus or number of times you reached the tier. To post the times in the wiki that early from tier 2 girls, one would have to have an above average time bonus.



So we are not mis-remembering this. It was only for Pantress and may have been a bug that was fixed later. As far as I have seen, the fake times are constant for each tier, but prices go up inside the tier. And after a few resets and possibly due to time warps, the timers are reduced to the next lower tier. Possibly when the game thinks you are "ready" for the tier. If you have to wait days for filming a scene, you are probably not. Tier 3 fake 3 was 6 hours to me, when I first saw it. Not anymore :cool: (but still "years" away from unlocking twins :( )


Tbh it seems kinda pointless to put the time it takes filming since it all depends on your multiplyers, like I had one scene from Frecly that took like 8 hours and after a reset now its only 2 hours.

Unless we write down the current multiplyer that we have its just misleading info. I tried to find a connection with hearts or at least some kind of formulaic growth. No direct connection to hearts. Hearts seem to follow some patterns, but there are irregularities.

And the filming times from the first 3 girls are doubling the time from the previous girl. Ice breaks the pattern and I assume they introduce a new base to multiply for a few girls. I do not know the next breaker girl, if there is one, but these would be the points where the game tries to get you to buy time warps or do many resets or both.

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So. New week, new (old) screwed ranking system/match making. I looked at the best girl of players in the leaderboard with 1000 fame. I could swipe the floor with a lot of them and could not get over 17.

The way I see it, the game matches you with players that are your rank. Ok. But this produces something like traffic jams. If you manage to swoopy away early, you stay ahead. But if you need to sleep or cant play enough early on you get to a bottle neck where all the players are trying to get over big players, that are sitting in the area below 20 but do not have the time to advance further. One step forward, one step back.

It would be better if you would get matched against all players above you too. A higher rank does not prove you have the bigger girl, it just shows, you managed to win against smaller girls more often.

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Does anyone know if the one shot items get depleted when you are attacked?

Hornypony
11-26-2017, 03:14 PM
Okay. I stand corrected. The timers for the fake it actions decrease, but not with time bonus.

Just had a 20 second action on tier3 and a few scenes later for the same girl a 2 hour timer. So it seems the time decreases for the next visit of the scene after a reset. I excpet the next reset, this timer will be 1 hour, and after one more reset 10 minutes.

Shuls
11-26-2017, 05:00 PM
So. New week, new (old) screwed ranking system/match making. I looked at the best girl of players in the leaderboard with 1000 fame. I could swipe the floor with a lot of them and could not get over 17.

The way I see it, the game matches you with players that are your rank. Ok. But this produces something like traffic jams. If you manage to swoopy away early, you stay ahead. But if you need to sleep or cant play enough early on you get to a bottle neck where all the players are trying to get over big players, that are sitting in the area below 20 but do not have the time to advance further. One step forward, one step back.

It would be better if you would get matched against all players above you too. A higher rank does not prove you have the bigger girl, it just shows, you managed to win against smaller girls more often.

I think the last couple days was the worst thanks to the Black Friday and a lot of players spending money on their first day so they have no ranking points and just smash most players on their way up, hopefully it gets better in the next couple days.

I actually got to rank 25 before Black Friday and after Black Friday I went down to 24 and started doing casual because I was getting matched with much stronger players and there was no way for me to go back up so RIP 4 diamonds.

ThanatosX
11-26-2017, 06:01 PM
Only 88 made it to rank 25 both times according to the leaderboard, so you weren't alone. I went down a rank then back up to 25 before I went to bed, woke up and the week had finished. Still would have preferred the extra 30 diamonds I overspent before the sale hit, 3 extra weeks of grinding.

Hornypony
11-27-2017, 05:39 AM
I think the last couple days was the worst thanks to the Black Friday and a lot of players spending money on their first day so they have no ranking points and just smash most players on their way up, hopefully it gets better in the next couple days.
Do not think so. It is like last week. To many players with big hit girls sitting below 20, traffic jam ensues. Would those players just go to 25 and sit there, I would not be matched against them (I still believe you are matched by rank, not fame. Fame would be better). And I estimate it would cost around 200 diamonds to level a girl that high in a day. Having 20k warp, time slots and studios means nothing if you do not level the stats of a girl.


Only 88 made it to rank 25 both times according to the leaderboard, so you weren't alone. The problem is, a lot of those girls are way below my hit girl. How did they manage that? I believe the current system produces bottle necks. If you start a few hours late or have to pause, you will be stuck below the neck.

ThanatosX
11-27-2017, 07:04 AM
At least they gave us a reroll that is super effective if you are on a streak.

Shuls
11-27-2017, 08:47 AM
The problem is, a lot of those girls are way below my hit girl. How did they manage that? I believe the current system produces bottle necks. If you start a few hours late or have to pause, you will be stuck below the neck.

Why do you think I said it was partly because of the black friday? My hit girl only had 15k on speed and strenght and I had 60 stamina at the time I started climbing and thats how I got to rank 25, Black Friday hits and I got matched with 10 whales in a row.

