Team Element advice and weapon grids

[RyeX]

Hey guys finally need some advice as I want to tackle some T3/T4 accessory quests but having a hard time probably coz my weapon grids are not complete.
Reason being much as I tried focusing on one element ( I leaned on water) I actually built all with skills ranging between Skill 6 to 10 only.

Since I considered Water a lot in the beginning I have 2 of the SSR assault weapon at Skill 20 and most SR at Skill 10.
But anyway part of the reason I am asking for advice is to to check again the recommended skill levels for SR and SSR weapons for non "main" elements.

For example on one thread I think I saw Skill 8 for SR and Skill 15 for SSR to see an effect?

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For my next request for advice is team. Below I list my SSRs.
I personally find that although Light seems the closest to being full SSR, I need a good offensive SSR for it even though Artemis is a good placeholder and Beelzebub buff always helps.
My WATER having the better weapon grid of course damages well as well but not enough.
Also got the Raiko drop earlier and THUNDER always have good DPS so that defense KH seems like good timing as well.
DARK is good too since Beelzebub is there and Sol can be plugged as needed.
Finally for EARTH even no SSR i Have all the SR that can debuff well so somehow they survive well too.
My FIRE works just fine too.

In the end I am starting to get really confused since all can survive except on Accessory quests and really hard Ragnaroks so please help evaluate.

SSR List:
Light - Micheal, Raphael, Sol
Dark - Amon(Unleashed)
Water - Poseidon,
Fire - Acala
Lightning - Raiko
Earth - None

[LeCrestfallen]

Your light team is very good, if you get the next miracle ticket in april and throw in light tsukuyomi you are set.


Dark is a good start with amon, if you want to obt for this one, consider getting hades with the next ticket, and afterwards thanatos as a 4th hime. sol fits very well in here.

Water is imo not in your best spot right now, you would need cthulhu or ryu-oh for a good start. personally would avoid going down this route, but listen to some other opinions first.

Fire - Sadly not really a good start, you should invest in other grids.

Lightning - Good start, but you will need serious investment in this lineup to make it strong, thunder struggles hard with having barely any debuffs, it will become easier in the future, but right now its hard.

Earth (wind) well whatever :D

edit: to your first question: the bonus you get from a skill level up of a weapon is always 0.5%, if you want to get the most benefit for the least buck, skill leveling your sr weapons first will give you bigger benefits for your mats short term, but the aim is to replace them all with ssr weapons in the future, so your call.
You can not put a simple number on "you need this amount of % atk to do acc4", it depends on your debuff access and a lot on your recovery. Did in the past acc4 with andromeda since i simply could not sustain the damage from the waves before without potion access.

[sanahtlig]

Focus on your Light team and pump all your skill enhancement into that. Run Diana if you have her. You'll probably have a tough time until the next Miracle ticket, but your team will become very strong with Light Tsukuyomi. Lack of DEF- is what is currently holding your team back. Running Mordred with Ambush and Vine will help. Even better, run Mordred with Sniper Shot, Vine, and Diana.

[RyeX]

Thanks, I agree on the need for further debuffs.

Main reason I was having second thoughts on my Light team was also the lack of debuffs unless I was using Mordred. My Wind does well on debuff part especially for DEF downs thats why even if they are just SR they actually damage better than my Light running Arthur. -_-'

Anyway I will take a look at Tsukuyomi again. I bought a miracle few months ago for Sol.

Almost forgot, my weapon grid for light a bit terrible as I failed to MLB the main assaults ones. But the hybrids recently I got them so they were the ones I pushed to skill 10. My Light currently also stands at around 40kish power.

More opinions welcome!

[Rye X Salazar]

By the way there is only one Tsukuyomi right? So she will be the sort of debuffer using that Light resist down skill?

[Slashley]

Almost forgot, my weapon grid for light a bit terrible as I failed to MLB the main assaults ones.--If you're lacking in any Light Assault weapons, then farm Light Disaster. You can do six a day for half cost at the moment. Farm those Hammers until you have a full LMB grid.

Though, there's possibly three Light SSR weapons coming up in the next two months. Baron Samedi Gun and a second copy of the Pride Staff, we got one from Greed just a bit back. Also, possibly Valkyrie Romance Crossover for a Lance, but time will tell do we get that or not. Sphinx is also coming back in this timeframe, so if you didn't LMB her weapon, you'll get that. Looks like it's a good time to be building a Light Grid.

But you'll want at least 7 Assault Light weapons for now, I'd say. So farm those Disasters until at least that number.
By the way there is only one Tsukuyomi right? So she will be the sort of debuffer using that Light resist down skill?There's technically two Tsukuyomis - the Dark SR one and the Light SSR one. The one you want is the SSR. And yes, she has the Light resist down skill, which is effectively the same thing as Def-.

