Miracle ticket thread

[dreamlitz]

Wanted to add some details in case you're wondering why AutoCrimson's suggestions are solid.


SMy secondary is Light( with Michael(Aw), Sol(Aw), Light Nike, Diana/Demeter. Like I said earlier, I want to grab SSR Artemis to speed up my Shadow Gem farming. Is she my best option or should I go with someone else? - No Managarmr either

SSR Arty is valued for her A frame def down and nuke. Lugh has the even rarer C frame def down, nukes harder and bursts faster. Tish has B frame atk/def/rst down, has a skill that significantly increases TA, which helps speed up the slowest member of the team so you can burst faster, which can mean that adding Tish actually adds more dps than adding SSR Arty despite Tish not nuking as hard. Tish also has a single target full heal that is just an awesome emergency button for when consecutive DATA procs on the same character.

Also, if you find that battles often end before turn 11 such that Light Nike isn't really adding much value to the team, consider switching her for Diana, who has A frame def down and will stack with Tish and Lugh but not with SSR Arty.


The only 100% eido I have is Hraesvelg but I'm not sure what kind of team I can build with Titania, El, and Aether.

El sucks on her own, but can make a decent berserk build if you have Morgan. There are two routes you can go with this:

A. mtix Gaia as suggested by AutoCrimson and awaken her. Ex Morgan's guard skill and cast it on Gaia after her own guard expires but when her invulnerability is still up. Titania, Aether and El will all speed up the team so you should be bursting often to reset El's 2nd ability CD for HP and fortitude. Morgan can heal El as a last resort. Your goal is to keep El alive for Morgan's second rampage.

B. go full glass cannon and go with AutoCrimson's Azazel suggestion. After the first rampage and FB, you can just let El die - teamwide guaranteed DATA with rampage is a ton of damage, even if it's just 1T and is particularly good for debuff resistant stuff. Also, against thunder, this is teamwide DATA rampage with critical chance from Aether, do not underestimate that.

[Unregistered]

So I've been dead set on getting SSR Artemis using the upcoming MT for a while now but I'd love to hear you guys' input, if you don't mind that is.

My primary team is Dark with Satan(Aw), Hades(Aw), SSR Amon, Agaliarept, Osiris, and Thanatos. - No Anubis, unfortunately.
My secondary is Light( with Michael(Aw), Sol(Aw), Light Nike, Diana/Demeter. Like I said earlier, I want to grab SSR Artemis to speed up my Shadow Gem farming. Is she my best option or should I go with someone else? - No Managarmr either

Both my Fire and Water grids are decent too. Sadly, neither have 100% eidolons as well
Fire: Ares(Aw), Uriel(Aw), Dakki, Amaterasu, Fire Sol, and Yamaraja
Water: Saraswati, Ea(Aw), Ryu-oh, SSR Nike, Shiva

The only 100% eido I have is Hraesvelg but I'm not sure what kind of team I can build with Titania, El, and Aether.

Might as well add Thunder: Marduk, Jupiter, Fodla, Gryla/Kingu - Could be decent if I awakened Marduk?

If your wind grid is decent, I would go with wind simply because of Hraes, pick up Gaia or Cu/Azazel for their future aw. If your wind grid isn't very good yet, you can just delay this until later while you work on it.

If you want to improve dark further, Pluto/Berith are decent choices, but committing to dark without Anubis isn't really recommended.

To improve light, definitely pick Tish now, Lugh next. SSR Arty is about to be phased out by Lugh/Iris unfortunately.

Fire wants Svarog, Water wants Vohu, Thunder could use Raiko/Baal U (or Dian if you mean the next next MTix).

[Unregistered]

Thanks for the input guys, I'm glad I asked. I'll definitely grab Lugh if she's available in the MT, Tish if not.

Unfortunately, my wind grid is my 2nd worst grid, so it's gonna take a while for it to catch up. I might just wait til the next MT to figure out what to do with the grid. Maybe it'll be pretty good by then.

[Argo]

Huh. I was expecting Lugh to be available for this ticket too, but I guess not. Welp. Now I don't know who to go for.

On the one hand, I think my Fires mostly just need Svarog, and maybe Amon. My Waters I think just need Cthulu. I think Pluto and Hades were recommended for my Darks...but then my Winds recently got Hraesvelgr, so there's a case to be made for starting on them, too, even though they're currently shit. Argh...I'm gonna need help for this one.

Water SSRs: Ea, Nike Unleashed, Ashera, Ryu-Oh, Sarasvati.

Fire SSRs: Uriel Awakened, Ares, Acala, Mars, Beelzebub.

Dark SSRs: Satan Awakened, Amaterasu, Osiris, Chernobog, Thanatos, Kali, Svarog.

Thunder SSRs: Brahma, Mammon, H.Michael.

Wind SSRs: Gaia Awakened.

Any thoughts? Dark is probably my second-best team right now after Light, but I think I'm leaning towards Fire or Water for this one. I could be swayed, though.
While my Winds may have Hraesvelgr now, I have invested extremely little into them and they are easily my worst team and least developed weapon grid. I'd essentially be starting from scratch with them, and I don't wanna. Didn't even get Gaia without a Miracle ticket last year, and I only did it solely so my Winds could at least have a single SSR. You'd have to really push hard for me to bother with them at this point.

[QXZ]

need some help.

i have Pluto / Hades / Satan AW. who should be my 4th? Berith or Agalia, if this is for LRag? (not to be confused wth LUlt)

[Wolfheinirich]

Here is my current lineup:
Fire: Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, AW Uriel, Sonsaku, Amaterasu, EoH Beelzebub and Ra
Water: Vohu Manah, Shiva, Ryu-Oh, Saraswati, Cthulhu, Poseidon, Celia, Water Osiris, Aphrodite, Ea and Nike U
Wind: Cu hulainn, Odin, Titania, Azazel, Hastur, Set, Aether and Cybele U
Thunder: Mammon, Jupiter, Athena, TW Michael, Marduk, LF Aphrodite and CT Ryu-Oh
Light: Tishtrya, Frey, Metatron, MM Tsukuyomi, Michael AW, Sol AW, Vishnu, Eros, Raphael and Atum
Dark: Susanoo, Satan AW, Thanatos, Nephthys, Berith, Amon U, Osiris, Chernobog, Hades and Samael.

Vohu and Cu came to me recently on some single rolls, filling some gaps on Water and Wind since I put my last mtix on Tish. I wonder which element I should invest in next.

Thanks in advance.

[Slashley]

Sooo... for the first time in a long, long while, I actually have no idea who to spend my MT on. This goliath of a post is mostly to sort out my own thoughts, but if anyone can chime in with some advice, that'd be all the better.

Elements in order of preference:
Thunder:Current team: Brahma, Mammon, Raiko, Thor
Bench warmer SSRs: Justitia, Tyr

Simply put, I am a full Thunder baka because I just find it so much fun to play. Namely, playing with Phantom Elemental Lord Thor. I also find Brahma great fun to play with, since despite being unreliable, she's out of this world when things line up right. Raiko is an amazing backbone for any party, so I don't want to part with her either.

Minmax reasons would drop Thor, sure, but for me, Mammon is the only replaceable because of FUN reasons. And the only real replacement for her would be SSR Baal. And because she doesn't seem fun at all to play with (90s debuff? You might increase Thor's chances even more, but fuck off), I'm not really very interested in spending the MT for Thunder.

I guess I should mention that in theory I'd be interested in Marduk, due to being an overall powerhouse. Still, with Thor in the party, she'd be rough to fit in. There's also Athena, who has her (strong) niche uses and most importantly, I like to spend my bricks on Thunder weapons, and her FLB is just nuts. And last, but certainly not least, none of my teams have a fucking healer (Light doesn't count, more about that later). As such, Dian would allow me to do content where being defensive would be ideal. That's not ever ideal, but uh, I do like to play defensive teams because it is fun. And I simply can't at the moment.
Wind:Current team: Titania, Odin, SSR Cybele, Hastur
Bench warmer SSRs: Gaia

I won't lie, the reason why Wind is so high on this list right now is because of Thunder Rag. As I am farming like crazy to get Thunder Magnas.

So, I'm lacking Cu. Her job is done by Odin by now, but once Cu gets her Awakening, she'd be just a direct upgrade. As mentioned on Thunder side, I'm badly lacking in healers, and Set in combination with Gaia would absolutely be bonkers for a defensive team. But perhaps most importantly, I'm lacking Azazel - the future backbone of all Wind teams. The problem is... current Azazel is shit. Utter garbage, even. Her Awakening isn't until 3.5 months later! I'll probably need her if I am to keep farming Thunder Magnas though, since once the initial Thunder Rag rush dies down, it'll be a bitch to kill. Still, if I decide on Azazel, with 3.5 months, I can just... not buy a Miracle Ticket until the Awakening is close and get her all the way then. Or maybe even use the next Ticket on her.
Dark:Current team: Pluto, Susanoo, Samael, Chernobog
Bench warmer SSRs: Osiris

Dark is my go-to element for stuff like Sunday Accessory quest. Mostly just because of full FLB Grid and the insane amount of HP it has, I guess. Once I've "completed" my Wind Grid for Thunder Tower, it'll be time to change my Dark Axe Grid to a Hammer Grid. It won't be full FLB anymore, but it should pack a way bigger punch.

Anyway. Samael sucks ass. I guess the replacement would be Satan/SSR Amon, probably Satan.
Water:Current team: Cthulhu, Ryu-Oh, Snow Raphael, Asherah
Bench warmer SSRs: Shiva, Saraswati, Poseidon

I love playing Water. The current problem is, other Grids are FLB'd, but Water is not. Still, it's fun to play, even if my HP and damage output sucks ass at the moment. Modernizing my Water Grid is coming up after Dark Grid is where I want it to be.

So, as I've mentioned twice before, I'm short on healers. Aphrodite/SSR Nike could take care of that. Meanwhile, Vohu would entirely change my gameplan as I could bring Saraswati with her and get an actually fast Water team.
Fire:Current team: Uriel, Ares, Mars, Amaterasu
Bench warmer SSRs: Acala, Yamaraja

Don't really like Fire, but if I went for it, then it'd be Svarog without question. And in the next MT, that'd kinda default me into Vahagn I guess.
Light:Current team: none
Bench warmer SSRs: Sol, Frey, Shamash, SSR Artemis, SSR Tsukuyomi
So, problem with Light is that I didn't have a Light team for the longest, longest, LONGEST time. First MT I spent on Sol, and then I didn't draw a single Light SSR for... like 1.5 years? Then I suddenly got Frey and Shamash, followed up by SSR Artemis and SSR Trukuyomi. The latter two in particular should make the whole team work buuuuuut... well, my Grid is beyond awful. There was a point where I quit the game for ~4 months, and during this period they launched GO (so I'm still catching up to the Ori to this day) and a lot of Light events with Assault/Defender weapons. Before I quit, my mostly-SR, full slvl20 Light Grid was quite alright, but by modern standards, it is GOD AWFUL. So awful that with Sol and SR team, I can't even clear AQ5 last boss Rage timer, even when using PF!! And that's fucking amazing considering what a joke AQ5 is for me otherwise, even for my out-of-date Water Grid that I use to clear the very same Dark AQ5. Well, now that I've pulled other Light SSRs I'm pretty sure I could easily do it (especially because Frey is a thing against Rage bars). Anyway, I won't be able to focus on my Light Grid for a long, long time.

And that's fine, since I'm not really interested in spending my MT on Light anyway. I lack both of the cores available - Michael and Tish. If ever pulled one of those - or upcoming Lugh - then I guess spending on Light would be worth it. But for now, fuck Light. Oh, and honorable mention for Take, I guess.

... welp, even after all that, I'm still lost.
I... I guess I'll just wait for the next three months and pull Azazel if I come up with nothing better? Who knows, maybe I'll pull a P2W Eidolon in the meantime which would make the choice easy, hahaha!

[AutoCrimson]

Dark SSRs: Satan Awakened, Amaterasu, Osiris, Chernobog, Thanatos, Kali, Svarog.

what? we have dark Svarog?
anyways, i'd go with Svarog for fire

and Slashley, im no u, but Marduk/Azazel

[Argo]

what? we have dark Svarog?
anyways, i'd go with Svarog for fire


Dammit, I meant Samael!

So that's one Svarog suggestion so far.

[Unregistered]

Wind...Set

In my experience Titania + Gaia + Set makes for a solid Thunder Rag core. Gaia and Set will keep you in the fight for quite awhile and Titania will keep them reasonably fast.

Now, for my own problems. These are in no particular order:

Fire:
Current SSR: Acala, Amaterasu, Ares, Dakki, Mars, Prometheus, Ra, Svarog, Yamaraja.
This would be Uriel. I have every non-limited Fire SSR besides Ares and Uriel. Between the two it's not even close. Only other option would be if I could wait for Vahagn.

Light:
Current SSR: Nike, Tsukuyomi, Atum, Metatron, Michael, and Tishtrya.
This would be a pick for the future, and I know very little about the coming Light meta aside that apparently almost every current Light SSR becomes viable? What would I even use the ticket on? Is Sol still a safe get? I've also seen people mentioning Artemis, Eros, Frey, Takeminakata, and Vishnu in reference to future teams.

Thunder:
Current SSR: Baal, Jupiter, Justitia, Thor.
Thunder is my weakest team. All other elements have at least a handful of strong SSRs that synergize to form a solid core. Thunder just has 4 assault SSR... I guess Baal and Thor go together alright, and all 4 have a self heal? Again, I know little about what is considered good for Thunder now or in the future. Dian Cecht maybe?

[Slashley]

Here is my current lineup:
Fire: Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, AW Uriel, Sonsaku, Amaterasu, EoH Beelzebub and Ra
Water: Vohu Manah, Shiva, Ryu-Oh, Saraswati, Cthulhu, Poseidon, Celia, Water Osiris, Aphrodite, Ea and Nike U
Wind: Cu hulainn, Odin, Titania, Azazel, Hastur, Set, Aether and Cybele U
Thunder: Mammon, Jupiter, Athena, TW Michael, Marduk, LF Aphrodite and CT Ryu-Oh
Light: Tishtrya, Frey, Metatron, MM Tsukuyomi, Michael AW, Sol AW, Vishnu, Eros, Raphael and Atum
Dark: Susanoo, Satan AW, Thanatos, Nephthys, Berith, Amon U, Osiris, Chernobog, Hades and Samael.

Vohu and Cu came to me recently on some single rolls, filling some gaps on Water and Wind since I put my last mtix on Tish. I wonder which element I should invest in next.

Thanks in advance.You have amazing teams on all fronts, so it's difficult to say anything. Didn't you have Fire and Wind P2W Eidolons? I don't think you're lacking any important Fire Hime, so maybe Gaia for Wind, for the times when her niche becomes handy?

I... don't think you'll ever need to play defensive with your teams, though...
Then maybe literally any Light SSR that you don't have, if there are any? Or whatever element you enjoy the most?
Now, for my own problems. These are in no particular order:For Fire, it's Uriel, yeah. Then next one you can get Vahagn.

For Light... I'm not an expert on it, but Sol and Take are probably the strongest ones out of currently available. They fulfill very different roles, however, so keep that in mind. Overall, I think every SSR except Vishnu is a good one, since they all get buffed to hell and back later. Vishnu however will need a tank, and you don't seem to have Shamash at the moment.

For Thunder, I'd say Raiko, easily. Raiko's Zeal speeds up the team like crazy, and her damage cut compliments Thunder teams so damn well. Mommy Raiko even gets a great Awakening far into the future, which solidifies her as the Thunder backbone even harder. Finally, bonus points for having an excellent FLB weapon.
Marduk shouldn't be underestimated either however, but without Thunder Aphrodite, she's probably not a complete must-have (just fucking amazing, but hey).

[AutoCrimson]

Fire:
Current SSR: Acala, Amaterasu, Ares, Dakki, Mars, Prometheus, Ra, Svarog, Yamaraja.
This would be Uriel. I have every non-limited Fire SSR besides Ares and Uriel. Between the two it's not even close. Only other option would be if I could wait for Vahagn.
Well, i believe Taco WILL have a Haruhi crossover, or?..


Light:
Current SSR: Nike, Tsukuyomi, Atum, Metatron, Michael, and Tishtrya.
This would be a pick for the future, and I know very little about the coming Light meta aside that apparently almost every current Light SSR becomes viable? What would I even use the ticket on? Is Sol still a safe get? I've also seen people mentioning Artemis, Eros, Frey, Takeminakata, and Vishnu in reference to future teams.

With your roster, i'd prefer Take over Sol


Thunder:
Current SSR: Baal, Jupiter, Justitia, Thor.
Thunder is my weakest team. All other elements have at least a handful of strong SSRs that synergize to form a solid core. Thunder just has 4 assault SSR... I guess Baal and Thor go together alright, and all 4 have a self heal? Again, I know little about what is considered good for Thunder now or in the future. Dian Cecht maybe?

forget about thunder. really. for *core* u missed TAphro

[samdan]

This was a surprise and blew my plans for Lugh right out of the water... Here's what I've got:

Water (Shingen Weapon, Glaive Grid):
Cthulhu, Ryu-Oh, Pos AW, Aphro, Ea, Shiva, Nike U, Snow Raph

Wind (Shingen Weapon, no grid):
Cu Chu, Cybele U, Titania AW, Gaia AW, Azazel, Odin, Set

Thunder (Herc Weapon, no grid) (Could switch to Shingen Weapon):
Tyr AW, Brahma AW, Baal U, Marduk AW, Justitia, Raiko, Athena

Fire (Herc Weapon, no grid) (Could switch to Shingen Weapon):
Ares AW, Mars, Amaterasu, Prometheus, Yamaraja, Sonsaku

Dark (Shingen Weapon, Hammer Grid):
Satan AW, Amon U, Osiris, Pluto, Hades, Cherno

Light (Shingen Weapon, no grid):
Michael AW, Metatron AW, Sol AW, Tishtrya, L Tsukuyomi, Raphael, Vishnu

Water, Wind, and Dark are my strongest teams, and unless I'm missing someone who's so ridiculously meta compared to who I have I probably would skip over them.

Fire is solid, but not spectacular, as is Thunder (although I haven't retooled my thunder with Marduk AW yet). I think I'm missing basically all the fire meta himes, so that's maybe a place to look?

Light is absolutely my weakest team. If I full manual I can deal with AQ 5, or I could just take my water team into the same AQ5 and AAB. Lugh was going to be the pull on this MT, but Lugh won't be in the pool because loltaco.

[Unregistered]

Hey guys need some advice for a newbie

Been playing this game quite heavily for the past several months. Funny enough started with dark but lucky gachas led me down light. So I just been using light to clear everything and my 2nd strongest team (dark) to clear light stuff. Though recently light is just outright better for me since my grid sucks in general.

Was hoping to get Lugh but now not sure what I should do since my light team seems solid to me. Do I invest in dark or my other teams? Didnt plan far tbh was just hoping to be somewhat casual and go one-color light, with a decent dark as cover. Unless you guys can convince me otherwise haha, open to suggestions!

Light SSR: Sol AW, Michael AW, Take, tish, LT, Freyr, athena
Dark: Satan AW, samael, pluto, agaliarept
Water: cu chu, neptune, Ryu oh, poseidon
Fire: Mars, amaterasu
Wind: Titania, azazel

[Wolfheinirich]

You have amazing teams on all fronts, so it's difficult to say anything. Didn't you have Fire and Wind P2W Eidolons? I don't think you're lacking any important Fire Hime, so maybe Gaia for Wind, for the times when her niche becomes handy?

I... don't think you'll ever need to play defensive with your teams, though...
Then maybe literally any Light SSR that you don't have, if there are any? Or whatever element you enjoy the most?

Yeah I am not sure where I am lacking either, this one could very well ended up being a waifu reason mtix. I have yet to reach full potential for each of my teams as my resources are thinned out raising every team evenly. I also try not to dig into too much details on some of the himes I don't have as it's likely I'd just wanting to roll for them so I ended up coming here for advise. I should probably just look at what I don't have and see which one comes out on top.

[Unregistered]

Another newbie looking for mtix advice, Water main.

My ssr list is as follows:

Water: Rudra, Lakshmi, Cthulhu, Shiva
Dark: Satan, Samael, Chernobog

Nothing for any other element. What's the ideal fourth water character for me to pick?

[Argo]

Oh, and if I do go with Svarog, what else is my Fire team missing? Just Amon, or is there someone else I should consider if the next ticket doesn't go to Lugh?

And how are my other teams? Are my Waters and Darks okay for now?

[toastedsnow]

Yet another filthy casual looking for MTicket advice - current setup is lightning, since I only have 3 other ssrs outside of that (pluto, nike, odin).

Anyway, my current lineup:
Raiko, Thor (awakened) - front line
Mammon, Jupiter - back line

Thoughts?

[Unregistered]

Another newbie looking for mtix advice, Water main.

My ssr list is as follows:

Water: Rudra, Lakshmi, Cthulhu, Shiva
Dark: Satan, Samael, Chernobog

Nothing for any other element. What's the ideal fourth water character for me to pick?

100% Vohu, no question ask

[Unregistered]

Yet another filthy casual looking for MTicket advice - current setup is lightning, since I only have 3 other ssrs outside of that (pluto, nike, odin).

Anyway, my current lineup:
Raiko, Thor (awakened) - front line
Mammon, Jupiter - back line

Thoughts?

Mardurk. Thunder is the best element for MT only player (no 100% eido factor) because the MT we will have next ani that allow you to pick ThAphro. ThAphro, Dian, Raiko (will have AW), and Mardurk AW work so well together that make you think they are made to be together.

[Unregistered]

Mardurk. Thunder is the best element for MT only player (no 100% eido factor) because the MT we will have next ani that allow you to pick ThAphro. ThAphro, Dian, Raiko (will have AW), and Mardurk AW work so well together that make you think they are made to be together.

Who would I be replacing/moving to reserve? I assume Jupiter? Would my lineup then be:
Raiko, Marduk - mainline
Mammon, Thor - backline
Jupiter, Nemesis - reserve

[Unregistered]

Who would I be replacing/moving to reserve? I assume Jupiter? Would my lineup then be:
Raiko, Marduk - mainline
Mammon, Thor - backline
Jupiter, Nemesis - reserve

Thor is a god in UE but meh in normal fight, your team order should be marduk, jupiter, raiko, mammon

[Slashley]

Mardurk. Thunder is the best element for MT only player (no 100% eido factor) because the MT we will have next ani that allow you to pick ThAphro. ThAphro, Dian, Raiko (will have AW), and Mardurk AW work so well together that make you think they are made to be together.You're not necessarily wrong, but we have one more MT before that, I believe. So you're talking about planning eight months beforehand, AND assuming that Nutaku will follow suite with the limiteds available in Miracle Tickets.

So, not entirely sure you should advice this. Again, you might be correct, but you paint a little bit too optimistic of a picture.
Thor is a god in UE but meh in normal fight, your team order should be marduk, jupiter, raiko, mammonWell, it's not like Jupiter is much better, either. Basically you're either taking Jupiter's -20% Rage gauge OR Thor's minimal chance to instantly win pretty much any fight.

[Unregistered]

Hey guys need some advice for a newbie

Been playing this game quite heavily for the past several months. Funny enough started with dark but lucky gachas led me down light. So I just been using light to clear everything and my 2nd strongest team (dark) to clear light stuff. Though recently light is just outright better for me since my grid sucks in general.

