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VirginPrince
06-13-2015, 04:53 PM
I thought it might be useful to try and keep any information together for what we can find out about this feature. I will post what I have learned from various sources.

When choosing items to give to Kurito, each item has a point value. These values have been mentioned to be as follows:

http://i.imgur.com/iwOCHZT.jpg

These are all from the JP wiki, but I don't know how accurate these numbers actually are.

As the number of points increase, it changes the color of the "confirm" button. It appears this button has 4 stages:

http://i.imgur.com/a61poZS.jpg
(Taken from JP wiki. Point values may give a range of wait times)

Now, as far as the rewards go there seems to be no complete data available. The rewards seem to have a better chance at being good with the longer the duration you have to wait. I can't confirm if the rewards themselves have thresholds that must be met before they can be obtained. Namely, the limited cards are the concern here.

But we do have this table that demonstrates wait times based on point values given to Kurito. Maybe with enough experiments as time goes by, the table can be filled out with more examples of materials being used, estimated points given, wait time, and the rewards given as a result.

With the rewards seemingly entirely random, I'm just going to list each reward given per time waited separately, rather than listing them based on the actual reward given to each person. Consider this as a "pool" of rewards that are possible, and know that multiple rewards are possible, and even very likely with higher wait times.



Material Example
Material Points
Time (HH:MM)
Earned Rewards


N Wild card × 1
2-32
0:05
N Wild card × 1, N Gacha Ticket x1, Candy x5


Candy x10 + N Wild Card x4
34-95
0:10
Limited R, Sexual Energy Drink, Candy x5, R Wild Card, Elixir


Pero Pudding Half
96-178
0:20
Candy x5, R Wild Card, Elixir


Pero Pudding Half x2
180-296
0:30
Limited R, Wild Card 1, Candy x10



298-489
0:40
Wild Card 1, Wild Card 3, R Wild Card, Candy x15, Peronamin Half


R Gacha Ticket x1
490-778
0:50
Limited N, Limited R, Limited SR (!?Wait time not confirmed), Wild Card 1, Wild Card 3, Wild Card 5, R Wild Card, Candy x20, Pero Pudding, Pero Pudding Half


Peronamin + Pero Pudding
780 to 1,500
1:00
Limited SR ?? (Needs confirmation), Candy x20, Wild Card 3, Limited N, Limited R, Pero Pudding Half


R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1
1,501 - 2,649
1:30
Limited N, Limited R, Limited SR, Candy x20, Wild Card 3, Wild Card 5, Peronamin, Pero Pudding, Pero Pudding Half, R Gacha Ticket


Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1
2,650 - 3,250
2:00
Limited R, Limited SR, Card Reveal, Candy x30, PeroPero Glasses x2, PeroPero Radar x2, R Gacha Ticket, Wild Card 5, Peronamin x2, Peronamin Half, Pero Pudding, Pero Pudding Half


Peronamin x1 + R Gacha Ticket x6
3,600 - 4,190
2:30
Limited N, Candy x30, PeroPero Glasses x2, PeroPero Radar x2, Peronamin, Pero Pudding Half



5,200 - 6,800
3:00
Peronamin x2, Pero Pudding x2


R Gacha x10 + Peronamin x2
7,100
3:30
Pero Pudding x2, Card Reveal x2


Pero Pudding x10, Card Reveal x3, R Gacha Ticket x1
10,050
4:00
Limited SR, Candy x50, Pero Pudding x2, Card Reveal x2



12,000 to 14,600
4:30



Card Reveal x10, Pero Pudding x10, Peronamin x10, R Gacha Ticket x2
20,001 ~
5:00
Limited SR, Candy x100, EX Wild Card, Pero Pudding x10

laedalqin
06-13-2015, 08:34 PM
I received the SR card Chise Hosokawa from a silver reward. The particulars in regards to time and used items I do not recall exactly, but I think the time taken was 90 minutes or less. I tended to give up to one peronamin and one pero pudding, though (when I had them), along with 1-3 candy and once or twice I threw in an R wild card 1. So on that chart the max I could have given would have been ~1216?

VirginPrince
06-13-2015, 09:15 PM
Hm, that seems a bit confusing since it doesn't follow the tables if you had a silver button. I'll mark this as a ?? in the table and see if someone can confirm it later since you are not 100% on it.

laedalqin
06-13-2015, 09:22 PM
Yeah, it is fully possible I threw in more than one pero pudding or some such, which would bump it to the next tier from my original estimation. If I ever get the materials again I will give it another shot to at least see if I get silver.

In fact I will see if I can just load up one of my other accounts and quickly test it.

Edit ↓
Tried with two R gacha tickets (supposedly 1300) and got silver (with a wait time of 60 minutes). Candyx20 + wild card 3. That about matches up with most of the silvers I remember getting.

Maybe it is the case that <1500 is not a guaranteed silver? Or the 780-1500 not being silver might be inaccurate for our version at the moment. Either way, guess that only shows it is possible to get silver rewards at <1500 and not necessarily that the SR can drop there.

Kotono
06-13-2015, 09:47 PM
This seems fun so I'll try it too.
I've tossed in R Gacha Ticket x2 and Pero Pudding x1, silver button, 1:30 wait time.
Making this post ahead of time so I don't forget the "ingredients". Will edit it later with the result.


And the result was the limited SR!


10/10 would play again

VirginPrince
06-14-2015, 12:53 AM
Thanks guys, I will update the tables again here soon along with my latest attempt.

R Gacha Ticket x3 gave me a silver button with 1.5 hour wait time and yielded Candy x20 + Wild Card 5 + Peronamin.

It seems to me that rather than trying to base it all off points, should maybe just use those as a general baseline to about how much you need to add to reach a threshold for the wait times. It seems that is all that truly matters from what I can tell.

Kotono
06-14-2015, 01:44 AM
Started a new test with Peronamin x1 and R Gacha Ticket x6. Wait time is 2:30, so I'll report back later with the result.

*later on*
It gave me Candy x30, PeroPero Glasses x2 and PeroPero Radar x2.

VirginPrince
06-14-2015, 02:13 PM
I've updated the table with the last few test runs. Thanks to you both.
Hopefully I can get this table more filled out with as many possible rewards as I can.

laedalqin
06-15-2015, 12:53 AM
Got the other two cards at the same time (rare: Urumi Aiba; common: Aoe Sugai) from peronamin + pero pudding. 60 minutes / silver.

Anonymous
06-15-2015, 01:49 AM
Dropped in 3 Pero Puddings, got 1x Peronamin + 1x Wild Card 5.

blobzerz
06-15-2015, 08:48 AM
*copypasta from linemarvel thread linking to this post [Full Game] (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction - Page 21 - The Unofficial LineMarvel Forums (http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.php?p=686057#post686057) *

I'll bite. I'm using 3 pudding which gives me same amount of points that gave this dude SR card, waiting time 1:30 ... will edit with results

Unregistered*clavatK
06-15-2015, 09:18 AM
i just put 3 candys peronamin, the pudding and the R wild card.

i got the silver card.

Unregistered
06-15-2015, 10:04 AM
2Rare tickets and pudding got a Pudding and half pudding back lol

blobzerz
06-15-2015, 10:16 AM
got 1x wildcard 5 + 1x pudding... fail

laedalqin
06-15-2015, 10:33 AM
Peronamin + pero pudding. Got back a half pudding.

Trying again with peronamin + 2 half puddings. 50 minute wait.

Edit ↓
Got a wild card 1.

VirginPrince
06-15-2015, 12:48 PM
Ok, I think I got all that stuff added in the correct places.

But so that everyone here knows, it really helps me out on where to place the rewards if you can put the time you waited.

Thanks!

xMazax
06-15-2015, 04:10 PM
I gave 2 R Gacha Ticket and 1 Pero Pudding and got SR Chise Hosokawa. Wait time was 1h 30min

Kotono
06-15-2015, 04:34 PM
I gave 2 R Gacha Ticket and 1 Pero Pudding and got SR Chise Hosokawa. Wait time was 1h 30min

Oho, same as me then!

Congrats

xMazax
06-15-2015, 04:39 PM
Oho, same as me then!

Congrats

Actually your message encouraged me to try. So thanks! :)

Unregistered
06-15-2015, 05:46 PM
2 R Gacha Ticket and 1 Pudding got the R Urumi Aiba :( no SR

Unregistered
06-15-2015, 08:57 PM
Dropped in 2 Pero Puddings, 1xPeronamin for silver button, 2 hour timer which gave a card reveal.

VirginPrince
06-15-2015, 09:15 PM
Added missing items. Thanks!

laedalqin
06-15-2015, 09:53 PM
When I did peronamin + 2 half pero puddings it was 50 minutes and not 60 minutes (though it should add up to >=780). The reward was silver last I tried.
Also, all of the silvers I got were the smooth silver reward, rather than the rougher one. Not sure if relevant.

Edited this post since I mistakenly said peronamin + pero pudding at first, which is 60 minutes.

