What should i use Flower Gems for?

[Neison]

I know about the Gacha, but is it even worth using? Should I be using Flower Gems to upgrade my Unit and Equipment storage instead?

I ask this because rolling a 5* from gacha seems worthless as you get 5*'s from events with dress blooms and skill blooms, and sometimes even equipment. The only reason I could even fathom on rolling Gacha is for a 6* which even without equips would be higher than Event 5*'s. But at 0.5% chance, even rolling 50 gems for 11 chances, only give about a 5.5% probability of a 6*.

Am I wrong to think this way? Is there something I'm missing?

(I already have my waifu, my good ol' 3* Jasmine)

[Unregistered]

Well... I think event girls stats are dumbed way down so that they're barely 5 stars. While you should use some FG on girl and equipment slots, i think until you have a solid crew, the gacha isn't worthless. (unless you roll silvers and bronze all the time like me on DMM).

[Neison]

Well... I think event girls stats are dumbed way down so that they're barely 5 stars. While you should use some FG on girl and equipment slots, i think until you have a solid crew, the gacha isn't worthless. (unless you roll silvers and bronze all the time like me on DMM).

So looking at Event.Ficaria(/wiki/Lesser_Celandine) vs Rolled.Sarcandra(/wiki/Chloranthus)

Sarcandra
HP: 15782 ATK: 6758 DEF: 3334

Ficaria
HP: 14516 ATK: 6122 DEF: 2204

I see that indeed the Rolled.Sarcandra does have higher stats at max level(which you cant achieve Bloomed on either yet) but with only 1 slot open for Sarcandra and 4 slots open for Ficaria, Putting the equipment set awarded during the event will greatly over power the Rolled.Sarcandra. I haven't Stat checked every 5* vs Event Girl but after checking a few I came to the epiphany that Gacha rolling is legit garbage.

But if you have reasons that will convince me otherwise. Please help me!

[Sinister]

Abilities generally matter much more than stats using your example Ficaria 2 abilities are mehish. Hp heal on pest nodes is only really useful on specific levels(like 12-5) and very little use on most other levels. WHile the -5% atack miss could be good with a specific dodge heavy team with other debuffs.

Sarcanda +10% attack for all squad members is really good(with a full squad of knights with 6k plus attack thats like a +3k att bonus in total) and medium dodge can gives a lot more survivability.

I fell you should use gems to upgrade storage intill you feel you have enough than use the rest for 10+1 gatchas. While they say the drop rate is only .5% its actually seems MUCH higher recently. I think i have rolled rainbows in 6 of my last 7 10+1 pulls along with about 25 golds.

[Volarmis]

Personally, I use the FGs only for the gacha and storage expansions, with the first one having a higher priority. I expand only when I'm no longer comfortable with needing to sell something to make enough room to start a new mission. I use only the FGs found in the game - I'm not buying any.

The thing is, you want to have as many 5*+ knights as you can get.

In missions like the national ones or the whale ship ones you'll need a lot of stronger girls. The units below 5* may be enough at the start, but when the missions get harder, they'll need to be replaced by stronger ones.

Additionally, this is a game based on collecting different units. :p Since we have quite a number of different characters with their own voices and quirks, I'd think not using the gacha is kind of a waste.

Other than that, the Nutaku gacha got unofficially buffed, so it's easier to get good units off it compared to the original DMM one. It's actually one of the few (if not the only) advantages this version has over the other.

[Taon]

The answer to the OP's question depends on the answer to another question: are you willing to spend money on this game?

If yes, then the flower gems have significantly more value for expanding your inventories and refreshing stamina (not raid points since they regenerate fairly quickly).

If no, then the only way you're going to get the better performing/higher stat girls is to play the gacha and yes, you should use FGs for it.

The event girls are fine for a good while when starting out and a few of the event girls can hold their own or better against many gacha 5* (Edelweiss, Lavender for instance), but for the most part, event girls aren't as strong as the gacha 5* if you disregard the equipment slots with one caveat: if you're not spending money on the game, then you're not likely getting any dressblooms which means the only way to build gacha girls skills/equipment slots is to fuse dupes and that is going to take a -long- while to do so.

[Unregistered]

i only use FGs for gacha and character expansion. expand characters for every 5 new girls i get, and since i get 5 FGs for maxing their affections, that's 4 extra FGs to go towards gacha.

[Neison]

So I've decided that though Event girls are better in the short run, Gacha would be more useful in the long run because I would eventually come across dupes while doing it. Also as Volarmis reminded me Whale mission exist. I was only thinking about getting a solid team of 20, and forgot I needed more for Whale. But here are my responses to each reply I hadnt gotten to yet.