Was hoping to get Lugh but now not sure what I should do since my light team seems solid to me. Do I invest in dark or my other teams? Didnt plan far tbh was just hoping to be somewhat casual and go one-color light, with a decent dark as cover. Unless you guys can convince me otherwise haha, open to suggestions!

Light SSR: Sol AW, Michael AW, Take, tish, LT, Freyr, athena
Dark: Satan AW, samael, pluto, agaliarept
Water: cu chu, neptune, Ryu oh, poseidon
Fire: Mars, amaterasu
Wind: Titania, azazel

Please can I get some advice? Any recommendations?

Tl;Dr what's a good dark MTix for me? Or should I even do dark?

[Unregistered]

You're not necessarily wrong, but we have one more MT before that, I believe. So you're talking about planning eight months beforehand, AND assuming that Nutaku will follow suite with the limiteds available in Miracle Tickets.

So, not entirely sure you should advice this. Again, you might be correct, but you paint a little bit too optimistic of a picture.Well, it's not like Jupiter is much better, either. Basically you're either taking Jupiter's -20% Rage gauge OR Thor's minimal chance to instantly win pretty much any fight.
I’m a optimistic person hehe and his next tick should be Dian anyway. Btw Jupiter not only have -20% rage gauge, she also have 5/8t 20% party ele buff and a 30% BG skill for herself that help her (kinda) hold the 3rd slot behind Mardurk and reduce 1t toward FB. I think that’s enough to use her over Thor

[AutoCrimson]

Please can I get some advice? Any recommendations?

Tl;Dr what's a good dark MTix for me? Or should I even do dark?

Short answer is - NO. Dont go Dark.
You have excellent light team, that has no weaknesses
the obvious choice for MT would be Metatron

[Unregistered]

Short answer is - NO. Dont go Dark.
You have excellent light team, that has no weaknesses
the obvious choice for MT would be Metatron

Thank you for the response kind sir.

How do you see metatron fitting into my lineup? I'm working towards shingen rn and am currently using herc (and farming to LB the axe)

[AutoCrimson]

the universally recognized answer would be - "put Meta as your first backup hime", since she has the immediate burst ability

still, her AW version's burst damage is really good, so (in my humble opinion) team of Meta Mika Tish LT/Take for me sounds good. and you can always use Sol for last slot for endurance

[Unregistered]

the universally recognized answer would be - "put Meta as your first backup hime", since she has the immediate burst ability

still, her AW version's burst damage is really good, so (in my humble opinion) team of Meta Mika Tish LT/Take for me sounds good. and you can always use Sol for last slot for endurance

Thanks mate. Cheers!

[toastedsnow]

You're not necessarily wrong, but we have one more MT before that, I believe. So you're talking about planning eight months beforehand, AND assuming that Nutaku will follow suite with the limiteds available in Miracle Tickets.

So, not entirely sure you should advice this. Again, you might be correct, but you paint a little bit too optimistic of a picture.Well, it's not like Jupiter is much better, either. Basically you're either taking Jupiter's -20% Rage gauge OR Thor's minimal chance to instantly win pretty much any fight.


I’m a optimistic person hehe and his next tick should be Dian anyway. Btw Jupiter not only have -20% rage gauge, she also have 5/8t 20% party ele buff and a 30% BG skill for herself that help her (kinda) hold the 3rd slot behind Mardurk and reduce 1t toward FB. I think that’s enough to use her over Thor

Doesn't replacing jupiter/thor nerf my damage output? I was under the impression (reading the project google doc) that with thunder - also my only team - my go-to would be to just stack damage. Not to mention that I was finally able to have a decent go at the Ultimate summons and, if thor's paralyze stuck (misses about 90% of the time for me), could solo it. Thus, my initial idea was to replace Raiko with more damage or utility - was eyeing Karin, Baal, or Marduk in that order - with Raiko in my reserve.
I'm happy to defer to those more experienced but I can't understand why I would try to build for endurance fights when, from my limited experience, thunder appears to do exactly the opposite. Seems counterintuitive is all.

I feel like I should also mention again that I'm a strictly casual player in this. My game time is maybe an hour per week. I'm not looking for endgame or leaderboards, perfectly content sitting in the middle. This is also only the second time I've paid for a MTicket. Didn't feel obliged to pick one up the last two times. So there's no guarantee of me buying the next.
Also, since anon brought it up, I do have the 100% elemental eidolon for thunder. Also exclusively running D'Artagnan with Orlean Call as my 4th ability, again, for the above mentioned reasons of "well, it lets me kill things faster before problems crop up."

[Slashley]

Raiko is a ton of damage due to her Zeal speeding up your Full Bursts a ton, so she's certainly not low on damage even if she doesn't deal all of it herself.
Karin isn't available in Miracle Tickets.

Awakened Marduk deals way more damage than Jupiter/Thor, and thus, would be an upgrade.

Don't bother with Orlean Call. You're probably better off with VoF so that your debuffs don't miss. Ideally, you wouldn't be using Dartagnan but... if you're a casual, I guess you can't afford dem Soul weapons, so eh.

[toastedsnow]

Raiko is a ton of damage due to her Zeal speeding up your Full Bursts a ton, so she's certainly not low on damage even if she doesn't deal all of it herself.
Karin isn't available in Miracle Tickets.

Awakened Marduk deals way more damage than Jupiter/Thor, and thus, would be an upgrade.

Don't bother with Orlean Call. You're probably better off with VoF so that your debuffs don't miss. Ideally, you wouldn't be using Dartagnan but... if you're a casual, I guess you can't afford dem Soul weapons, so eh.

So then the ideal setup, at least right now, would be Raiko, Marduk, Mammon, Thor? With Jupiter in reserve, simply due to paralyze outweighing in most cases?
Hypothetically speaking then, what soul would I be pairing with this? I've been told Shingen + spear is brokenly OP on multiple occasions but I'm nowhere close to unlocking her.

[Slashley]

So then the ideal setup, --The ideal setup, for you for now, is just shorter; Raiko, Mammon and Awakened Marduk. I don't think neither Thor nor Jupiter can be called "correct" in any situation.
Hypothetically speaking then, what soul would I be pairing with this? I've been told Shingen + spear is brokenly OP on multiple occasions but I'm nowhere close to unlocking her.The "which Soul should I use?" thread (https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/4735-soul-thread.html) should answer that.

Without Shingen, Herc tends to be the generic powerhouse to use. Assuming you have her Axe at 1-Star or above.

[Unregistered]

So then the ideal setup, at least right now, would be Raiko, Marduk, Mammon, Thor? With Jupiter in reserve, simply due to paralyze outweighing in most cases?
Hypothetically speaking then, what soul would I be pairing with this? I've been told Shingen + spear is brokenly OP on multiple occasions but I'm nowhere close to unlocking her.

Do you have Cyclop SR ?, imo she is better than Thor and Jupiter. Don’t use her zeal when Raiko’s zeal is active

[Unregistered]

So after a rather long break I'm slowly getting back into this game and I have no Idea where the meta is going so a bit help would be nice. For my SSR Himes here they are:

Fire: Yamaraja, Mars, Svarog, Ares and Ra.
Honestly this team is probably my strongest one so I don't think Mtixing a Fire chara would be the wisest choice.

Water: SSRNike, Gabriel, Shiva, Lakshmi
Really solid but I feel this can use something

Wind: Gaia, Set, Arianrod, Aether
Really thinking about Mtixing Cybelle for this Team since I heard she was amazing.

Thunder: Marduk, Thor, Tyr, SSR Baal
All over the place and not sure if I should invest in this since like others said: Thunder Aphro or bust

Dark: Satan, Chernobog, Samael.
Really underdeveloped and thinking about adding Osiris.

Light: Gabriel and Shamash
My crappiest Element with crappiest Grid for me since I have atrocius luck with light himes. I think this one I can't help anymore lol

Thx for every input. Lookong forward to them

[toastedsnow]

The ideal setup, for you for now, is just shorter; Raiko, Mammon and Awakened Marduk. I don't think neither Thor nor Jupiter can be called "correct" in any situation.The "which Soul should I use?" thread (https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/4735-soul-thread.html) should answer that.

Without Shingen, Herc tends to be the generic powerhouse to use. Assuming you have her Axe at 1-Star or above.

Understood. Cheers mate, thanks for explaining things to me

[Unregistered]

Whoa... hold up a sec: Be careful with reading guides, things change over time, thunder not being good at endurance is a thing of the past. Dian is here now, and there's a reason ppl call her the absolute BEST HEALER in the game, and we just got the dual HP weapons for thunder as well (although, granted, not the best) so a thunder grid isn't completely missing out on HP anymore. A team of Raiko/Marduk/Dian is insanely durable, the fourth is just w/e you need, although typically will be Nuwa (coming in a few months).

[Grobnastaker]

Hello. I've mostly been going with whatever the game threw my way and hoped for the best. Looking for some input from people who know the game better. Would I be better off using my ticket to improve one of my already solid teams or power up my weaker ones?

Fire
Svarog, Amaterasu, Prometheus, Kagutsuchi, Ares, Agni

Water
Poseidon, Bohu Manah, [Snow Angel] Raphael, Asherah, Aphrodite, Atalanta

Wind (got two setups)
Gaia, El, Set, Titania, Cu Chulainn, Isis
or
Gaia, El, Arianrod, Hastur, Isis, Titania

Thunder
Tyr [AW], Cyclops, Dian Cecht, Ramiel, Nemesis, Kingu

Light
[Moonlight Profusion] Artemis, Vishnu, Atum, Diana, Metatron, Djehuti

Dark
Satan [AW], Kali, Chernobog, Pluto, Samael, Nephthys

Thank you for any advice.

[Bach]

So far I've been running thunder as my main team since it has the most SSR kamihime but no 100% eido. Got lucky 2 weeks ago and managed to get the 100% wind eido but my wind team is currently my second weakest team SSR kami wise and weakest grid wise. I've started to build wind as my backup team and maybe future main team. I'm not sure if I should Mtix and get Dian for my thunder team or get a dps wind kami which I'm severely lacking atm [Cu Chu / Azazel / SSR Cybele]. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Here is my current SSR's:

Fire
SSR Beel,

Water
Shiva, Aphro, Cthulhu

Wind [100% eido]
Gaia AW, Titania

Thunder
Athena, Jupiter, Baal U, Thor

Light
Michael, Raphael, Eros

Dark
Satan, Thanatos, Agaliarept, Berith

[Slashley]

-- Got lucky 2 weeks ago and managed to get the 100% wind eido but my wind team is currently my second weakest team SSR kami wise and weakest grid wise.
--
Wind [100% eido]
Gaia AW, Titania--Since you have Hraes, I'd say you should go Wid. You have a great backbone for a Wind team, at least as soon as you Awaken Titania. Azazel will be fantastic in the future, but she can't carry you right now (Awakening coming up in ~3.5 months). If you can afford the Cu Awakening (coming up in ~1.5 months), then she'll do you great now and in the future.
Other options are SSR Cybele who is an all-around good powerhouse and comes with debuffs, or Set for a super-defensive team - I can't really recommend that her you're lacking a punch, but hey, it's an option.

[Zendo]

First a small disclaimer to my advice so you can put it in perspective. I've been playing this game for a little over over 1.5 month now, so I lack some in-depth information that other users might have. Therefore I will refrain from giving such advice and leave that up to others. Next up I haven't researched Wind/Thunder teams so I'll leave that to other people to comment on. Also many people have mentioned that Dark teams are in a bad spot right now, so that would probably not be your best pick. But here is my opinion for what it is worth.


So after a rather long break I'm slowly getting back into this game and I have no Idea where the meta is going so a bit help would be nice.

I have two questions for you, that I think are fairly important for the potential use of a MT:
1. Which teams do you most enjoy playing with, or does this not matter?
2. What SSR eidolons do you have?


Fire: Yamaraja, Mars, Svarog, Ares and Ra.
Honestly this team is probably my strongest one so I don't think Mtixing a Fire chara would be the wisest choice.

I think this is fairly solid yeha. But if you want to invest into this more, it would probably be either Uriel (REALLY INSANE DAMAGE, I even used caps!) or Amaterasu (Core).

Many people have said that Uriel is busted, although lacking in the bust department (sorry couldn't help myself), two weeks ago I was looking for advice for my Fire team. And Uriel is just insane with her bursts.

Amaterasu applies ATK & DEF Down (B Frame -20%), Blindness with, I believe, a 80% probability. And is considered core for fire. That said Debuff Doomsayers would probably not like this decision, as her value is in her debuffs. She would probably replace Yamaraja, since she only applies a ATK & DEF down (B Frame -15%).


Water: SSRNike, Gabriel, Shiva, Lakshmi
Really solid but I feel this can use something

First of all something important to note:
SSR Nike: Applies DEF down (A Frame -15%, at lvl 55)
Gabriel: Applies DEF down (A Frame -12%, at lvl 45)

You have some overlap here and you would benefit from some other debuffs, debuff doomsayers wouldnt like this however. I dont know who would be better but here are some options for you to consider to replace Gabriel:

Snow Angel Raphael (Defensive):
1. Extends stun, ATK & DEF down (B Frame -15%)
2. DMG taken down (30%, 2 turns)
3. Removes an active orb from the overdrive meter (Once every 6 turns)

Cthulu (Offensive):
1. Removes an active orb from the overdrive meter and, if succesful, increases Burst Gauge by 15% (Once every 8 turns)
2. DEF down (C Frame -20%)
3. Applies Dizzyness and ATK down (A Frame -15%) and increases her ATK (C Frame +15%)

Ryo-Oh also applies DEF down (A Frame -20%), yet she is very strong overall. However you wouldnt benefit as much with her since you have SSR Nike. Aphrodite would fill SSR Nike's role better I believe; you would suffer from diminishing marginal returns with these two however. I think Asherah would be worth mentioning as well, however I believe you would benefit more from either Snow Angel Raphael or Cthulu.


Light: Gabriel and Shamash
My crappiest Element with crappiest Grid for me since I have atrocius luck with light himes. I think this one I can't help anymore lol

I agree!

Hope this helped you!

[Zendo]

Sooo... for the first time in a long, long while, I actually have no idea who to spend my MT on. This goliath of a post is mostly to sort out my own thoughts, but if anyone can chime in with some advice, that'd be all the better.

After having read all of that first of all, damn thats a lot of SSR kamihime haha; from my perspective at least. But maybe you should look at things from a different perspective.

First of all, do you have to get the MT and spend it?

Secondly, you mention that you like Thunder the most. I kinda based my MT on waifu reasons and min/max considerations. You are in a position where you have a lot more options. Thus in a sense you are more free in spending your MT for waifu purposes, if thats what you want. Why not just get Marduk or Dian because you like Thunder? And dont worry about min/max, you are probably at a point where you can afford to neglect that in some sense; but min/max when you have to in hard content. Plus it adds some versatility to keep playing with your Thunder team regardless of element, if the content allows it! That said Marduk looks like a solid waifu and you could probably build a team around her, whilst neglecting some min/max.

Lastly, do whatever your feelings tell you to do. Im a min/max person at heart as well in other games and D&D. However sometimes it's refreshing to not min/max and go with what you prefer. If that is a Thunder go with it, I have, I think at least, the same feelings when it comes to Fire. Its about having fun as well, and having characters that you like the look of help; me at least, dont know if this is applicable to you.

Hope this helped to at least get a different perspective!

[Unregistered]

So after a rather long break I'm slowly getting back into this game and I have no Idea where the meta is going so a bit help would be nice. For my SSR Himes here they are:

Fire: Yamaraja, Mars, Svarog, Ares and Ra.
Honestly this team is probably my strongest one so I don't think Mtixing a Fire chara would be the wisest choice.

Water: SSRNike, Gabriel, Shiva, Lakshmi
Really solid but I feel this can use something

Wind: Gaia, Set, Arianrod, Aether
Really thinking about Mtixing Cybelle for this Team since I heard she was amazing.

Thunder: Marduk, Thor, Tyr, SSR Baal
All over the place and not sure if I should invest in this since like others said: Thunder Aphro or bust

Dark: Satan, Chernobog, Samael.
Really underdeveloped and thinking about adding Osiris.

Light: Gabriel and Shamash
My crappiest Element with crappiest Grid for me since I have atrocius luck with light himes. I think this one I can't help anymore lol

Thx for every input. Lookong forward to them

What you need:

Fire: Uriel, unless you're heavily whaling fire and can easily hit 2m burst cap with other himes... in which case, FAmon.
Water: Vohu
Wind: Cu, Cybelle is pretty nice right now, but falls off in usefulness in the long run (when Azazel AW), her time is running out.
Thunder: Dian or Raiko, TAphro isn't available... yet. You have a pretty decent team here, TAphro can make thunder op, but not required to work.
Dark: Don't invest without Anubis, just let RNG do its thing.
Light: Michael makes the biggest difference, but you do need a lot (so don't bother either)

If I had to pick, probably stick with fire to make it really good or one of the thunder option to counter water content, which fire is weak against...

... also, neither Gabriels are SSRs. :p

[Zendo]

First of all a small rant. Sigh, a few days ago there was a gacha where Fire had boosted droprates; Im a massive sucker for Fire. I spend 9k magic jewels and got nothing Fire related; the closest I got was getting something red. Instead I got Fluffy (Managarmr, 100% light Eidolon), Im not complaining since I have an ok Light grid and ok Light kamihime. So this changed some things for me for this MT. Also I should note that I out of spite spend 300 magic jewels on the SSR Mamon gacha and got her on the first try; so W00T!

Now my question is two-pronged: ''In which team to invest Fire or Light?'' and ''Who to get?''.

Fire

Eidolon: Cthugha (30% ATK, 10% HP)
Current roster: Svarog, Hephaestus, Youkai Empress Mammon, Mars
I have a good weapon grid for this element.

Best choice this MT would probably be Amaterasu.

Important notes:
1. I refuse to use Uriel because of Waifu reasons.
2. Next MT Im probably picking up Vahagn, now having Amaterasu would mean Im more versatile.

Some side questions for this element:
1. Would it be worth to spend eidolon orbs to buff Ctugha?
2. Should I save my eidolon orbs for Kaiser?
3. How good is Fire Mammon? (I understand that she becomes more powerfull with more turns, but legit Burn Execution (The damage based on Whip's Heat Lvl) is insane; and she is a pretty good waifu)

Light

Eidolon: Fluffy (100% ATK)
Notable kamihime:
SSR: Sol, Takeminakata
SR: Attar, Diana, Durga, Forseti (Waifu) & Sukunahikona
Current roster: Sol, Takeminakata (cuz SSR rly), Diana (DEF down A Frame -15%), Forseti (Her abilities are very utility focussed, ATK down ((A Frame -15% & Extends overdrive meter by 1) I like her art)
My weapon grid is lacking, I should probably farm the Light raid boss for the weapon to compensate.

Best choice this MT would probably be either Michael or Light Tsukuyomi.

Some side questions for this element:
1. Fluffy her ATK boost is based on Light eidolon equipped. I have Abdou and Hecatonchires as other Light eidolons. Now my question: is it correct that her base ATK boost is 80% and the rest is boosted by Light eidolon equipped or?
2. With this current roster who should I sub out for either Michael or Light Tsukuyomi. This is probably gonna depend on the situation however. A better question would be: ''subbing who for who will yield the highest marginal increase?''.

[Slashley]

Some side questions for this element:
1. Fluffy her ATK boost is based on Light eidolon equipped. I have Abdou and Hecatonchires as other Light eidolons. Now my question: is it correct that her base ATK boost is 80% and the rest is boosted by Light eidolon equipped or?
2. With this current roster who should I sub out for either Michael or Light Tsukuyomi. This is probably gonna depend on the situation however. A better question would be: ''subbing who for who will yield the highest marginal increase?''.With Fluffy, you if you're going to min/max you're going to need to invest into Light. It's either Michael or Tish, probably Michael? Tish is crazy too, though...

1. Yes, 80% base. +4% per equipped Light Eidolon.
2. Drop Forseti. Forseti is an amazing SR, but so is Diana with her Def debuff.

[Unregistered]

First a small disclaimer to my advice so you can put it in perspective. I've been playing this game for a little over over 1.5 month now, so I lack some in-depth information that other users might have. Therefore I will refrain from giving such advice and leave that up to others. Next up I haven't researched Wind/Thunder teams so I'll leave that to other people to comment on. Also many people have mentioned that Dark teams are in a bad spot right now, so that would probably not be your best pick. But here is my opinion for what it is worth.



I have two questions for you, that I think are fairly important for the potential use of a MT:
1. Which teams do you most enjoy playing with, or does this not matter?
2. What SSR eidolons do you have?



I think this is fairly solid yeha. But if you want to invest into this more, it would probably be either Uriel (REALLY INSANE DAMAGE, I even used caps!) or Amaterasu (Core).

Many people have said that Uriel is busted, although lacking in the bust department (sorry couldn't help myself), two weeks ago I was looking for advice for my Fire team. And Uriel is just insane with her bursts.

Amaterasu applies ATK & DEF Down (B Frame -20%), Blindness with, I believe, a 80% probability. And is considered core for fire. That said Debuff Doomsayers would probably not like this decision, as her value is in her debuffs. She would probably replace Yamaraja, since she only applies a ATK & DEF down (B Frame -15%).



First of all something important to note:
SSR Nike: Applies DEF down (A Frame -15%, at lvl 55)
Gabriel: Applies DEF down (A Frame -12%, at lvl 45)

You have some overlap here and you would benefit from some other debuffs, debuff doomsayers wouldnt like this however. I dont know who would be better but here are some options for you to consider to replace Gabriel:

Snow Angel Raphael (Defensive):
1. Extends stun, ATK & DEF down (B Frame -15%)
2. DMG taken down (30%, 2 turns)
3. Removes an active orb from the overdrive meter (Once every 6 turns)

Cthulu (Offensive):
1. Removes an active orb from the overdrive meter and, if succesful, increases Burst Gauge by 15% (Once every 8 turns)
2. DEF down (C Frame -20%)
3. Applies Dizzyness and ATK down (A Frame -15%) and increases her ATK (C Frame +15%)

Ryo-Oh also applies DEF down (A Frame -20%), yet she is very strong overall. However you wouldnt benefit as much with her since you have SSR Nike. Aphrodite would fill SSR Nike's role better I believe; you would suffer from diminishing marginal returns with these two however. I think Asherah would be worth mentioning as well, however I believe you would benefit more from either Snow Angel Raphael or Cthulu.



I agree!

Hope this helped you!

Wow thanks alot. Also I derped hard and somehow managed to mix up gabriel for Raphael in both cases. So let's see if Uriel really is that busted xD

[dreamlitz]

Now my question is two-pronged: ''In which team to invest Fire or Light?'' and ''Who to get?''.

Go with light, it will be much stronger in the long run if you have fluffy.


Light

Eidolon: Fluffy (100% ATK)
Notable kamihime:
SSR: Sol, Takeminakata
SR: Attar, Diana, Durga, Forseti (Waifu) & Sukunahikona
Current roster: Sol, Takeminakata (cuz SSR rly), Diana (DEF down A Frame -15%), Forseti (Her abilities are very utility focussed, ATK down ((A Frame -15% & Extends overdrive meter by 1) I like her art)
My weapon grid is lacking, I should probably farm the Light raid boss for the weapon to compensate.

Best choice this MT would probably be either Michael or Light Tsukuyomi.

I'm with Slashley, Michael and Tish are the ones you want. LT is good, but she will be obsolete soon, like, in a matter of days when Lugh comes out (not on current mtix though, which completely messed up my planning x_x) and when Iris comes out a couple months from now.