Kotono
06-15-2015, 10:58 PM
It seems as though the reward capsule itself is determined by the wait time. Looks like it goes skinny bronze -> fat bronze -> skinny silver -> fat silver -> skinny gold -> fat gold

My guess is each container holds more rewards than the previous tier. May or may not necessarily be better rewards, just more of each one. But I guess this is what the testing is all about. :p

Wulfgang
06-16-2015, 01:29 AM
tried once 2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 1:30 hrs got candies and wild card

second time, same items 2:00 hrs.. gonna update reward..

blobzerz
06-16-2015, 04:54 AM
2nd try: 2 pudings, R wild Card, 1 elixir, 10 candies; wait time 1h

got: 20 candy and wild card 3 x1

Unregistered
06-16-2015, 11:57 AM
2nd try: 2 pudings, R wild Card, 1 elixir, 10 candies; wait time 1h

got: 20 candy and wild card 3 x1

tried once 2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 1:30 hrs got candies and wild card

second time, same items 2:00 hrs.. gonna update reward..

tried once 2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 1:30 hrs got candies and wild card

second time, same items 2:00 hrs.. gonna update reward..

UPdate

Card Reveal
http://harem-battle.club/peropero-seduction/48-kuritos-nest-3.html
Tried another times til Gold Confirm button 5:00 hrs with 8 Rare Gacha 4 Pero pudding and 10 candies... got N card... interesting ^^

VirginPrince
06-16-2015, 08:34 PM
tried once 2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 1:30 hrs got candies and wild card

second time, same items 2:00 hrs.. gonna update reward..

tried once 2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 1:30 hrs got candies and wild card

second time, same items 2:00 hrs.. gonna update reward..

UPdate

Card Reveal
http://harem-battle.club/peropero-seduction/48-kuritos-nest-3.html
Tried another times til Gold Confirm button 5:00 hrs with 8 Rare Gacha 4 Pero pudding and 10 candies... got N card... interesting ^^

I'm slightly confused here.
2 R gacha + 1 pero pudding 2:00 hrs = card reveal?

5:00 hrs with 8 Rare Gacha 4 Pero pudding and 10 candies = limited N card?

Unregistered
06-16-2015, 09:43 PM
2xpudding and 1xperonamin, 2.30 wait time. Got 30xcandy, 1 peronamin, 1 half pudding

Grimnm
06-17-2015, 01:40 PM
Gave 3 Pero Puddings , got 1 "5 WildCard" and a Peroanim.

VirginPrince
06-17-2015, 02:45 PM
Gave 3 Pero Puddings , got 1 "5 WildCard" and a Peroanim.

What was the wait time for this? 1:30?

Grimnm
06-17-2015, 03:20 PM
What was the wait time for this? 1:30?


Aye. Also gave a half pero pudding (0:40 wait time) and received a half pero-anim and an R Wild Card 1.

Garrick
06-19-2015, 06:07 AM
So from the current tests, the 2x Rare Gacha Ticket + Pero Pudding has somewhat a higher chance on giving out the limited SR?
I already got the normal and rare cards from Kurito, only the limited SR remains (sorry, I forgot what I gave her though, but I recall wait time was around 1:40:00)

VirginPrince
06-19-2015, 06:09 PM
So from the current tests, the 2x Rare Gacha Ticket + Pero Pudding has somewhat a higher chance on giving out the limited SR?
I already got the normal and rare cards from Kurito, only the limited SR remains (sorry, I forgot what I gave her though, but I recall wait time was around 1:40:00)

It seems to me that the chances are determined by the actual wait time.

I'm still waiting to see if it is actually possible to get the limited cards with nothing more than a 2 point donation to Kurito.

Unregistered
06-19-2015, 10:28 PM
I used two peronamins and 1 pero pudding and got the 2 hour timer. I gots 30 candy and 2 peropero glasses :D

Garrick
06-20-2015, 01:47 AM
It seems to me that the chances are determined by the actual wait time.

I'm still waiting to see if it is actually possible to get the limited cards with nothing more than a 2 point donation to Kurito.

Still have spare candies and N Wild Cards to give her, but then again I'm saving my Pero for the upcoming event, so I'm keeping the 'gambling' minimal for now.

blobzerz
06-20-2015, 02:26 AM
Got Rare card and wild card 1x1 after feeding her 3 rare gacha tickets, 10 candies, 10 normal wild cards

VirginPrince
06-20-2015, 04:55 PM
Got Rare card and wild card 1x1 after feeding her 3 rare gacha tickets, 10 candies, 10 normal wild cards

Was this a 1:30 wait time?

Unregistered
06-21-2015, 07:00 AM
All my 5 tries are 90 min tripe (3 pudding or 3 R Gacha)

1) 20 candy + 1* Wild3
2) 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
3) 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
4) 1*Wild5+ Pudding
5) R girl (Urumi Aiba)

I only seen one play with the N girl (Aoe Sugai) once. The N girl seems to be the most rare of the 3 girls - Strange ??

Any easy way to get N girl?? Can I get a N girl just by donating 10 N wild??

It seems that players WHO dont get a girl get items worth less than half the point they donated.

Candy and N Gach almost give no point so not much point of donate that.
I feel R Wild, Wild1, Wild3, wild5 tickes like also are not worth donating.

R Gacha should be donated.
Pero Pudding should be donated.

I dont know if Peronamin, N Wild , Card reveal and Ex Wild should donated.
I spend my 2 reveal to get my 2 Ex Wild Card for quest.

What do you think??

Unregistered
06-21-2015, 07:28 AM
6) 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
7) SR girl (Chiso Hosokowa)

Unregistered
06-21-2015, 08:00 AM
8) 1*Wild5+ 1*pudding
9) 1*pudding half

Unregistered
06-21-2015, 09:52 AM
Two times I gave 3 R Gasha. First I got one 90 min trip and 2ndly a 150 min trips.

90 min trip gave: R Gacha
2:30 hopur trip gave 30 candy, 2* Glasses, 2* Radar.
From all the 90 min trips I have get the same silver nut (tall nut)
The 150 min trip gave the other silver nut.

VirginPrince
06-21-2015, 07:58 PM
R Gacha should be donated.
Pero Pudding should be donated.

I dont know if Peronamin, N Wild , Card reveal and Ex Wild should donated.
I spend my 2 reveal to get my 2 Ex Wild Card for quest.

What do you think??

I'm under the impression that only the R Gacha tickets are truly worth donating. But then, I've been using my card reveals only along side the SR Guaranteed tickets. And it is true that the EX wild cards will be needed later as well.

XionSteel
06-22-2015, 10:50 AM
Since i already got every SR i possibly could atm from Gacha and Exploration maps i'm going to throw in a single card reveal and see what i get.

Result:
1 card reveal -> 1100points -> 2:00:00 = Silver -> Candy 20, R Gacha ticket -> 690 points

Going to continue by adding in what i just got (could only add 10 candy max though ;/):
1 R Gacha Ticket + 10 Candy -> 670 points -> 00:50:00 = Silver -> Wild Card 3, R Wild Card -> 65 points

Never gives you anything of equal value now does she.

Unregistered
06-22-2015, 12:53 PM
i spent one pero pudding and one candy to kurito-kun, then i wait about 50 minutes and got 1 wild card 3, and R wild card 1 :)

Kotono
06-22-2015, 01:19 PM
This thread has been progressing quite nicely, hah.

Just so you guys know, I'm currently saving up points to see if I can get a rainbow confirm button. I think right now I should be right around 16k worth of points. Need more peronamin/pudding and card reveals.

Very curious about what kind of rewards could possibly come from such a heavy donation.

Aaeryn
06-22-2015, 07:10 PM
Err, how can I say that, the material exemple/material points in the table seem to be unacurate. For exemple :
"R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1" (1950 pt if I still know how to count) 1,501 - 2,600 1:30.
And just below "Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1" (1850 pt) 2,830 - 3,250 2:00. That seem kinda wrong.

On that note, I've tried with 96 points and got a 0:10 min timer (instead of the 0:20 listed), and tried with 100/105 points and got the "normal" 0:20 (and a round drop)

Also, I got two different timers with the sames item (2R gatcha and 1 wildcard 5, so 1510 points) gave me a 2:00 timer (and a round drop), then a 1:30 timer (still waiting on that one), so I assume the more point you put in, the higher chance you have to get a longer run.

Here some drops that I've got (and are missing from the table)
32 to 96pt/0:10/long drop : 5 candy + Sexual energy drink ; Sexual energy drink ; 5 candy ; R wild card 1 ; Elixir
100pt/0:20/round drop : 5 candy + R wild card ; R wild card
1510pt/2:00/round drop : Peronamin + Peronamin half

I'm kinda interested to see if drop shape are tied with duration, or if it's more a "critical" mechanism.
And, on your rainbow... Well, good luck ! I think you'll need some :3

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 03:48 AM
Err, how can I say that, the material exemple/material points in the table seem to be unacurate. For exemple :
"R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1" (1950 pt if I still know how to count) 1,501 - 2,600 1:30.
And just below "Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1" (1850 pt) 2,830 - 3,250 2:00. That seem kinda wrong.