Sinister
I didn't account for abilities in my calculations. I do agree that abilites are needed and that some Event 5*'s abilities suck. Thank you for the information, I'll look more into abilities of both event and Gacha Girls


Volarmis
I completely forgot about the whale honestly. And Gacha is the best way to get to doing whales sooner. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Taon
I can't agree that gacha 5*s are "stronger" than Event girls. I mean, yes, if you disregard the fact that event girls have 4 slots and lv.5 skills, then a Max level gacha 5* 1 slot lv.1 skill would be stronger by pure base stats.

Guest
Hello and welcome, be it a guest or someone that just decided not to log in.
Taking in account that each new girl can give 3FG's because of 2nd affection, I can see how this system can be quite useful.

[Taon]

Taon
I can't agree that gacha 5*s are "stronger" than Event girls. I mean, yes, if you disregard the fact that event girls have 4 slots and lv.5 skills, then a Max level gacha 5* 1 slot lv.1 skill would be stronger by pure base stats.

That's precisely why I said gacha 5*s are stronger, not only by pure base stats but more importantly their abilities; the only edge most event girls have are the initial dress/skill slots; most gacha 5*'s with full slots will outperform event 5*s. You can take a gacha 5* to full slots, you can't take an event girl to better stats/skills.

[Neison]

...and for the most part, they are stronger by not only pure base stats but more importantly by skills. The only edge most event girls have are the initial dress/skill slots; most gacha 5*'s with full slots will outperform event 5*s; this isn't even debatable.

I agree,
But rolling 3 extra 5* dupes from gacha is a low probability. I wouldn't argue the fact that rolling a 5* would be stronger in the long run. I am arguing that using gacha to get 5*'s was a waste of FGems (which i now understand is not). However, being that as it may, 5* event's will continue to be stronger than a 5* gacha whom have only 1-2 slots. Yes, you could take the equipment that you get from the event and put it on a 5* gacha girl, but unless they have 2+ equipment slots open, those equipments would be better spent on the Event girls. Yes the gacha pool has girls with better Abilities, but it also has ones with just as bad or even worse abilities as some Event girls. Without Dupes 5* gacha girls will never beat Event 5*s.

TL:DR : I agree, if Gacha 5* has 2+ equipment slots.


*UPDATE*
So decided to roll gacha, because yea Gacha isnt a waste of Flower gems.
7301
Gacha is garbage.

[Zandel]

You did just roll 2 of the best 4* in the game tho... for a new player that is not terrible.

Also on the gatcha vs Event girls debate. With 100% affection or even 2nd affection now the stat difference becomes very noticeable also most event girls not only have weaker passives but also weaker active skills making that lvl 5 skill not as good as it first seems.

Example to back up statement:

Gentian Event Girl vs Hop Gatcha Girl

12224 / 5484 / 2426 / +3% atk for each nest up to 12% / -10% skill rate for 2 enemies / 20-30% skill chance at 2.2x single target damage

13672 / 6728 / 2466 / medium dodge / +1-15% atk based on affection / 28-37% skill chance at 2.4x single target and HP Drain

They are both slice girls, both single target. Hop starts with 28% skill chance and Gentian ends at 30% with rank 4 being 27%.

1 Equip slot = +1800 stats at max equip level
4 Equip slot = +5600 stats at max equip level

so 3800 more stats from equip but Hop is already +2700 up in stats... so over all you get +1100 in stats with bad passives and a worse activate skill that doesn't heal.

TL;DR: Apart from 3-4 of the first event girls, Gatcha girls are better to have. Only time this is wrong is if they have an OP passive like Geranium and her 1.2x skill activation chance.

[Neison]

4*s are of zero help to my team other than I guess Whale missions which I still would not be strong enough to accomplish with them.
I currently have 3 4*'s and 4 3*'s in my team, which I am trying to get rid of, and I already have 9 5*'s to replace them, once I can get the 4*s and 3*s low enough to push them out:
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P.S. I just collected my 58th day log in reward... Does that still count me as a new player?

[Zandel]

Well I just collected my 550th a few days ago.... so I guess it does lol.

[Ghostmon]

Neison: OMGz you haz Treasure Flower and Rose, gimme them, I wants it -__-

Anywho, you can only increase capacity so much. Eventually you'll have a surplus of FGs, I say heck with it and roll some Gatchas, that's half of the fun of the game. Or save 'em if there's a specific event coming up in which a girl you want is going to be there. Tho I'm having same issue, save FGs or use them, RNG is a b**ch, just something all of us need to live with.