I'm pretty sure matchmaking wasnt only based on rank but since they seem to have changed the formula now it probably is.

Unregistered
11-27-2017, 11:12 AM
Wait, what? My girl have 30k on everything and i cant advance to rank 2. Its impossible to me. In fact thats the reason i stop playing this game.

Shuls
11-27-2017, 03:03 PM
Okay. I stand corrected. The timers for the fake it actions decrease, but not with time bonus.

Just had a 20 second action on tier3 and a few scenes later for the same girl a 2 hour timer. So it seems the time decreases for the next visit of the scene after a reset. I excpet the next reset, this timer will be 1 hour, and after one more reset 10 minutes.

Just fyi the price of the fake its also changes.

We could consider removing from the wiki both the time and price it takes to do fake its and also the time for filming the scenes since all of this is different for everyone.
I also think that the bonus you get for the buildings after each scene might change a bit since I've seen a couple different numbers.

Hornypony
11-27-2017, 03:08 PM
At least they gave us a reroll that is super effective if you are on a streak. You should be able to earn rerolls by friendly matches or reduce cooldown of the reroll. More often than not, I get a opponent that is just as strong or stronger. If I am online and rerolled bad I can do nothing for 6 hours with challenge. Friendly match gives 1/10th money. So I just loose and play more challenges, at least I get the trophy earlier this way. If I am stuck at 15 or 18, I do not see much difference.


Why do you think I said it was partly because of the black friday? My hit girl only had 15k on speed and strenght and I had 60 stamina at the time I started climbing and thats how I got to rank 25, Black Friday hits and I got matched with 10 whales in a row.

I'm pretty sure matchmaking wasnt only based on rank but since they seem to have changed the formula now it probably is. I think we can agreee, they are making it up, as they go and the pvp is far from "good" right now. My hit girl has attributes of about 350k (added together). I keep hitting Twins and Ashley or Girls with 3k hitpoints at rank 17. Same as last week.

Also, I have the impression that stamina is not used as one would think. It's impact is much lower in my expierience. Would it be straight hit points, it would scale with speed and strenght. What I want to say, to beat double hit points you need double damage. Might be a misinterpretation or there is just too much chance in a fight.


Wait, what? My girl have 30k on everything and i cant advance to rank 2. Its impossible to me. In fact thats the reason i stop playing this game. Woot? Traffic jam starts as low as rank 2??

Hornypony
11-27-2017, 03:45 PM
Just fyi the price of the fake its also changes.

We could consider removing from the wiki both the time and price it takes to do fake its and also the time for filming the scenes since all of this is different for everyone.
I also think that the bonus you get for the buildings after each scene might change a bit since I've seen a couple different numbers.
I noticed :). Higher girl will ask more money for same task.

Filming time is different because of total bonus. It can (should) be noted in normalized way. Like 20 000 000 hours / total bonus or something like that. That would be easyly compareable to your individual bonus. If it is higher you have less than an hour. If it is is smaller you have more than an hour. And if the number is longer or shorter, multiply by 10 for each digit. For example, filming time Indira8 is 158 years. That would be 1 383 675 hours / Total bonus and if you have a tb of 1m you can see quickly that it will take longer than an hour, but not by much. (Interesstingly, nowhere is it explained, why the tb reduces filming time. It explicitly states, money hearts and skills.

If the fake price is staying the same across resets for the same scene, I would leave the price. Mabye write a tier number instead of time. Boob Massage (T3), Shoulder Rub (T1) etc.

No clue about buildings. Maybe the bonus from a girl is different if the building was leveled by filming first. Or similar to fake timers, the first time you unlock a girls scene, the bonus is different.

Shuls
11-27-2017, 06:05 PM
I noticed :). Higher girl will ask more money for same task.

I meant that after you reset the game and the time for a fake it is reduced so is the moeny it costs, not that the higher girls cost more because thats kinda obvious.


Filming time is different because of total bonus. It can (should) be noted in normalized way. Like 20 000 000 hours / total bonus or something like that. That would be easyly compareable to your individual bonus. If it is higher you have less than an hour. If it is is smaller you have more than an hour. And if the number is longer or shorter, multiply by 10 for each digit. For example, filming time Indira8 is 158 years. That would be 1 383 675 hours / Total bonus and if you have a tb of 1m you can see quickly that it will take longer than an hour, but not by much. (Interesstingly, nowhere is it explained, why the tb reduces filming time. It explicitly states, money hearts and skills.

We (as far as I know) don't have the formula by wich the time is decided for fake it or filming scenes but if you figured it out already be my guest and post it otherwise thats just conjecture.

As an example of how much of a difference is there between resets, things that took me hours with Frecly now are taking only minutes and my bonuses before and after were 434 and 525.

For all we know it might not even be directly related to the time bonus but instead to how many times you've done the same scene before.

Hornypony
11-28-2017, 03:30 AM
I meant that after you reset the game and the time for a fake it is reduced so is the moeny it costs, not that the higher girls cost more because thats kinda obvious.



We (as far as I know) don't have the formula by wich the time is decided for fake it or filming scenes but if you figured it out already be my guest and post it otherwise thats just conjecture.

