About DMM game closures on nutaku and opinions on kamihime's situation

[Ramazan]

Well, title says it all. I've been happily playing aigis at both dmm and nutaku till one day we received that awful news notice. Me and many people abandoned from playing games on nutaku, went fully on dmm, some returned after their rage soothed. As for myself i've settled for good at dmm side too but, gameplay and stuff was always better at dmm anyway but not understanding the story is still a big impact, playing the events and watching scenes without understanding whats going on (lul). Tho aigis at least still has its petite who translates most stuff anyway but i couldnt find the same solution for kamihime.

I wanted to come back but after what happened (over and over for other games too) i just cant trust nutaku especially to its dmm games, you spend money and more importantly your precious time but all gone after a single news of a closure... Just want to know what nutaku kh people thinking about the matter and another important question i want to ask is...

Do you play the game with your heart's content?

Edit: This is not a rage/hate thread or something like that, i just want to see the general opinions of the currentsituation.

[Cobblemaniac]

Well, title says it all. I've been happily playing aigis at both dmm and nutaku till one day we received that awful news notice. Me and many people abandoned from playing games on nutaku, went fully on dmm, some returned after their rage soothed. As for myself i've settled for good at dmm side too but, gameplay and stuff was always better at dmm anyway but not understanding the story is still a big impact, playing the events and watching scenes without understanding whats going on (lul). Tho aigis at least still has its petite who translates most stuff anyway but i couldnt find the same solution for kamihime.

I wanted to come back but after what happened (over and over for other games too) i just cant trust nutaku especially to its dmm games, you spend money and more importantly your precious time but all gone after a single news of a closure... Just want to know what nutaku kh people thinking about the matter and another important question i want to ask is...

Do you play the game with your heart's content?

Not exactly sure what you're asking, but if I interpret your question correctly...

Sure, I do enjoy the game, but not to the point that I'll beat myself up if they decide to scrap the game. It's just a game, life moves on.

That said, I do doubt that nutaku would scrap the game as it is now, I've heard that the player base is pretty big. In the future though... well that's inevitable of all games.

[sanahtlig]

All who play the browser game shovelware on Nutaku know that games could be terminated at any time for any reason, regardless of how much money and time you've sunk into them. That's why you stick to popular games that are less likely to get an early axe. Given the neglect that Aigis suffered throughout its lifespan on Nutaku, it should be no surprise that it met an early end (despite its popularity).

As for KamiPro, you bet I'd be angry if they closed this game down while I was still active. Whether I'd migrate to DMM is an open question, since I know Japanese and could use the same tools I used to read Himegari. I'm not really keen to pay-to-play JP browser games though, especially if the English community disintegrated or was non-existent.

[lolix]

this is the main reason i didn't bother re-rolling that much , or why i will never buy nutaku gold again.

If aigis (which was by far the best game nutaku had) could be closed so easily , there is no guarantee that they won't do the same with any other game.

As for going on DMM , it's all moonrunes to me , so i can#t play a game while constantly looking for translation. If you have the same issue , play on nutaku without investing anything in it , and don't get high hopes for the games either

[Unregistered]

I've only spent about 80$ on this game, 50$ on the miracle ticket and a 30$ on a guaranteed SSR. I've been enjoying this game for almost a year. Video games these days rarely make it past a month before they get dull for a similar price, or more with all the DLC crap you get these days. You could say this game has been saving me money from not buying other games as I'm often too occupied with this game's weekly events.


If aigis (which was by far the best game nutaku had) could be closed so easily ,

In your opinion it is.


there is no guarantee that they won't do the same with any other game.

Kamihime will close eventually, there is no doubt about that. It's simply a matter of when. Hopefully not out of nowhere like Aigis was.

[Cobblemaniac]

this is the main reason i didn't bother re-rolling that much , or why i will never buy nutaku gold again.

If aigis (which was by far the best game nutaku had) could be closed so easily , there is no guarantee that they won't do the same with any other game.