On that note, I've tried with 96 points and got a 0:10 min timer (instead of the 0:20 listed), and tried with 100/105 points and got the "normal" 0:20 (and a round drop)

Also, I got two different timers with the sames item (2R gatcha and 1 wildcard 5, so 1510 points) gave me a 2:00 timer (and a round drop), then a 1:30 timer (still waiting on that one), so I assume the more point you put in, the higher chance you have to get a longer run.

Here some drops that I've got (and are missing from the table)
32 to 96pt/0:10/long drop : 5 candy + Sexual energy drink ; Sexual energy drink ; 5 candy ; R wild card 1 ; Elixir
100pt/0:20/round drop : 5 candy + R wild card ; R wild card
1510pt/2:00/round drop : Peronamin + Peronamin half

I'm kinda interested to see if drop shape are tied with duration, or if it's more a "critical" mechanism.
And, on your rainbow... Well, good luck ! I think you'll need some :3

I tried to donate 1650-1950 worth of iteme 15 times:
13 times I got 90 min waiting time, once 120 min waiting time, and once 150 min waiting time.
Prices form 120 and 150 waiting times was better than from 90 min waiting time.
90 min always give tall silver nut.
120 and 150 min always give other silver nut.

I think the waiting time determinates the prizes and there chances.

Aaeryn
06-23-2015, 08:26 AM
I tried to donate 1650-1950 worth of iteme 15 times:
13 times I got 90 min waiting time, once 120 min waiting time, and once 150 min waiting time.
Prices form 120 and 150 waiting times was better than from 90 min waiting time.
90 min always give tall silver nut.
120 and 150 min always give other silver nut.

I think the waiting time determinates the prizes and there chances.

Thanks for these confirmation.
For now, it seem the round nuts is here when we got a superior timer from a donation value... Right ?

Also, two more try with 1510pt/1:30 timer :
wc5 + Peronamin
the N card.

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:18 PM
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Pudding half
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 R girl
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild

Wild3 for 1 R Gacha tichet + 1000 Pero almost every time seem to be a really good deal to me.
It also can give R girl.
3 R Gacha give wild5 some time but less often and cost 3 more.

Maybe this is the most efficent way to donate

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:21 PM
0:20 R wild
0:20 R wild

Dont seem to be worthwhile donate.

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:23 PM
1 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild3
2 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
3 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
4 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
5 01:30:00 R girl
6 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
7 01:30:00 SR gilr
8 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
9 01:30:00 1*pudding half
10 01:30:00 1* R Gacha
11 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
12 01:30:00 1* Wild5 + Perom
13 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
14 02:30:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
15 02:00:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
16 02:00:00 R girl
17 02:00:00 1* Wild5 + Perom

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:31 PM
Each time I doneted 3 of eigther R Gacha or Puddings or a combination so 1650 to 1950 points. Nomaly trip time is 90 min but 2 times trip time was longer

1 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild3
2 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
3 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
4 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
5 01:30:00 R girl
6 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
7 01:30:00 SR girl
8 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
9 01:30:00 1*pudding half
10 01:30:00 1* R Gacha
11 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
12 01:30:00 1* Wild5 + Perom
13 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
14 02:30:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
15 02:00:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
16 01:30:00 R girl
17 01:30:00 1* Wild5 + Perom

It is posible to get same girl more than once :(
I would rather have the N girl than the R girl a 2nd time.
Special girls 3 out of 17 times not too bad - Still I dont know if it is better to donate 1 R Gacha each time or 3 R Gacha each time.

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:35 PM
Donatede 2 half pudding
0:30 1*Wild1

Not what I hoped for...

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 02:53 PM
gave 1 pero pudding, 1 N Wild card, 2 candy. 40minute wait - got 1 Wild Card (3), and 1 R Wild Card
gave 1 peronamin half, 1 pero pudding, 1 pero pudding half, 1 N wild card. 50 minute wait - got 1 Wild Card, and 20 candy
both were silver.

VirginPrince
06-23-2015, 04:31 PM
Since i already got every SR i possibly could atm from Gacha and Exploration maps i'm going to throw in a single card reveal and see what i get.

Result:
1 card reveal -> 1100points -> 2:00:00 = Silver -> Candy 20, R Gacha ticket -> 690 points

Going to continue by adding in what i just got (could only add 10 candy max though ;/):
1 R Gacha Ticket + 10 Candy -> 670 points -> 00:50:00 = Silver -> Wild Card 3, R Wild Card -> 65 points

Never gives you anything of equal value now does she.

Nope. I think the amounts you give just influence your timer, which is what actually can determine what you get. Sometimes the timer appears to be higher than normal even for the same donations.


Err, how can I say that, the material exemple/material points in the table seem to be unacurate. For exemple :
"R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1" (1950 pt if I still know how to count) 1,501 - 2,600 1:30.
And just below "Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1" (1850 pt) 2,830 - 3,250 2:00. That seem kinda wrong.

On that note, I've tried with 96 points and got a 0:10 min timer (instead of the 0:20 listed), and tried with 100/105 points and got the "normal" 0:20 (and a round drop)

Also, I got two different timers with the sames item (2R gatcha and 1 wildcard 5, so 1510 points) gave me a 2:00 timer (and a round drop), then a 1:30 timer (still waiting on that one), so I assume the more point you put in, the higher chance you have to get a longer run.

I'm kinda interested to see if drop shape are tied with duration, or if it's more a "critical" mechanism.


Well, I took the base table from the JP wiki, including the points. I don't know the source or authenticity of the point values, but so far they generally seem pretty close to coming out with the times mentioned. And as you say, sometimes the wait time is different even for the same donations. As if there is a hidden chance to get a "better" reward than normal.


00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Pudding half
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 R girl
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild

Wild3 for 1 R Gacha tichet + 1000 Pero almost every time seem to be a really good deal to me.
It also can give R girl.
3 R Gacha give wild5 some time but less often and cost 3 more.

Maybe this is the most efficent way to donate

Could be on to something here. Going to see how this works out for me too.

XionSteel
06-23-2015, 07:11 PM
Just threw in a tripple pero pudding and finally got the limited R, going to keep trying till i get the SR.... N would be nice too but i cant seem to go for both at the same time ;<

[Edit]
Hrm, Throwing in a Peronamin and x2 Pero pudding halfs (810 points) gave me a 00:50:00 timer.

bleh.

VirginPrince
06-23-2015, 11:56 PM
So far, every time I give her a R gacha ticket, I've got back a Wild Card 3, and sometimes even an additional R Wild Card. This is a much more effective use for raising SED as opposed to just using the ticket to draw gacha assuming you are not missing a vast majority of cards from the gacha itself.


And now I also have obtained a Wild Card 5 and the Limited R, from only giving her the R Gacha Ticket at 50 minute wait time.

Unregistered
06-24-2015, 07:07 AM
Gave 3 R gacha or pudding

1:30 20x candy 1x wildcard5
1:30 R girl
1:30 R girl
1:30 R girl


no sr:(

Unregistered
06-24-2015, 01:07 PM
what is the best way to get the special N card?

Unregistered
06-24-2015, 02:53 PM
I finaly got N-girl

1*R-Gacha eash time :)
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Pudding half
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
00:50:00 R girl
00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
00:50:00 Wild3
00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
00:50:00 Wild 3
00:50:00 N-Girl

Garrick
06-24-2015, 10:18 PM
Dropped 3x Rare Gacha Ticket earlier.
Wait time: 01:30:00
Obatined: (R) Urumi Aiba :(

bionik
06-25-2015, 12:53 PM
After a lot of tries of getting SR i finally thought to get more than 20r points and had rainbow button. So i add 10 card reveal, 10 pero pudding, 10 peronamin and 2 R gacha tickets. After waiting 5 hours i get 10 pero puddings, EX wild card ( i dont know what is it) and 100 candies...

Starting to lose hope of getting SR... ._.

Aaeryn
06-25-2015, 02:29 PM
Kinda the same, trying to grab that SR and loosing hope at it...

My 4 tries of the day (runing out of gaz) was the R girl, 3 time, on a 1:30 or 2:00 timer, and once the N girl after a 2:00 timer.

Also, about EX wild card,"An item that lets you increase any card's Ex Level by one.". "If you clear a One-Shot Mission's corresponding mission, your Ex Level limit will increase.
After an Ex Level limit is unlocked, you can raise all your cards to the upper limit."
Quoting from the FAQ, card page.

Zerana
06-26-2015, 06:37 AM
Here is what I used and what I got:

2 Rare Tickets + 1 Pero Pudding:

Attempt 1: 1 Wild Card 5 + 1 Pero Pudding = Slim Silver Acorn Time: 1 hour 30 min
Attempt 2: 1 Wild Card 5 + 1 Peronamin = Slim Silver Acorn Time: 1 hour 30 min
Attempt 3: 20 candy + 1 rare ticket = Slim Silver Acorn Time: 1 hour 30 min
Attempt 4: Normal Card Aoe Sugai = Fat Silver Acorn Time: 2 hour 30 min


Pero Pudding x 3

Attempt 1: 1 Wild Card 5 + 1 Pero Pudding = Slim Silver Acorn Time: 1 hour 30 min



A few things I've noticed, and I'm sure others have noticed as well:

1. The 'confirm' button changes after you set the items. It goes from bronze, to silver, to gold, depending on the items and the # added. At the very least you will know if you are going to get silver or gold, etc.