Some side questions for this element:
1. Fluffy her ATK boost is based on Light eidolon equipped. I have Abdou and Hecatonchires as other Light eidolons. Now my question: is it correct that her base ATK boost is 80% and the rest is boosted by Light eidolon equipped or?
2. With this current roster who should I sub out for either Michael or Light Tsukuyomi. This is probably gonna depend on the situation however. A better question would be: ''subbing who for who will yield the highest marginal increase?''.

1. Correct, base is 80% and each light sub eido adds 4%. It is advisable to go for stats and useful actives instead of trying to get fluffy to 100% though. The incremental gain in elemental isn't worth sacrificing base stats for unless you have a really strong grid already.
2. Drop Forseti and use Diana unless you're going against debuff resistant stuff, in which case I would still drop Forseti and use Durga if you are not AAB-ing (Durga is fast but one of her abilities is a 2-turn rampage, which requires planning.) If you hate Durga 'cos of her RNG skills, use Sukunahikona for debuff resistant stuff. I only use Forseti when I can't Ex BP for whatever reason or she's my only way to hit 50% atk down if I needed that for some reason. Usually for GO where I have to use non-SSR or soul used to deal with an annoying mechanic or something.

[KitKat]

Best choice this MT would probably be Amaterasu.

Important notes:
1. I refuse to use Uriel because of Waifu reasons.
2. Next MT Im probably picking up Vahagn, now having Amaterasu would mean Im more versatile.

Amaterasu is already falling out of the meta if Uriel is not an option Fire Amon would be best.


1. Would it be worth to spend eidolon orbs to buff Ctugha?


No, Elemental attack>Character Attack get Andramalech instead


2. Should I save my eidolon orbs for Kaiser?

Yes but you should get Tiamat(stat block) and a good primary eido(Andra,Amaru,Icarus) for every element for which you dont have one yet first.

[Unregistered]

Important notes:
1. I refuse to use Uriel because of Waifu reasons.
2. Next MT Im probably picking up Vahagn, now having Amaterasu would mean Im more versatile.


You want to get Fire Freyr over Vahagn imo.
Vahagn is nice and really strong but tbh you will hit the 2mio cap way easier with fire Freyr.
And she also has 30% fire rst down. She is the fastest fire KH up to date and she can hit like a truck too.

Furthermore Uriel will be out of the meta, mostly for fire bakas who can reach the 2mio cap.
If you think you wont hit the cap next year, then please just get Uriel.

Otherwise Fire Mammon is the imo the 2nd best choice to MT for fire.

[Unregistered]

Otherwise Fire Mammon is the imo the 2nd best choice to MT for fire.

I meant Fire Amon and not fire Mammon. My fault.

[Slashley]

Amaterasu is already falling out of the meta if Uriel is not an option Fire Amon would be best.Oh? Would you care to explain how so?
I still haven't seen the debuff immune content that the debuff doomsayers have been warning us about, so Amaterasu seems perfectly fine by me. At least, for now.
No, Elemental attack>Character AttackThis... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.
Furthermore Uriel will be out of the meta, mostly for fire bakas who can reach the 2mio cap.
If you think you wont hit the cap next year, then please just get Uriel.Reaching even 1.3m is a stretch for non-whales... I don't see any way that you reasonably reach even 1.6m, outside of owning Belial yourself.

[Unregistered]

Reaching even 1.3m is a stretch for non-whales... I don't see any way that you reasonably reach even 1.6m, outside of owning Belial yourself.

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, who runs Ascalon+Mars spears in their grid and ofc Belial / Cerberus later.
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.

For me Uriel will be useless later and I said if he isnt even near to hit the cap, he should get Uriel.

Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?

[Slashley]

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, --
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.
--
Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?You live in a completely different reality from me it seems, that'd be why.

[Unregistered]

I said a fire baka, which are mostly whales, who runs Ascalon+Mars spears in their grid and ofc Belial / Cerberus later.
For example I am already hitting my current 1.6 mio cap off-ele and my grid isn't even done.

For me Uriel will be useless later and I said if he isnt even near to hit the cap, he should get Uriel.

Why do you ignore some details, which I already explained?

Pls don’t talk about whale meta when giving advice for a player that you are not know they are whale or not. And since when you had to whale to be allowed to main fire.

[KitKat]

Oh? Would you care to explain how so?
I still haven't seen the debuff immune content that the debuff doomsayers have been warning us about, so Amaterasu seems perfectly fine by me. At least, for now.

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.


This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.

[dreamlitz]

1. Would it be worth to spend eidolon orbs to buff Ctugha?


No, Elemental attack>Character Attack get Andramalech instead


This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

I wanted to point out that while Slashley's explanation is correct, KitKat's answer about not worth spending eidolon orbs on Cthugha is also generally the correct one for a different reason. That is Adramelech gives 45% elemental at MLB, while Cthugha only gives 40% char atk at MLB. Adramalech's atk stats are also much better than Cthugha. Cthugha also gives 20% HP so you might want that if you can't get your hp high enough to tank an OD or two.

For fire, usually ppl go for dps though, assuming your assault value is at least 117 (9 x SR disaster weapons) Adramelech comes out ahead in every conceivable scenario except the one Slashley pointed out, where you have friend Belial + soup weapon + elemental advantage, where Cthugha might come out ahead but only slightly.

[Slashley]

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.Oh? And would you care to explain this "ideal fire team" then?
I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.You mean that in 99% of the cases when things matter... doesn't count somehow? Care to explain how on that one as well?
I wanted to point out that while Slashley's explanation is correct, KitKat's answer about not worth spending eidolon orbs on Cthugha is also generally the correct one for a different reason. That is Adramelech gives 45% elemental at MLB, while Cthugha only gives 40% char atk at MLB. Adramalech's atk stats are also much better than Cthugha. Cthugha also gives 20% HP so you might want that if you can't get your hp high enough to tank an OD or two.

For fire, usually ppl go for dps though, assuming your assault value is at least 117 (9 x SR disaster weapons) Adramelech comes out ahead in every conceivable scenario except the one Slashley pointed out, where you have friend Belial + soup weapon + elemental advantage, where Cthugha might come out ahead but only slightly.You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

[dreamlitz]

You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

Nitpick, but Adramelech is also better than Crom Cruach in firepower. So, I guess we all agree that Cthugha sucks, 'cos there're better options, just which option is most suitable for OP...

[Ztzzpz]

Hi everyone, first post for me here.

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Jabber lvl40
Soul: Hercules (starting to farm for shingen)
SSR: Azazael, Gaia (AW), Odin (AW), Titania (AW), Set, Isis
Line-up: Azazael, Gaia, Oberon, Set
I started a defense team and now i'm playing more offense. Do i need to get Cybele to replace Oberon? Or going to get Cu and switch burst build?

Fire:
Eidolon: Ifrit lvl40
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same except i change Beelzebub for Themis
Love to play a rampage team, even if it's not the more efficient at the moment. I think i could improve it by taking Ares or Svarog but i'm not sure if it's a good move. Maybe fire Amon is a good one too but she's lacking of combo attack empowerment.

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl40
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva, Lakshmi
Line-up: Neptune, Cthulhu, Gabriel, Shiva (just hit shiva and lakshmi, did'nt set my line-up yet)
Trying to make a burst party. I'm lacking of survivability so maybe pick an healer?

Thunder:
Eidolon: Huang lvl55
Soul: Hercule
SSR : Tyr (AW)
Line-up: Tyr, Baal, Cyclop, Nemesis
Not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl70 or Yule Goat lvl100
Soul: Hercule thinking to get Shingen
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi
Line-up: Takemi, Artemis, Sol, Michael
I got some strong hime recently and i didn't play light a lot since. I think it's maybe my strongest team but i need advices to set the line-up and maybe to spent the MT here. Maybe going for Tishtrya can be a good one? I'm thinking to farm for shingen's weapon instead of Herc.

Dark:
My wors team, only got SSR Chernobog so...

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

[Zendo]

Below is a rant, you can skip it if you like up to the Bold part.

Lot of people have replied and based on that I can draw some conclusions. And I should probably create an accurate scenario of my current position and thoughts. So first of all, thank you to those who have replied. You have given me some insights. But lets start with some scenario thinking based on some arguments.

Lets say, hypothetically, that there is an early, mid & end game in Kamihime; I dont know where this ends nor begins.
Next up, assume that there are different tiers of Kamihime and they can be categorized as T1 through T5 ((T1 = Best - T5 = Worst) there probably should be more tiers, but this is for the sake of the argument). I think that creating a Tier list in such a way would be quite cool as it could be a collaborative effort by players!

For example a lot of people mentioned Amaterasu, I believe that we can all agree that Amaterasu holds extreme value Early through Mid and can easily be T1 or T2. Doesn't matter which she is for the sake of this argument. But that later on, her added value decreases compared to other Kamihime; that said she still holds value Im not discrediting that! She would probably Late be 1 or 2 Tiers lower than Early & Mid. I don't know exactly how much but I believe diminishing returns are the case. I believe this is due to two factors. First of all the healing cap and secondly debuf resistant bosses. Which some bosses are but not all! Let's move on with this in mind.

Personally I believe Im in the midgame.
Total Power: 35439 (Sol and Ryo-Oh are subs (Lvl 60), Fire Mammon isn't maxed yet, Svarog isnt awakened, Achilles equipped (300 SP from Heracles))
Weapon Grid: ATK: 15146, HP: 1070 (2 non fire weapons but they have the highest ATK/HP values, 4 SR fire weapons 3 of which are they raid spears)
Eidolon Grid: ATK: 6833, HP: 2757

Roster: Svarog, Hephaestus, Fire Mammon & Mars.

(as I was typing this I noticed dreamlitz mention assault value, no clue what that is D: If you can elaborate I'd appreciate it)

Im gonna go for Fire since I just adore the aesthetics and the waifu's. But when thats complete I'll focus on Light!

Now onto my question! Sorry it took a while since I expend a lot on stuff but I think it's important.

Given that my account is in the Midgame, thats my opinion at least, and that two scenario's can exist, non-debuff resistant bosses and debuff resistant bosses. Who should I pick for my MT. Ideally I'd like to create a 6-7 Kamihime roster and rotate them based on my needs.

As far as I'm aware Frey won't be in the MT after this one? Confirm/Deny?

Non-debuff resistant roster: Svarog, Mars, Vahagn/Frey, ?
Debuff resistant roster: Svarog, Fire Mammon, Vahagn, Frey.

Who should fill the ''?'' spot, personally I think Amaterasu as usually my Kamihime have 5-6k HP and her heal can still be valuable.

Some explanations below.

Now I think that the debuff resistant bosses exist, and might exist more in the future but thats for future MT; not the current one yet. Furthermore I can pick up Vahagn and Frey in future MT (which I plan on) and swap out Amaterasu and Mars.

Also I'd happily not take Uriel, if Frey is to some extent a substitute. When I came back from Uni I at one point considered muting the game whenever it was Uriel's turn so I could use her. But I'm really glad Frey can be a substitute, if thats accurate.

Special thanks to: Slashley, dreamlitz, KitKat and he who shan't be named the unregistered guest! (For their helpfull insights, this is really appreciated even though you guys disagree)

[AutoCrimson]

Personally I believe Im in the midgame.
Total Power: 35439 (Sol and Ryo-Oh are subs (Lvl 60), Fire Mammon isn't maxed yet, Svarog isnt awakened, Achilles equipped (300 SP from Heracles))
Weapon Grid: ATK: 15146, HP: 1070 (2 non fire weapons but they have the highest ATK/HP values, 4 SR fire weapons 3 of which are they raid spears)
Eidolon Grid: ATK: 6833, HP: 2757

i am very sorry, but that is hardly considered "midgame"
me myself is probably "midgame"


Also I'd happily not take Uriel
aha. Happily. Well, Fire Amon claps at your words.

[Zendo]

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?

This is something I think everyone should always ask: ''With what team do you enjoy playing the most?'' So best aesthetics/wafiu's etc. Answer that for yourself and chose your team accordingly!

I don't know anything about Wind and Thunder so I'll let others answer that! Also from what I have heared Dark isn't good unless you have the 100% Eidolon.


Fire:
Eidolon: Ifrit lvl40
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same except i change Beelzebub for Themis
Love to play a rampage team, even if it's not the more efficient at the moment. I think i could improve it by taking Ares or Svarog but i'm not sure if it's a good move.

I main Fire and have read a lot about it from different people and different perspectives. Don't take Ares, it's not MT worthy, you use Ares if you don't have anyone else. If you want to go with Fire pick Svarog for a consistent 30% ATK Buff and insane Ability Damage. Uriel has insane burst, but I believe Svarog holds more value (and she has twintails). UA Svarog is insane as well!


Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl40
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva, Lakshmi
Line-up: Neptune, Cthulhu, Gabriel, Shiva (just hit shiva and lakshmi, did'nt set my line-up yet)
Trying to make a burst party. I'm lacking of survivability so maybe pick an healer?

If you are really lacking survivability look into Aphrodite, but you yourself are probably the best judge in that.
If you wanna go a burst build you will probably need Asherah (Burst Damage Stacking Frame +30% at lvl 75 every 3 turns, Stacks consumed upon use)
Asherah also has ATK UP A Frame, Shiva has ATK UP A Frame as well. So you will have a good 20% ATK buff for a long time.


Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl70 or Yule Goat lvl100
Soul: Hercule thinking to get Shingen
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi
Line-up: Takemi, Artemis, Sol, Michael
I got some strong hime recently and i didn't play light a lot since. I think it's maybe my strongest team but i need advices to set the line-up and maybe to spent the MT here. Maybe going for Tishtrya can be a good one? I'm thinking to farm for shingen's weapon instead of Herc.

Tish yes.

Hope this helped!

[Unregistered]

Imo mid game is where you can comfortably clear GO and AQ5, anything before is early game. End game is probably ragnarok MVP sniping, tower and dummy ranking.

[Zendo]

i am very sorry, but that is hardly considered "midgame"
me myself is probably "midgame"

Then I'm early game and I have more reason to value Amaterasu.


Imo mid game is where you can comfortably clear GO and AQ5, anything before is early game. End game is probably ragnarok MVP sniping, tower and dummy ranking.

Ye, then I'm 100% early game!


aha. Happily. Well, Fire Amon claps at your words.

Another waifu right there haha.

[dreamlitz]

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?

I think light is your strongest, though your wind is very solid, too. Your light himes cover a lot of bases though and is extremely versatile if you learn how to use them, so I would go with light. Also, LB2 Thunderbird is very good, she's like a mini-fluffy and is as good as you can get until you draw fluffy herself (if ever, I'm still waiting for mine.)

MT: definitely Tish.

For most light builds, Mike AW and Tish will be the backbone, then you decide what you need most for a given encounter. Nice thing about light is that every SSR hime fits a certain role almost perfectly:

Sol - use her when you need group heal and/or deal with annoying debuffs and/or deal with annoying buffs
Eros - use her when Sol can't deal with some annoying debuffs (primarily paralyze and ability seal; zombie can be a problem for Sol as she heals before she cleanses; Eros can also deal with doom if your hime is near full health though I usually use Sol for that, too)
SSR Arty - frame A def down and nuke (frame B is already covered by Tish btw)
LT - elemental def down, mob control (AoE blind) or dark nuke (Tish + Arty + LT = def down cap)
Take - short encounters, debuff resistant or low hp bosses (basically every advent rag or lower and low lvl UE battles - Take will make short work of them.) Note that though it takes practice, but you can use Take effectively for long encounters, too.

If you ever have the good fortune to pull more light SSRs, note that they're generally very easy to slot in and out depending on what you need:

Lugh (released in several days) - C frame def down and insane DPS machine (like Uriel AW level insane) - should be your next mtix if you stick with light
Metatron (AW) - burst repair - put her in the first sub slot, so if accidents happen, she can burst instantly and not break your full burst. With AW, she's actually worthy of taking Arty/LT's spot for debuff resistant stuff.
Frey - rage punisher
Raphael (AW) - ultimate staller with orb eat, dizzy and BP (with AW coming soon)

For what you have, assuming you mtix Tish, a beginner friendly lineup would be Tish, Mike, Arty, LT. Once you learn to use Take, I would use her instead of Arty or LT and either Ex Ambush or rely on Herc's axe to make up for the def down.

Don't be afraid to go into battle without Sol, since Tish's single target heal is a full-health heal (for 20% cost of Tish's hp.) With someone like Take, you usually finish the enemy before they finish you, and Tish can deal with those random consecutive DATA proc on the same hime emergency heal situations.

The typical ordering would be Tish, Michael AW, then the other two you pick - Tish casts TA buff on burst bottleneck (usually the soul, but if you're using Herc or Shingen, it might be Michael.) If you're using Take or draw someone like Lugh, you might want her in front of Tish since they're both faster than Tish when they use their abilities.

When you have so many light SSRs, it should be easy and fun to adapt your light team, since they all fill different roles and fill they very well. For some other elements, when you try to swap one hime out, it's like you have to resolve a Rubik's cube to cover all the buffs and debuffs again. Not so with light. I enjoy building light teams so much that I even composed a poem for it:

Mike plus Tish equals burst machine.
Pick two more and you have a great team.
They all have their roles and don't step on each others' toes.
Choosing is easy as pie then you kiss your enemies good bye.

[KitKat]

Oh? And would you care to explain this "ideal fire team" then?

Uriel>Svarog>Amon with one flex slot where you can choose between Ares AW,Acala AW(situational),Dakki Amaterasu and IMO Ares AW is generally the default pick.

Anyone who doesnt have one of those 3 should never pick Ama as a MT and even if they do its STILL not a good idea because shes not even in the top 3 of situational picks AND she will be even more irrelevant when Fire Frey and Vagahn come out.


You mean that in 99% of the cases when things matter... doesn't count somehow? Care to explain how on that one as well?

That situation is not even close to 99% of the cases but ive come to realise that char atk is alot better then i realised for newer players so ill concede that point.

[dreamlitz]

(as I was typing this I noticed dreamlitz mention assault value, no clue what that is D: If you can elaborate I'd appreciate it)

Some weapons have a skill called [fancy adjective] assault where the adjective is dependent on the element and power of the skill. Those weapons give what the community generally refer to as assault values. They count towards any himes whose element matches that of the weapon.

The assault value is X+0.5*weapon skill level (NOT to be confused with the weapon level - the skill level number appears next to the skill when you check its details and goes up to 20, except for FLB weapons, which go up to 30.) X depends on the power of the assault skill - small(no plus sign next to skill) = 0%, medium (+) = 3%, large (++) = 6%.

Unfortunately, the game does not sum up the assault values for you, so you have to go and check every equipped weapon and do the math yourself to come up with it. Note that there is a closely related skill called pride that also gives assault values, but is dependent on hp - lower the hp higher the assault.

A highly simplified dmg formula is dmg = base atk * (1 + assault) * (1 + elemental) * (a bunch of other stuff that's probably beyond the scope of the current discussion.)

That formula is the basis for Slashley's comment about you wanting to boost what you have less of, all else being equal (the disagreement is really about when all else is not equal and which situations actually matter if I am not misreading everyone's comments.)

[Zendo]

The assault value is X+0.5*weapon skill level (NOT to be confused with the weapon level - the skill level number appears next to the skill when you check its details and goes up to 20, except for FLB weapons, which go up to 30.) X depends on the power of the assault skill - small(no plus sign next to skill) = 0%, medium (+) = 3%, large (++) = 6%.

Understood, Thanks!

I'll calculate this for myself and see if I'm on track.


the game does not sum up the assault values for you, so you have to go and check every equipped weapon and do the math yourself to come up with it.

Imagine video game designers making information accessable for players, or thinking about whats convenient to them? This is mostly sarcasm but true in some cases...

[Slashley]

Uriel>Svarog>Amon with one flex slot where you can choose between Ares AW,Acala AW(situational),Dakki Amaterasu and IMO Ares AW is generally the default pick.

Anyone who doesnt have one of those 3 should never pick Ama as a MT and even if they do its STILL not a good idea because shes not even in the top 3 of situational picks AND she will be even more irrelevant when Fire Frey and Vagahn come out.You'd run with 0 debuffs?
I mean, there is content out there where that works, but I doubt that that's the optimal path for most content.
That situation is not even close to 99% of the cases but ive come to realise that char atk is alot better then i realised for newer players so ill concede that point.What "newer players"?
Let's say you have 9x 21% Assault FLB weapons. That makes you hit 189% Assault.
You run elemental advantage, a friend P2W Eidolon (100%) and offensive Soul weapon. That's 175% Elemental.

Which is better for you, Adra or Crom's Crotch?
And mind you, this is with the quiiiiite unlikely scenario that you're running 189% Assault.

[Unregistered]

You'd run with 0 debuffs?


You still need debuffs for solo content? :rofl:

Wasting one MT for a KH just for a SS replace is BS.
Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Furthermore Cerberus has a guaranteed 15% def down which means you would already have 45% def down if you use Fire Freyr and a Cerberus support.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.
Any of those 3 paired with Fire Freyr is already solid

And tbh if you need debuffs get Hercules and run SS.
you are better off to run Fire Amon than Amaterasu.

Anyway if you guys are sane then don't waste a MT for a useless unit which will become completly useless soon.

[Unregistered]

You'd run with 0 debuffs?
I mean, there is content out there where that works, but I doubt that that's the optimal path for most content.What "newer players"?
Let's say you have 9x 21% Assault FLB weapons. That makes you hit 189% Assault.
You run elemental advantage, a friend P2W Eidolon (100%) and offensive Soul weapon. That's 175% Elemental.

Which is better for you, Adra or Crom's Crotch?
And mind you, this is with the quiiiiite unlikely scenario that you're running 189% Assault.

Sorry but i have to say the point of a optimal fire team is to deal good dmg without debuff. But when you need it, you will never go wrong with Herc SS. So spent a MT for Ama is just bad

[Unregistered]

What "newer players"?
Let's say you have 9x 21% Assault FLB weapons. That makes you hit 189% Assault.
You run elemental advantage, a friend P2W Eidolon (100%) and offensive Soul weapon. That's 175% Elemental.

Which is better for you, Adra or Crom's Crotch?
And mind you, this is with the quiiiiite unlikely scenario that you're running 189% Assault.

This example is missing 2 rather important detail:

1) Accessories can give you 20+ assault pretty easily, as high as 40 if you're prioritizing it.
2) Svarog herself gives your team a constant 10-40 assault. (FAmon can counter this somewhat, but her buffs aren't on all the time)

As such, typically, once you hit around 150 assault (not that hard, 3 flb, 3 assault L, 3 assault M), it's better to start using the elemental ones unless you have a good (gatcha) assault eido (50+), particularly the ones with burst streak.

Also, since we're in a UE atm, I should point out that the union attack buff is also assault, so especially during these times, never use char eidos.


Also, also... a bit of a nitpick, but newer players aren't gonna have soul weapons, and will likely spend large portion of their time off element, since they are likely focusing on one element.

[KitKat]

You'd run with 0 debuffs?
I mean, there is content out there where that works, but I doubt that that's the optimal path for most content.

The people above me pretty much made my point for me so maybe you'll accept you're wrong from someone else.


What "newer players"?
Let's say you have 9x 21% Assault FLB weapons. That makes you hit 189% Assault.
You run elemental advantage, a friend P2W Eidolon (100%) and offensive Soul weapon. That's 175% Elemental.

Which is better for you, Adra or Crom's Crotch?
And mind you, this is with the quiiiiite unlikely scenario that you're running 189% Assault.

Already said i was wrong about this my viewpoint was mostly based on the pre relic era and off ele assumptions.