As for going on DMM , it's all moonrunes to me , so i can#t play a game while constantly looking for translation. If you have the same issue , play on nutaku without investing anything in it , and don't get high hopes for the games either

Well shit. Time to take learning Japanese to the next level then :bgrin:

頑張りましょう！

[nonsensei]

As for me, I do enjoy it. I also invest some money in it & to be honest, if it closes down, it closes down. To me, online gaming is a way to kill time when I somehow got more than usual free time on hand. This is the first time I actually invested money as well in online gaming, but while I would probably be grumpy if it closes down, I wouldn't regret it, as I had fun with it so far & it doesn't seem to change anytime soon.

I just hope we will be able to stop ragnarok before the closure. :fear:

[Ramazan]

this is the main reason i didn't bother re-rolling that much , or why i will never buy nutaku gold again.

If aigis (which was by far the best game nutaku had) could be closed so easily , there is no guarantee that they won't do the same with any other game.

As for going on DMM , it's all moonrunes to me , so i can#t play a game while constantly looking for translation. If you have the same issue , play on nutaku without investing anything in it , and don't get high hopes for the games either

You dont really look constantly for translations, just join discord with other people, game is fun more fun like that anyway. Also you look at wiki even at english games. If you really like the game, the language shouldnt be really a barrier, which is even translated already anyway.

[Ramazan]

Well shit. Time to take learning Japanese to the next level then :bgrin:

頑張りましょう！

I actually really decided to learn japanese, but no easy to find source to learn it on the internet. If anyone is willing to help me on this matter feel free to pm ^^ a 3rd language is always better than 2.

[Unregistered]

Well, title says it all. I've been happily playing aigis at both dmm and nutaku till one day we received that awful news notice. Me and many people abandoned from playing games on nutaku, went fully on dmm, some returned after their rage soothed. As for myself i've settled for good at dmm side too but, gameplay and stuff was always better at dmm anyway but not understanding the story is still a big impact, playing the events and watching scenes without understanding whats going on (lul). Tho aigis at least still has its petite who translates most stuff anyway but i couldnt find the same solution for kamihime.

I wanted to come back but after what happened (over and over for other games too) i just cant trust nutaku especially to its dmm games, you spend money and more importantly your precious time but all gone after a single news of a closure... Just want to know what nutaku kh people thinking about the matter and another important question i want to ask is...

Do you play the game with your heart's content?

Edit: This is not a rage/hate thread or something like that, i just want to see the general opinions of the currentsituation.

People give Nutaku way to much credit for the way Aigis turned out. The majority of the problem from the very start was the shitty DMM devs they assigned to work on the game. It had been waning in popularity way before DMM pulled support, and the root of the problem was how the community was treated by them. It was almost never on the front page.

Meanwhile Kamihime has what seems like a pretty good dev team and is constantly in the top 3 on the front page. I doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon unless something very unforeseen happens.

That being said, the nature of online games in general is to not last forever. Even AAA games all die eventually. If it makes you uncomfortable not knowing how long the content you pay for will be available to you then I wouldn't suggest spending money. For myself, I've gotten much more enjoyment and playtime out of this game than the vast majority of the other games I own so I definitely don't mind dropping money every now and again to support it.

[lolix]

Pretty sure aigis was frontpage everytime they had a new event. Heck , probably top 3

And gameplay wise , it was the best game nutaku had from what i've tested (played literally all non downloadable games that nutaku had). The story was pretty generic to be honest , and the affection scenes were bad compared with what we have on kamihime , but i personally wasn't playing the game for H content. I genuinly enjoy tower defenses.

I do enjoy kamihime as well , but i do prefer TDs over this final fantasy type of battles.

[LeCrestfallen]

atleast both had the same protagonist, a walking cock without personality or any lines.
For Japanese it may be popular to have a mute protagonist to "project" yourself in the role, but from an european standpoint, i prefer to have a protagonist with a personality, a face and maybe one or two quirks.

Just Imagine Rance from the Rance series as a protagonist. Hell that would be just amazing. i would love the hell out of every interaction between the characters.

[Cobblemaniac]

atleast both had the same protagonist, a walking cock without personality or any lines.
For Japanese it may be popular to have a mute protagonist to "project" yourself in the role, but from an european standpoint, i prefer to have a protagonist with a personality, a face and maybe one or two quirks.

Just Imagine Rance from the Rance series as a protagonist. Hell that would be just amazing. i would love the hell out of every interaction between the characters.