2. The wait time for the limited cards, and probably 'high level' items will be longer even if you use the same 'ingredients'. At least that is how it was with me.

3. Rare tickets and puddings are probably the best items to give up if you are going for the cards. Just gotta cross your fingers and hope for the best. So, good luck everyone. ♥

Unregistered
06-26-2015, 08:50 AM
3 of R-Gacha or puddings can give SR-girl but I only got it ONCE in 20 tries.
3 of R-Gacha or puddings can give R-girl but I only got it 2 times in 20 tries.

1 R-Gacha or 1 Pudding gave me N-girl once in 20 tries.
1 R-Gacha or 1 Pudding gave me R-girl 3 times in 20 tries.

same player can get same girl many times.

The limmed girls have low SED so players will not use the for battle where only 5 girls are used but they increase players total SED.
Total SED is used in some events. All 3 girls raise total SED.

bionik
06-26-2015, 12:33 PM
If i will put 1 card reveal and 1 pudding can i get SR card?

Aaeryn
06-26-2015, 12:57 PM
That's make 1750 points, and probably a 1:30 timer, which CAN give you the SR, but you need luck to grab it on your first try.

VirginPrince
06-27-2015, 01:39 AM
Thanks guys, I think I'm caught up now.

Pretty lame results for a rainbow button, imo. I was wondering if maybe it guaranteed one of the limited cards.


If i will put 1 card reveal and 1 pudding can i get SR card?

Yeah, all just RNG. It may or may not give you one. I'd personally hold on to card reveals for now if you have nothing else to use them on.

Unregistered
06-28-2015, 01:19 AM
~30 tries with 1.30 waiting time, mostly 3 pero puddings. Still no SR. Seems like its quite hard to get it lol

Unregistered
06-28-2015, 01:30 AM
UPDATE: 40+ tries with the same items 1.30 waiting time, still no SR, got R girl quite a few times though, seems like you have to go for the gold nut for a more reliable chance

Tenhou
06-28-2015, 07:40 AM
Dropped 3x Rare Gacha Ticket earlier.
Wait time: 01:30:00
Obatined: (R) Urumi Aiba :(

This happened to me yesterday too. Not sure why you're sad though, it's a fox girl! Exactly the girl i wanted, although i also want the SR one.

I tend to dump one N card per day into this. Is there actually any point in that, though? :P
(no, Urumi was from 3 R Gachas)

Shiro
06-28-2015, 07:52 AM
This happened to me yesterday too. Not sure why you're sad though, it's a fox girl! Exactly the girl i wanted, although i also want the SR one.

I tend to dump one N card per day into this. Is there actually any point in that, though? :P
(no, Urumi was from 3 R Gachas)

I'd say no since it only gives you 4 material points which can only reward you like 5 candy's (i think?). Took me a while to figure this out tho, wasted almost all of my normal wc's on it :c

Xenrir
06-28-2015, 01:24 PM
It seems to me that the chances are determined by the actual wait time.

I'm still waiting to see if it is actually possible to get the limited cards with nothing more than a 2 point donation to Kurito.

Just registered to say that I just got the Limited R from feeding her a single candy, and I obtained the Limited N last week via the same method if memory serves me right. No clue about the SR yet, though.

Tenhou
06-28-2015, 01:32 PM
I guess that means that my memories of getting a sexual energy drink from just a N card was not wrong then. Will continue using one N card per day, thanks for the info :D

Well, that was interesting. Gave Clit-chan one candy and she gave me an N wild, an N gacha and a second foxgirl.

Unregistered
06-28-2015, 06:35 PM
51 times donate1* R-Gacha :

1 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
2 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
3 00:50:00 Wild3
4 00:50:00 Pudding half
5 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
6 00:50:00 R girl
7 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
8 00:50:00 Wild3
9 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
10 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
11 00:50:00 Wild 3
12 00:50:00 N-Girl
13 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
14 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
15 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
16 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
17 00:50:00 Wild3
18 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
19 00:50:00 R girl
20 00:50:00 Wild3
21 00:50:00 Wild1
22 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
23 00:50:00 R girl
24 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
25 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
26 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
27 00:50:00 Wild3
28 00:50:00 Wild3
29 00:50:00 Wild3
30 00:50:00 Wild3
31 01:00:00 Peronamin half + Peronamin
32 00:50:00 Peronamin half
33 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
34 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
35 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
36 00:50:00 Wild3
37 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
38 00:50:00 N-Girl
39 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
40 00:50:00 Wild1
41 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
42 00:50:00 Pudding half
43 00:50:00 15 candy + R girl
44 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
45 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
46 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
47 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
48 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
49 00:50:00 Pudding half
50 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3 + Peronamin half
51 00:50:00 Pudding half

R-Girl: 4 times out of 51. , N-Girl: 2 times out of 51.

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51 times donate1* R-Gacha :

1 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
2 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
3 00:50:00 Wild3
4 00:50:00 Pudding half
5 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
6 00:50:00 R girl
7 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
8 00:50:00 Wild3
9 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
10 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
11 00:50:00 Wild 3
12 00:50:00 N-Girl
13 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
14 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
15 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
16 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
17 00:50:00 Wild3
18 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
19 00:50:00 R girl
20 00:50:00 Wild3
21 00:50:00 Wild1
22 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
23 00:50:00 R girl
24 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
25 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
26 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
27 00:50:00 Wild3
28 00:50:00 Wild3
29 00:50:00 Wild3
30 00:50:00 Wild3
31 01:00:00 Peronamin half + Peronamin
32 00:50:00 Peronamin half
33 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
34 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
35 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
36 00:50:00 Wild3
37 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
38 00:50:00 N-Girl
39 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
40 00:50:00 Wild1
41 00:50:00 15 candy + Wild1 + Peronamin half
42 00:50:00 Pudding half
43 00:50:00 15 candy + R girl
44 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3
45 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
46 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
47 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
48 00:50:00 Wild3 + R Wild
49 00:50:00 Pudding half
50 00:50:00 20 Candy + Wild 3 + Peronamin half
51 00:50:00 Pudding half

R-Girl: 4 times out of 51. , N-Girl: 2 times out of 51.

I will try 1 candy 50 times.

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UPDATE: 40+ tries with the same items 1.30 waiting time, still no SR, got R girl quite a few times though, seems like you have to go for the gold nut for a more reliable chance

I believe there's a greater chance to get the SR if you bump up the silver timer, boosting all the way to gold seems a little too expensive. I tried the 1h30m timer a BUNCH and just got a lot of Wild5, peronamin, pudding and candy, the R and N cards but no SR. Started using 2 card reveals with 1-3 puddings which would get me the 2h30m and 3h timers. I got the SR within the first 24 hours of doing that. I used 2 card reveal and 2 puddings when I got it, 2h30m timer I believe.

Opalia24
06-29-2015, 12:01 AM
1 candy 13 times:

1,00 00:05 N-Gacha
2,00 00:05 5*Candy
3,00 00:05 N-Gacha
4,00 00:05 5*Candy
5,00 00:05 N-Wild 1
6,00 00:05 N-Wild 1
7,00 00:05 5*Candy
8,00 00:05 N-Wild 1
9,00 00:05 N-Gacha
10,00 00:05 N-Gacha
11,00 00:05 5*Candy
12,00 00:05 5*Candy
13,00 00:05 N-Wild 1

No girls so far and uselless drops

3* R-Gachs or 3*Pudding

1,00 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild3
2,00 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
3,00 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
4,00 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
5,00 01:30:00 R girl
6,00 01:30:00 20 candy + 1* Wild5 + Perom
7,00 01:30:00 SR gilr
8,00 01:30:00 1*Wild5+ Pudding
9,00 01:30:00 1*pudding half
10,00 01:30:00 1* R Gacha
11,00 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
12,00 01:30:00 1* Wild5 + Perom
13,00 01:30:00 20 Candy R Gasha
14,00 02:30:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
15,00 02:00:00 30 Candy, 2* Glasses, 2*Radar
16,00 01:30:00 R girl
17,00 01:30:00 1* Wild5 + Perom
18,00 01:30:00 1* pudding + 1*pudding half

SR-Girl once out for 18 tries. R-Girl 2 time out of 18 tries.

From daily missions players can earn 1 R-Gacha per day. Free players need luck to get the monthly SR-Girl.
So far donating one R-Gacha a a time been best thing to donate...

bionik
06-29-2015, 06:35 AM
After a lot of tries of getting SR with silver button i got nothing again. So i started to do golden button with last things i had. So after 3 tries with 4 hours i finnally get SR girl. ^_^ So to have more chance of getting SR you must have gold button but it's really expensive...

To have golden button i put 10 pero puddings, 3 card reveal and 1 R gacha.