[Slashley]

You still need debuffs for solo content? :rofl:

Wasting one MT for a KH just for a SS replace is BS.
Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Furthermore Cerberus has a guaranteed 15% def down which means you would already have 45% def down if you use Fire Freyr and a Cerberus support.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.
Any of those 3 paired with Fire Freyr is already solid

And tbh if you need debuffs get Hercules and run SS.
you are better off to run Fire Amon than Amaterasu.

Anyway if you guys are sane then don't waste a MT for a useless unit which will become completly useless soon.
Sorry but i have to say the point of a optimal fire team is to deal good dmg without debuff. But when you need it, you will never go wrong with Herc SS. So spent a MT for Ama is just badI think both of you have quite unrealistic expectations of things. For example, the availability of Cerberus. Only now am I starting to see some Hanumans, and that thing has been out for... seven months now. Sure, you can keep rerolling until you find one for content that matters, though.

Another thing, why use unreliable SS, and/or use Herc in a Fire team, slowing down your entire team in this era of Shingen? Fire in particular has fairly ease access of a Phantom Lance Grids, something that Shingen particularly enjoys.

[KitKat]

I think both of you have quite unrealistic expectations of things. For example, the availability of Cerberus. Only now am I starting to see some Hanumans, and that thing has been out for... seven months now. Sure, you can keep rerolling until you find one for content that matters, though.

You dont even NEED cerberus thats just side note you didnt adress any of his main arguments.


Another thing, why use unreliable SS, and/or use Herc in a Fire team, slowing down your entire team in this era of Shingen? Fire in particular has fairly ease access of a Phantom Lance Grids, something that Shingen particularly enjoys.

Thats the point you dont even need herc and SS but its still a perfectly viable option no clue how its ''unreliable'' in any way shape or form.
Herc cant be used because shes slow but Ama is not??
Also theres no way someone running a null grid needs debuffs for solo content so thats a moot point.

[Slashley]

Ah, shit. There was a new page that I didn't notice.
This example is missing 2 rather important detail:

1) Accessories can give you 20+ assault pretty easily, as high as 40 if you're prioritizing it.
2) Svarog herself gives your team a constant 10-40 assault. (FAmon can counter this somewhat, but her buffs aren't on all the time)1. Does anyone prioritize Atk from Accessories...? As far as I've seen, pretty much everyone stacks Def, due it being superior for everything that isn't Target Dummy.
2. That is a good point. I entirely forgot about that since I don't have Svarog myself.
As such, typically, once you hit around 150 assault (not that hard, 3 flb, 3 assault L, 3 assault M), it's better to start using the elemental ones unless you have a good (gatcha) assault eido (50+), particularly the ones with burst streak.I don't really agree with that 150 point. Even after you account for Svarog, you're again at that 190% Assault range and 175% Elemental range. The difference between the two in damage output is next to nothing, while one of them also gives you 20% HP.

And yes, Ifrit/Fenrir/Giri are absolutely the second best Eidolons you can use, after P2W Eidolons. Burst Streak bonus is so damn good these days.
Giri please baby, daddy needs you, come home.
Also, since we're in a UE atm, I should point out that the union attack buff is also assault, so especially during these times, never use char eidos.True, but a special case. I, at least, always change my support Eidolons into the Elemental version during a Union event.
Also, also... a bit of a nitpick, but newer players aren't gonna have soul weapons, and will likely spend large portion of their time off element, since they are likely focusing on one element.Well, offensive Soul weapons are a huge factor, so they definitely should focus on getting those ASAP.
... of course, at the moment how exactly do newer players kill Ults is a big question, since veterans aren't really willing to spend 5 Seeds to help somebody clear an Ult... that cost reduction can't come fast enough.
Already said i was wrong about this my viewpoint was mostly based on the pre relic era and off ele assumptions.Oh yeah, I used to preach that a lot back in the day. But then slowly but surely people started having Grids for all elements, decent teams for all elements, and the general consensus seemed to switch from "one great team for all content" to "everyone runs on-element" :think:
I still have to fight pretty hard against the culture of "everyone runs on-element with perfect teams, no exceptions" which is constantly popping up. On Nutaku, you can have MAYBE one perfect team, assuming you buy MTs AND spend all of them on the same team.
You dont even NEED cerberus thats just side note you didnt adress any of his main arguments.And these "main arguments" were...?
Thats the point you dont even need herc and SS but its still a perfectly viable option no clue how its ''unreliable'' in any way shape or form.Umm, Sniper Shot hitrate is god-awful. Meanwhile, Hime not only typically have much higher accuracy on their debuffs, but can use 4(/6/10)% Affliction which basically guarantees always hitting. Thus, Hime are reliable, Sniper Shot is not.
Herc cant be used because shes slow but Ama is not??Herc can only go into first slot. Amaterasu can go into fifth slot.
Herc takes up space from a Soul that give everyone +20 Burst. Did Fire have anyone who had a team-wide +burst for Ama to steal a spot from?
Also theres no way someone running a null grid needs debuffs for solo content so thats a moot point.This kind of thinking is really backwards, I'd think. That's basically saying "There's no need to do more damage than what you already do", which is like, ????? If so, what's even the point in investing in a Miracle Ticket...?

The simple fact is, assuming non-debuff immune content (debuff-doomsayers, I'm still waiting for that...), debuffs will literally double your damage. For EACH of your five characters. As such, "sacrificing" a slot for a weaker Hime is not a bad thing, but a good thing. Think of it this way - Amaterasu reduces your enemy's Def from 10 to 8. This is a 25% damage increase, which means that the other four characters are basically covering up for Amaterasu's lack of offensive output already. It gets better though, since if Amaterasu drops Def from 7 to 5, that's a 40% damage increase. Even if you only have three strong units (Uriel, Svarog, Soul) at this point, you have a big damage boost on your hands. And, this still leaves Amaterasu with the rest of her toolkit: - 20% Atk Down, her amazing Blind, the Def up and Regen.

Now, this idea gets muddled up when new completely broken Hime show up. We already have Tish and are about to get Lugh, both of whom have a debuff AND are incredible in the offensive department. Vahagn (and I guess Fire Frey too, though I haven't looked her up) is also like this. Does Amaterasu get replaced by Hime like these? Sure. But the question is, WHEN? Only once you have -50% from such Hime already does Amaterasu lose her slot. And how long will that take? Well, let's see... about four months for one Miracle Ticket for Vahagn/Fire Frey, another four months for Fire/Frey Vahagn... oh, eight months. Because on Nutaku, you're NOT getting either of those Hime with Jewels, don't delude yourselves. That's eight months of gimping yourself just because you didn't want to look at Amaterasu.


The point is, I'm not saying to pick Amaterasu over Uriel or Svarog. Those two are in serious SSS+ tier and should never be skipped. Their firepower is so damn high that it's better to run Herc with her awful SS for debuffs and you'll still gain more damage output than with Amaterasu. However - that doesn't mean that you should underestimate just how damn good Amaterasu is. Yes, she NEEDS content where she can apply her debuffs to work. But in debuffable content, she continues to complete Fire. She is an option for all those who already have Uriel and Svarog, and damn it, until I see this debuff-immune content I will continue to say it.

[Zendo]

I probably should not get in on this but why not.


You still need debuffs for solo content? :rofl:

I, the person who asked for advice, do ye. Very much so, my account isn't nearly as strong as yours. As other players kindly pointed out I'm in the early game. Debuffs matter for me, that being said it doesn't help versus debuff resistant bosses; then brute force is the way.


Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

This answers my question if Frey becomes available next MT, so thank you!

Also glad to hear I don't have to pick up Uriel and can get Frey instead.


Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Three things:

1. I believe that Amaterasu and Frey are incomparable to some extent. They serve different purposes and Amaterasu holds different utility alongside different stages of the game. She suffers from diminishing returns the further you advance in the game.
2. I believe that for me Amaterasu holds more value than to you. Simply because we are in different stages of the game. I still value healing when my Kamihime have 6k HP on average. That being said, I understand that healing isn't always necessary. Here I like to draw on what dreamlitz said earlier and I agree with.
3. I believe Amaterasu is a slowpoke late game and when debuffs don't matter as much. So, in your situation. I still rely on my precious debuffs D:


then you decide what you need most for a given encounter

That it is nice to have the option to swap certain Kamihime out based on your needs. Amaterasu has healing, if I need healing I need Amaterasu (I have Sol so I can potentially use her, as using a MT to substitute might be a waste).

Amaterasu is beginner friendly, Im a beginner. So she holds value, but her value diminishes as I progress and Amon retains her value. I understand that point.


Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.

U mentioned earlier that Uriel can be replaced by Frey, therefore this MT (for me specifically) Amon holds more value.


This is a 25% damage increase, which means that the other four characters are basically covering up for Amaterasu's lack of offensive output already.

The way I understand it is: ATK gets buffs from several INDIVIDUAL modifiers, Character ATK/Elemental ATK, debuffs increase all that damage by 25%. Therefore it holds value in non-debuff resistant/immune bosses. But I can also see their point, because THEY have insane DAMAGE. I DONT, therefore I value debuffs! And struggle against debuff resistant bosses because I lack damage. Both of you have points but in different scenario's.


(and I guess Fire Frey too, though I haven't looked her up)

Her burst gauge is twice as big, 30% resistance down but consumes a flat 50 (I think, the wiki didnt mention a %) of burst gauge, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY: she is a transformer!!! She is the true Last Knight (movie reference)


However - that doesn't mean that you should underestimate just how damn good Amaterasu is. Yes, she NEEDS content where she can apply her debuffs to work. But in debuffable content, she continues to complete Fire. She is an option for all those who already have Uriel and Svarog, and damn it

+1

Heck no Im skipping the loli with the annoying voice and getting Frey/Vahagn next MT; but thats next MT!

This MT is either Amaterasu or Amon for me at least. Im in the early game so I believe Amaterasu holds significant value, but if I need healing I can sub her for Sol potentially if I pick Amon. I don't know its hard to decide which is better. Mainly because Amon is wearing a maid outfit. I wanna waifu this MT really bad, plus a lot of people say she is valuable later on. But I need healing grrr.

[Slashley]

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This MT is either Amaterasu or Amon for me at least. Im in the early game so I believe Amaterasu holds significant value, but if I need healing I can sub her for Sol potentially if I pick Amon. I don't know its hard to decide which is better. Mainly because Amon is wearing a maid outfit. I wanna waifu this MT really bad, plus a lot of people say she is valuable later on. But I need healing grrr.Notice that healing is certainly something you won't need long term - in a couple of months maybe, even. Amaterasu is a bad healer (heals less per turn than SR Brynhildr), but more importantly, she REDUCES the amount of damage you take. Against normal attacks (because yes, they matter, especially when enemies Combo) her Blind is a life saver. Against Overdrives, her -20% Atk and Def up will take the brunt off the hit.

So uh, tl;dr; don't mistake Amaterasu for a healer - she mitigates more than what she heals. I don't know if that difference actually matters all that much, but just for the record~~

As for Fire Amon, she will supposedly be good for a long, long time. Personally, I'm not sure. It feels like everyone is assuming that Fire Amon users also have 2-Star Echida, in which case yes, she's a beast. She's still very good even without (and has that fabled +20 burst to all I see, plus is a Full Burst buffer which is highly valued for end-game), but I wouldn't call her Svarog/Uriel tier.

[Unregistered]

Notice that healing is certainly something you won't need long term - in a couple of months maybe, even. Amaterasu is a bad healer (heals less per turn than SR Brynhildr), but more importantly, she REDUCES the amount of damage you take. Against normal attacks (because yes, they matter, especially when enemies Combo) her Blind is a life saver. Against Overdrives, her -20% Atk and Def up will take the brunt off the hit.

So uh, tl;dr; don't mistake Amaterasu for a healer - she mitigates more than what she heals. I don't know if that difference actually matters all that much, but just for the record~~

As for Fire Amon, she will supposedly be good for a long, long time. Personally, I'm not sure. It feels like everyone is assuming that Fire Amon users also have 2-Star Echida, in which case yes, she's a beast. She's still very good even without (and has that fabled +20 burst to all I see, plus is a Full Burst buffer which is highly valued for end-game), but I wouldn't call her Svarog/Uriel tier.

Don’t compare Amon with Uriel and Svarog, they do different things, Amon with her 20% assault and 50% ele buff increase the FB dmg by ~30%. And her 20% party BG is fucking amazing because you don’t have to rely on shitty Shingen’s combo rate in the first cycle. The 20% cut is a nice bonus too

[KTA]

Don’t compare Amon with Uriel and Svarog, they do different things, Amon with her 20% assault and 50% ele buff increase the FB dmg by ~30%. And her 20% party BG is fucking amazing because you don’t have to rely on shitty Shingen’s combo rate in the first cycle. The 20% cut is a nice bonus too

^ this. I won't comment on those numbers, but Uri is a main attacker, while Svarog is for slow ramp up damage. The point of Amon is to accelerate the team to critical mass. The nuke damage is just a bonus; her main role is to act as a bridge between normal and PF FB's. Her weakness is that she doesn't have any personal BG up steroids, but we're talking about Fire, almost all the other good units accelerate themselves, hence why letting her be the slowest member is ideal. Her worth is without question, and she's already a core fire unit to veteran fire mains.

[Dejnov]

So I was waiting to spend my jewels on rolling Lugh and no dice. I did end up with Dian Cecht instead!

Since there isn't a Light Hime I'm interested in MTixing, I'm looking for some help with my Fire or Thunder teams.

My current Fire team is Amaterasu, Prometheus, Sonsaku Sheren, and Brynhildr (SR) with Agni (SR) and Eligos (SR) in sub.

My current Thunder team is Mammon, Dian Cecht, Azrael (SR), and Cyclops (SR) with Gryla (SR) and Nemesis (SR) in sub.


Any great SSR choices for either Fire or Thunder (with a Lance would be super helpful, but not a priority)?


Dejnov.

[AutoCrimson]

Uriel
(10 chars)

[Slashley]

My current Fire team is Amaterasu, Prometheus, Sonsaku Sheren, and Brynhildr (SR) with Agni (SR) and Eligos (SR) in sub.

My current Thunder team is Mammon, Dian Cecht, Azrael (SR), and Cyclops (SR) with Gryla (SR) and Nemesis (SR) in sub.--As always, the answer for Fire is Svarog/Uriel.

For Thunder, either SSR Baal or Raiko. If you're looking for Lances in Thunder, I think Baal can provide...? Not sure.

[Kitty]

Fire Amon too.

[Unregistered]

SSR Baal : Thunder Lance Velyagloush : Pride++ & Ascension
Great self sustaining attacker with thunder down debuff

Athena : Sacred Lance Aegis : Defender++ & Assault
Niche tank that laughs at Water & single target attacks

As for non lance giving characters
Raiko is a great all rounder, Atk down, 45% team shield, 30 burst for entire team at cost of 12% health ( but you have Dian to counter this)

Tyr is also great fun, with her awakened buff a few months ago she can hit for 2.5m burst.

[AutoCrimson]

Athena and Tyr are a NO. Athena too niche, while Tyr needs to manual

[Slashley]

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Raiko is a great all rounder, Atk down, 45% team shield, --Raiko is 30% damage cut.
Athena and Tyr are a NO. Athena too niche, while Tyr needs to manualAthena is fine if he only runs Thunder against Water.
Tyr, now that her rework is here, isn't bad at all either. Probably not MT worthy though.

[AutoCrimson]

Athena is fine if he only runs Thunder against Water.
thats i meant by "niche"
Tyr is good, i cant say otherwise, but you need to control her.

[Unregistered]

Raiko is 30% damage cut.Athena is fine if he only runs Thunder against Water.
Tyr, now that her rework is here, isn't bad at all either. Probably not MT worthy though.

Was Raiko nerfed at some point? I've had her since forever and could of sworn it was 45%, hmm, shame if true.

Baal/Tyr/Raiko are the ones that allow you to keep up with Shingen.

Marduk & Justitia both fill their burst gauge but that isn't consistent enough IMO

[Superbia]

Was Raiko nerfed at some point? I've had her since forever and could of sworn it was 45%, hmm, shame if true.

Baal/Tyr/Raiko are the ones that allow you to keep up with Shingen.

Marduk & Justitia both fill their burst gauge but that isn't consistent enough IMO

Marduk once awakened will also gain 30 over three turns, once she fills her gauge using her ability. So, she is more consistent now.

[Slashley]

Was Raiko nerfed at some point? I've had her since forever and could of sworn it was 45%, hmm, shame if trueNo Hime has ever had 45% damage cuts. Hime are generally 30%, 35% or 40%, with variable cooldowns and durations. Even on DMM it looks like there's only been a few Hime that go above this.

[animagates]

Hi, a new player here.

I just got rerolling and got 2 accounts like below:

1. SSR Eido 100% Water Rudra + SSR Fire Ares

2. SSR Eido 100% Light Managarmr + SSR Wind Gaia


Now, I'm planning to invest on the MT but still conflicted on which account.
May I ask for some advice which accounts would be worth to invest in the long run?

[AutoCrimson]

light, even tho Fluffy isnt 100% per se

[animagates]

light, even tho Fluffy isnt 100% per se

Thanks for the advice, may I know the main reason why Light over Water?

[Slashley]

light, even tho Fluffy isnt 100% per seFluffy is plenty 100%.
Thanks for the advice, may I know the main reason why Light over Water?Light SSRs are generally all insane. Michael and Tish at the moment are probably your strongest picks.

[animagates]

Fluffy is plenty 100%.Light SSRs are generally all insane. Michael and Tish at the moment are probably your strongest picks.

I see thanks, I will go with Light then.

[Unregistered]

I see thanks, I will go with Light then.

Mike only good after AW, Tish only shine in an already funtional team. Pls pick Sol and make your early game easy.

[animagates]

Mike only good after AW, Tish only shine in an already funtional team. Pls pick Sol and make your early game easy.

I see, Sol looks like good choice for 1st MT. Thanks!

[dreamlitz]

I see, Sol looks like good choice for 1st MT. Thanks!

Ehh, beg to differ. If you only intend to spend only one mtix ever, then Sol is a good choice. But if you are willing to spend a few, I would still do Mike first, then Tish and maybe after that Sol (you may not need Sol by that point and will probably go for Lugh or Iris.)

The earlier post about Mike only being good after AW and Tish needs a good team are both true, but mtix dun come often, so I would argue it's better to spend it on your core team. Sol is still good and I use her every now and then, but she is not core for a modern light team.

Sol is very beginner friendly, that's true, but you don't need her to be able to farm up to full SR disaster grid, and once you have that and a few event eidolons to boost your stats, you really should be looking to move off defensive style play. Sol might shorten that beginning period, but Mike and Tish will provide much more value in the medium to very long term.

[Unregistered]

guys i have a question
these miracle ticket is free?? the banner say it will direct to your inventary but i don´t have it =O

[dreamlitz]

guys i have a question
these miracle ticket is free?? the banner say it will direct to your inventary but i don´t have it =O

Eh, no, miracle tickets cost $50. You get a regular 10-chain gacha pull with it, so I guess you could say it only costs $20 since a regular premium gacha pull is $30, but not free.

The only free one I am aware of is the SR miracle ticket that you get from newcomer login bonus (day 3 if iirc.)

All tickets appear in items - where you see how many potions and seeds you have, next tab over is mats, last tab will show you all the tickets you have.

[Kitty]

guys i have a question
these miracle ticket is free?? the banner say it will direct to your inventary but i don´t have it =O

that's some wishful thinking. but ye, sadly not free lol

[Crow]

guys i have a question
these miracle ticket is free?? the banner say it will direct to your inventary but i don´t have it =O

If you are talking about the SR miracle ticket, it is a bit hard to find indeed. You need to access it via the event banner available from the main screen. It will have a position among the lines of 'SR miracle ticket exchange'. The miracle ticket exchange in Gatcha menu is only for the paid / SSR Mtx.

[Modsyl]

Ok so I currently have a light team with Mike, Diana, LT, and Sol (Metatron and Forseti as subs). Should I get Tish rn or wait for Lugh? I am only planning on buying a single MT.

[Kitty]

Ok so I currently have a light team with Mike, Diana, LT, and Sol (Metatron and Forseti as subs). Should I get Tish rn or wait for Lugh? I am only planning on buying a single MT.

I'd say go for Tish. Without Tish, Lugh isn't at her full potential. Tish is really good alone, though, since she can heal herself anyway. Plus, she's better than Lugh for AAB content.

[Dejnov]

Ok so I currently have a light team with Mike, Diana, LT, and Sol (Metatron and Forseti as subs). Should I get Tish rn or wait for Lugh? I am only planning on buying a single MT.

Tish and Mike are the core Himes for a Light Fast Burst team. Lugh is not. She's clearly augmented a lot when you have Mike and Tish, but you need them first. Once you have Mike and Tish, you can pick Himes that work decently on a fast burst team and replace with better Himes at a later date or as needs change. You can have a very strong team with LT, Tish, Sol, Mike and hit the full DEF down debuff. You can rotate out LT for either Shamash or Athena (with Joan for Shingen sub) for a strong defense and survivability on Thunder and Wind Rags; you can switch out LT for Take so that you can hit 3T bursting, etc.

But you can't do most of that without both Mike and Tish...


Dejnov.

[tidalwake]

Ok, I think I have two viable options and I need to know which fits.

Light (my main team, 65k+ atk)
Mike, Tish, Tsuki, Sol. Also have Meta and Light Athena
Still missing Lugh, but that doesn't matter for this MT. Is Takeminakata a good fit to have a high dmg substitute for content I don't need Sol for or does Meta already fill that roll? No one else I really want for Light, I don't have Vishnu, Frey, or SSArty but I don't think they are that great unless I am missing something?

Thunder (Secondary team, 59k+ atk)
BaalU, Thunder Aphro, Brahama, Mammon, Tyr, Thor, Marduk, Jupiter, Raiko
Crucially I have the 100% Thunder Eido though I don't enjoy using Thunder as much as Light. Question here is should I get the new Thunder healer as they seem really good. But is she better than Thunder Aphro? My main problem with thunder is I hate how squishy they seem and how difficult it is to use correctly. I am sure this could be fixed with "git gud" but I am not there yet.

Not sure which one will impact the overall play more. Could use some help. Thanks

[dreamlitz]

Light (my main team, 65k+ atk)
Mike, Tish, Tsuki, Sol. Also have Meta and Light Athena
Still missing Lugh, but that doesn't matter for this MT. Is Takeminakata a good fit to have a high dmg substitute for content I don't need Sol for or does Meta already fill that roll? No one else I really want for Light, I don't have Vishnu, Frey, or SSArty but I don't think they are that great unless I am missing something?

Thunder is my absolute worst team, so I will let others comment on that one.

Your light team is very strong already and I have to suppress my light obsession to say this, but spending the mtix on another team and using the next mtix for Lugh probably makes the most sense.

If you do use an mtix for light, Takeminakata is indeed probably the best one. She is pretty versatile but her speed and dmg output is inconsistent and requires some getting used to. Not everyone likes her because of that, so make sure you understand how she works before you mtix her. I find her very good for debuff resistant and high defense bosses 'cos her echo burst bypasses all defenses and for chores that I just want to get through quickly (like advents and lower level AQ if you do those.) If you just want to 'store' dmg and unleash one big number (e.g. for GO), Meta AW is your girl and you have her already.