Not very sure that's a Japanese thing though. From a production standpoint however, it's just that much easier on your minds to think of interactions without having to give the protag any words, since you literally are relieved of a crap ton of character dynamics. It's probably how DMM manages to roll out 3-4 himes every week.

[Ramazan]

Sounds like people are content with the game so far (i read ya unregistered) i might give the game another go, lets see... This will be my 3rd coming back lul.

Also, you know i wouldnt be this confused if aigis was the only game that got closed. The reason why i included 'dmm' in the thread's name is it happened to many dmm games on nutaku, not just aigis and idk why no one mentioned them :) its like, kamihime, dp and bgr (why this one still alive lul) are the only ones that is remaining afaik. Clearly nutaku wont bring more dmm games in any time soon. At least they added some eastern games thats not hosted by dmm which was a good thing imo, which means we're not 'forced' play western games with their shit art-style.

[Slashley]

Remember, always play - and/or spend money - on the journey, not the destination. If you're not having fun NOW, then you're just wasting your time and/or money. Same applies for all games, not just P2W Nutaku browser games.

Me? I'm enjoying the game way too much. When it one day shuts down, I'll be very sad. Partly because of losing all that I've spent so much time (and money...) building on, but mostly because I won't know what to do with my free time anymore. Pick up another MMO,
I guess.
I just hope we will be able to stop ragnarok before the closure. :fear:Japan hasn't gotten a storyline update for a year now? It's over. The storyline never really even progressed into the whole Ragnarok thing all that much.

DMM will keep milking Kamihime for as long as it is profitable, and then they'll just close it. It will never have an ending, sorry.

[nonsensei]

Japan hasn't gotten a storyline update for a year now? It's over. The storyline never really even progressed into the whole Ragnarok thing all that much.

DMM will keep milking Kamihime for as long as it is profitable, and then they'll just close it. It will never have an ending, sorry.

Seems like sarcasm gets through as good as ever on internet. I know that much, thanks. :sweat:

[MagicSpice]

Quite frankly, it depends.... I got hit THRICE by loss of investment time into games... which happen to be Kanpani Girls, Angelic Saga, and ESPECIALLY Sengoku Providence.....

Of course I'd feel bitter if KP did get axed as well (it's already headed down the SenPro path with the game getting buggy at times...) but there's not much you can do. I'm just gonna milk the game for what it's worth in the meantime (along with FKG, cause I'm LOVING how easy that game is to pick up)

I honestly feel like the point isn't "how much you spend" but more so, "how much you get out of the game and your money". I legit feel like my money was wasted entirely on Kanpani Girls (cause just when i started spending to help build up my team, it got a closure notice), it was barely wasted on Angelic Saga (cause I got a lot of out of that game to where i didn't need to add money), and Sengoku Providence was in-between (cause I did spend quite a bit on there and got a huge collection of girls... but a lot of my time and effort didn't feel like a waste overall).

Depends on how you see it really. But I do feel like they could have done more with Kanpani Girls (no updates for nearly a year... maybe longer), SenPro (same case as Kanpani to a smaller scale, cause the DMM one is still going WAY strong), and even Idol Wars could have gotten milked a bit more (but then again, it's practically a rehashed Dragon Providence).


But on a side note, I honestly feel like the following games could get cut soon:

Oswari Island- Only big spenders trying to get top 200+ is keeping this alive... packages for boosters are expensive and gacha for those same boosters can QUICKLY eat up your tickets and nutaku gold.... plus the DMM one died off first.... and i think the mobile one is dead too

Dragon Providence- This game honestly seems less and less active the more i look at it... personally, my guild on there died off over a year ago....

Pero Pero Seduction- seems more personal in my case, but this game has started drifting into pay-to-win territory.... want some of the event stuff, limited stuff, or even the top 1000? YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. MONEY. don't even think about it otherwise... and it also takes a LONG time to get to the point of where you'll start getting really strong... if you're a free player, you're gonna have a hell of a time getting far in this... i honestly quit this game already due to this


but, that's just my thoughts about those 3...

[Maria]

Techcross Inc. surely wouldn't shutdown KamiPro (for DMM) without a good reason (meaning bankruptcy)~

You guys can just ignore this, probably?
Some JP investors are opening up the stage for anime/anime-related/manga/gaming industry for the world~ If we look at F/GO NA, we can say that it's a success. Even though KamiPro EN is in the minority trend (since it's a H-game), the game produces stable results due to it's active community.