As an example of how much of a difference is there between resets, things that took me hours with Frecly now are taking only minutes and my bonuses before and after were 434 and 525.

For all we know it might not even be directly related to the time bonus but instead to how many times you've done the same scene before.

I suscpect, there is a difference between first time and other times for filming as well.

I recently unlocked Indira8 and in the wiki it says Filming Time: 00:16:11 (Game 626,2 * Warp 8192 = 5,13M Total). I have 612k Total and had a time of about 134 minutes (did not write down to the second). Normalized both times come back to 158 years.

However checking this value against the second filming will take some weeks ;)

But if someone resets more often and normalises a filming time of significant digits ( more than 100 seconds would be good) between two resets, we would know if the number of resets has any effect after the suspected difference between first and subsequent times. Still better if done with 2 girls.

Maybe they just cut subsequent filming times by 10 as a little bonus, like the hearts grow after the first unlocking. From hours to minutes sounds like that.

As for the fake it times and prices. The times seem to jump from tier to tier after unlocking first time. Not tested or seen, if tier 3 goes to 2 or directly to 1. So 1h 2h 6h, whatever t2 times are ,20s, 10m, 30m. Price for not completely unlocked indira is 0,5T 1T 3T with t3 times. With already unlocked scene it was t1 times, but I do not remember price or if I unlocked it in one or two resets.

ThanatosX
11-28-2017, 05:03 AM
Don't want to get matched with any of the front page girls with stats in the millions. Home of the whales. Makes the 600k atk girl I keep matching against look laughable.

Unregistered
11-28-2017, 08:19 AM
Match making seems waaaay off. I cannot imagine what 30k to 50k is doing "mid-event" in low brackets.
And gets very weird after that.

Also have some difficulty believing that there should be the number of whales it suggests considering there is no actual reward in the form of event girls, cg, scenes or otherwise. Bot country.

Unregistered
11-28-2017, 08:33 AM
Match making seems waaaay off. I cannot imagine what 30k to 50k is doing "mid-event" in low brackets.
And gets very weird after that.

Also have some difficulty believing that there should be the number of whales it suggests considering there is no actual reward in the form of event girls, cg, scenes or otherwise. Bot country.

Agreed. Artificial stat inflation to push people to spend to try and survive. It's scummy.

Hornypony
11-28-2017, 02:57 PM
Also have some difficulty believing that there should be the number of whales it suggests considering there is no actual reward in the form of event girls, cg, scenes or otherwise. Bot country. Not sure what is considered a whale, but that lunatics who have millions in the stat department definitly are. Other than that, anyone who has twins as a hit girl possibly. 200k+ on every stat is possible if you started training early and did not interrupt training too often for resets. Before challenge event, filming cost 10 energy and you only needed it for unlocking a different animation. So not everyone trained what would become a hit girl (I did not :( ). And with the halloween event you were matched against a lot of untrained girls.

We will see where pvp goes, when these cards are implemented. Coming soon ... :rolleyes:

Shuls
11-28-2017, 03:11 PM
We will see where pvp goes, when these cards are implemented. Coming soon ... :rolleyes:

Right now what PVP needs is balance and I doubt those cards will help since they are probably going to cost diamonds.
Just look at the accesories/jewelery they added in the last update...

I hope Im wrong cause otherwise PVP is gonna go from pay-to-win to pay-to-play.

Unregistered
11-30-2017, 02:18 PM
Game has more ranked players that most other games have players in total, multiplied a couple of times at that.
Obviously thats not possible.

=

Bot Country.

Unregistered
12-01-2017, 06:03 AM
Yeah. There is something fishy going on.
The league is very old now, with just over 1 day left in it.

Yet at rank 5 I have met for the last couple of tries (combined stats) 205k, 80k, 310k, 4K, a spectacular 800k+ and right now a 324k.
I entered the rank with a puny 52k'er.

I dont think traffic jam can explain it at this time, the league is old for this week, those of massive stats should have moved somewhat on, even if having to fight others of massive stats,

So unless there is a bizzare combination of people fanatically training their girls and then not ever using them for anything in the league, it looks off.

Hornypony
12-01-2017, 08:16 AM
Yeah. There is something fishy going on. The "fishy" thing going on is, that you are not matched by rank or fame directly. I have no clue how you are matched. But this week and last week I was matched at least one time against the #1. This player can not loose and has the minimum amount of fights to get to rank 25. I would not believe he takes so long to reach rank 25.

Some week ago it really looked like girls sitting there and blocking the ranks. One step forward, two steps back, because loosing also means loosing winning streak of getting 2 trophies per victory.

Actually I managed to climb to 20 so far, by changing opponents and not breaking winning streak. And sometimes I encountered girls with half my stats after meeting girls with double my stats...

As far as I can tell you might actually be matched against a pool of players who are online and seeking a match themselves or any other random or half random way.

The only thing I can tell for sure, you are not matched against untrained girls, as it was in the halloween event and if you go for a friendly match, you usually get much lower girls.