If you don't like Take but insists on spending an mtix on light, I would actually recommend Eros. Between Sol and Eros, you should be able to deal with whatever random mechanic the devs throw at us. This is pretty far out, but Eros also gets an AW next Feb that makes her very good. For now though, her main role on your team would be to provide tactical options. If you just want to hit hard though, she isn't gonna help (until her AW.)

I would not mtix Vishnu, Frey or SSArty. Vishnu is gimmicky, Frey is a one-trick pony, and SSArty is falling out of meta due to Lugh and Iris. They aren't bad, just that light has some insanely good himes =P

[tidalwake]

Thunder is my absolute worst team, so I will let others comment on that one.

Your light team is very strong already and I have to suppress my light obsession to say this, but spending the mtix on another team and using the next mtix for Lugh probably makes the most sense.

If you do use an mtix for light, Takeminakata is indeed probably the best one. She is pretty versatile but her speed and dmg output is inconsistent and requires some getting used to. Not everyone likes her because of that, so make sure you understand how she works before you mtix her. I find her very good for debuff resistant and high defense bosses 'cos her echo burst bypasses all defenses and for chores that I just want to get through quickly (like advents and lower level AQ if you do those.) If you just want to 'store' dmg and unleash one big number (e.g. for GO), Meta AW is your girl and you have her already.

If you don't like Take but insists on spending an mtix on light, I would actually recommend Eros. Between Sol and Eros, you should be able to deal with whatever random mechanic the devs throw at us. This is pretty far out, but Eros also gets an AW next Feb that makes her very good. For now though, her main role on your team would be to provide tactical options. If you just want to hit hard though, she isn't gonna help (until her AW.)

I would not mtix Vishnu, Frey or SSArty. Vishnu is gimmicky, Frey is a one-trick pony, and SSArty is falling out of meta due to Lugh and Iris. They aren't bad, just that light has some insanely good himes =P

Thanks for the info. I actually already have Eros but she is so far out of meta that I didn't mention her. Maybe with her AW she will find a use but right now she is on the bench

[Dejnov]

Thunder is my absolute worst team, so I will let others comment on that one.

Your light team is very strong already and I have to suppress my light obsession to say this, but spending the mtix on another team and using the next mtix for Lugh probably makes the most sense.

If you do use an mtix for light, Takeminakata is indeed probably the best one. She is pretty versatile but her speed and dmg output is inconsistent and requires some getting used to. Not everyone likes her because of that, so make sure you understand how she works before you mtix her. I find her very good for debuff resistant and high defense bosses 'cos her echo burst bypasses all defenses and for chores that I just want to get through quickly (like advents and lower level AQ if you do those.) If you just want to 'store' dmg and unleash one big number (e.g. for GO), Meta AW is your girl and you have her already.

If you don't like Take but insists on spending an mtix on light, I would actually recommend Eros. Between Sol and Eros, you should be able to deal with whatever random mechanic the devs throw at us. This is pretty far out, but Eros also gets an AW next Feb that makes her very good. For now though, her main role on your team would be to provide tactical options. If you just want to hit hard though, she isn't gonna help (until her AW.)

I would not mtix Vishnu, Frey or SSArty. Vishnu is gimmicky, Frey is a one-trick pony, and SSArty is falling out of meta due to Lugh and Iris. They aren't bad, just that light has some insanely good himes =P


I agree with all of dreamlitz's comments and add two cents to the discussion. If you're going to main Light, spend the ticket on Light. Don't dilute your investment. You have a very strong team to begin with and now the only thing left is how you bring Himes with 'options' to the mix. For that I'll suggest you pick from this list: Shamash, Raphael, Eros, and Atum.

Shamash has a blob eat as part of her burst and is a damage mitigation tank for normal attacks. Very very nice as she reduces your teams' overall received damage and (with Tish's TA buff) is a very fast Hime (can be potentially faster than Lugh or Take). Having blob eat on a fast light team is kind of cool. You can get this off every 4th round.

Eros has the ability to block an affliction and lasts until used. She gets awakened later which will add 20 BG when the debuff stops an affliction and her barrier drops to 6T base and 5T leveled up with a 3T cycle meaning you'll have it up nearly most of the time. The affliction block is on 7T so it's hard to use Eros to consistently speed up your team, but it definitely helps.

Raphael just got awakened and now has Mode Gauge restriction 20%, remove 1 blob and increase 1 blob. That's a lot of mode gauge control (especially if you can pair it with Shamash). Once we hit debuff resistant content, this might be a better pairing than Tsuku/Lugh for certain content (enemies with dangerous rage mode nukes, etc.).

Atum (which I'm just learning) may not be a core Hime, but does have a 50% individual Vigor buff (+50% special attack so stacks with everything) on her heal that can cycle every burst (also it's on a 4T cooldown anyways). I can definitely see a burst team getting two or maybe three Vigors up (not to mention like 6k base focused healing) every 4th turn. She also has ability cooldown and ability damage up which can help with Himes long cooldown nukes.


Dejnov.

[Crow]

On a contrary, isn't it good to start transitioning to Thunder, if you have 100% Eido? Likely, you will be able to fill in the Thunder team faster, than you will be able to get 100% light Eido...

[dreamlitz]

On a contrary, isn't it good to start transitioning to Thunder, if you have 100% Eido? Likely, you will be able to fill in the Thunder team faster, than you will be able to get 100% light Eido...

Probably... Tidalwake seems to be complaining about thunder being hard to play though. Sometimes having options is more important than hitting hard, and light definitely provides options given the himes he has. Dejnov gave more details on light himes that further expands the tactical options. I know very little about thunder, so I don't know whether it gets easier/more versatile with the right himes so I can't comment further (where are the thunder mains, Slashley you want to comment?)


Also, I didn't notice this until I reread the posts but:


The affliction block is on 7T so it's hard to use Eros to consistently speed up your team, but it definitely helps.

Very important note about Eros AW - whenever she bursts, she can recast the affliction block, so on a fast light team, she can have it up pretty much all the time unless you're up against bosses that spam DoT every turn or something (but that also means your team will be super fast as a result.)

[Slashley]

-- I know very little about thunder, so I don't know whether it gets easier/more versatile with the right himes so I can't comment further (where are the thunder mains, Slashley you want to comment?)--I'd say Thunder is still a very straightforward "kill it before it kills you" element. Technically you can play a more "control" build now that Dian is out, I guess. Or a Phantom Elemental Lord Thor build, I mean, that's always an option.

Either way, the problem with Thunder is that unless you have Thunder Aphro, Fire just does the whole "kill it before it kills you" thing way better. With Kirin, if you want to be serious with Thunder you need to be looking at the first MT of 2020, which will hopefully give us mere mortals Thunder Aphro. So, if you want to commit to that build, grabbing Marduk/Dian/Raiko would probably be a good option for now.

EDIT: Oh hey, I just noticed that the guy we're talking about has Kirin, Thunder Aphro, Marduk and Raiko, so is only missing Dian.
If his Thunder feels squishy after that, he'll just need more Assault/Defenders in his Grid (or a Phantom Gun Grid, I guess?).

[Dejnov]

Probably... Tidalwake seems to be complaining about thunder being hard to play though. Sometimes having options is more important than hitting hard, and light definitely provides options given the himes he has. Dejnov gave more details on light himes that further expands the tactical options. I know very little about thunder, so I don't know whether it gets easier/more versatile with the right himes so I can't comment further (where are the thunder mains, Slashley you want to comment?)


Also, I didn't notice this until I reread the posts but:



Very important note about Eros AW - whenever she bursts, she can recast the affliction block, so on a fast light team, she can have it up pretty much all the time unless you're up against bosses that spam DoT every turn or something (but that also means your team will be super fast as a result.)


Shamash has blob eat on burst (!!) and Atum has a single source heal (~5k or so) and Vigor buff (+50%) on burst. Combine either/both with Michael and Tishtrya to keep them going can be a potent combination. That gives you one heavy hitter a (Vigor/TA/Crit/ Counterattack) buffed Shamash or, if she's doing well on life, you can try buffing others with Vigor as you go through each full burst.

You can rotate Eros out as needed on heavy affliction content (as it's hard to have room for Sol these days). Another option with the Shamash and Mich/Tish combo is to add Vishnu instead of Atum as she generates a 4T barrier on burst (Shamash also draws attacks) which can swap in a 2nd heavy hitter. That drops the Vigor buff and the 5k solo heal from Atum, but adds the second big hitter and makes the team even faster. Or if you're aiming for DEF down, you can add/swap Lugh/Tsuku/Arty to the choice. I believe that Tsuku is a weaker choice compared to Lugh and/or Arty, but will work to meet the DEF down cap.

Depending on what you have and the content you're facing you can switch Himes out and in as needed. Building 'content' specific teams is how Light overcomes difficult content. Wind does this also very very well. The biggest issue with this gameplay, as opposed to the get the few borken Himes for you element, is that you have to build specific rosters (I have four dedicated rosters atm, but am trying to find a 5th slot and different Himes) and then you will also have to farm enough accessories and magna for all of those teams. Some elements can get away with the '4 best Himes EVAR!!' and that makes it cheap to keep them going. I'm struggling to get my wish list below 7 or 8 foundational Himes. Mike and Tish are in almost every team, but the others rotate as they're needed. I see a lot of Light Rag farming in my future...


Dejnov.


P.S. Keep forgetting about Iris and how she'll change the game... just a couple more months...

[Slashley]

So, SR Miracle Ticket is available from the new Panel Missions. I'm surprised there isn't already a dozen questions on what is the best SR to get. Well, maybe that'll happen tomorrow, since it's rather easy to take your Gem Gachas before you reach page3, locking you out for today.


And on a slightly related note, no, I don't have a good answer for who are the best SRs for each element.

[Kitty]

IMO, best SRs for each element: <br />
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Fire: Argos or SR Nergal (that's who I picked) &lt;3 <br />
Water: Haurvatat or Venus <br />
Wind: Iblis or Oberon <br />
Thunder: Cyclops or Gryla <br />
Light: Diana or Durga or Forseti...

[Laventale]

Wind: Iblis or Oberon

It's funny that, even with all the powercreep, these 2 characters that have been since, pretty much, the start of the game, keep being so important to poorfags like me.

[Chrestomancy]

Still no SSR Fire for me, so SR Nergal looks good - if available.

[Kitty]

IIRC, you can get any SR that came out even after the MTix came out.
e.g. next event Metis comes out, and you can claim her from this campaigns SR MTix.
Not sure, though. It was like that for DMM ones, and the previous SR MTix we got.

(but yes, SR Nergal is definitely available, as that's who I picked myself.)

[Unregistered]

My team consists of the following: Uriel, Svarog, Argos and Culyune, as well as Belial. I just bought the miracle ticket (and got nothing from the 10x pull) so I was wondering who I should snap up from it. My options (at least those that I know of) are Amaterasu and Ares, but are there any other kamihime worth getting from the MTix? Please enlighten me.

[Kitty]

My team consists of the following: Uriel, Svarog, Argos and Culyune, as well as Belial. I just bought the miracle ticket (and got nothing from the 10x pull) so I was wondering who I should snap up from it. My options (at least those that I know of) are Amaterasu and Ares, but are there any other kamihime worth getting from the MTix? Please enlighten me.

Enma > Amaterasu

Go for Fire Amon. She's the best out of the ones you don't already have.

[Slashley]

My team consists of the following: Uriel, Svarog, Argos and Culyune, as well as Belial. I just bought the miracle ticket (and got nothing from the 10x pull) so I was wondering who I should snap up from it. My options (at least those that I know of) are Amaterasu and Ares, but are there any other kamihime worth getting from the MTix? Please enlighten me.Vahagn is on the same powerlevel as Uriel and Svarog, but sadly, shouldn't be available in current MT.

Dakki can be nice if all you fight is Wind, but since I assume that you run Fire against everything, that means either Amaterasu for defensive purposes (that Blind can be a game changer especially when off-element) or Maid Amon to power up your Full Bursts and Burst Cycle.

[Unregistered]

Hey so I just got the SR miracle ticket and im not sure who to use it for. Give me some suggestions please.

[dreamlitz]

What element do you main and who do you already have? If you just want a generic list of good SR, Kitty made a list one page back: <br />
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I would also add Djehuti (5% hp passive) and Sati (light rst...

[Crow]

Hello kind veterans. This is not strictly a MT question, but still on the potential KH gain.

My current roster includes Michael, Sol, Vishnu, Takeminakata and Metatron (plus main supplementary SRs). I have a stock of gems to use on chance up and I wonder if I should try to get Iris or Tishtraya, who will have chance-up later this week?

While giving my best shot, I will likely fail in getting either. I'm also likely to buy next MT, since this is a thread of that. And the question holds - which one of those to get in that scenario? Or maybe Lugh?

[dreamlitz]

Hello kind veterans. This is not strictly a MT question, but still on the potential KH gain.

My current roster includes Michael, Sol, Vishnu, Takeminakata and Metatron (plus main supplementary SRs). I have a stock of gems to use on chance up and I wonder if I should try to get Iris or Tishtraya, who will have chance-up later this week?

While giving my best shot, I will likely fail in getting either. I'm also likely to buy next MT, since this is a thread of that. And the question holds - which one of those to get in that scenario? Or maybe Lugh?

I have yet to pull Iris or Lugh, but my understanding is that both Iris and Lugh are faster and hits harder than Tish, so for mtix, I suggest Iris > Lugh > Tish. Note that the ordering is highly dependent on your play style and the content you're facing:


If you are not using Hercules or Shingen as soul and you do not see yourself unlocking/using them for a while, get Tish first, since Tish can speed up any bottleneck in the burst cycle. Both Iris and Lugh have amazing burst effects, so you want them on fast teams not bottlenecked by the soul.
If you see yourself playing support role in rags instead of DPS, I would do Tish > Iris > Lugh 'cos both Joan and Andro are slow.
If you want to be competitive in dummy and tower, probably get Lugh first.
If you like to AAB everything, Iris > Tish > Lugh.


As for jewel pulls, rumor is that non-new characters have higher rate-ups, so you have better odds of pulling Tish than Iris if rumors are true, but no one really knows, so, flip a coin if you can't decide...

[Crow]

Thank you for recommendations. I should be able to unlock Herc during current event, still long way to Joan or Andro. But I think that AABing is the very solid point here. Tish is clearly sub-optimal for AAB, but also I have seen a lot of 'Need Mike and Tish in any Light team' comments (including your very detailed answer in Consolidated light thread)...

[Unregistered]

It seems like there are two different kinds: SR and SSR...yes? Do they expire?

I ask because it seems like the miracle ticket exchange changed in the last 24 hours or so and I no longer have a ticket I used to have. I’m a new player and trying to figure out how the mechanics that drive this game actually work.

[Slashley]

It seems like there are two different kinds: SR and SSR...yes? Do they expire? All Miracle Tickets expire two weeks after you get them in your inventory. So yeah, those things are gone if you're logged out for a long time.

The game starts to remind you upon login when you have an item about to expire in the next week, so for active players it's unlikely you'll forget.

[dreamlitz]

Thank you for recommendations. I should be able to unlock Herc during current event, still long way to Joan or Andro. But I think that AABing is the very solid point here. Tish is clearly sub-optimal for AAB, but also I have seen a lot of 'Need Mike and Tish in any Light team' comments (including your very detailed answer in Consolidated light thread)...

I actually AAB with Tish a lot (or used to, until I discovered that I'm strong enough to AAB with a utility-heavy team.) Yes, she eats 40% of her hp every 6 turns, which works out to like 6.66%/turn on average. However, on burst, she has def up, barrier and regen, so in a decently fast team, she doesn't die quite as quickly as you expect (but still plan on her dying if you AAB with her.) I dun AAB her for something like GO where it drags on too long of course. Lugh otoh is like 15% hp burn every turn on AAB...

And I still think Tish + Mike is solid. Let me quickly go over the problem with skipping Tish:

Iris needs a fast team to draw out her potential - her swords last 5T (except rainbow) and burst effects last 3T - remember she is not OP unless she bursts. If your burst cycle is longer than 5T, you start losing swords. Ideally you want your burst cycle to be 3T or shorter so she has buffs up continuously. If you are not yet using Herc or Shingen AND you don't have Tish, you don't have a chance of hitting 3-5T burst cycle unless you somehow can stack up to near 100% DATA.

Lugh needs heal to use abi 3 often, otherwise she's just a mediocre nuker. If you mtix Lugh and you don't have Sol, Atum nor Tish, you're gonna need to rely on Belobog or Attar to keep Lugh alive unless you use Andro as soul (which kinda defeats the purpose of going on offense.) Both Tish and Atum provide nice offensive buffs and complement Lugh very well. Sol especially after AW provides better utility and heal than Andro so she's also a good choice.

In your case though, you already have a very good light roster - lots of fast himes so Iris will do very well, and you also have Sol, so Lugh will also live to do well. That is why I recommend Tish as lowest priority for you. Btw, Tish is by no means obsolete - she's still good for a glass canon build or a utility heavy build that doesn't hit like noodles. Her lance is also kinda required for end-game grids - even if you are building a phantom glaive grid instead of lance grid - 'cos when her FLB comes, it's assault, exceed, ascension - you'll want some exceed in your grid and ascension is very nice if you're trying to carry a rag.

That might be more info than you asked for, but just wanted to make sure the record is clear that I do not think any less of Tish just 'cos Lugh and Iris have come (dun want to be accused of hating yet another popular hime...)

[Modsyl]

Ok so I have 0 wind SR and SSR but I have hraes, so I was wondering which SSR wind is considered the most "core"?

[quelbyn96]

Hello everyone, currently my main team is windy. I have all the souls in the game but only shinge, morgan and hercules with their level-up weapons. I also only have cybele U as SSR, all wind SR, 51359 of dmg and 100% eidolon.

My goal is to pass the Raid Quests Ultimate of wind. What kamehime do you recommend getting with the MT and what equipment should I use?

[Slashley]

Ok so I have 0 wind SR and SSR but I have hraes, so I was wondering which SSR wind is considered the most "core"?
Hello everyone, currently my main team is windy. I have all the souls in the game but only shinge, morgan and hercules with their level-up weapons. I also only have cybele U as SSR, all wind SR, 51359 of dmg and 100% eidolon.

-- What kamehime do you recommend getting with the MT and what equipment should I use?Awakened Cu Chulainn is goddamn insane, but not as insane as Azazel Awakening is gonna be in ~5 weeks.
My goal is to pass the Raid Quests Ultimate of wind.If you mean that you want to solo Ult Wind, honestly, my best advice is to get Uriel or Svarog. Because it is debuff immune content - and debuff immune content is fucking stupid - you simply need to be more powerful than your opponent to win. If you really want to fight Wind with Wind, then manualing with Gaia might work too. But then you don't have firepower, and considering how Ult Wind is content you need to fight 4783247829, I can't really recommend manualing it.

[quelvin96]

Awakened Cu Chulainn is goddamn insane, but not as insane as Azazel Awakening is gonna be in ~5 weeks.If you mean that you want to solo Ult Wind, honestly, my best advice is to get Uriel or Svarog. Because it is debuff immune content - and debuff immune content is fucking stupid - you simply need to be more powerful than your opponent to win. If you really want to fight Wind with Wind, then manualing with Gaia might work too. But then you don't have firepower, and considering how Ult Wind is content you need to fight 4783247829, I can't really recommend manualing it.

So, for example, having Shinge with his spear, I have to wait for Azasel awake and go for a Burst team. Or for this type of equipment does Titania or Aether combine me more?

[Slashley]

So, for example, having Shinge with his spear, I have to wait for Azasel awake and go for a Burst team. Or for this type of equipment does Titania or Aether combine me more?Azazel goes with everything. Titania, Aether and Cu sure help, but Azazel is what will carry the team.

Though note that Azazel needs a fast team to work with proper, which you might not have. She'll still do you plenty good, though.

[quelvin96]

Azazel goes with everything. Titania, Aether and Cu sure help, but Azazel is what will carry the team.

Though note that Azazel needs a fast team to work with proper, which you might not have. She'll still do you plenty good, though.

What do you think would be the ideal wind equipment with shinge for example?

[Unregistered]

Azazel goes with everything. Titania, Aether and Cu sure help, but Azazel is what will carry the team.

Though note that Azazel needs a fast team to work with proper, which you might not have. She'll still do you plenty good, though.

Azazel don’t need a fast team, she make everyone fast and tanky

[Kitty]

Azazel don’t need a fast team, she make everyone fast and tanky

Still needs to be fast-ish to work to her full potential since she can only use 1 buff to all allies at a time, and the all ally buff feature applies after she bursts. Her DA/TA is alright, tho

[Unregistered]

Still needs to be fast-ish to work to her full potential since she can only use 1 buff to all allies at a time, and the all ally buff feature applies after she bursts. Her DA/TA is alright, tho

She can already use it once when the battle start, so it mean 5t guarantee DATA +50% assault + ~33% dmg cut for everyone (with tiara set ofc) since start, an it come with only 7t cd. Her other skill, when the deflect is meh but the heal is crazy, we are looking at 4000-7000 HP heal(depend on your combo atk) WITHOUT any ascension, and it also just 7t cd. What i mean is she is broken even without any help, so choose her right and now, don’t need to worry about anything. She is a no brainer pick for wind.
P/s: her nuke is decent too kek

[Slashley]

She can already use it once when the battle start, so it mean 5t guarantee DATA +50% assault + ~33% dmg cut for everyone (with tiara set ofc) since start, an it come with only 7t cd. Her other skill, when the deflect is meh but the heal is crazy, we are looking at 4000-7000 HP heal(depend on your combo atk) WITHOUT any ascension, and it also just 7t cd. What i mean is she is broken even without any help, so choose her right and now, don’t need to worry about anything. She is a no brainer pick for wind.
P/s: her nuke is decent too kekI mean, I don't think you're wrong, but there needs to be a third FB by turn 7 in order to maximize what AW Azazel does. That's not an issue ONE BIT for Wind SSR teams, but for a SR team, it can be quite rough.

[Unregistered]

I mean, I don't think you're wrong, but there needs to be a third FB by turn 7 in order to maximize what AW Azazel does. That's not an issue ONE BIT for Wind SSR teams, but for a SR team, it can be quite rough.

3rd FB at turn 7 ?, wind is fast but not THAT fast, they are not light ok, even in dmm wind SSR team will find it hard to make full use of Azzy AW, some delay will happen but that’s ok, unless it’s BT ofc
P/s: Yori (T4 Shin) with her party 100BG skill may help i think, but that skill take forever to reuse so i don’t know does it practical in combat or not kek

[quelvin96]

Currently my main team is wind.
I have as ssr a: Cybele U and Titania AW.
I have all Sr and all souls ...
I was thinking of getting Gaia to be able to pass the wind lv70 raid but I realized that I only have dragon eyes to wake up a kamehime ... I have money for two MT (because I understand that this month's 27 restarts) and I don't know if I get Gaia Aw now or wait for Azazel Aw. If I wait for Azazel, I'm undecided on what to choose right now, Hatur or Aether ...

[Kitty]

Currently my main team is wind.
I have as ssr a: Cybele U and Titania AW.
I have all Sr and all souls ...
I was thinking of getting Gaia to be able to pass the wind lv70 raid but I realized that I only have dragon eyes to wake up a kamehime ... I have money for two MT (because I understand that this month's 27 restarts) and I don't know if I get Gaia Aw now or wait for Azazel Aw. If I wait for Azazel, I'm undecided on what to choose right now, Hatur or Aether ...

Go for Azazel with this MTix 100% and then go for Frigg in the next one, imo
Titania works super well with Azazel, and Frigg is super OP for a healer, more so than Gaia depending on the enemy. (imo)

She has -20% Thunder ATK down and -20% Wind RST down
Affliction block / Crit rate up to all allies
1800 base heal for all allies.