Unregistered
06-29-2015, 11:49 PM
i spent 2 peroamin and 2 R gacha ticket, then i got 30 candy and 1 pero glasses 0w0
its much less for a silver nuts o.O

Arekusu
06-30-2015, 07:39 AM
Just got the SR from a single R Gatcha! Evidently a low chance but it works for me :)

Garrick
07-01-2015, 07:43 AM
This happened to me yesterday too. Not sure why you're sad though, it's a fox girl! Exactly the girl i wanted, although i also want the SR one.

I tend to dump one N card per day into this. Is there actually any point in that, though? :P
(no, Urumi was from 3 R Gachas)

Was sad coz it's the third time I got Urumi Aiba. :\

I recently dropped 3x Rare Gacha again, but I'm surprised that my wait time is 2:30:00 for this one.
Will edit this post once Kurito's back.

EDIT: I got the following:
30x Candy
2x Pero Pero Glasses
2x Pero Pero Radar

Another try. This time, I gave these to Kurito:
2x Pero Pero Glasses
1x Peronamin
Waiting time: 1:30:00

I got: 1x SR Wild Card 5
1x Peronamin

This time, I threw 1x Rare Gacha.

Will edit once I receive whatever the item will be.

XionSteel
07-01-2015, 07:28 PM
Throwing in a R gacha by itself is definitely the most worth it because more times then not it will give you a SR Wild Card 3 with a small chance of getting either the Limited N or R. This is especially true if you already have most of the cards that are already in the gacha (increasing a SR by 3 levels is more worth then the unlikely chance of getting a new card or hitting the same card in a gacha and increasing its level by 1 instead).

Otherwise you want to throw in 3 peronamine or Pero Puddings (any combination) in for a chance at the limited SR. once you have it then you don't need to go for it again (unless you REALLY wanted SR Wild Card 5s, which in case is not worth it).

Kotono
07-01-2015, 08:05 PM
Did a rainbow button, 5 hour wait time.

10x each of Peronamin, Pero Puddings, and R Gacha Ticket
2x Card Reveal

Result:
All I got was the Limited SR.
Kind of a boring result, imo, for all that I gave.

Danex
07-01-2015, 11:36 PM
Wow, throwing those card reveal away really had to hurt.

So far I'm still not convinced into feeding anything to Kurito, at least not during the current event's duration.

Tenhou
07-02-2015, 03:47 AM
Did a rainbow button, 5 hour wait time.

10x each of Peronamin, Pero Puddings, and R Gacha Ticket
2x Card Reveal

Result:
All I got was the Limited SR.
Kind of a boring result, imo, for all that I gave.

Well, if you don't want that SR i'll gladly take it *rollseyes*
It's the one thing i keep trying to get. If they only could put up a deal or so per day that lets you get something better than normal with pero, then i could get some more material to use.

Finally got the limited N card, though, so that's nice.

Kotono
07-02-2015, 04:14 AM
The N card is the one I still need to get from her. Feels so weird for it to be the lowest rarity that I can't get.

Danex
07-02-2015, 07:29 AM
Now that you mention that N card. Just realized that some days ago I tried Kurito for the first (and so far the only) time, and I got the limited N.

I'll give it another try, hope it's worth the risk

LoliEst
07-02-2015, 08:31 AM
1*Peronamin + 1*Pudding + 1*R-gacha + 10*Candy

Got a pudding half and SR card

Maza
07-02-2015, 08:36 AM
I gave one R gatcha ticket and got both N & R girls. Timer was 50 min.

Before that it gave Wild 3 cards, Wild 3 cards + candy or R girl. Timer was always 50 min.

kurone014
07-02-2015, 03:50 PM
First post.
Threw in 2 peronamin + 1 pudding wait time 1:30
Result : 1 peronamin + 1 SR wild 5

Just threw in 1 R-Gacha wait time 50 min still waiting.

It seems that the timer has all the connection to what drop you will get. Most likely.

Danex
07-02-2015, 10:07 PM
I gave her 1 R-Gacha + 1 Half Peronamin + 4 N Gacha.
Timer was 1 hour and I got the R girl.

Still can't convince me. Guess I'm just gonna stick to the event for now.

kurone014
07-02-2015, 11:55 PM
Last result was wild card 3

just threw in another R-Gacha wait time 50 min still waiting

Unregistered
07-03-2015, 12:33 PM
So to clarify things. On other forums people says that 1 r gatcha is enough for a chance of SR. Anyone can confirm that? I want her so badly. Already have N & R.

kurone014
07-03-2015, 12:44 PM
And the result was...... another wild card 3

I'm getting depressed with only wild card lol xD so I feed her 1 peronamin + 1 R-Gacha + 1 Elixir wait time 60 min

Edited: btw, does anybody know what is that PeroPero Agura and Radar? And its in-game use for?

Unregistered
07-03-2015, 06:35 PM
Agura? you mean glasses? both are consumables for another event - 200 lvls dungeon i pressume.

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Peronamin x1 gives me 1hr time =
1. wild card 3
2. wild card 3
3. pero pudding + half pero pudding

R gatcha x1 gives me 50 min

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Put in 3 rare gacha tickets and pulled both the super rare card and the normal card after a 2:30 wait.

Skulkraken
07-03-2015, 06:58 PM
Gave 1x Candy, got 1x N Gacha Ticket.
----
Gave another Candy, got 5x Candies in return.
-----
Another 1x Candy got me 1x N Wild Card.

All of these were on a 5 minute timer.

Unregistered
07-04-2015, 11:59 PM
1 Peronamin + 1 Pero Pudding = 3:30 wait time
* limited N
* limited SR

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Peronamin x1 gives me 1hr time =
1. wild card 3
2. wild card 3
3. pero pudding + half pero pudding

peronamin x1 also gave me 50 min time with same rewards

peronamin x1 at 40 min gave me N limit card - aoe sugai

R gatcha x1 gives me 50 min

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So, if I understand correctly, trading in EITHER a R Gacha ticket OR a Peronamin are good ways to get my hands on Aoe Sugai (the N exclusive card)? Because that's the only of the three I'm missing and it's starting to piss me off...

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I got all 3 limited cards from silver button. Got the N one time and the R 5 times from 1:30 timers, and the SR from a 2:00 timer. Took many attempts to get the SR, probably about 10 1:30s and 6 2:00 plus 2 2:30. I did about 5 :50 timers and got no cards from it, so I'm not sure if it's better to try for that or to stick with 1:30 for all 3.

Danex
07-05-2015, 10:20 AM
What did you donate when receiving the SR from the 2:00 timer? It's the only one I can't get for now

Tenhou
07-05-2015, 10:48 AM
As far as i know and can see from the rest of the replies, what you donate does not matter, what matters is how long the timer becomes. It is also very luck based. I tend to donate either one R gacha or 3 of them (or items of similar value) but i have yet to see the SR one :<

Unregistered
07-05-2015, 11:10 AM
What did you donate when receiving the SR from the 2:00 timer? It's the only one I can't get for now

For the record, I got the SR in my very first spin after reading this thread, with 2xR Gacha Tickets and 1xPeroPudding. Good luck in getting it - it took me forever to get N card, and I was ready to punch that goddamned squirrel in the face halfway across the world.

VirginPrince
07-05-2015, 02:26 PM
So to clarify things. On other forums people says that 1 r gatcha is enough for a chance of SR. Anyone can confirm that? I want her so badly. Already have N & R.

I don't think we have 100% confirmed this as a good farming method for it.

Someone did mentioned they used only a R ticket, but they didn't mention the wait time. So I'm unsure if the 50 minute timer you normally get gave him the card, or if he was given a longer wait time.

I think I have the table updated to reflect anything new that may have been found.

Arekusu
07-05-2015, 03:19 PM
Yeah I did get the SR from 1 R Gacha. Would have been 50m wait time, I was expecting a WC3 didn't put anything else there. It's definitely not a reliable way to get it though as evidenced by Opalia's tests.

Unregistered
07-06-2015, 11:37 AM
1 R-Gacha normaly give a waiting time of 50 min, but it can sometime give 1:30, 2:00, 2:30 and longer waiting time.
I so players can in teory get any reward that 3 R-Gacha can give just with 1 R-Gacha but chance are very small.

I tried 1 R-Gacha more than 100 time I got R-Gacha 10 times and N-Gacha 2 times and SR-Gacha 0 times so far.
Just guesing maybe chance for SR-Gacha is 5%*5% = 0,25% or maybe less.

To get SR-Gacha doing doing 1 R-Gacha each time takes on maybe 400 R-Gacha while 3 R-Gacha each time only takes maybe 20-30 tries = 60-100 R-Gacha.

1 R-Gacha is very effective way to get R-girl but we still need to find good way to get SR and N girl.

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It seem i'm not the only one having hard time getting the N card. They are availible till when ?

CSocktaters
07-06-2015, 12:42 PM
I was able to get the N using a pudding (ran out of R-gachas) but still need to grab the R to finish. :/

Tenhou
07-06-2015, 04:14 PM
Yeah I did get the SR from 1 R Gacha. Would have been 50m wait time, I was expecting a WC3 didn't put anything else there. It's definitely not a reliable way to get it though as evidenced by Opalia's tests.