[Rye X Salazar]

Focus on your Light team and pump all your skill enhancement into that. Run Diana if you have her. You'll probably have a tough time until the next Miracle ticket, but your team will become very strong with Light Tsukuyomi. Lack of DEF- is what is currently holding your team back. Running Mordred with Ambush and Vine will help. Even better, run Mordred with Sniper Shot, Vine, and Diana.

Alright thanks!. Kinda got confused about Vine. What is it?

[LeCrestfallen]

vine is an SR eidelon that you can buy for the mats from the last world. It has an -10% def debuff on eidelon frame. Greatly helping with teams that lack def down.

[Rye X Salazar]

vine is an SR eidelon that you can buy for the mats from the last world. It has an -10% def debuff on eidelon frame. Greatly helping with teams that lack def down.

Ah I see alright thanks, will consider that one if needed. I would guess the def down somehow surpasses the potential stat bonuses provided by a full SSR eidolon attack buff in certain cases?

[LeCrestfallen]

if you have an ssr eidelon like mii with 2100 attack and an attack buff on use, you might consider doing the math first. but usually the def down wins, that is if you can apply the debuff early on in the fight (for example ultimate advent battles with trash before to pass some turns, or accesorry quests)
To me it was not really useful in ragnarok raids, since the bosses die or are very low life before i have vine ready, might aswell skip her.

[Cobblemaniac]

if you have an ssr eidelon like mii with 2100 attack and an attack buff on use, you might consider doing the math first. but usually the def down wins, that is if you can apply the debuff early on in the fight (for example ultimate advent battles with trash before to pass some turns, or accesorry quests)
To me it was not really useful in ragnarok raids, since the bosses die or are very low life before i have vine ready, might aswell skip her.

Pretty sure Lilim Avaritia beats Mii right out of the water for a good atk buff, not to mention dat eidolon effect.

[LeCrestfallen]

Pretty sure Lilim Avaritia beats Mii right out of the water for a good atk buff, not to mention dat eidolon effect.

What? Stats from all Lilims are just plain bad, the eidelon effect is just plain bad, the atk buff can be obtained from Mii.
Lilim's eidelon effect is just plain bad. You need to have 3 different elements active to benefit from the effect. meaning you are dealing (worst case 30-35%) less damage than a normal mono elemental team would. Just to clarify, 3 different elements need in the front lines, if they are in the backline as replacement, the effect will not activate. If one of those 3 elements die, and you suddenly have only 2 elements active, you lose the effect.

Also its just character attack, meaning its basicly like skilllevel from assault weapons. Elemental attack on eidelons is better unless you have 0 skill level on your weapon grids.

Comparing Mii is a bad call, you don't use her as a main eidelon, or a friend eidelon, but as a pure stat stick with an OKish on use.

[Cobblemaniac]

What? Stats from all Lilims are just plain bad, the eidelon effect is just plain bad, the atk buff can be obtained from Mii.
Lilim's eidelon effect is just plain bad. You need to have 3 different elements active to benefit from the effect. meaning you are dealing (worst case 30-35%) less damage than a normal mono elemental team would. Just to clarify, 3 different elements need in the front lines, if they are in the backline as replacement, the effect will not activate. If one of those 3 elements die, and you suddenly have only 2 elements active, you lose the effect.

Also its just character attack, meaning its basicly like skilllevel from assault weapons. Elemental attack on eidelons is better unless you have 0 skill level on your weapon grids.

Comparing Mii is a bad call, you don't use her as a main eidelon, or a friend eidelon, but as a pure stat stick with an OKish on use.

I just realised I was fucking up this whole time... I saw Avaritia's skill as get a stupid high atk buff for having 3 or more himes on the same element. God damn it I need to replace my retinas.

[LeCrestfallen]

checked the wording of the Lilim Avaritia.... god damnit Nutaku, atleast proof read stuff, this is one hell of a bad wording you have there.

[Cobblemaniac]

checked the wording of the Lilim Avaritia.... god damnit Nutaku, atleast proof read stuff, this is one hell of a bad wording you have there.

Right? Could've sworn I was correct till I checked with Sanah's event list.

[sanahtlig]

I like how there's 6 Lilims, and at least 3 different descriptions for the same passive effect. Essentially shows that there's no editor on the translation staff. Each translator does their own thing and there's no attempt at all to maintain consistency between translations... or any quality control at all, really. Even unpaid volunteers generally hold themselves to a higher standard than that.

[Rye X Salazar]

Just to update I've just pulled an Azazel so my Earth has an SSR representative already lol.