[Unregistered]

I need a suggestion who to use the SR MT on. I have Hastur and Freja. Thanks.

[Unregistered]

There's a thread about the best SR to be picked for each element.
Go take a look and try to made your own decision.
And try to ask about SR MT at there rather than at here.This should de generally for choosing SSR MT

[Laventale]

This should de generally for choosing SSR MT

Even though you're right, there's absolutely no issue for someone discussing about their SR MTix, since it's technically also a MTix.

[Unregistered]

Hey guys i have a question about who to get with the next MT.
I thought about Svarog for my fire team but perhaps you have a better choice for me.

My teams:

Fire:Uriel,Fire.Metatron,Prometheus,Blackflame Maid Amon,Mars.

Water:Cuthullu,Shiva,Saraswati,Venus,Gabriel,+ 100% Water eido Rudra.

Wind:Arianrod,Cybele(Unleashed),Azazel,Minerva,ibl is; Wind Ramiel


Dark:Susanno,Kali,Hades,Samael,Pluto,Amon(unleashe d)

So what are your thoughts to get :)

Ps: Knows anyone when the next ticket comes :)

[Unregistered]

Well, i was rerolling and i got Kirin and Baal Unleashed. I´m considering buying a MT and use in maybe Marduk? And also buying the "Support MT" to get Tyr. Do you guys recommend this or should I keep rerolling for something better?

[Kitty]

Well, i was rerolling and i got Kirin and Baal Unleashed. I´m considering buying a MT and use in maybe Marduk? And also buying the "Support MT" to get Tyr. Do you guys recommend this or should I keep rerolling for something better?

seems like a good idea, and marduk is a good choice. tyr is awesome when awakened, so sure if you're going to be thunder main. not like there's any one else to pick from for thunder out of those main 6 girls.
any element is good rn aside from dark. thunder is prolly the strongest element there is.

[Unregistered]

seems like a good idea, and marduk is a good choice. tyr is awesome when awakened, so sure if you're going to be thunder main. not like there's any one else to pick from for thunder out of those main 6 girls.
any element is good rn aside from dark. thunder is prolly the strongest element there is.

Ok, but is Marduk the best choice for a thunder MT? Or is Mammon? That´s my doubt.

[Slashley]

Hey guys i have a question about who to get with the next MT.--Do you mean CURRENT MT or the next MT, whenever that is? If latter, don't ask now, ask then. You never know what you'll pull between now and then...

If current MT, Svarog or Vahagn (was she in current ticket...? No...? Then it's an easy pick I guess!).
Or, since you have Rudra, Vohu would be fine too.
Ok, but is Marduk the best choice for a thunder MT? Or is Mammon? That´s my doubt.Mammon has been phased out of the very bestestest of Thunder teams, since she has no means of gaining +burst for herself. Don't get me wrong, Mammon is still GOOD, she's just not the BESTEST.

Kirin + SSR Baal is strong already (if you can tolerate that 90 second debuff), but Tyr and Marduk on top of that is quite the team already. The only problem you'd be facing is that both Tyr and Marduk are mediocre until Awakening, which will require 3 Dragon Eyes each. That's going to take a long, long, LONG time for a new player. Oh, and side note, bonus points for Marduk weapon being ridiculously good.

The next two Miracle Tickets would probably be Dian (healer extraordinaire) and Thunder Aphro. And then you'd be quite the beast. We are talking investing 30+50+50+50 bucks into the game though, so up to you.

[quelvin96]

when will the next miracle ticket be?

[Laventale]

when will the next miracle ticket be?

There's 4 months between each. I don't know when was the last one, but if you find the date, just add 4 months and then you'll have your desired date.

[QXZ]

There's 4 months between each. I don't know when was the last one, but if you find the date, just add 4 months and then you'll have your desired date.
i suspect they are moving towards 3 mth cycle. the last one was june. the one before was march. and the one before that was dec.

meaning the next one could be end of this month - around sep 22 to sep 28

[Slashley]

meaning the next one could be end of this month - around sep 22 to sep 28HA HA HA YOU WERE WRONG IT WAS OUT TWO DAYS BEFORE YOUR GUESS
No but seriously, good job dude.


For me, long story short, not sure should I commit even more to my Thunder in preparation for Thunder Aphro MT (not available yet, but early next year MTs can get you Limited Hime) and thus get Dian. Or if I should get Azazel so that I could farm Thunder content way more easily.

[Caldernaji]

In my opinion, Senpai doesn't really need Dian given how strong Senpai's grid is already. Dian is useful for carrying WRags and helping weaker players clear stuff like GO but she just doesn't seem necessary if you have the stats to just kill everything before it kills you. Dian is also not that good for AABing since you actually have to use her potions.

On the other hand, Azazel AW is really fricking strong, and will be meta for a long time, so that's seems a better choice to me.

[Slashley]

In my opinion, Senpai doesn't really need Dian given how strong Senpai's grid is already. Dian is useful for carrying WRags and helping weaker players clear stuff like GO but she just doesn't seem necessary if you have the stats to just kill everything before it kills you. Dian is also not that good for AABing since you actually have to use her potions.Olympia Water is upcoming. I don't know what it is like, but supposedly there's a ton of damage output in all of the Olympia raids. Thanks to Raiko my Thunder is quite fast - and can be faster with Shingen's EI - which means lots of resets for Dian's heal.

There's also Thunder Aphro to consider. She is a really stupendous amount of damage... ... but only if your team is at FULL health. While Marduk's "Barrier" and TAphro Barrier stack, anything that does more damage than that will considerably hurt damage output. Which is why Marduk-TAphro-Dian makes for such a stupendous group, as Marduk's follow-up attacks powered by TAphro does some serious shit. I don't think there is a Miracle Ticket between here and TAphro, so I'm either getting Dian now or assuming that nothing will get through Marduk-TAphro Barriers. And those Barriers don't have 100% uptime either...


But you're right that Azazel is also a hard carry for Wind. Hence, my hesitation.

[Pentangled]

Current light team

Sol Awakened
SSR Artemis
SSR Frey
SR Uzume

Also have SSR Tsukuyomi but she is new and I have been reluctant to swap out Uzume who has been part of the team for awhile. Thinking about picking up Mike but not sure, is there another option I should consider? I don't have Shingen yet and it could be a bit before I do.

[Slashley]

Current light team

Sol Awakened
SSR Artemis
SSR Frey
SR Uzume

Also have SSR Tsukuyomi but she is new and I have been reluctant to swap out Uzume who has been part of the team for awhile. Thinking about picking up Mike but not sure, is there another option I should consider? I don't have Shingen yet and it could be a bit before I do.Iris is a direct (massive) upgrade to SSR Tsukuyomi, so she doesn't see much play in perfect teams. SSR Artemis will be okay on Light-tier once she gets buffed, not sure when that was. December? January? Until then, Lugh is a direct (massive) upgrade to SSR Artemis.

... hell, both Iris and Lugh are just outright insane in their own right.

There is also Tish who is super good, but Michael forms the backbone of every conceivable team soooo... ... since you're kinda missing everyone, is there any reason you want to focus on Light? I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just that you're quite a long way from having an insane Light team specifically.

[Pentangled]

soooo... ... since you're kinda missing everyone, is there any reason you want to focus on Light? I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just that you're quite a long way from having an insane Light team specifically.

Haha, that is fair. When I first started I rolled into Sol and Artemis. The others I have gotten for Jewels and from free gacha from events and stuff. My other element teams either have no SSR or just one so Light seemed like a good place to focus. With gacha and not spending tons of money sometimes you gotta work with what you have haha

[dreamlitz]

Haha, that is fair. When I first started I rolled into Sol and Artemis. The others I have gotten for Jewels and from free gacha from events and stuff. My other element teams either have no SSR or just one so Light seemed like a good place to focus. With gacha and not spending tons of money sometimes you gotta work with what you have haha

If you're serious about light, you have to get Mike, Mike AW to be precise, so save up 3 eyes if you haven't already.

Also, your light team isn't actually that bad - better than mine when I started throwing mtix at light. With ascension (you kept those UE staffs right?) Sol AW is really good in many situations including rags (unless you're like mvp-racing those 5 min rags, for that you need more than just a good team anyway.) Arty gets buffed (forgot when, too, around December iirc) and while still weaker than Lugh and Iris, is definitely still worth fielding (20 BG refund on burst is no joke, and her buff can be cast on herself + one ally, her nuke dmg cap also gets raised iirc.) Frey may not be meta, but on manual, she brings some insane spike dmg that is actually pretty helpful in early game for AQ and GO and stuff.

Given that you don't have Shingen and there's a UE lull, I would recommend you get Mike, then Lugh, running Herc as soul (if you had Shingen, I would have recommended Iris instead of Lugh.) That's enough for a very potent light team. You don't need every OP light hime to run a good light team. The main issue you'll run into with Lugh is that she's absolutely terrible for AAB, but otherwise you should be able to make her work since you have Sol.

Also, until you get Lugh or Iris, don't write off Tsuku just yet. She may not be anywhere close to meta these days, but she's not a useless unit - that AoE blind is really helpful when those GO with mobs come back for example.

[Kitty]

I'd say Iris just because unlike Lugh, she doesn't NEED another meta girl to keep her alive like Lugh needs Tish.
and I know some people say debuffs don't matter, but if you have Artemis + Iris together (until you get Lugh,) you still have the cap of -50% DEF debuff which is nice and gives you more options for EX abilities and a different soul.
Lugh is a no go until you have Tish, I have her on DMM and she's super complicated to use without a super good grid and team. Also the worst hime in AAB like ever, not that she's bad in the slightest, just... annoying.

but ye, as Slashley says Michael is probably the best option because she's the core of every light build... makes everyone burst faster.
Either Iris or Michael, for now... inb4 you find one or the other in the x10 MTix draw then MTix the other!!!

[Slashley]

Haha, that is fair. When I first started I rolled into Sol and Artemis. The others I have gotten for Jewels and from free gacha from events and stuff. My other element teams either have no SSR or just one so Light seemed like a good place to focus. With gacha and not spending tons of money sometimes you gotta work with what you have hahaYeah, fair enough. Just wanted to check. I was actually assuming the reason to be Managarm, but that works too.

[Pentangled]

Ok, I think I will go Mike. Thanks for all your help!

[Dragon]

For me, long story short, not sure should I commit even more to my Thunder in preparation for Thunder Aphro MT (not available yet, but early next year MTs can get you Limited Hime) and thus get Dian. Or if I should get Azazel so that I could farm Thunder content way more easily.

So do you think the current bestestest thunder team is AW Marduk, Thunder Aphro, Raiko, and Dian? Does Baal Unleashed fit somewhere in there? I spent blood, sweat, and tears to unlock her accessory slots :sad:

[Slashley]

So do you think the current bestestest thunder team is AW Marduk, Thunder Aphro, Raiko, and Dian? Does Baal Unleashed fit somewhere in there? I spent blood, sweat, and tears to unlock her accessory slots :sad:The current theory for carrying Disaster Rags/upcoming Olympias is to not bring debuffs, instead bringing a selfish team with the maximum damage output for yourself. And yes, that would be the team for Thunder, I believe.

I don't really agree with that theory, because well, selfish. For the entire raid, it's simply better if you also bring debuffs. Which, of course, means that you yourself will do less damage, which means less chance of MVP, which means more chance for you to GET FUCKED SON. Since ONLY the MVP is rewarded in the entire raid. BRILLIANT GAME DESIGN, DEVS.

So, in other words, SSR Baal fits in single player content and into multiplayer teams that are less selfish.

[Sztajger]

What, should i take from miracle ticek?????
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[Slashley]

What, should i take from miracle ticek?????I guess you're committing to Water, then? Personally, since you have nearly nothing so far, I'd say reroll into a 100% Eidolon. Yeah, having triple Water SSRs isn't bad, but it's not as good as having a 100% Eidolon.

If you must commit to this account - which I don't recommend - then I'd say Vohu Manah. Shiva would be nice too, but you're already six Dragon Eyes behind and Shiva would put you to nine Eyes behind.

[AutoCrimson]

mb he actually have 100% eido. nonetheless, i do agree what Slashley said

[Dragon]

The current theory for carrying Disaster Rags/upcoming Olympias is to not bring debuffs, instead bringing a selfish team with the maximum damage output for yourself. And yes, that would be the team for Thunder, I believe.

I don't really agree with that theory, because well, selfish. For the entire raid, it's simply better if you also bring debuffs. Which, of course, means that you yourself will do less damage, which means less chance of MVP, which means more chance for you to GET FUCKED SON. Since ONLY the MVP is rewarded in the entire raid. BRILLIANT GAME DESIGN, DEVS.

So, in other words, SSR Baal fits in single player content and into multiplayer teams that are less selfish.

Oh I see. That makes sense, thanks.
I am a solo element Thunder player because the gacha favored Thunder drops, for me. So, I am trying to build the best Thunder team with lots of SSR's, but I am not sure if solo element is a waste or if I can still compete with people who have teams with each element (If I had the AW Marduk, Thunder Aphro, Raiko, Dian team).

[Slashley]

-- So, I am trying to build the best Thunder team with lots of SSR's, but I am not sure if solo element is a waste or if I can still compete with people who have teams with each element (If I had the AW Marduk, Thunder Aphro, Raiko, Dian team).If you have Kirin/Nidhoggr, that team should be able to compete just fine. Without 100%, you'll find yourself struggling. You also can't expect to beat on-element teams of similar perfected groups, especially if they're also running a on-element 100%+ Eidolon.

But really - remember that it is a game and you should get what is most fun for you. I at least have steered very far from SSR Baal, simply because the 90s debuff would trigger my autism horrendously and I wouldn't be able to have fun. So... if you don't sound of the "perfect" Thunder team, just don't? Build what you want.

[Dragon]

If you have Kirin/Nidhoggr, that team should be able to compete just fine. Without 100%, you'll find yourself struggling. You also can't expect to beat on-element teams of similar perfected groups, especially if they're also running a on-element 100%+ Eidolon.

But really - remember that it is a game and you should get what is most fun for you. I at least have steered very far from SSR Baal, simply because the 90s debuff would trigger my autism horrendously and I wouldn't be able to have fun. So... if you don't sound of the "perfect" Thunder team, just don't? Build what you want.

Yeah, Thunder is definitely my favorite element, so I am thankful for getting a Kirin at the start. I will probably just keep focusing on Thunder unless I get a 100% Eidolon for one of the other elements.

[Nik]

If you have Kirin/Nidhoggr, that team should be able to compete just fine. Without 100%, you'll find yourself struggling. You also can't expect to beat on-element teams of similar perfected groups, especially if they're also running a on-element 100%+ Eidolon.

But really - remember that it is a game and you should get what is most fun for you. I at least have steered very far from SSR Baal, simply because the 90s debuff would trigger my autism horrendously and I wouldn't be able to have fun. So... if you don't sound of the "perfect" Thunder team, just don't? Build what you want.

Got baal U with this mtix. I thought the whole 90s duration was a moot point since she can instantly reset the cooldown anyway. But I'm used to dealing with samaels 120s 8 turn fuck myself CD.

[Ztzzpz]

Hi everyone, once again need some advices since last MT.

Same two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Jabber lvl40
Soul: Hercules or Shingen
SSR: Azazael, Gaia (AW), Odin (AW), Titania (AW), Set, Isis
Line-up: Azazael, Odin, Gaia, Set or Titania
I started a defense team and now i'm playing more offense. Do i need to get Cybele or going to get Cu ? I tried to play with Shingen (with encourage as 4th ability) but i have no ability to get defense down so i found it's less efficient thant Hercules with sniper shot as an ex

Fire:
Eidolon: Belial lvl70
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same
I hit Belial since last time and manage to improve it. I still love to play a rampage team. Maybe fire Amon is a good one, maybe you got some nice ideas.With a 110% Eido it seems that it's th obvious element choice to use my MT but i'm not 100% sure. I don't know what to do with Beelzebub. Her 2nd ability is really good (+50% fire element attack), her third also but her main is so bad. I only use it as a last chance damage rush.
Another question about fire ammon. She can change dark damage to fire damage, does it mean that you can use Belial with a dark team and they get the 110% bonus?

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl55
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva (AW), Lakshmi, Aphrodite
Line-up: Same with Aphro on the bench
I'm happy with this one. It can make some huge burst damage and i can't wait to get Cthulu improved to faster the burst cycle. What's the best choice if i decide to improve water?

Thunder:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule
SSR : Tyr (AW), Jupiter, Ymir
Line-up: Tyr, Ymir, Cyclop, Jupiter
I was surprised to see as good Ymir is. Her special capacity helped me a lot even if you have to drain burst from other kami. Still not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule going for Shingen fast
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi, tish
Line-up: Tsukuyomi , Tish, Artemis, Michael / bench: Takemi, Sol
I spend my last MT for Tish and i'm happy with that choice. Since last time, i got Belia so i don't know if i still use MT for lignt. If its the case, the quetion is Iris or Lugh? Shingen's weapon is coming in 1 week.

Dark:
My worst team, only got SSR Susanoo and SSR Chernobog so...

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

[AutoCrimson]

Uriel, Fire Amon, Svarog - in terms of priority
ymmv, ofc

[Kitty]

Hi everyone, once again need some advices since last MT.

Same two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Jabber lvl40
Soul: Hercules or Shingen
SSR: Azazael, Gaia (AW), Odin (AW), Titania (AW), Set, Isis
Line-up: Azazael, Odin, Gaia, Set or Titania
I started a defense team and now i'm playing more offense. Do i need to get Cybele or going to get Cu ? I tried to play with Shingen (with encourage as 4th ability) but i have no ability to get defense down so i found it's less efficient thant Hercules with sniper shot as an ex

Fire:
Eidolon: Belial lvl70
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same
I hit Belial since last time and manage to improve it. I still love to play a rampage team. Maybe fire Amon is a good one, maybe you got some nice ideas.With a 110% Eido it seems that it's th obvious element choice to use my MT but i'm not 100% sure. I don't know what to do with Beelzebub. Her 2nd ability is really good (+50% fire element attack), her third also but her main is so bad. I only use it as a last chance damage rush.
Another question about fire ammon. She can change dark damage to fire damage, does it mean that you can use Belial with a dark team and they get the 110% bonus?

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl55
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva (AW), Lakshmi, Aphrodite
Line-up: Same with Aphro on the bench
I'm happy with this one. It can make some huge burst damage and i can't wait to get Cthulu improved to faster the burst cycle. What's the best choice if i decide to improve water?

Thunder:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule
SSR : Tyr (AW), Jupiter, Ymir
Line-up: Tyr, Ymir, Cyclop, Jupiter
I was surprised to see as good Ymir is. Her special capacity helped me a lot even if you have to drain burst from other kami. Still not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule going for Shingen fast
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi, tish
Line-up: Tsukuyomi , Tish, Artemis, Michael / bench: Takemi, Sol
I spend my last MT for Tish and i'm happy with that choice. Since last time, i got Belia so i don't know if i still use MT for lignt. If its the case, the quetion is Iris or Lugh? Shingen's weapon is coming in 1 week.

Dark:
My worst team, only got SSR Susanoo and SSR Chernobog so...

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

Get Svarog 100% for fire
or Vohu Manah and replace Neptune for her. She's the WORST SSR in the entire game. For now, put Aphrodite instead of Neptune.
SR are even better than her.
Replace Odin for Titania. She works well with Azazel.
So Titania > Azazel > Gaia > Set
Iris for light 100%

Up to you, tho. I'd say fire...

[Ztzzpz]

And wich kami should i switch for Svarog?

[Kitty]

Beelzebub for sure. No need for her since you have Daji

[Ztzzpz]

Thx,
And with that fire lineup, should i go shingen or hercules if i want to switch soul?

[AutoCrimson]

Get Svarog 100% for fire
*cough*
(10 characters)

[Kitty]

Thx,
And with that fire lineup, should i go shingen or hercules if i want to switch soul?

Hmm... Probably Shingen. With her and Daji, you can have an almost constant DATA buff if you time it right.

[Ztzzpz]

*cough*
(10 characters)

I'm feeling stupid but do you mean that Svarog is not a good move?

[Kitty]

I'm feeling stupid but do you mean that Svarog is not a good move?

I think that's just because someone disagreed with his opinion.
But Svarog is the way to go, she's fast, has awesome ability DMG and buffs the team. Her CD's are one of the shortest in the game.
Uriel is super good, and she's obviously a good candidate, but Svarog is always the #1 first pick, then Uriel.

[Slashley]

I think that's just because someone disagreed with his opinion.
But Svarog is the way to go, she's fast, has awesome ability DMG and buffs the team. Her CD's are one of the shortest in the game.
Uriel is super good, and she's obviously a good candidate, but Svarog is always the #1 first pick, then Uriel.Yeah, Uriel is the contender. I'd personally recommend Uriel over Svarog, though.

Svarog deals amazing damage per turn, and buffs the team with 40% Assault. Later, she gets replaced by Haruhi for perfected groups.

Uriel deals 2m burst damage when you need it. Combined with Full Burst, that's 3m damage from a single Unit, even off-element, even for players who don't have their own Belial. That's no fucking joke. A lot of content in the game is entirely trivialized by something like this - that's something Svarog simply doesn't do. Uriel also doesn't get replaced by anyone later on - however, it should be noted that for omega space whales, they don't really need Uriel either, since they reach 2m bursts with all Hime anyway. For everyone else, Uriel is simply a superb unit.

[Kitty]

Svarog doesn't get replaced for Haruhi tho
...Svarog is more so preferred than Uriel after Haru and Frey come out.
Apollo too.

It all depends on the player, tho... I don't have Svarog on DMM and I have Uriel. I wouldn't replace Uriel for Svarog until I get a higher grid because once you have a decent enough grid Uriel does nothing aside from be fast. Everyone can burst for 2M+ once you have a phantom grid... that works

[Slashley]

It all depends on the player, tho... I don't have Svarog on DMM and I have Uriel. I wouldn't replace Uriel for Svarog until I get a higher grid because once you have a decent enough grid Uriel does nothing aside from be fast. Everyone can burst for 2M+ once you have a phantom grid... that worksI barely even burst for 1m with Phantom Grids and on-element. That's not how it works.

Remember kids, Phantom weapons are NOT the Grid. Phantom weapons are merely a small topping on the cake - if you can make PROPER Grid out of Lances/Hammers/Glaives/Bows, then the topping is fine. But they are NOT a be-all, end-all thing like I constantly see people say. They're a MINOR damage boost, IF you can make it work... and you probably can't.

[Ztzzpz]

Aaaaah i'm confused now :)
Dont know what to pick. It seems that Uriel'll fit better in my lu.

[Raistlansol]

I barely even burst for 1m with Phantom Grids and on-element. That's not how it works.

Remember kids, Phantom weapons are NOT the Grid. Phantom weapons are merely a small topping on the cake - if you can make PROPER Grid out of Lances/Hammers/Glaives/Bows, then the topping is fine. But they are NOT a be-all, end-all thing like I constantly see people say. They're a MINOR damage boost, IF you can make it work... and you probably can't.

What do you consider minor? I lose slightly more than 10% of my damage I swap out my null lance from my wind grid with a similar wind weapon (so both SL20 MLB)

[Kitty]

I barely even burst for 1m with Phantom Grids and on-element.