Well i guess i will just start saving up 3 R gacha tickets before i feed Clit-chan again then. Been using one ticket in hopes but seeing the chances i guess it is better to go for 3.

Unregistered
07-07-2015, 07:27 AM
I just got R-Girl and N-Girl with same R-Gacha :)

Minako Shino (Normal girl) have just been added to PeroPero today in N-Gacha.

Skulkraken
07-07-2015, 07:51 AM
Put in 3x Peronamin + 1 Peronamin Half. Silver button, 1:30 timer.
> Got SR Wild Card 5 + Pero Pudding

Unregistered
07-07-2015, 11:48 AM
Gave Peronamin 3x and Pernamin half 2x. Got a 2 1/2 hour wait time. The words were all colorful. I'll post up what I got later.

I got Aoe Sugai (N). Well, I feel raped betwixed the cheeks.

CSocktaters
07-07-2015, 01:43 PM
I used a Peronamin because I ran out of R-gacha and pudding to feed her, have to get that R card still, and ended up bringing home a Peronamin and an SR Wild Card 3 after 50 minutes. Considering I've been stuck getting 20 candies for who knows how long this is a nice find.

Unregistered
07-08-2015, 06:09 AM
R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1
>Got N and SR card, both at same time.

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R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1
>Got N and SR card, both at same time.

Wait time?

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R Gacha Ticket x2 + Pero Pudding x1
>Got N and SR card, both at same time.

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Wait time?

1:30, and I used a chestnut liqueur.

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1 candy used about 100x

Commonly got

N Wild Card
N Gacha
Candy 5x

Sometimes got

N Wild card + N Gacha

Only got once

Limited R

Tenhou
07-08-2015, 08:15 AM
Decided to wait a bit until i had some more tickets, and the 200k SED achievement gave me another few. So now i fed her 5 R tickets and a peronamin. It's a 2:30 timer so i hope it will yield results for once...

Unregistered
07-08-2015, 08:35 AM
Pero glasses keep or donate ??

Danex
07-08-2015, 09:42 AM
If I remember correctly, those glasses are useful for the tower-type event, which it's supposed to happen in the future.
I'd say keep them, unless you're really in a hurry to get a certain card.

According to the point table from the first post, glasses worths less points than a R-Gacha ticket (which you can easily get daily), but worths the same as a peronamin, which is also good for donating.

Tenhou
07-08-2015, 10:53 AM
So for my 5 R tickets and one peronamin i received a whooping 40 candies and 2 pero puddings. Stupid squirrel...

CSocktaters
07-08-2015, 11:28 AM
Just received 15 candies and the R card using an R gacha! That took a lot of pero to get though compared to the SR and N. I have 200 candies but I don't know what there use is. Has anyone else looked into their use?

Unregistered
07-09-2015, 04:24 PM
i put in 1 R gacha card + 10 candies, and i got 2 peronamin + 1 peronamin 1/2, time: 2h30

i luv u, Kurito-chan :x

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Pudding + 2 R gatcha = half peronamin :/
she just don't want 2 give me SR I guess

Tenhou
07-09-2015, 04:27 PM
You got a 2:30 wait time from just 1R gacha and 10 candies?! 0.o
That's quite something.

Unregistered
07-09-2015, 07:34 PM
You got a 2:30 wait time from just 1R gacha and 10 candies?! 0.o
That's quite something.

yep, i surprised myself as well

normally, if i put 1 R gacha card, i can only get a SR wild card 3 or something like that with 50m wait time

btw, what would happen if you give Kurito-chan some Ex wild cards? does anyone try this?

Kotono
07-09-2015, 07:44 PM
It shouldn't be any different than a card reveal.

I'm fairly convinced that the actual item given doesn't influence the reward. It just gives a value that get put toward the timer.

Opalia24
07-10-2015, 03:40 AM
From 1 R-Gacha I got witing time of
a) 50 min (Mostly more than 90% chance)
b) 1:00
c) 1:30
d) 2:00
e) 2:30
f) 3:00

The more points worth of items you donate the higher minimun wait time.

Skulkraken
07-10-2015, 09:11 AM
Put in 1 R-Gacha ticket.

Got a 50 min wait time.

Received SR Wild Card 5 and Peronamin.

YoshiEnVerde
07-10-2015, 10:26 AM
I have a question for players that have been in the JP version for a while:
The game says that Kurito's Nest's reward cards are changed on a monthly basis.

Seeing as there aren't that many cards available in the JP version, even though it's been up for years, I can't help but wonder if these limited cards are retired forever once their month is up, or if they're just rotated every N months.

I'd have posted this as a new thread, but I thought it unnecesary with this thread up. I'll move it to a new one if you deem it necesary.

Zerana
07-10-2015, 10:31 AM
Oh, I really hope these cards don't get retired. That would totally suck since they aren't that easy to get.

Sukirito
07-10-2015, 12:13 PM
Firts Post :

ID = Sukirito

I just try 1 Peronanim + 1 Candy (552 point) = Get R Girl and SR Girl but no N Girl T_T
This Try Again 1 Pero Pudding + 3 Candy (656 point) = Next Edit (I Hope Get N Girl ^^)

Unregistered
07-10-2015, 01:54 PM
Firts Post :

ID = Sukirito

I just try 1 Peronanim + 1 Candy (552 point) = Get R Girl and SR Girl but no N Girl T_T (Got Time 50 min)
This Try Again 1 Pero Pudding + 3 Candy (656 point) = Next Edit (50 min) (I Hope Get N Girl ^^)

- - - Updated - - -

[QUOTE=Unregistered;712][QUOTE=Sukirito;711]Firts Post :

ID = Sukirito

I just try 1 Peronanim + 1 Candy (552 point) = Get R Girl and SR Girl but no N Girl T_T (Got Time 50 min)
This Try Again 1 Pero Pudding + 3 Candy (656 point) = Next Edit (50 min) (I Hope Get N Girl ^^)
= Luckilly i get N Girl at 2.10 AM

Okay This Day I Get All Limit Card on Kurito;s Nest

Zerana
07-10-2015, 08:17 PM
That is very lucky, congrats. ♥

I'm going to try 1 Peronamin + 1 Candy and see what I get. Time is 50 min. I'll edit when it's time.

Attempt 1: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 2: 1 SR Wild Card.
Attempt 3: 1 SR 3 Wild Card + 1 R Wild Card.
Attempt 4: 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 5: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 6: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 7: 1 SR 3 Wild Card + 1 R Wild Card.
Attempt 8: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 9: I got the Normal Card. Unfortunately I already had that one. *sigh*
Attempt 10: Got the Rare Card. ♥ Hopefully I can get the SR card soon.
Attempt 11: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 12: 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 13: 1 SR 3 Wild Card + 1 R Wild Card.

Think I'm going to stop for now, but at least I got the rare card. ♥

ChibiKika
07-11-2015, 05:32 AM
Tried doing triple pudding 3 times in a row, 1:30 wait time gave:
-Peronaminx1 & SR Wild 5
-R Lim Card
-R Lim Card & N Lim Card

(Ironically I'm only looking for the SR Lim Card)

For the sake of laughs (and maybe future rage), I punched in 10 pudding, 2 EX Wild, and 1 Reveal and got back a 4:00 wait time, will update on the results.

-Update: x40 candy, 1 Pero Pudding, 1 Card Reveal.
...yeah, I'm ticked now.

On a different note, looking at the payouts I've gotten and what other people have gotten constantly from the 90m wait time nuts, I'm led to suspect that the prizes aren't a random choice on a list of items possibly repeated but instead a random choice on a list of pre-arranged sets, possibly with varying subsets as well.
So for example, if I were to compile a table of prize payouts for the 90m specifically, it would be something like:

==Kurito Limited Cards==
Up to 2 of the following:
-N Lim Card
-R Lim Card
-S Lim Card
==or==
SR Wild 5 | & chance of | 1x Pero Pudding or 1x Peronamin |
==or==
SR Wild 3 (This may come with the chance of pudding/namin too but it's rarely reported to begin with so I'll consider otherwise)
==or==
1x R Gacha Ticket
==or==
1x Pero Pudding Half
=====
(Excluding Limited Cards, all prizes may come with an extra 20x candy)

If I were to compile this into a list of possibles, you'd be getting 1 random choice from:
=====
-N Lim Card
-N Lim Card & R Lim Card
-N Lim Card & SR Lim Card
-R Lim Card
-R Lim Card & SR Lim Card
-SR Lim Card
-SR Wild 5
-SR Wild 5 & 1x Pero Pudding
-SR Wild 5 & 1x Peronamin
-SR Wild 3
-1x R Gacha Ticket
-1x Pero Pudding half
(Excluding Limited Cards, all prizes may come with an extra 20x candy)
=====

Now chances are I'm missing something or the concept's not quite perfect but I'm more or less compelled to believe this is how it runs.