And an educated guess: you are matched against a spectrum of girls around your hit girl, maybe with no capping upward. At least I never encounter girls with 1/10th my stats, like I do in some friendly matches. Wich yould make sense in the long run, because they want you to use the one shot items. But if you constantly encounter girls far above or below you, you would never need them.

The game is work in progress, so is the pvp system. Not all options are available, of course it is unbalanced.

ThanatosX
12-01-2017, 08:23 AM
I get matched with a lot of the names in the not global rankings, the calendar looking button.

Unregistered
12-07-2017, 01:34 AM
Anyone else having trouble with the league matches showing all empty fields, and no opponent.

Hornypony
12-07-2017, 05:27 PM
Yes. Filling time with friendly matches in the meantime. 1000 wins are a lot for a trophy.

Unregistered
12-08-2017, 03:23 PM
Challenges are predetermined in outcome at load.
So there is no reason to sit through them.

Simply click another option the moment the challenge has loaded, ex. the challenge button too see the result and to move on with live.
Quality of life tip I suppose if one has decided to actually do challenges in the first place

ratini
12-09-2017, 05:58 AM
And what about new costume? I sometimes see Cherry with maid suit. How can I unlock it?

Unregistered
12-09-2017, 06:48 AM
And what about new costume? I sometimes see Cherry with maid suit. How can I unlock it?
It was rewarded in Halloween event. No way to get it now. Somewhere earlier in the thread is a list of some costumes for every character.

ThanatosX
12-14-2017, 11:29 PM
Progress is really slow this week, still can't hit rank 20. Not much time left, and they want us to use challenge charges for an event as well.

Hornypony
12-15-2017, 04:10 AM
I can confirm that. It is unclear how they intend the ranks to distribute. Theoretically almost all girls could reach 25. But in theory almost all girls can get stuck below rank 10 too. And I...

irrimn
12-15-2017, 06:44 PM
On the event, Mistlehoe can not be filmed, right? Thats bad. Stamina 20 is not much to train her stats.

Afaik she can't be filmed so she will always gain 1717 in a stat for training. I suspect that, unless you're either playing 24/7 every 4 hours to constantly train her, or paying to speed up training (5 gems for every 1717 in a stat) then you're probably NOT going to get 15/15 in the event. In otherwords, "Screw F2P players." - the devs, probably.

Unregistered
12-16-2017, 02:33 PM
The changed training time down to 4 hours. Benefits some players and is an disadvantage to others.

On the event, Mistlehoe can not be filmed, right? Thats bad. Stamina 20 is not much to train her stats.[/QUOTE]

There are "-" and "+" buttons to increase and decrease the times now. Didn't notice these buttons right off.

4 hours is the least amount of time you can choose. Time can be increased to 8h, 12h, 16h, and 1 day. Don't know yet if 1 day gives the same benefit or more than 6 - 4 hour sessions, though.

irrimn
12-16-2017, 05:55 PM
I'm still not entirely sure HOW the devs have decided to program what opponent pool the challenges are chosen from, but whatever it is it is clear that it is pretty unbalanced.

I've come up with a system that I think will make it more balanced in terms of actual stats to ability to progress, that would change slowly over time instead of immediately based upon people's progression in the event every week (which may or may not be close to how it's currently calculated, but I doubt it).

The idea would be that all players in the game are divided into 25 groups based on ONE of 2 things (depending on how they want to balance it - based on stats or based on fame). Stats would probably be more balanced but it would also require frequent updating of the tiers whereas fame could just be calculated once a week when it is given out, so for ease of programming the devs would probably use fame (which is fine and I'll explain why it'd still be semi-balanced over-time). Each group would correspond to a tier of the challenge and whenever you initiated the call for it to find an opponent, it would pick a random opponent in the same tier of the challenge as you are. Obviously if groups were divided by stats it would mean you would eventually reach a place that even with RNG being on your side, you would not be able to beat any new opponents because their stat total would be higher than yours (this seems more balanced than what currently happens, since sometimes I'll still face opponents that are vastly under or over me in terms of stat totals).

Dividing the groups by fame would also be balanced given a long enough timeline, as people with high stats but low fame would constantly be able to gain the max amount of fame until they hit a fame tier where people had the same or better stats than them (although that would take weeks if not months for it to trend towards equilibrium - however in the grand scheme this is still considered balanced because high-stat, low-fame players are technically outliers and there would not be that many in the game for long). In order to avoid players that have high stats but don't do challenges (because they left the game or just don't like the pvp), people that didn't participate in the previous week's challenge would not be part of the list that competitors are chosen from (so stale accounts wouldn't even be part of the roster and only active players would count - this does make pvp more dependent on the continued support of a constant player base in order to create the maximum amount of competition). However, in the case where the player base fell significantly enough that pvp wouldn't be viable anymore, the devs would likely abandon the game anyways so that's not really an issue.