Surely, you guys must have noticed the globalization of JP-related merchandise (anime, movies, etc.) and it's popularity, right?~

[lolix]

everyone thought the same about aigis , considering it was one of the more popular games on nutaku , and that didn't end well.

I hope you;re right , but i wouldn't bet on that anyway.

[QXZ]

sorry... wats the story on aigis? why was it shutdown agian?

[Laventale]

Techcross Inc. surely wouldn't shutdown KamiPro (for DMM) without a good reason (meaning bankruptcy)~

You guys can just ignore this, probably?
Some JP investors are opening up the stage for anime/anime-related/manga/gaming industry for the world~ If we look at F/GO NA, we can say that it's a success. Even though KamiPro EN is in the minority trend (since it's a H-game), the game produces stable results due to it's active community.

Surely, you guys must have noticed the globalization of JP-related merchandise (anime, movies, etc.) and it's popularity, right?~

I'd watch a KamiPro animu tbh.

[HydraX]

Pero Pero Seduction- seems more personal in my case, but this game has started drifting into pay-to-win territory.... want some of the event stuff, limited stuff, or even the top 1000? YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. MONEY. don't even think about it otherwise... and it also takes a LONG time to get to the point of where you'll start getting really strong... if you're a free player, you're gonna have a hell of a time getting far in this... i honestly quit this game already due to this


but, that's just my thoughts about those 3...

Sorry to hear about getting hit 3 times... and yeah you are not alone on the Peropero Seduction opinion. That game is becoming a nasty pay2win where the events are impossible without cash and the progress is just too damn slow.

What finally made me quit the game was an event that happened during a period where I had TONS of free time, I decided to hit hard the event playing countless hours and using most of the saved items... look and behold: at the end of the event I wasn't even close to the positions that were worth something.

So yeah, that was pretty much it for me.

[MagicSpice]

Sorry to hear about getting hit 3 times... and yeah you are not along on the Peropero Seduction. That game is becoming a nasty pay2win where the events are impossible without cash and the progress is just too damn slow.

What finally made me quit the game was an event that happened during a period where I had TONS of free time, I decided to hit hard the event playing countless hours and using most of the saved items... look and behold, at the end of the event I wasn't even close to the positions that were worth something.

So yeah, that was pretty much it for me.

heck, nutaku won't even update the menus and such for that game either...

DMM version had 10 focus (nutaku has 6), new menus, and a use for those lip icons YEARS ago... along with A LOT more music...

[Ramazan]

I think booty calls will get the same fate what peropero gonna get. The only 'playable' one looks like crystal maidens, unless dev fucks up event requirements more than this which is already too grindy but at least still f2p.

[Ramazan]

Also, blaxyz hinted us that there's an upcoming tower defence game thats still in development which will be announced in upcoming weeks. Well, aint no game gonna replace aigis for me for sure XD aigis is the longest game i've played so far, still that sounded promising.

[Unregistered]

C'mon now you're just leeching for the attention your daddy didn't give you in a forum for a Japanese porn game, reevaluate your life brother.

And just for the record Aigis was and still is garbo you're tied by nostalgia

[LeCrestfallen]

to be fair, all games on nutaku are garbage, but some of those have atleast some interesting gameplay that keeps one motivated to play them and spend money on it.
Can only say for myself, but if a game only has porn to offer than i would not play it, safe spending money on it.

[lolix]

C'mon now you're just leeching for the attention your daddy didn't give you in a forum for a Japanese porn game, reevaluate your life brother.

And just for the record Aigis was and still is garbo you're tied by nostalgia

for a porn game , aigis at least had decent gameplay , a somewhat decent story (with events that were related with each other) and was decently noob friendly , with gold/plat/black units being all usable.

I enjoy kamihime , but make no mistake , as a game , i find it way weaker then aigis. Heck , even the main storyline seems incomplete. Not that aigis was complete (we never got all eastern missions , or magic city , or jungle on our version) , but at least the creators were releasing new mission maps outside of just events.