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[Slashley]

What do you consider minor? I lose slightly more than 10% of my damage I swap out my null lance from my wind grid with a similar wind weapon (so both SL20 MLB)Here is the question. How did you make a Wind Lance Grid? If you compare your current Grid to a full F2P FLB Grid (6x Lust weapons and 2x Garuda Hammers), which one does more damage?

Either you're whaling really hard and running a FLB Lance Grid (there hasn't been a single FLB Wind Lance through events), or the Lust Grid will do way more damage. Is a Phantom Lance Grid great when you have 4x FLB Odin Lances and Shingen Spear? Fuck yeah it is. Is a Phantom Lance Grid great when you're running a 4x level 50 SSRs and level 85 SRs to make it work? Fuck no it isn't. It is AWFUL. That's what I mean by Phantom weapons being just a cherry on top of the cake - do NOT mistake the cherry for the goddamn cake. You need the fucking cake! The cake does the heavy lifting, not the goddamn cherry!!
--I always find it hilarious how people over-exaggerate their burst damage and then pretend like it is normal damage, when it isn't.

Why don't you post a video of you hitting 2m on all five characters then?

[Ztzzpz]

Its funny but just before using my MT Tik i dropped Uriel on a 12k jewels x) (im a lucky bastard!!!)
So should i still go Svarog? And which soul should i replace for her? Or si it better to go iris?
Thx u

[AutoCrimson]

i'd say FAmon, but ppl like Svarog, so take her.
it's not that u can guarantee urself Haruhi, anyway

[Kitty]

I always find it hilarious how people over-exaggerate their burst damage and then pretend like it is normal damage, when it isn't.

Why don't you post a video of you hitting 2m on all five characters then?

I mean, certainly not on Nutaku. But on DMM, my wind team w/ phantom bow grid can have all girls hit 1.5M+ burst depending on the battle/debuffs.
off element is still 1M+

so it's definitely surprising to hear a veteran say that they can barely reach 1M on burst WITH a phantom grid... you don't give them enough credit. they're an insane boost depending on which one you have...
You have like, all the UE weps, not sure which team you're thinking about but it clearly isn't your best... I know you don't have any 100% eidolons either, tho... but eidolons aside, I was able to reach 2M+ on a soul burst without a phantom grid on Nutaku.

[dreamlitz]

It depends heavily on element and what himes you have, too. Against rags (def 10, remember ult has lower def and easier to hit high numbers) I've hit 10m+ single target burst with my 46k power dark team using slime (long story, just accept that I use slime) and friend Anubis. I've yet to hit 10m+ single target for my 60k+ power light team, which is a FAR better team, even with double fluffy. The reason is that I have Agliarept for dark, and that separate critical multiplier when combined with Python staff's vigor can help you hit cap really quickly when you stack all your buffs in a single turn. Light teams don't have that kinda teamwide guaranteed critical and no good f2p SSR vigor weapons that I'm aware of (well, until guardians come out.)

Spike dmg isn't everything though, I use my light team to race in lrag not my dark team, 'cos consistent low burst still works better than one big burst with a much longer burst cycle (assuming top add is dead so I don't like die from just normal attacks.)


Its funny but just before using my MT Tik i dropped Uriel on a 12k jewels x) (im a lucky bastard!!!)
So should i still go Svarog? And which soul should i replace for her? Or si it better to go iris?
Thx u

Congrats! Given that you have Belial, you're probably better off finishing your fire team first. Your light team is already very good, btw. If you have a mostly SSR grid, you can clear any GO with that without your own fluffy (I know 'cos I've literally cleared every GO with your team minus Arty, didn't have her back then.) You should also be able to AAB/close to AAB DUlt if you have a handful of FLB weapons including at least 2 UE staffs.

If you do mtix light for some reason, I would indeed go with Iris.

[Slashley]

Its funny but just before using my MT Tik i dropped Uriel on a 12k jewels x) (im a lucky bastard!!!)
So should i still go Svarog? And which soul should i replace for her? Or si it better to go iris?
Thx uCongrats.

If you ask me, you should continue to boost your Fire team thanks to Belial. Your choices are Svarog (very high damage per turn), SSR Fire Amon (team burst accelerator + team buffer) or Vahagn (amazing DPS with a debuff, but needs to be at high health to be effective, making her less effective as a hard carry unlike Uriel and Svarog).
--
so it's definitely surprising to hear a veteran say that they can barely reach 1M on burst WITH a phantom grid... you don't give them enough credit. they're an insane boost depending on which one you have... --They're NOT an insane boost. I said that already. They're decent, IF you can make them work. Yet again, Phantom weapons do not make or break Grids. They are simply a cherry at the top.

And you know, my teams, Accessories and Grids are public knowledge in my a pain in the ass to use advanced calculator (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PhfOAQk6EyK5l33ux_C4T-cexVIQp6D-_Hbd-OO1OmQ/edit#gid=384975469).

[59773]

I've been thinking for a long time and still don't get why Dian even finds a place in the selfish thunder team. Surely the objective is to keep health ABOVE maximum, instead of requiring healing? And for that matter, doesn't TAfro have heal + regen already? Wouldn't it just be better to put like an offensive (like Brahma) or Def down (like Nuwa) in?

[Slashley]

I've been thinking for a long time and still don't get why Dian even finds a place in the selfish thunder team. Surely the objective is to keep health ABOVE maximum, instead of requiring healing? And for that matter, doesn't TAfro have heal + regen already?--There's also Regen + "Barrier" from Marduk. It just isn't enough, against content that matters.

Remember, it is IMPORTANT to be at FULL health. Vigor drops of HARSH if you go below 100% HP. Halfway point is... 83% HP left, I think? For a team of 15k HP, that means that once you've lost 2.5k HP, you've lost HALF of the advantage from Thunder Aphro. Which will then eat into other synergies like Pursuit from Marduk.

You also have to remember that if anyone gets triple-attacked, it's basically instant goodbye to ALL Vigor damage for that person. Marduk has Combo- which reduces that chance significantly, but for example I believe Water Olympia is outright debuff immune (like Wind Rag), so that's not going to help. But Dian is the only healer who has the solution to this - HP potions. Instantly recovers 50% of one person's health, the perfect counter to bad RNG.

[animagates]

Hi, I have a question for my water team:

Currently, the SSR i have is Snow Raphael and Vohu Manah. Any recommendation which KH to pick with MT?

[Kitty]

Hi, I have a question for my water team:

Currently, the SSR i have is Snow Raphael and Vohu Manah. Any recommendation which KH to pick with MT?

Shiva 100%

[animagates]

Shiva 100%

Got it, thanks!

[Slashley]

Shiva 100%I wouldn't say 100%.

Ryu-Oh completes Vohu debuffs by herself (assuming against Fire), which makes her pretty good with her. Sure, maybe you don't need her with Snow Raph, but.
Cthulhu Awakening is right behind the corner, and she will be no joke either.
Saraswati with Vohu can be surprisingly good in theory, as Saraswati can pick up the pace of 1-2 Hime + herself considerably, meaning that the quick Vohu will complete a fast Full Burst team. This requires a lot of manualing all the time though, so not really sure if that's worth a MT.
Shiva is good after Awakening sure, but certainly not 100%. She's not THAT good.

[Kitty]

I wouldn't say 100%.
She's not THAT good.

lord have mercy.

Shiva 100%.
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Shiva [Awakened]

Burst: Water DMG (Maximal)/ Applies own ability performance UP

Ability 1 - Deals 6-7x nuke to enemy (5T CD)
Ability 2 - All allies ATK, Crit rate, Water attribute ATK up (20%) (5T CD, 3TD)
Ability 3 - Deals 3-4x damage to all enemies/ Own burst gauge up 20+ (5T CD)

Assist 1: ATK up 10%
Assist 2: Reduces CD of abilities when damaged

"not that good" yikes

[Slashley]

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"not that good" yikesI know what she does.

You're not providing any kind of argument here.

[Kitty]

no argument needs to be made, you're the one saying she's actually on par with saraswati that you'd need to consider between the two.
KEK

[Slashley]

no argument needs to be made, you're the one saying she's actually on par with saraswati that you'd need to consider between the two.
KEK
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Saraswati -- so not really sure if that's worth a MT.
--ok.jpg
So, since it doesn't seem like you can make an argument to save your own life, how about I make your arguments for you, then?

Shiva is capable of dealing out roughly 2x damage per turn ((6.5+3.5)/5) from abilities. This is roughly in line with Svarog who also does 2x damage per turn. Also, Svarog gives (eventually) 40% Assault with 100% uptime, Shiva gives 30% Assault + 20% Elem + Crit but with 60% uptime, available right from the start. Shiva has some further advantages such as increased ability damage and cap for 3t after Burst, but Svarog has significantly higher caps (that she can't reach, unlike Shiva) so it doesn't really make a big difference.

So overall? Shiva about a Svarog. Is that good? Yeah, that's good. You know, with Svarog being very much a key Hime in Fire. However, Shiva is NOT a Fire Hime, but Water. And there's plenty more competition in Water than just Uriel.

I stand by what I said - Shiva is good, but certainly not 100%. She's not THAT good.
Clearly Asherah is the correct choice, since it'll only take eight months before her Awakening and then she'll be better than Shiva - at least in content that dies in a single Burst. Dohohoho~

[Kitty]

Shiva 100%
also no clue about all the irrelevant shit different element shit you're talking about as if that's supposed to help anyone or get your point across.
> mentions Saraswati
> not sure if she's worth MTix
makes sense.

saw Asherah's name in there somewhere... she gets the shittiest improvement ever. AWShiva > AWAsherah.

I'm giving the dude actual helpful advice. Shiva is the way to go.

edit - jfc you're the new magicspice forreal.

[Slashley]

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Awakened Asherah is trash.As I said, not against content that dies in one burst. Sure, there isn't much of such content (Raid events I guess), but it's still a niche!

Also, nice arguments again. Truly impressive.

EDIT: Oh hey, you changed the entire post from one line to multiple lines. Not that you put in any substance in there, since
I'm giving the dude actual helpful advice. Shiva is the way to go."helpful" would actually require you to give ANY kind of reason and/or argument as to why.

[Kitty]

skills alone say enough. sorry i don't dig deep enough to make it seem like other lower tier himes are worth it when they're not.
end of discussion. it's getting stupid.

[Wolfheinirich]

I was hoping it would become obvious who I should pick but I am still unsure...

Here is my current lineup:
Fire: Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, AW Uriel, Sonsaku, Fire Amon, YE Mammon, Dakki, Amaterasu, EoH Beelzebub and Ra
Water: Vohu Manah, Lakshmi, Water Cybele, Shiva, Ryu-Oh, Saraswati, Cthulhu, Poseidon, Celia, Water Osiris, Aphrodite, Ea, Neptune and Nike U
Wind: AW Cu hulainn, AW Odin, AW Titania, Azazel, Hastur, Set, Aether and Cybele U
Thunder: Mammon, Jupiter, Athena, TW Michael, AW Marduk, LF Aphrodite, Tye and CT Ryu-Oh
Light: Light Athena, Iris, Lugh, Shamash, Tishtrya, Frey, AW Metatron, MM Tsukuyomi, Michael AW, Sol AW, Vishnu, Eros, AW Raphael and Atum
Dark: Selene, Susanoo, Satan AW, Thanatos, Nephthys, Berith, Amon U, Osiris, Chernobog, Hades and Samael.

I was ready to throw my mtix on Iris but she came out the blue when I was rolling for Fire Frey (who never came!), now I am not sure which element I should put my mtix on? May be Thunder?

[Slashley]

I was hoping it would become obvious who I should pick but I am still unsure...

Here is my current lineup:
Fire: Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, AW Uriel, Sonsaku, Fire Amon, YE Mammon, Dakki, Amaterasu, EoH Beelzebub and Ra
Water: Vohu Manah, Lakshmi, Water Cybele, Shiva, Ryu-Oh, Saraswati, Cthulhu, Poseidon, Celia, Water Osiris, Aphrodite, Ea, Neptune and Nike U
Wind: AW Cu hulainn, AW Odin, AW Titania, Azazel, Hastur, Set, Aether and Cybele U
Thunder: Mammon, Jupiter, Athena, TW Michael, AW Marduk, LF Aphrodite, Tye and CT Ryu-Oh
Light: Light Athena, Iris, Lugh, Shamash, Tishtrya, Frey, AW Metatron, MM Tsukuyomi, Michael AW, Sol AW, Vishnu, Eros, AW Raphael and Atum
Dark: Selene, Susanoo, Satan AW, Thanatos, Nephthys, Berith, Amon U, Osiris, Chernobog, Hades and Samael.

I was ready to throw my mtix on Iris but she came out the blue when I was rolling for Fire Frey (who never came!), now I am not sure which element I should put my mtix on? May be Thunder?You are pretty well off in all elements, really. Which one do you enjoy playing the most? You had Belial and Hanuman, does that not influence what you want to focus more on?

If it's Thunder which you mentioned, I think you're only missing Dian.

[Wolfheinirich]

You are pretty well off in all elements, really. Which one do you enjoy playing the most? You had Belial and Hanuman, does that not influence what you want to focus more on?

If it's Thunder which you mentioned, I think you're only missing Dian.

It is true that I have better damage potential in Wind and Fire, Skill Checker kun would agree on that regard.
I am not opposed to improving Fire and Wind though.
Let me go read up on Dian and see how should can fit in

[Slashley]

--
I am not opposed to improving Fire and Wind though.I think for the currently MT, from Fire you're only lacking Vahagn (I think she was in this MT, was she...?) who is extremely strong, even more so when at high health. With Belial, Svarog, Uriel and Vahagn, basically any content should end without issue on that front.

For Wind I think you're only missing Gaia. A defensive Hime who requires manualing, but against content that can hurt you, Gaia can just entirely trivialize it. With Hanuman, Cu, Azazel and Gaia going at it, there shouldn't be any content that you can't clear. The downside of Gaia is that she doesn't fit into a lot of content - if Hanuman, Cu and Azazel can just slaughter your enemies with ease, why slow the team down with Gaia?
Let me go read up on Dian and see how should can fit inThe basic Thunder team as far as I know is Thunder Aphro, Marduk AW, Dian and Raiko. These four synergize great with each other - Thunder Aphro gives you a massive damage boost if you're at full health, which is something that Dian will ensure. Marduk will help, plus her Fortress will benefit greatly from the boosted damage Thunder Aphro gives. Raiko is there to speed up your Full Bursts as well as mitigate Overdrives - especially in a few months if she gets her Awakening on time (x-mas).

The problem with this team is that it entirely relies on Def- debuffs from other players, but that's just your basic selfish MvP team.

[Wolfheinirich]

I think for the currently MT, from Fire you're only lacking Vahagn (I think she was in this MT, was she...?) who is extremely strong, even more so when at high health. With Belial, Svarog, Uriel and Vahagn, basically any content should end without issue on that front.

For Wind I think you're only missing Gaia. A defensive Hime who requires manualing, but against content that can hurt you, Gaia can just entirely trivialize it. With Hanuman, Cu, Azazel and Gaia going at it, there shouldn't be any content that you can't clear. The downside of Gaia is that she doesn't fit into a lot of content - if Hanuman, Cu and Azazel can just slaughter your enemies with ease, why slow the team down with Gaia?The basic Thunder team as far as I know is Thunder Aphro, Marduk AW, Dian and Raiko. These four synergize great with each other - Thunder Aphro gives you a massive damage boost if you're at full health, which is something that Dian will ensure. Marduk will help, plus her Fortress will benefit greatly from the boosted damage Thunder Aphro gives. Raiko is there to speed up your Full Bursts as well as mitigate Overdrives - especially in a few months if she gets her Awakening on time (x-mas).

The problem with this team is that it entirely relies on Def- debuffs from other players, but that's just your basic selfish MvP team.

Once again, your suggestion is appreciated:grin:

[qwertyX]

New player here, I re-rolled Hanuman and was wondering what to spend my miracle tickets on... all suggestions are appreciated

[Dejnov]

New player here, I re-rolled Hanuman and was wondering what to spend my miracle tickets on... all suggestions are appreciated

Azzazel and then Cuchulain and/or Gaia. Azzazel is the core hime for a wind team. Once awakened she grants buffs (similar to Hercules) to the whole party. Incredible defense and offense within a single Hime.


Dejnov.

[qwertyX]

i was asking for the SR tickets.. I am not really sure if I want to spend money yet....

[Slashley]

i was asking for the SR tickets.. I am not really sure if I want to spend money yet....SR Miracle Tickets have not been a thing for long - without specifying those, we probably won't notice :)

Wind is quite awkward with SRs. I think it's good old Oberon that is the best due to those double 15% A debuffs. There's also Ithaqua who might be interesting for a new player due to her heal, and Iblis has an overall decent kit.

Sadly, none of these are particularly strong.

[qwertyX]

or any eidolons I could get?

[Slashley]

or any eidolons I could get?Absolutely no.

[epan]

Feel like I want to invest in a miracle ticket but not sure where to go. I would gladly appreciate some help. So far I've got:

Fire:
Svarog, acala, Prometheus, Beelzebub, Ra

Water (+100 eido):
Cthulhu, Ea, Snow Raph, Saraswati, Asherah, Vohu Manah

Wind (+100 eido):
Cu Chulainn, Azazel, Set, Cybele Unleashed, Titania AW, Arianrod

Thunder:
Marduk, Athena, Baal Unleashed

Dark:
Amon, Thanatos, Pluto, Satan AW, chernobog, Samael

Light:
Moonlight Tsukiyomi, Eros, Atum, Sol AW, Frey

What would be your recommendation. Thanks in advance!

[Slashley]

What element do you like playing the most?

Assuming that you're going to commit to P2W elements...
Water:
Ryu-Oh is nice, with her triple debuffs. Combined with Vohu (against Fire), she covers all debuffs and leaves two spots open for whatever team you want.
Shiva is basically Asherah 1.5.
Aphrodite has heals and coveted buffs, allowing you to make tankier types of teams. I wouldn't recommend a MT on her though.

Wind:
Gaia is pretty much the only one you lack. Combined with your other Hime, there should be literally no content that you couldn't handle with your Wind with Gaia in your arsenal. Still, Gaia is extremely defensive and would rarely - if ever - actually make your team, so I wouldn't really recommend it.

[epan]

What element do you like playing the most?

Assuming that you're going to commit to P2W elements...
Water:
Ryu-Oh is nice, with her triple debuffs. Combined with Vohu (against Fire), she covers all debuffs and leaves two spots open for whatever team you want.
Shiva is basically Asherah 1.5.
Aphrodite has heals and coveted buffs, allowing you to make tankier types of teams. I wouldn't recommend a MT on her though.

Wind:
Gaia is pretty much the only one you lack. Combined with your other Hime, there should be literally no content that you couldn't handle with your Wind with Gaia in your arsenal. Still, Gaia is extremely defensive and would rarely - if ever - actually make your team, so I wouldn't really recommend it.

Thanks for your response. I hope you don't mind me asking some more questions.

Personally I like playing wind. What do you mean with p2w elements? Are wind and water considered to be p2w?

From what I understand you would recommend either ryu-oh or Shiva. What would be the standard water team you would use in most situations with my setup? What would be the standard wind team?

I was also thinking about investing in a third element. Do you consider that a waste of time if I don't have a 100+ eidolon for these elements?

Thank you so much for the time you put into all the answers you give on this forum. It's really appreciated!

[Slashley]

Personally I like playing wind. What do you mean with p2w elements? Are wind and water considered to be p2w? I was referring to the 100%+ Eidolons. Because the only reliable way to get 100% Eidolons is to pay ALL the money.
From what I understand you would recommend either ryu-oh or Shiva. What would be the standard water team you would use in most situations with my setup? What would be the standard wind team?The basic Water team huh... I'm afraid I don't really have a good answer for that. For what kind of content? Rags and Guardians? Fire Guardian isn't out yet, so difficult to say... but chances are high the team will include Shiva in it.

In general, as there are starting to be more and more powerful Hime who each specialize in one thing in the game, the general consensus is starting to be a mix-and-match from the pool of Hime that you have. For example, for debuffs, Vohu and Ryu-Oh do great, providing -50% Def and -50% Atk (against Fire, -20% against others) and BP. That still leaves you two slots to play around with.

Trying to make a "generic" team for you in Water would probably be... Vohu, Cthulhu, Snow Raph, Asherah? With Shiva, you could just replace Asherah. Also, if you like manualing it should be noted that Saraswati has nice synergy with Vohu. You could run Shingen, Vohu, Saraswati, Shiva, Cthulhu in that order for a fast Water team. This team does NOT work with AAB however, so keep that in mind.

For Wind... well, the base core of Wind is Cu and Azazel. Those go into EVERY team as they're just insane when Awakened. And then you have:
Titania, able to pick up the pace for the rest of the team. Excels in manual, okay in AAB thanks to her +45 self-burst every 4 turns.
SSR Cybele, has a good debuff and guaranteed combo attack. Excels in last slot due to being guaranteed ready for Full Burst every three turns.
Arianrod, not front-liner material but the perfect back-up Hime due to her instant +100 self-burst. Never lose a Full Burst because of an unlucky triple attack killing somebody!
Gaia, capable of making some content entirely trivial.
Set, heals. Hey man, heals. Gaia is not enough? Bring heals. Sadly, to my understanding Frigg entirely overshadows Set, but Frigg isn't available in current MT. I think?

So, a basic team would probably be Shingen, Cu, Titania, SSR Cybele. But if you had Gaia, you'd have the option of dropping Titania and/or SSR Cybele for Gaia and/or Set. Which would make your Wind extremely versatile. Since you like playing Wind, that could be a good option..?
I was also thinking about investing in a third element. Do you consider that a waste of time if I don't have a 100+ eidolon for these elements?It's not a waste... if you enjoy playing that element. I found myself a Belial and I didn't go full Fire baka simply because I don't enjoy playing that element. Hell, I'm not even bricking Belial! Is that the correct play? HELL NO, but fuck the correct play if it isn't fun!
And it doesn't help that the F2P Fire Grid is trash tier until Feb 2020, and even then it's not brilliant.

Remember, this is a GAME, and games are meant to be fun. If you enjoy the grind, you'll play the game longer. And that's something that you need in Kamihime, since Kamihime is a marathon game. A quick sprint will get you nowhere.


So, to answer your question proper... well, I'm not going to go through all the elements! There's just too blasted many options these days. If there's a non-Wind element you enjoy playing, say it and I'll try to give you some opinions towards your options.

[AutoCrimson]

Slashley, we all are excited that you finally found urself 100% eido (specifically me), but stop thrusting this fact in every thread...

for the question that was asked... well, normally Uriel is safest pick

[Sverg]

Hi i have a question who i shouldt get

Here my teams.

Wind: Azazel,Cybele(unleashed),Arianrod,Minerva,Set.

Water: Shiva(AW),Cuthullu,Poseidon,Sarawasti, Rudra.

Light: Diana,Dejhuti,Anteros,Forseti,Mithra,Vishnu Managarmr.

Fire: Svarog,Uriel,Prometheus,Blackflame Maid Amon,Fire Metatron,Mars,

Dark: Amon (Unleashed),Pluto,Samael,Kali,Susanno,Agaliarept.

[AutoCrimson]

the choice is simple, Micha (light SSR), second will be Tish (light SSR as well)

[qwertyX]

with the new beginner missions and the SR ticket, I am wondering what should I get, my current teams are:
wind: herc/neamhain,ops,oberon,cybele
fire: solomon,ares,vahagn,amon,fire ithaqua
I was thinking wind ithaqua to replace ops because I lack healing and I am getting dart as my 3rd elite soul ,should I get some fire hime instead?