I also suspect from the occasional variation in times when putting in the same items repeatedly that the system may calculate wait time/prize list from not your donation score itself but a fluctuating number (rng) based on that score, so prizes from a list below or above may show up from time to time and giving the same item combination only ballparks it. Thus, the reason why some people get 2:30 wait times and prizes from the 2:30 list when having donated items that warrant only the 1:30 would be due to that fluctuation. This though is just purely suspicion and I can't think up a cost-efficient way to confirm it, but anyone willing to try that out can take an existing formula that consistently pushes a specific wait time and try punching up the score just enough to see if it affects the statistical chance of bleeding over into the next level of wait time without consistently going into that level itself.

Thus concludes my boring wall of text

Unregistered
07-11-2015, 06:04 AM
That is very lucky, congrats. ♥

I'm going to try 1 Peronamin + 1 Candy and see what I get. Time is 50 min. I'll edit when it's time.

Attempt 1: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 2: 1 SR Wild Card.
Attempt 3: 1 SR 3 Wild Card + 1 R Wild Card.
Attempt 4: 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 5: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 6: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.
Attempt 7: 1 SR 3 Wild Card + 1 R Wild Card.
Attempt 8: 20 candy + 1 SR 3 Wild Card.

Still no lucky -_- Keep Spirit Ok ^^
(Sory my English is bad... (Indo People)

Zerana
07-11-2015, 08:11 AM
Yeah, seems my luck is pretty bad, but I won't give up. :D

Seya
07-11-2015, 10:08 AM
your luck will be bad after you try 50+ times and get no SR, If I were you I wouldn't even waste resources took me forever to get it lol maybe 100+ tries of 0.50 and 1.30

Danex
07-11-2015, 10:46 AM
I'll stick to 1 Peronamin + 1 or 2 R gachas for now, since the SR 3 Wild cards are still handy for leveling the free SR event card and get some extra slayer bonus.

Hope to get that damn limmed SR, though now I realize that I was quite lucky for receiving the limmed N when I first tried to donate stuff to Kurito.

DX91
07-11-2015, 03:58 PM
10 R gatcha + 2 peronamin > 3:30 hours > 2 pero pudding + 2 card reveal


No SR card, little disappointing lol

Used at least 30-35 R gatcha till now, but no luck :3

ChibiKika
07-11-2015, 04:22 PM
After brute forcing triple Pero Puddings on her over 15 times, I got the SR Limited from a 2:30 wait.

Now back to single-feeding pudding and R-Gachas for my other SR's.

Side note, for 90 minute wait prizes, the Pero Pudding Half may come with a Pero Pudding (whole) as well.

Kotono
07-11-2015, 08:14 PM
Oho, gave her a R gacha and for the first time I got a 1.5 hour wait time.

Gave me an SR Wild 5 + Pero Pudding. Not bad at all!

Zerana
07-11-2015, 11:50 PM
Well, my only worry is that we might not be able to get them again in the future. Hopefully they will either stay around for a while or come back soon.

Unregistered
07-12-2015, 12:20 AM
After brute forcing triple Pero Puddings on her over 15 times, I got the SR Limited from a 2:30 wait.

Now back to single-feeding pudding and R-Gachas for my other SR's.

Side note, for 90 minute wait prizes, the Pero Pudding Half may come with a Pero Pudding (whole) as well.

extremely lucky there, did way more tripple puddings without any luck and came to conclusion that feeding tripple puddings does not give you limited SR lol

Zeel
07-12-2015, 03:03 AM
While trying to get that N limited which i have still yet to get i gathered 412 Candy (the uneven number is 'cause i feed few dozens to Kurito before i got to know they were needed for event)

Nobody got a date for when they leave, right ? and if it's perm ?

Zerana
07-12-2015, 05:08 AM
Wow, I just got totally lucky tonight. I used 2 rare tickets and a pudding for a time of 1:30 and I finally got the SR. ♥

Persistence always pays off....eventually.

XionSteel
07-12-2015, 01:13 PM
Not sure if they changed the ranges for return gifts or whether i have just been stupid lucky in the past few goes, but i did two runs of just putting in a single R-gacha ticket and got:
1st) x1 Card Reveal
2nd) Limited SR

time was 00:50:00, as per usual.

lostdgod
07-12-2015, 06:29 PM
My latest attempts:

Pero Pudding x2, Peronamin x1, R Wild Card x1, N Wild Card x1
Time: 2h
Reward: Glasses x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x4
Time: 1.5h
Reward: SR Wild Card 5 x1, Pero Pudding x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x5, Pero Pudding HALF x2, SR Wild Card 1 x1, N Gatcha Ticket x1
Time: 2h
Reward: (R) Urumi Aiba x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Pero Pudding HALF x5, Peronamin HALF x4, Pero Pudding x2
Time: 1.5h
Reward: Candy x20, SR Wild Card 5 x1, Peronamin x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x3
Time: 1.5h
Reward: Pero Pudding HALF x1, Pero Pudding x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x2
Time: 1h
Reward: Pero Pudding HALF x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x1, Peronamin HALF x2
Time: 50min
Reward: SR Wild Card 3 x1
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Peronamin x1, Peronamin HALF x2
Time: 50min
Reward: SR Wild Card 3 x1

Tenhou
07-13-2015, 10:15 AM
Got 8 card reveals from that event, now i'm unsure how to use them. Used 1 + a R gacha ticket at first, but if i don't get the limited SR from that i am unsure how to proceed.

Should i use them 1 and 1 with an R gacha/peronamin or should i try to burn them all for a better chance?

Danex
07-13-2015, 10:54 AM
I may be quite wrong on this, but I think you should try many attempts instead of a single big one.

Based on Chibikika's experience spending lots of Pero puddings at the same time, it was needed a lot of luck to get the limmed SR.
From what has been posted at the moment, there's a chance for really poor rewards in exchange of a big donation, but I don't know the limmed SR success rate for donations as big as 8 card reveals.

I'd like to wait and read more opinions, I'm in a very similar situation like you are, having extra card reveals and looking forward to get that damn limmed SR

YoshiEnVerde
07-13-2015, 02:09 PM
After three days of always getting "[0:50] 1x SR WC 3 + 10xCandy" every time I gave Kurito my daily R Gacha Ticket, I just got "[1:30] Urumi Aiba + Aoe Sugai" for the same R Gacha Ticket

Zall
07-14-2015, 02:02 AM
Just gave Kurito peronamin half and after 0:20 i got limited R. Awesome.

Opalia24
07-14-2015, 04:17 AM
32 times 1:30 (fx 3*R-acha or 3*Puding or 3* Pero or 3*radar or 1* Reveal 1 * R.Gacha)

Rewards:
2 * SR-Girl
1 * R-Girl
1 * N.Girl
80 * Candy
10 * SR-Wild5
10 * Peromin
7 * R-Gacha
4 * Glases
4 * Radar
9 * Pudding
4 * Pudding half

Donated 200+ R-Gacha one at a time - 0 SR-Girl so far but around 20 R-Girls.

So 96 R-gacha gave 2 SR-Girls (when using 3 each time) while 200 R-gacha gave 0 SR-Girls (when using 1 each time)

Tenhou
07-14-2015, 03:04 PM
Used up all my card reveals, R gacha tickets and peronamins now. Still no damn limited SR card. Fucking squirrel. I guess it's back to waiting for 3 R tickets now then, sigh. Got a fair few wild cards out of it, so i guess it is not a total loss, still annoying.

Opalia24
07-14-2015, 04:03 PM
Only maneged to get limmed SR-girl on account I use for collecting data so I know how you feel is so fustrating. Chance to get SR-girl is only like 4 % or with 3 R-Gacha. Players who are not lucky could use 100s of tries to get the SR-girl...
I wish there was a more reliable way to get SR-girl.

xero
07-14-2015, 07:43 PM
Still don't have the SR-girl myself, I've been throwing 3 R-Gacha at it every time I've had enough. Squirrel won't make with the N-girl for me either. Plenty of R-girls though, 8 times I believe. I was paying some attention to how much "value" I was losing on each contribution to her, stopped recording it because I just don't have the time. It seemed normal to get about 40-50% of what was wagered back at most of the breakpoints I spent any significant amount of resources on. The only point where it isn't really a guaranteed loss is when handing her single pieces of candy, which can yields N-cards or N-gacha for 1k, which is competitive with the store price for those things.

chillinfar
07-15-2015, 04:01 AM
4 Rare gacha tickets -&gt; 2 Peronamin +1 half peronamin. Not so bad, at least while i can't charge cash. <br />
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Off-topic: f*** my keyboard, incomplete nickname <br />
<br />
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<br />
Double post <br />
...

XionSteel
07-15-2015, 05:22 AM
Still don't have the SR-girl myself, I've been throwing 3 R-Gacha at it every time I've had enough. Squirrel won't make with the N-girl for me either. Plenty of R-girls though, 8 times I believe. I was paying some attention to how much "value" I was losing on each contribution to her, stopped recording it because I just don't have the time. It seemed normal to get about 40-50% of what was wagered back at most of the breakpoints I spent any significant amount of resources on. The only point where it isn't really a guaranteed loss is when handing her single pieces of candy, which can yields N-cards or N-gacha for 1k, which is competitive with the store price for those things.

just keep trying, and throw only 1 R Gacha ticket at a time, eventually you'll get the 1:30 timer, which usually leads to the Limited N, and/or R, and/or SR drop. imo its probably less likely to happen then throwing in x3 puddings/Peronamins, buts its definitely a lot cheaper (and worst case you'll get a wild card 3 or 5 instead which is still better then a R gacha).