[AgentFakku]

I'm worried about Flower Knight Girl, Kamihime

Nutaku ain't doing those DMM games good

When X-Overd closed down, we thought Aigis and the others were safe

Then Aigis got axe - it's weird coz both DMM and Nutaku Aigis don't do Gacha deals. The only thing was packs. I never understood why they cut it.

I just play both games, don't care if my $ is gone. Still spend but not too much coz I need to pay bills LOL

edit:

Not sure why some Anon is forcing their opinions on how bad Aigis was

Everyone has their fave games and bad games, just let it go

[Ramazan]

Also, blaxyz hinted us that there's an upcoming tower defence game thats still in development which will be announced in upcoming weeks. Well, aint no game gonna replace aigis for me for sure XD aigis is the longest game i've played so far, still that sounded promising.

I've come here to see myself being right once again.

[Keyen]

It wasn't really "in the upcoming weeks" :p

[tommyboy]

I got burned by aigis for a few hundred bucks. If Nutaku closed, it would be thousands. Why didn't I learn my lesson? Compulsive behaviour, addiction perhaps. I know it isn't rational, but sometimes I just can't resist the impulse to do a gatcha pull, even though I know I'm wasting my money.

My main problem with Aigis wasn't that they ended the game, but the lack of compensation for it. I stopped playing before the game ended, but came back for this game and asked about compensation for my old Aigis account. I didn't even get a reply.

The thing is,when we pay money for a gatch, the contents are our virtual property. Nutaku may try to disclaim this in their T&C, and say that we are buying "the right to use" the contents for an indefinite period of time. The problem with their argument is that an agreement is only lawful to the extent that both sides give something of value. The right to use something for as long as Nutaku decides to let us probably wouldn't meet that standard. Instead, the gatcha contents would probably be viewed as the virtual property of the gamer.

Nutaku is, in essence looking after our property for us. The legal term for this is a bailment, and Nutaku, as the bailor, owes its customers a duty of care to maintain their property. If they don't, they owe us. Again, Nutaku surely disclaims this in their T&C, but again, attempts to lcontractually imit the duty of bailment are often held to be invalid. Lots has been written about this, and I'm not writing a research paper here, so I really can't say whether Nutaku's limitations would hold up or not, but I would guess not in most jurisdictions that use UK/US common law.

In other words, they should give compensation for depriving us of the use of the property we entrusted them with. Not 100% of the value; since we got to use the virtual goods for some time, they depreciated, and the longer we had them the less they owe. It's hard to figure out the depreciation of virtual goods since the integrity of the product doesn't diminish over time the way it does with physical goods. Still, the fact that we were able to use the goods meant we got some value from them, so we can't expect to be compensated in full. I would think the best way to determine it would be by using some sort of "fair value" test. How long does it take for the owner of a virtual good to get full value for their money? I'm just pulling this number out of the air, but depreciation of around $1 per month sounds reasonable to me.

[Keyen]

The thing is,when we pay money for a gatch, the contents are our virtual property. Nutaku may try to disclaim this in their T&C, and say that we are buying "the right to use" the contents for an indefinite period of time. The problem with their argument is that an agreement is only lawful to the extent that both sides give something of value. The right to use something for as long as Nutaku decides to let us probably wouldn't meet that standard. Instead, the gatcha contents would probably be viewed as the virtual property of the gamer.


Do you have anything which support this claim? Because paying for something doesn't mean there is a transfert of property.

[Unregistered]

Do you have anything which support this claim? Because paying for something doesn't mean there is a transfert of property.

When you pay for something, it's either property or services. I can't conceive of a gatcha pull being a service, so it's property.

[Unregistered]

When you pay for something, it's either property or services. I can't conceive of a gatcha pull being a service, so it's property.

This is a fucking G A M E, you H A V E F U N when P L A Y I N G G A M E

[Unregistered]

When you pay for something, it's either property or services. I can't conceive of a gatcha pull being a service, so it's property.

Other way around; this sort of thing is offered as a service as opposed to a product.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_as_a_service

[Keyen]

When you pay for something, it's either property or services. I can't conceive of a gatcha pull being a service, so it's property.

Except that more or less anything related to games on online platforms (like steam, origins, etc) is made to be a service, not a property. You don't own your games on steam, and you don't own your characters on KH.