In either case, I think dividing the pvp pool in this manner, or even allowing the challenger pool to be +/-1 would allow players to be lucky/unlucky and attain a tier above them sometimes but not enough that really lucky players WILL hit 25 and really unlucky players WONT attain a rank appropriate for their stats (which seems to be the case now, since if you pvp a lot really early in the competition week you can reach a higher rank than you can if you participate later in the competition).

In any case I really hope the devs pay attention to the fact that people think the pvp is unbalanced and that they are doing something about it, if not following this suggestion.

Unregistered
12-17-2017, 09:05 AM
4 hours is the least amount of time you can choose. Time can be increased to 8h, 12h, 16h, and 1 day. Don't know yet if 1 day gives the same benefit or more than 6 - 4 hour sessions, though.No need to experiment, just do the math. It displays how much you will get when you select time. And multiplying by 6 is rather easy.

1 day is much better than 4 hours because you get same amount of stats but there is less downtime unless you can login right after each 4 hour period expires. So there is no reason to choose lower timer unless you know that you won't be able to login at certain time and need to use lower timer to be able to restart it earlier.

Hornypony
12-17-2017, 01:00 PM
I'm still not entirely sure HOW the devs have decided to program what opponent pool the challenges are chosen from, but whatever it is it is clear that it is pretty unbalanced

...

In any case I really hope the devs pay attention to the fact that people think the pvp is unbalanced and that they are doing something about it, if not following this suggestion. Well, pvp is not exactly a finished feature. Those cards are still "coming soon". I assume, you will be able to buy these boost items. After that they will want to balance it in a way that you face opponents roughly your own strength more often than not, so you have a need to use these items. The little bonus these give is laughable if you are not matched against a girl your own strength. Matchmaking is still a mystery to me. You very, very roughly get weaker opponents in lower ranks.


Afaik she can't be filmed so she will always gain 1717 in a stat for training. I suspect that, unless you're either playing 24/7 every 4 hours to constantly train her, or paying to speed up training (5 gems for every 1717 in a stat) then you're probably NOT going to get 15/15 in the event. In otherwords, "Screw F2P players." - the devs, probably. At least you can get presents for girls not currently unlocked. The event will go on for some days, maybe they will boost her stamina halfway through. The other girl seems to be buyable, maybe she can be unlocked in other ways during the event and has higher stamina.

sniddy
12-17-2017, 05:04 PM
as all I see int eh event are 6k+ I don't have time for this - soured me to game a bit

ThanatosX
12-17-2017, 11:31 PM
Ashes put together all the outfits on the discord channel. Should be able to get 4 or 5 with the total event time to train the free elf. Outfits are 70% all stats, Santa doubles his stats each time you win. You should also be able to gift girls you don't have yet too, so you can pick your favourite outfit or future best girl battle costume.

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DShanks
12-18-2017, 11:39 AM
Ashes put together all the outfits on the discord channel. Should be able to get 4 or 5 with the total event time to train the free elf. Outfits are 70% all stats, Santa doubles his stats each time you win. You should also be able to gift girls you don't have yet too, so you can pick your favourite outfit or future best girl battle costume.

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Wait, So, since my fifth attempt is arround 100K stats to beat...
That means the 15th Attempt is at 101,6 M ~ ?!?!

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soviras
12-18-2017, 12:03 PM
Wait, So, since my fifth attempt is arround 100K stats to beat...
That means the 15th Attempt is at 101,6 M ~ ?!?!

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If you think that would be the case... You should probably think about things before assuming the stupid option is true.

Unregistered
12-18-2017, 11:22 PM
If you think that would be the case... You should probably think about things before assuming the stupid option is true.
What's stupid about that? If what previous person said about Santa doubling his girl's stats is true (and looking at 5th battle requirement, it seems true), that's exactly what we will get at 15th battle.
1st - 6.3k/6.3k/6.5k
...
5th - 100.8k/100.8k/105.6k
...
15th - 103.2M/103.2M/108.1M

Unregistered
12-19-2017, 04:32 AM
Those christmas girls are pretty horrible.

art is not everything, but they square with the worst of the girls, instead of the best.
Art progression not looking too hot so far.

In fact it seems to be in regression O_o

soviras
12-19-2017, 09:12 PM
What's stupid about that? If what previous person said about Santa doubling his girl's stats is true (and looking at 5th battle requirement, it seems true), that's exactly what we will get at 15th battle.
1st - 6.3k/6.3k/6.5k
...
5th - 100.8k/100.8k/105.6k
...
15th - 103.2M/103.2M/108.1M

It's stupid because it isn't a realistic scenario. A small amount of common sense would tell you that it won't be that way all the way up to 15. 103-108 mil would be almost 18 times higher than the stats of the number 1 whale. The devs are far from the best in decision making, but they aren't complete morons, and thus wouldn't do something like that.

Observations with a limited scope won't show you the whole picture, and you shouldn't assume the stupid thing just because of incomplete information. Realistically speaking, I doubt it will go over 600k, because that's the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked.

Unregistered
12-20-2017, 03:31 AM
It's stupid because it isn't a realistic scenario. A small amount of common sense would tell you that it won't be that way all the way up to 15. 103-108 mil would be almost 18 times higher than the stats of the number 1 whale. The devs are far from the best in decision making, but they aren't complete morons, and thus wouldn't do something like that.