[Volarmis]

So decided to roll gacha, because yea Gacha isnt a waste of Flower gems.
7301
Gacha is garbage.

Bad luck on that one, but don't get discouraged.
As I've mentioned, the rates for good rolls on Nutaku seem to be higher than on DMM (from my own experience).
Considering that, this roll of yours was just unlucky.
Well, in the end it is a roll of the dice.

[Unregistered]

It depends. Sometimes I buy expansions as needed. Often times I use them for stamina refils to farm certain things needed. Sometimes I do a 5 gem pull and regret it. Once in a while I go for a period of time not using them at all and save up for a 10+1 pull.

Most of them do go for stamina refils tho. Right now I'm using them to refil stamina and farm presents. I have a weird desire to max all the girls, even ones I don't use. A waste perhaps but oh well.

[Rampage]

Consider how rare FG are, it also depends on if you planning to play long time, if not then really just spend them on gacha, if not, then soo many decisions

Long term playing considerations

Even just collecting event girls only your going to get alot of girls, so you eventually have to expand unit capacity, so might as well spend a few.
More event girls means you will need equipment capacity, so same thing might as well make room.
although I ahve not hit the unit maximum capacity or the equipment maximum capacity, you do need to spend a few currrently 220 for gear and 300 for girls.

Whale missions have been mentions, but if you look at rewards, i do with spare stamina and am after the exclusive items, BUT they seem permanent, so no rush, also need blooming mats, but you can consider later if your starting/young account.

Gacha rolls, is really personal choice, i like collecting girls, i consider it part of the game, i do spend money on this game, but certianly not a full whale spender, but for the thread, spend the FG if you see a knight in a event Gacha you would like a chance of rolling, but NEVER roll on the premium gacha. if you want a second chance at a event Gacha, wait for a re-issue, collecting FG while waiting.

personally i never spend FG on stamina or Raid points, Stam might be worth while at laters levels, but certianly NEVER with a low level account.
Raid points might be for a event, but have not had to do so yet.

Lastly the discussion about event girls vs gacha girls, my view is event girls are better, not worrying about stats, but it does come down to gear, gear does become really important, even event items are huge increase, so yea, if you think you get a Gacha girl with 4 equipment slots, then they are more powerful than a event girl, but if your not spending cash, and not a fortune teller, then getting that gacha girl with 4 slots is not going to happen happen, you will get duplicates, but your not going to know which dupes, so i would not plan around something you have NO control over.
IF you manage to get knights with more equipments slot, you can always just level them up, knowing you will need the old knight for whale missions, remember whale missions need 40 knight.

[Zandel]

Consider how rare FG are, it also depends on if you planning to play long time, if not then really just spend them on gacha, if not, then soo many decisions

Long term playing considerations

Even just collecting event girls only your going to get alot of girls, so you eventually have to expand unit capacity, so might as well spend a few.
More event girls means you will need equipment capacity, so same thing might as well make room.
although I ahve not hit the unit maximum capacity or the equipment maximum capacity, you do need to spend a few currrently 220 for gear and 300 for girls.

Whale missions have been mentions, but if you look at rewards, i do with spare stamina and am after the exclusive items, BUT they seem permanent, so no rush, also need blooming mats, but you can consider later if your starting/young account.

Gacha rolls, is really personal choice, i like collecting girls, i consider it part of the game, i do spend money on this game, but certianly not a full whale spender, but for the thread, spend the FG if you see a knight in a event Gacha you would like a chance of rolling, but NEVER roll on the premium gacha. if you want a second chance at a event Gacha, wait for a re-issue, collecting FG while waiting.

personally i never spend FG on stamina or Raid points, Stam might be worth while at laters levels, but certianly NEVER with a low level account.
Raid points might be for a event, but have not had to do so yet.

Lastly the discussion about event girls vs gacha girls, my view is event girls are better, not worrying about stats, but it does come down to gear, gear does become really important, even event items are huge increase, so yea, if you think you get a Gacha girl with 4 equipment slots, then they are more powerful than a event girl, but if your not spending cash, and not a fortune teller, then getting that gacha girl with 4 slots is not going to happen happen, you will get duplicates, but your not going to know which dupes, so i would not plan around something you have NO control over.
IF you manage to get knights with more equipments slot, you can always just level them up, knowing you will need the old knight for whale missions, remember whale missions need 40 knight.

Number wise you do not need to get 4 slots on a gatcha girl to be better then an event girl, 2 is enough to out pace the stats of a 4 equip event girl. As for the rest, we already know that gatcha girls are better in both skills and passives. Still free content is free content and I must admit to liking a lot of the event girls by looks and personality.