[Unregistered]

But on a side note, I honestly feel like the following games could get cut soon:

Oswari Island- Only big spenders trying to get top 200+ is keeping this alive... packages for boosters are expensive and gacha for those same boosters can QUICKLY eat up your tickets and nutaku gold.... plus the DMM one died off first.... and i think the mobile one is dead too

Dragon Providence- This game honestly seems less and less active the more i look at it... personally, my guild on there died off over a year ago....

Pero Pero Seduction- seems more personal in my case, but this game has started drifting into pay-to-win territory.... want some of the event stuff, limited stuff, or even the top 1000? YOU. HAVE. TO. PAY. MONEY. don't even think about it otherwise... and it also takes a LONG time to get to the point of where you'll start getting really strong... if you're a free player, you're gonna have a hell of a time getting far in this... i honestly quit this game already due to this


but, that's just my thoughts about those 3...

Whoever this was predicted this really well... osawari and dragon pro got the axe...

Inb4 pero Pero does too

[Unregistered]

Whoever this was predicted this really well... osawari and dragon pro got the axe...

Inb4 pero Pero does too

Pero Pero Seduction is dying too, along with senshi's revenge... and very possibly flower knight girl

[VeryVoodoo]

Pero Pero Seduction is dying too, along with senshi's revenge... and very possibly flower knight girl

A union member that plays FKG mentioned that they recently announced in the FKG discord that they're discontinuing any future updates to the game.

So yup, dead now I'd say.

KH is next. :joy:

[x255]

It will be a shame when KHP gets the axe, as its one of highest-quality games hosted here on Nutaku.

However, I am rather certain it *will* happen, and it should be rather obvious given past (and recent) track record. "Just having fun" is all fine, but I wouldn't invest too much effort into it - just saying. Don't let "but this game is different!" cloud your judgement - I've seen so many of these on sister game forums already...

[Slashley]

-- "Just having fun" is all fine, but I wouldn't invest too much effort into it - just saying. --Effort is fine.

Remember, for ANYTHING online, be it MMOs or KH, you have to enjoy the JOURNEY. Because the ending will be always be hollow and sad. If you were looking forward to having fun in the future, well... then you were in the wrong from the start.

[x255]

Journey should have meaningful length, and not to be cut prematurely with your investment abruptly taken from you.
And there are different possible grades of involvement in said journey - e.g. differing by amount of effort, time (and even money) spent.
Its different for you or me who's been here for years and already pretty much started to get bored already anyway, or for someone who just joined and grinding their teams & gear enthusiastically.

It differs by game - with KHP there are certain recent & very red flags which scream to me that placing a large bet on this "journey" (specifically on Nutaku) can only end in tears.

[Slashley]

Journey should have meaningful length, and not to be cut prematurely with your investment abruptly taken from you.
And there are different possible grades of involvement in said journey - e.g. differing by amount of effort, time (and even money) spent.
Its different for you or me who's been here for years and already pretty much started to get bored already anyway, or for someone who just joined and grinding their teams & gear enthusiastically.

It differs by game - with KHP there are certain recent & very red flags which scream to me that placing a large bet on this "journey" (specifically on Nutaku) can only end in tears.All I see is complaints of the end, not of the journey itself.

[Unregistered]

Its different for you or me who's been here for years and already pretty much started to get bored already anyway, or for someone who just joined and grinding their teams & gear enthusiastically.

I agree. This is particularly sad for someone like me who only started a few months ago and just started getting strong and no longer complete deadweight in raids. I thought English KH is only like 2 years old and that it will last longer. I blown through my video games budget for like the next 5 years on this game, stupid rate up gacha is so addicting! Oh well, live and learn. Or live and relearn in my case, I avoided online games for years because of possible sudden closures and incessant server problems, but somehow found KH particularly addicting.

[phob]

A union member that plays FKG mentioned that they recently announced in the FKG discord that they're discontinuing any future updates to the game.

So yup, dead now I'd say.

KH is next. :joy:

I can confirm that.
FKG cut staff to 1 Dev from 5 last year. Its zombified temporarily. No new events, fixes or updates.
No server closure date yet, but in that state cant be soon enough! For me its already closed.
I do play on DMM though and they have stated that there is an HTML conversion coming in July for Jap FKG.
With the new English stuff there, there is a chance they start an Eng FKG sometime.