Observations with a limited scope won't show you the whole picture, and you shouldn't assume the stupid thing just because of incomplete information. Realistically speaking, I doubt it will go over 600k, because that's the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked.
Why is it not realistic (devs requiring payments of $10k is not that unrealistic in ftp games)?
How do you apply common sense in ftp games (common sense would be that devs would try to cover all range of whales from $100 investors, that are barely whales, to $100,000 investors, that have crazy incomes and don't even look at how much they spend on such games)?
How do you know the stats of number 1 whale if you can't see his Mistlehoe (event girl stats are not shown anywhere as far as I know)?
How do you know that those observations were done with a limited scope (the info was given by some Ashes person in Discord and there is no information what it was based on, maybe it was done on full scope)?
Why is 600k is the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked (I can beat 300k in tournament, but only 30k in event, so I don't see how those values are related)?
How is the amount of girls unlocked even connects to event (even if you unlock all girls you may not be using your best one in tournament and even if you didn't unlock any girls at all, you still can upgrade event girl)?
Why do you think that last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings (first 4-5 gifts may be for free players, next 5 for paying players and last 5 for whales of different amount of spending habits)?
You are making so many suggestions based on nothing that you sound stupid yourself.

It's 30 gems/10k for me, to speed up daily training for event girl. So to get 100M in each stat you need 3*100,000/10*30=900,000gems=900*6500 nutaku gold=9*65*100$=$58,500. This does not account for 3 boosts that can be used (20% to each stats from all three, I think are the best) and special costume (another 70%), so actual number can be around $25k. The number looks crazy to me too, but who knows what developers think... And who knows how much whales spend (in Marvel Puzzle Quest, that I played for some time, some whales spent tens thousands dollars on each new character release to max cover and max champ it as soon as possible, so it is not unusual)...

Anyway, that 100m calculation was based on ThanatosX post who mentioned some Ashes person, I have no idea who that is and how reliable is his info or where he got it. Maybe it's a whale who already got everything done, maybe it's a developer, maybe just a person who collected pictures from everyone else and made a suggestion for stat progression based on 2 levels. But anyway, attacking DShanks who didn't make any assumptions and just did calculations based on ThanatosX info was stupid. Either you should have replied to ThanatosX that his info may be incorrect or joined Discord and contacted that Ashes person to find what his info is based on. Right now this is the only piece of info that we have and I, by completing first two levels and seeing stat requirements for next one, can't disprove it yet. I doubt you can too, when all you are relying on is common sense that you don't show any.

Unregistered
12-20-2017, 05:34 PM
I'm curious what is the best way to progress in the game as far as when to reset?

Unregistered
12-20-2017, 07:27 PM
Does anyone know if we get to keep the stupid expensive 65 dollar one? Her level is 300 according to her stats page, so it's not like she'd need any filming training.

Unregistered
12-21-2017, 12:26 AM
I'm curious what is the best way to progress in the game as far as when to reset?
Best way in terms of progress/total time is to reset before you do any 10 minutes Fake it. That will give you about 2 base multiplier in 15 minutes or 8 per hour on average.

Best way in terms of progress/play time is to reset daily at about 20 gained multiplier (you may need 200 base multiplier and some warps to be able to do it in a day, I had 300 base and 64x warp when I started doing this instead of the 1st one). That will give you an average of 0.8 per hour - 10 times less than the first way, but requires much less active time (only 1 reset instead of 24*4=96 per day).

If you have more warps, then there may be another point of reset with best investment of play time. But I still doubt you can beat 8/hour from the first way.

Sometimes you may wish to do a long run to unlock some milestones for girls. Some of them reward you with permanent Energy slots.

Unregistered
12-21-2017, 12:37 AM
Forgot about one more way: Instead of 20 every day you can skip few last unlocks and just reset in 10 hours for 15 or so multiplier. This will allow you to do a single film run too (and previously you could do a 10 hour training session, will have to use 8 hour or 12 hour now), so your girls (only first few though) can gain some progress. Maybe with better stats later you can even fit that 20 multiplier into 10 hour run instead of full day.

I am doing a long run now - instead of resetting in a day, decided to wait few more days for 33 score in some skills, gained at least 6 more new unlocks (3 energy slots from Victoria, few gems) but only 25 to base multiplier. Compared to 20 in a day this is much worse, but it does not hurt much to do it at least once for those unlocks.

ThanatosX
12-21-2017, 03:24 AM
I based the estimate of 4/5 outfits on the total free training for the event netting around 200k of stats, I figured you could go for a 100k/100k/0 build and get lucky for the fifth prize. Any stats past there were moot anyway because the event is limited, Santa could go infinite on battle 6 for all the impact on f2p.

Ashes posted the pic of all the outfits, so I credited them with it.