[Mirai]

Hey guys,

Coming back after a ~1 year break and trying to decide who to mtix. Water main with 2star rudra.

Water:
Vohu
Aphrodite
Ryuoh
Snow raphael
rudra 2 star

Wind:
Hastur
Gaia (awakened)

Fire:
Amaterasu

Thunder:
Baal unleashed
Justitia

Light:
Sol
Eros

Dark:
Osiris
Pluto

I’m at around 48k for water and don’t have Shingen yet. Still working on getting a full SSR weapon grid too. Should I keep working on water, work on wind to cover thunder weakness, or balance out other teams?

[Slashley]

-- Should I keep working on water, work on wind to cover thunder weakness, --?If you're going for more Water, then either Shiva or Cthulhu. Both of whom got great Awakenings now.

If you want to boost your Wind team, then the answer is simple - Azazel. Who got the best Awakening in game.


In all cases, you're going to need 3 Dragon Eyes, so I hope you have 'em.

[Mirai]

If you're going for more Water, then either Shiva or Cthulhu. Both of whom got great Awakenings now.

If you want to boost your Wind team, then the answer is simple - Azazel. Who got the best Awakening in game.


In all cases, you're going to need 3 Dragon Eyes, so I hope you have 'em.

Thanks! I’ll look into those options.

[Destrica]

On-off casual who got a SR Miracle Ticket and need help in deciding between DDiana, Paimon, Venus, Andhaka and Djehuti. My SRs/SSR for their elements are

Dark: Ereshkigal, Eligos, Tsukuyomi, Nyarlathotep, Jun'iku [Keifa]
Water: Aphrodite, Belphegor, Nike (SR)
Light: Demeter, Belobog, Attar, [Sunlight] Brynhildr

Not too sure if I should fill in my Water roster or strengthen the other elements, ergo me asking about it. Thanks for any help in advance.

[Crow]

There was a good discussion in 'best SRs' thread - https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/5108-sr-team-element.html .

[Destrica]

That does look pretty comprehensive. Will slowly take a look through that thread first, thanks.

[PussyCat]

Hey, recently got back to this game after quitting last year. Got myself the MT and was wondering which hime to use it on. I main light with Mana and these are the himes I have atm

-Sol
-Mich
-Meta
-Eros
-Tsuku
-Iris
-SSR Arty
-Atum
-Satan

*edit* they're all awakened, those that have awakening anyway

I was wondering what light hime to spend this on, if anyone can give the pros and cons of the light hime I should choose. Thank you so much!

*edit*
I'm assuming this is just gonna be between Tishtrya and Lugh. I'm not really sure which one will fit better in my current team, and I do plan on getting the other in the future whenever I get the chance (or the next 'meta' light hime that comes along)

[dreamlitz]

Hey, recently got back to this game after quitting last year. Got myself the MT and was wondering which hime to use it on. I main light with Mana and these are the himes I have atm

-Sol
-Mich
-Meta
-Eros
-Tsuku
-Iris
-SSR Arty
-Atum
-Satan

*edit* they're all awakened, those that have awakening anyway

I was wondering what light hime to spend this on, if anyone can give the pros and cons of the light hime I should choose. Thank you so much!

*edit*
I'm assuming this is just gonna be between Tishtrya and Lugh. I'm not really sure which one will fit better in my current team, and I do plan on getting the other in the future whenever I get the chance (or the next 'meta' light hime that comes along)

I'm surprised no one responded to this. I was out of town so I didn't get a chance to respond.

Anyway, your light team is very strong already! For mtix, probably Tish or Lugh, unless you're willing to tix just for weapons, in which case Vishnu, too. There are other good himes, but they don't get enough use to warrant a mtix (unless you just like to collect light himes like me...) Anyway, here's my take on pros and cons:

Tishtrya
Pros/main uses:

speeds up any burst bottleneck you have - usually the soul if you're not using Shingen, otherwise usually Mike AW
relatively fast hime
B frame debuff - light doesn't have another B frame SSR until light Kingu, she also has affliction down with her B frame, which is really rare and really useful in solo content
single target full heal - works really well with Lugh or against bosses that don't have a lot of AoE
since you have Atum, it's also worth mentioning that Solomon + Atum + Tish = (relatively) easy 15F tower clear
her weapon is OP when FLB-ed (M assault, M exceed, S ascension)
Cons:

not that AAB friendly - you can still AAB her, just don't expect great results
btw, some may say her DPS is low, that is actually not true if you use her properly - her buffs are really strong and she should noticeably shorten your burst cycle such that your overall team DPS should go up noticeably with Tish on your team - you need to manual her for that to happen though


Lugh
Pros/main uses:

fastest hime in the game outside of insta-burst
can stay consistently fast as long as she has the hp to keep up (unlike say Metatron or Takeminakata, that have more variable speeds)
strong nukes and has the extremely rare C frame debuff - Lugh + Iris will hit def down cap
very good for competitive content like dummy and tower
very good for MVP-racing if you don't mind going manual
Cons:

extremely AAB-unfriendly - will kill herself while probably not dealing all that much dmg
even on manual, she's extremely clicky
needs to be paired with a healer or use normal accessory set if you intend to use her for more than several turns (Tish is the textbook answer for partnering with Lugh, but I've actually gotten her to work pretty well with Sol before, Atum also works if you have heal accessories, or you can just let Lugh die and have a strong sub come on)
her weapon is filler at best if you're building a lance grid, not worth bricking


Vishnu
Pros/main uses:

was the fastest light hime until Lugh came along
always fast, unless she gets exhaustion or ability-sealed - don't have to worry about hp like Lugh
very AAB friendly and very useful in AAB-ing AQ7
weapon is OP when FLB-ed (L assault, S defender, S vigor)
Cons:

very clicky (if you don't AAB her that is)
not that useful in competitive content


If you can't hit 3T burst cycle yet with Iris, I would absolutely get Tish first to unleash Iris' full potential.

About future changes to light meta:

The next light SSR is Valentine's Baal, and should be coming out a couple weeks before Valentine's Day assuming no taco original madness. She's a limited hime though. Baal is pretty good imo, but doesn't really do anything that isn't already covered by existing SSRs.
Eros AW should also be coming out around the same time, and you absolutely want to AW her, she'll become part of the light meta then if you aren't using her already.
After that, we have to wait till end of August-ish for light Kingu to come out. She's another B-frame debuffer, but not really that remarkable, at least when you compare her to the other himes coming out.
After that, it's light Shiva, still waiting for opinions to come in from DMM players, but if I understood her abilities correctly, you absolutely want her on your team - at lvl 75+, she gives a team-wide vigor buff. She also sounds like a good DPS machine on her own.
Frey is also getting an AW, but it's not out yet on DMM, so not sure whether she'll become OP or not.


In short - after Eros AW next Jan/Feb-ish, no change to light meta pretty much until the end of the year (while all other elements catch up/surpass light in brokenness.)

[Dejnov]

Hey, recently got back to this game after quitting last year. Got myself the MT and was wondering which hime to use it on. I main light with Mana and these are the himes I have atm

-Sol
-Mich
-Meta
-Eros
-Tsuku
-Iris
-SSR Arty
-Atum
-Satan

*edit* they're all awakened, those that have awakening anyway

I was wondering what light hime to spend this on, if anyone can give the pros and cons of the light hime I should choose. Thank you so much!

*edit*
I'm assuming this is just gonna be between Tishtrya and Lugh. I'm not really sure which one will fit better in my current team, and I do plan on getting the other in the future whenever I get the chance (or the next 'meta' light hime that comes along)


I'm going to suggest that Tishtrya is a solid choice and possibly a better all around choice than Lugh. Lugh needs healing to keep her going and without Tish being on the team can suffer. The team you have above with Tish - Iris, Tish, Michael and Sol is my standard team and it only loses out to Lugh teams (replace for Iris) on MVP sniping. The advantage of the Iris team is that you can AAB with it, while manualing when you're looking to try and deal damage effectively. You'll definitely want to AW Eros shortly as she becomes a core team for certain content. Between the above team and Eros and Atum you'll be fairly effective in all content.


Dejnov.

[Slashley]

New Miracle Ticket is out, going up until our early Perkele. So only Februus isn't in it. Also, this should be the last MT that doesn't allow you to pick up Limited Hime.

For me, it's going to be Dian, in preparation for Thunder Aphro.

[Sceadugenga]

Hey all, some advice on choice would be great.

Main dark team:
Susanoo awakened
Nephythys
Thanatos
Samael

Using Hercules, just got my first Neme Askal, working towards Shingen

I think my choices are either Osiris or Satan. Any advice on which?

I'm leaning towards Osiris because:

the team has excellent burst synergy (both Sus and Neph refresh their ability cooldowns after bursting, making them good for rapid burst teams)

Herc and Thanatos already burst by turn 3 together, so osiris can help Neph and Sus catch up

Farming dark 70 raids for soul weapon mats means Osiris heal is more valuable than it would otherwise be

That said, Satan awakens, has her own burst accel, and gives me a greater range of debuffs.

In either case, I think samael is the girl who goes to slot 5.

[Kitty]

get Satan

since Thanatos gets AW in the future and is on around the same level as Amon U, otherwise Amon U...
but get Satan I'd say.

[Sceadugenga]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[Nik]

Just gonna ask for general suggestions on which ssr is most crucial based on what i dont have for elements.
(Fire/thunder main. Light/dark secondary)
Fire: uriel A, vahagn, svarog A, BF amon. Yamaraja in back. Which fire ssr would round out the team to keep in sub?

Thunder: brahma A, baal U, marduk A, mammon. Justita, thunder ryu-oh. What if any hime would be another good option?

Light: vishnu, iris, tish, ssarty. Metatron, eros, raph in back. Mike, lugh or sol would be nice since I want a faster burst cycle. But i think i need a healer...

Dark: amon U, pluto, osiris, samael. Selene. I hate how slow this team is, so satan or thanatos most likely.

Water: water cybele, water raph, nike U. Only even considering something for this because i have leviathan.

Wind: titania, El. I have a more readily available grid for this element than water, so any suggestions appreciated.

[Slashley]

Just gonna ask for general suggestions on which ssr is most crucial based on what i dont have for elements.
(Fire/thunder main. Light/dark secondary)You said you have Leviathan. Is there a reason you're Fire/Thunder main instead of Water?
Fire: uriel A, vahagn, svarog A, BF amon. Yamaraja in back. Which fire ssr would round out the team to keep in sub?I think the only goody you're missing out is Fire Frey...? Am I missing anyone... Fire Mammon is also pretty good for some content, I guess.
Thunder: brahma A, baal U, marduk A, mammon. Justita, thunder ryu-oh. What if any hime would be another good option?For Thunder, I believe the base core of the basic selfish Thunder build will soon be Marduk, Thunder Aphro, Raiko and Dian. Thunder Aphro from next Miracle Ticket, but you're still missing two pieces so... probably not worth it for you?

Not commenting on Light since my knowledge in that area is sorely lacking. RNG please, gib me some broken Light SSRs.
Still, it's probably Michael, since she's kinda the backbone of every single Light party.
Dark: amon U, pluto, osiris, samael. Selene. I hate how slow this team is, so satan or thanatos most likely.Considering how many great Light SSRs you have, you're probably better off staying away from Dark. While Dark has many strong individuals, they all kinda do their own thing, so building an ideal team in Dark isn't... much of a thing as far as I know.
Water: water cybele, water raph, nike U. Only even considering something for this because i have leviathan.It's... pretty rough to build a team from that. Cthulhu is strong, Vohu is strong, Shiva is nice to have but you're kinda struggling with debuffs which is rare for Water.

Even though there isn't a perfect option right now though, committing to Water isn't a bad idea due to Leviathan. But that's up to you.
Wind: titania, El. I have a more readily available grid for this element than water, so any suggestions appreciated.Azazel. The most broken Awakening ever, team building done, gg.

[dreamlitz]

Still, it's probably Michael, since she's kinda the backbone of every single Light party.

Yeah, I would go with Michael, too. You have enough fast himes for Mike AW to be brokenly good. You have Eros, too, so when her AW rolls around, Mike AW + Eros AW = insane burst cycle against anything that throws debuffs, which is like, almost every rag and guard.


But i think i need a healer...

If you're wiling to invest multiple mtix into light (not sure if that's a good idea if it's your secondary element) then I would get Sol after Mike. No one else can do what Mike AW does at least not nearly as good as her. She is essential for dummy and MVP-racing. While Sol AW is great in a long fight assuming you have decent ascension, her kit is much easier to replicate - Andro can heal, you can EX CM, kaiser/dragoons can replace Sol's burst effect, C frame atk down can be replaced with eido actives or Raphy AW's dark atk down. You also have Eros and Raphy, both are very good at mitigating dmg to reduce the need for heal when used correctly.

[Argo]

Just the other day I rolled Iris, who was going to be my ticket choice. So now with that done, I'm free to pick whomever! I'll probably just go ahead and dickpick, most likely Fire Mammon, Fire Frey, or Fire Amon. But I may as well ask for opinions anyway based on what I've got.

Lights (Best Eidolon = maxed Hecaton)
Sol AW, Michael AW, Lugh, Tishtrya, Iris, Frey, Light Athena, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Atum, Santa Satan

Darks (Best Eidolon = Anubis)
Satan AW, Osiris, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Thanatos, Nepthys, Samael, Kali

Fire (Best Eidolon = Ifrit w/1 break)
Uriel AW, Ares AW, Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, Fire Beelzebub

Water (Best Eidolon = Leviathan)
Poseidon AW, Ryu-oh, Ashera, Sarasvati, Summer Cybele, Nike U, Ea

Wind (Best Eidolon = Hraesvelgr w/1 break)
Gaia AW, Titania AW, Cu Chulainn AW, Hastur, Summer Poseidon, Odin, Aether

Lightning (Best Eidolon = maxed Huanglong)
Halloween Michael, Brahma, Athena, Mammon

------------------------------------------------------

So yeah, where Wind was my worst team up until this year they're now really good, though my weapon lineup for them is still ass. Lightning is now my worst. So gameplay-wise I think I've been told that my Dark team needs Hades and Pluto, and that my Fires needed Amon and maybe someone else, I've forgotten. Don't think I've gotten much advice for my Waters (I just got Leviathan the other day when I got Iris, too!), I think Cthulu is the only name off the top of my head. And my Winds have more or less just fallen into place, not sure what I'm missing there.

So yeah. I really want that Fire Mammon just because of how much I liked her normal self's scenes. But I now have 3 teams with 100% Eidos (all got within the last 6-8 months or so), so I could go for an improvement on any of those too, so I'd like to hear some advice before I go straight for the dickpick.

[Nik]

You said you have Leviathan. Is there a reason you're Fire/Thunder main instead of Water?.
Because I pulled leviathan like a week ago, have pretty much no water himes, and definitely have no water weps to build a grid besides 2 or 3 mlb sr weps.

[Kitty]

Just the other day I rolled Iris, who was going to be my ticket choice. So now with that done, I'm free to pick whomever! I'll probably just go ahead and dickpick, most likely Fire Mammon, Fire Frey, or Fire Amon. But I may as well ask for opinions anyway based on what I've got.

Lights (Best Eidolon = maxed Hecaton)
Sol AW, Michael AW, Lugh, Tishtrya, Iris, Frey, Light Athena, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Atum, Santa Satan

Darks (Best Eidolon = Anubis)
Satan AW, Osiris, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Thanatos, Nepthys, Samael, Kali

Fire (Best Eidolon = Ifrit w/1 break)
Uriel AW, Ares AW, Svarog AW, Mars, Acala, Fire Beelzebub

Water (Best Eidolon = Leviathan)
Poseidon AW, Ryu-oh, Ashera, Sarasvati, Summer Cybele, Nike U, Ea

Wind (Best Eidolon = Hraesvelgr w/1 break)
Gaia AW, Titania AW, Cu Chulainn AW, Hastur, Summer Poseidon, Odin, Aether

Lightning (Best Eidolon = maxed Huanglong)
Halloween Michael, Brahma, Athena, Mammon

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So yeah, where Wind was my worst team up until this year they're now really good, though my weapon lineup for them is still ass. Lightning is now my worst. So gameplay-wise I think I've been told that my Dark team needs Hades and Pluto, and that my Fires needed Amon and maybe someone else, I've forgotten. Don't think I've gotten much advice for my Waters (I just got Leviathan the other day when I got Iris, too!), I think Cthulu is the only name off the top of my head. And my Winds have more or less just fallen into place, not sure what I'm missing there.

So yeah. I really want that Fire Mammon just because of how much I liked her normal self's scenes. But I now have 3 teams with 100% Eidos (all got within the last 6-8 months or so), so I could go for an improvement on any of those too, so I'd like to hear some advice before I go straight for the dickpick.

I'd say water, since all your other teams seem pretty stable except for Thunder, but you'd need a lot more than 1 girl, though I would say start with Marduk.

So... Shiva for sure. She's prolly the best girl rn for Water... then Vohu, and then probably Cthulhu after her awakening.
Shiva needs to be awakened, tho...
Though, Cybele and Aphrodite work wonders together, since she cures Cybele of her stupid debuff... but she's not even close to worth MTixing when it comes to other himes you could get.

but I mean dickpicking FMammon is always good too. She's works insanely well with FAmon when it comes to super long battles like Bethor rags!

[Ztzzpz]

Hi everyone, once again need some advices since last MT.

Same two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Bethor lvl85
Soul: Shingen
Line up: Azazael (AW), Odin(AW), Hastur, Set
Sub: Titania (AW), Gaia (AW)
Bench: Isis
I'm going to get the last break limit for my eido. Pretty happy to play wind cause of Azazel is sooo broken and many MLB weapon with burst is cool.
Maybe Cu Chulainn is a good pick to improve offense potential?

Fire:
Eidolon: Belial lvl85
Soul: Shingen
Line-up: Uriel (AW), Sonsaku, Svarog (AW), Amteratsu
sub: Dakki, Beelzebub
Weap grid: i put a bow grid with soul weapon bow and UE bow MLB.
It's my main since i hit Belial. I think Vahagn or Fire Frey are a good pick but i don't know which one is the best (how Frey is really working, she seems so special) and which kami i have to remplace in my current line up (should i drop Amateratsu do go full offense?). Maybe fire Amon is also a good one.

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl55
Soul: Shingen
Weap grid: i put a bow grid with soul weapon bow and UE bow MLB.
Line up: Lakshmi, Shiva (AW), Cthulhu (AW) , Aphrodite
bench: SR Belor , Neptune
Water is fun to play, i find i lack debuff with only Cthu maybe i can switch Lakshmi even if she can make huge damage (especialy during rag raid)

Thunder:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule
Line-up : Tyr (AW), Ymir, Reiko, Jupiter
I was surprised to see as good Ymir is. Her special capacity helped me a lot even if you have to drain burst from other kami. Still not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule
Weap grid: i put an axe grid with soul weapon axe and UE axe MLB.
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi, tish
Line-up: Iris, Tish, Artemis, Michael:
sub: Takemi, Sol
bench:Tsukuyomi

I spend my last MT for Tish and i'm happy with that choice. Since last time, i got Belia so i don't know if i still use MT for lignt. If its the case, the quetion is Iris or Lugh? Shingen's weapon is coming in 1 week.

Dark:
My worst team, only got Susanoo (AW), Nephthys, Chernobog...too bad cause i got a phantom hammer MLB

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

[Argo]

I'd say water, since all your other teams seem pretty stable except for Thunder, but you'd need a lot more than 1 girl, though I would say start with Marduk.

So... Shiva for sure. She's prolly the best girl rn for Water... then Vohu, and then probably Cthulhu after her awakening.
Shiva needs to be awakened, tho...
Though, Cybele and Aphrodite work wonders together, since she cures Cybele of her stupid debuff... but she's not even close to worth MTixing when it comes to other himes you could get.

but I mean dickpicking FMammon is always good too. She's works insanely well with FAmon when it comes to super long battles like Bethor rags!

That's 3, maybe 4 Water himes you're suggesting! I'm not looking to build a whole new team from scratch, just fill in holes for the time being. Though since I did just get Leviathan I can certainly see my Waters getting better. Took a quick look on the wiki at Shiva, and her AW does sound really great. She's a looker, too. I could definitely consider her, but if I need to get another 3 other girls to make my Waters shine then maybe I'll hold off. I only had one Wind SSR earlier this year (Gaia), then out of nowhere they all started falling into my lap. Maybe the same could happen with Water. I've rolled Ryu-oh's gun like four times now...
Anyway, if I were to grab Shiva, what team formation would you suggest with my current lineup? If it just doesn't really work, or if there aren't any suggestions for my Darks or Winds then I'll just go ahead and grab FMammon even though I don't have a good Eido for my fires.

EDIT: And I just wasted money on the nutaku winter special for $100 to do the Miracle roll. The rest went to the Christmas gacha. Got a 5th copy of Behemoth, a 2nd copy of Sleipnir, an SR I didn't have, and 2 Rs I didn't have. None of them were the Christmas hime. So that's a total of 6120 star coins and 15,000 jewels with no new Christmas hime. Rate-up is a lie. A terrible, horrendous lie. All I wanted was Charis, dammit. I feel like even FGO rates are even better than this.

[dreamlitz]

Hi everyone, once again need some advices since last MT.

Same two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?

Only going to comment on wind and light:



Wind:
Eidolon: Bethor lvl85
Soul: Shingen
Line up: Azazael (AW), Odin(AW), Hastur, Set
Sub: Titania (AW), Gaia (AW)
Bench: Isis
I'm going to get the last break limit for my eido. Pretty happy to play wind cause of Azazel is sooo broken and many MLB weapon with burst is cool.
Maybe Cu Chulainn is a good pick to improve offense potential?

I would actually suggest Aether instead of Cu, especially if you are able to farm Magna to get tiara set for her, unless your exceed is so high that stacking Aether's buffs will bring you over the 500% cap. Remember, Aether's buff is basically 0.3 x 5 himes x 1.5 full burst multiplier = 2.25x worth of dmg every single turn - higher if you're fighting on element 'cos of higher full burst multiplier and Aether's crit buff.



Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl85
Soul: Hercule
Weap grid: i put an axe grid with soul weapon axe and UE axe MLB.
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi, tish
Line-up: Tsukuyomi , Tish, Artemis, Michael / bench: Takemi, Sol
I spend my last MT for Tish and i'm happy with that choice. Since last time, i got Belia so i don't know if i still use MT for lignt. If its the case, the quetion is Iris or Lugh? Shingen's weapon is coming in 1 week.

Depends whether you manual or not - Lugh is useless on AAB while Iris is good whether on AAB or not. If you're not sure, I generally prefer Iris once your team is fast enough, which sounds like it would be once you have your Shingen lance.


So that's a total of 6120 star coins and 15,000 jewels with no new Christmas hime. Rate-up is a lie. A terrible, horrendous lie. All I wanted was Charis, dammit.
Gacha just likes to troll us. I was pulling for Charis, too, took me 11 tickets + 12k jewels before I got her, but when I did get her, I got 3 copies of her... Wish I could gift you one of my copies. There're still a few days left, hope you can gather enough jewels from events and still get lucky!

[Ztzzpz]

Depends whether you manual or not - Lugh is useless on AAB while Iris is good whether on AAB or not. If you're not sure, I generally prefer Iris once your team is fast enough, which sounds like it would be once you have your Shingen lance.

Thx for your answer. I forgot to update my light line-up and i already got Iris. So Lugh insted of Artemis could be a good move?