Hornypony
12-22-2017, 05:48 PM
Does anyone know if we get to keep the stupid expensive 65 dollar one? Her level is 300 according to her stats page, so it's not like she'd need any filming training. Well, at least one player has the other elf listed as his best girl, stats in the 800k. If she is usable outside of events is another question. And to speculate: the devs do not do things strictly on formulas and there are currently 3 tiers of 5 girls each. And there are 15 presents. So maybe difficulty change each 5 presents.

Hornypony
12-22-2017, 06:22 PM
I'm curious what is the best way to progress in the game as far as when to reset? Maybe this will help. Blue is tier 2 fake, red tier 3. The numbers are reset bonus/1000. Lola is 500 only when complete. Last checked maybe a month ago. Game gets patched now and then :-)

But basically, reset if you have to wait too long for money/skills.


Increment Increment Increas to last girl 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total Cherry 8
14 22 30 38 46 54 62 70 78 86 500 Sanshi 16 8 28 44 60 76 92 108 124 140 156 172 1000 Ice 24 8 42 66 90 114 138 162 186 210 234 258 1500 Geeky 32 8 56 88 120 152 184 216 248 280 312 344 2000 Dora 40 8 70 110 150 190 230 270 310 350 390 430 2500 Frecly 64 24 112 176 240 304 368 432 496 560 624 688 4000 Pantress 96 32 168 264 360 456 552 648 744 840 936 1032 6000 Victoria 128 32 224 352 480 608 736 864 992 1120 1248 1376 8000 Cindy 144 16 252 396 540 684 828 972 1116 1260 1404 1548 9000 Emma 176 32 308 484 660 836 1012 1188 1364 1540 1716 1892 11000 Indira 192 16 336 528 720 912 1104 1296 1488 1680 1872 2064 12000

And you will have to balance resets with training time. Make sure to unlock your hit girl b4 logging off and send her to train. As of now your Total bonus gives not the slightest help in challenge. So just unlocking your highest girl and training her and not resetting would be a valid strategy. I tried to change my tier 1 hit girl to a tier 2 girl, but no way. It would probabyl take months to reach her. Sure, the tier 2 girl could reach a way higher stamina and train more stats, but as I just checked, double stamina is not double stat from training. Maybe I try again with a tier 3 girl and parallel train both the new girl and the current hit girl.

Unregistered
12-23-2017, 02:03 AM
but as I just checked, double stamina is not double stat from training.Yes, rough estimate based on my girls seems to show that the formula is something like 1200+26*Stamina for 4 hour best session (or 7200+156*Stamina for 1 day best session). This shows close values (+-0.3%) on my 8 girls that have Stamina < 200 (including event girl) but for last girl, that has 222 Stamina the result is totally different (average gain is around 50 per stamina point instead of 156 when I look at difference between 194 and 222 stamina girls). So there may be reduced gains in training effectiveness after a certain amount of stamina that may or may not depend on girl too. Actual gains after level 200 may be as low as 20 per Stamina point because I am comparing with 194 instead of 200 now (and 200 is just a theoretical breakpoint, actual one can be anywhere between 194 and 222), so there are few levels with 156 that lead the average value further away from the actual one.

My best girls are:
Ice - 222 Stamina - 38892 per 1 day session
Pantress - 194 Stamina - 37380 per 1 day session
Frecly - 179 Stamina - 35040 per 1 day session.

Upgrading Stamina for Ice slowed down to 1 point per 2 movies. Pantress and Frecly still gain 2-3 points per each movie, so they are slowly catching up. I am also training Pantress as my second best girl but she is still at least few months behind the Ice because she needs to catch up on stamina first before she starts lowering the distance between them (Ice: 563k/349k/218k, Pantress: 255k/156k/72k). I have not completed any girl past Pantress yet, so when I finally do they will have a much harder time to get to the same level as Ice and Pantress.

Hornypony
12-23-2017, 03:03 AM
Upgrading Stamina for Ice slowed down to 1 point per 2 movies. Pantress and Frecly still gain 2-3 points per each movie, so they are slowly catching up. What I noticed, the films sold increase as the girl gets bettter (I do not know if due to more films filmed in one session or due to stamina). Of course, the films needed for each level increase too, and faster at that. The game autoselects the lowest lvl position for you but due to quantum effect (ha ha) the output in stamina might be 0 for lower lvl position and 1 for higher position. Example: pos1=0 of 90, pos2=50 of 100, films sold=80. That give 0 stamina on pos1 but 1 stamina on pos2. And if next lvl of pos2=30 of 110, it still gives 1 stamina with 85 films sold.

Unregistered
12-23-2017, 03:24 AM
What I noticed, the films sold increase as the girl gets bettter (I do not know if due to more films filmed in one session or due to stamina). Of course, the films needed for each level increase too, and faster at that. The game autoselects the lowest lvl position for you but due to quantum effect (ha ha) the output in stamina might be 0 for lower lvl position and 1 for higher position. Example: pos1=0 of 90, pos2=50 of 100, films sold=80. That give 0 stamina on pos1 but 1 stamina on pos2. And if next lvl of pos2=30 of 110, it still gives 1 stamina with 85 films sold.
Leveling does not depend on movies sold directly, it depends on room where movies were shot. First room gives 500 exp, second 25% more (625 exp), third 50% more (750 exp),... , last room that costs 100 gems according to description is 350% more (2250 exp). So you always gain same exp per session if you use a girl in the same room.

At level 58 skill requires 1.2k exp to progress so to gain 1 Stamina from it you need to have at least 2 sessions in the third room.

Hornypony
12-23-2017, 04:02 AM
Yes, rough estimate based on my girls seems to show that the formula is something like 1200+26*Stamina for 4 hour best session Over 200 it seems to be something near 5400+4.8*Stamina. Under 200 it would be 1200+25.92*Stamina for my girls. But who knows where the game uses floating point numbers and when it would actually round the numbers or just display them rounded.

Hornypony
12-23-2017, 04:12 AM
Leveling does not depend on movies sold directly, it depends on room where movies were shot. First room gives 500 exp, second 25% more (625 exp), third 50% more (750 exp),... , last room that costs 100 gems according to description is 350% more (2250 exp). So you always gain same exp per session if you use a girl in the same room.

No. You level stamina by leveling positions. Your stamina is the sum of all positions. You lvl positions with films sold. Films sold in better rooms increase, correct.

But you also increase films sold in the same room with the same girl if you shoot another movie. Just look at the number of films sold when you collect the movie and then at the number if you send the same girl again. It is higher. Not high enough to compensate for the increase in position lvl cost, but it is higher.

And I do not know, if it is due to stamina, number of filming sessions, time spent in the studio, total films sold, etc. If it were due to number of films, the short filming sessions would become more interessting, also not resetting.

Unregistered
12-23-2017, 07:05 AM
No. You level stamina by leveling positions. Your stamina is the sum of all positions. You lvl positions with films sold. Films sold in better rooms increase, correct."You lvl positions with films sold." - this part is incorrect. You gain a fixed amount of exp for selected position that depends on room, not the amount of films sold. Amount of films sold increases with higher Stamina but only affects amount of experience that Industry where you sell those films gain. Girl that gets a 10h movie done in first room will always get 500 exp to her selected position.


But you also increase films sold in the same room with the same girl if you shoot another movie. Just look at the number of films sold when you collect the movie and then at the number if you send the same girl again. It is higher. Not high enough to compensate for the increase in position lvl cost, but it is higher.Just look at actual numbers of experience required for each position and check how much you gain with each movie. It will be the same every time.

Hornypony
12-23-2017, 10:33 AM
You gain a fixed amount of exp for selected position that depends on room, not the amount of films sold. Amount of films sold increases with higher Stamina but only affects amount of experience that Industry where you sell those films gain. The rooms increase "Films sold". The girls get more stamina in better rooms, so either films ARE exp for the girls or the exp is increased too, but this fact is not written on the buy tag for the rooms.

The numbers would be in the right area. Currently waiting for Lola in room 1. She has two pos and with one I get a lvl of stamina with the other position not. And I have 218/563, so with the 500 mentionend, that would be a lvl up. Will check later the number of films sold and the new lvl up requirement.

Unregistered
12-23-2017, 12:33 PM
The rooms increase "Films sold". The girls get more stamina in better rooms, so either films ARE exp for the girls
This is what I expected too in the beginning: that the amount of films sold is the experience that is gained by position. But I started doubting this when all positions upgraded by the same amount first time I tried them. Even though by the time I got to the last position I got a lot of stamina from the others already, so was making more films compared to when I started upgrading the girl.



or the exp is increased too, but this fact is not written on the buy tag for the rooms.
This seems to be correct. The room bonus for exp is the same as for films sold but it is not mentioned on room tag.

When I was doing this test myself my three tests were:
1: Ice (173) in room 3: sold 819 films and upgraded position from 544/683 to 611/717 (611+683-544=750).
2: Ice (174) in room 3: next time she made 822 films and upgraded position from 611/717 to 644/752 (644+717-611=750).
So even though there were 3 more films, exp gained by position remained the same.
3: Sanshi in room 2: sold 518 films and upgraded position from 392/789 to 228/828 (228+789-392=625).
I also did a test for 1st room but didn't write it down, because it was already obvious how it behaves. Just got a base value of 500 from it and stopped testing.


The numbers would be in the right area. Currently waiting for Lola in room 1. She has two pos and with one I get a lvl of stamina with the other position not. And I have 218/563, so with the 500 mentionend, that would be a lvl up. Will check later the number of films sold and the new lvl up requirement.If this theory is correct then she should have 155/- after completing the movie. Will wait for your results.

Hornypony
12-23-2017, 08:55 PM
But I started doubting this when all positions upgraded by the same amount first time I tried them.
The numbers inside the positions are written too small for me to read comfortably on my display :p Since the gain is the same order of magnitude with films and position exp I never had reason to doubt, that the films sold are the exp gained. After all, you can purchase rooms with diamonds, and what good developer would tell you misleading information about the effects of your purchase :rolleyes:

then she should have 155/- after completing the movie. Will wait for your results. She has. Films sold was about 3 or 400 something. Didn't care. Main money income is challenges for me.