Opalia24
07-15-2015, 06:01 AM
I donated 200+ R-Gacha/pudding/peromin/glaases one at a time ZERO SR-Girls so far.

Donating 3*R-Cacha very often give a R-Gacha/pudding/peromin/glaases that can be donated so cost is more like 2*R-Gacha than 3.

Using 3*R-Gacha each time have costed me 200 R-Gacha/pudding/peromin/glaases too but it gave me SR-Girls times.
So it costed me on average 50 R-Gacha to per limmed SR-girl.
Too bad all 4 went to my testing accounts I dont really use.:)
I made some account to test how to best get the limmed girls.

Grimnm
07-16-2015, 03:00 PM
eh.....just donated an R-Gacha Ticket but....got a 2hr wait time... any comments on that?

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Zerana
07-16-2015, 03:09 PM
If you only donated 1 rare ticket then I think you will be getting something good with that wait time.

At the very least you will get more items than you normally would with only 1 ticket.

ShadowMiku
07-17-2015, 04:08 AM
eh.....just donated an R-Gacha Ticket but....got a 2hr wait time... any comments on that?

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I honestly dislike when people comment on questions, stating that they got the same thing instead of coming up with an answer. I'll be one of those people/a hypocrite just this once.

What's weird is I donated an R-Gacha ticket on my ShadowAlice account, and I was on the page for a good 5 minutes which showed 50 minutes, then I had to refresh the page because I wanted to check on my ShadowMiku account. I come back and I get the same result. Luckily, I'm planning on staying on here for that amount of time so I will edit with results when the time is up.

Is this some kind of glitch/bug? I thought R-Gachas were on average a 50 minute wait time, not a 2 hour time which is worth more materials.

Edit: Peronamin and Peronamin half...

Zerana
07-17-2015, 06:27 AM
I don't think it's a bug. At least I hope that it isn't.

I believe..with absolutely zero proof..that when you get a larger timer like that it means that you will get a 'bonus'. Usually that means some extra items. I've had a timer do that with me once when I donated 2 rare tickets and 1 pudding. It increased my timer from 1:30 to 2:30. I think it's something that happens 0.5% of the time or less since Kurito is all about the 'luck of the draw'. However, since this is such a rare occurrence it becomes very hard to test for.

Opalia24
07-17-2015, 07:04 AM
Donating one R-Gacha normally give waiting time of 50 min (90%+ chance) but you can get longer waiting times if you lucky.
I tried to get waiting time from 1 R-Gacha of:
a) 0.50
b) 1:00
c) 1:30
d) 2:00
e) 2:30
f) 3:00

Players newer get shorter waiting time that 50 min with 1 R-Gacha.

Donating one candy normally give 5 min waiting time but you can be lucky and get fx 1:30 waiting time - Reward in this rare case would be like donating 3x R-Gacha. Chance of get-ting 1:30 waiting time with just 1 candy is probably is less than 1%. A super luck person got a limed R-Girl from just 1 candy. In theory I think you could even get limed SR-Girl with just one candy but chance would be like 1 in 1000000 or less ...

The more you donate the longer waiting time will be guarantied.

The longer waiting time you get the better basket the final reward will be drawn from.

I think this Work as intended.

A players who donate en item worth 550 points and a player who donate an item worth 650 points both are garantied 0:50 waiting time.
Just a theory: Maybe the person who donated 650 gets bigger chance of a longer waiting time = better reward than the person who donated 550 points.

chillinfar
07-17-2015, 11:48 AM
Candy is only for this NPC? Just asking, i have 10

Opalia24
07-17-2015, 12:01 PM
Candy have no real use atm other than to donats and even if you donte it almost worthless - There will be a use in the futue for candy.

In the same place as GHQ just under GHQ there is a sign saying "Relive your memories- Comming soon"
You use candy there to unlock more x-films. I would keep my candy for now if I was you.

Unregistered
07-17-2015, 01:42 PM
Pero Pudding x1 + Peronamin x4 = got 2hr and got limited R card again.

as for the candy i tend to use it 2 ways, 1st is the main use for it i think and that is using it repeatedly 1 at a time to try and get normal wild or gatcha cards, (3rd reward is 5 more candy to help keep u stocked up). but the gatcha card is the only one u can save money on. so 1 in 3 chance of saving 500 pero.

the second use i have for it (and i not even sure if this helps in any way) is that i dump 10 candy in my big orders just to sweeten the deal :)

ChibiKika
07-18-2015, 11:54 AM
I honestly dislike when people comment on questions, stating that they got the same thing instead of coming up with an answer. I'll be one of those people/a hypocrite just this once.

What's weird is I donated an R-Gacha ticket on my ShadowAlice account, and I was on the page for a good 5 minutes which showed 50 minutes, then I had to refresh the page because I wanted to check on my ShadowMiku account. I come back and I get the same result. Luckily, I'm planning on staying on here for that amount of time so I will edit with results when the time is up.

Is this some kind of glitch/bug? I thought R-Gachas were on average a 50 minute wait time, not a 2 hour time which is worth more materials.

Edit: Peronamin and Peronamin half...


I don't think it's a bug. At least I hope that it isn't.

I believe..with absolutely zero proof..that when you get a larger timer like that it means that you will get a 'bonus'. Usually that means some extra items. I've had a timer do that with me once when I donated 2 rare tickets and 1 pudding. It increased my timer from 1:30 to 2:30. I think it's something that happens 0.5% of the time or less since Kurito is all about the 'luck of the draw'. However, since this is such a rare occurrence it becomes very hard to test for.

Though I have no presentable basis for it, it's not a glitch/bug. The same way your Kurito prize varies, the number/score that determines your wait time from Kurito isn't fixed and it fluctuates, from what I've seen only above what your original score presents but never below. The higher or more far out the fluctuation is, the longer the wait time and though it doesn't give you more prizes or higher monetary value ones, by putting you in a longer wait time the prize comes from that wait time tier as well.

Thus occasionally offering a 0:50 donation which usually leads to a 0:50 wait time may instead fluctuate and trigger a 1:30 wait time, sometimes even a 2:00. It's not going to be guaranteed to give you a better prize, just that the prize will instead be coming from the 1:30/2:00 wait time prize list instead (which may be better, may be worse depending on how you value it personally).

The same goes for other donation types. 1:30 donations may result in 2:30 wait times (I got the SR Lim this way) and I'm fairly sure 2:00/2:30 donations can push for 3:00/4:00 wait times depending on luck/circumstance.

YoshiEnVerde
07-18-2015, 01:11 PM
I just spent 10 candies, got a 5 minute wait, and recieved an Elixir and a Sexual Drink.
The next 10 candies got the same time, but only the standard N-WC as reward.
I'm now testing with only 5 candies

Unregistered
07-18-2015, 08:40 PM
4 pero pudding
9 r cards
3 pero glasses
10 candys
=
4 hrs (10100 pnts spent to get gold)
rewards
50 candy
pero pudding
card reveal

chillinfar
07-19-2015, 04:41 PM
3 R Gacha tickets + half Pero pudding -> SR wild card 5 + 1 Pero Pudding (but no boss to hit for now :S)

ilesliex3
07-19-2015, 10:10 PM
1Card Reveal
2Pero Pudding
1Peronamin
2hour wait

and the wait begins

edit;sad, R card

ChibiKika
07-20-2015, 01:31 AM
The same way your Kurito prize varies, the number/score that determines your wait time from Kurito isn't fixed and it fluctuates, from what I've seen only above what your original score presents but never below.

I stand self-corrected. My usual hourly tribute of 1 pudding to Kurito spat out a 40min wait time instead of the usual 50min. Apparently, your donation score can fluctuate under its expected value (unless pudding is supposed to actually deliver a 40min wait time and I've been lucky the last 25 times).

...so I just got a look at the Wikia Page (http://peropero.wikia.com/wiki/Kurito%27s_Nest) (occurs to me that I have to set back my zoom to 75% to see what the wiki devs are trying to do with the page formatting), and...I am...irritated. Call me OCD or unnecessarily devoted but now I feel a need to rework everything...

If anyone has problems with me remaking the page to my understanding of Kurito's nest, OBJECT NOW, because once I start...you know the rest.

Unregistered
07-20-2015, 02:24 AM
10 candy + 4 n wildcards= 10 min

1st try- elixer
2nd try- 5 candy
3rd - sexual energy drink
4th- limited R

Skulkraken
07-20-2015, 10:45 AM
1 R Gacha + 10 N Gacha + 10 Candy + 10 N Wild Card = 50 min wait time.
edit: Received 20 Candy + SR Wild Card 3

Tenhou
07-20-2015, 11:38 AM
If anyone has problems with me remaking the page to my understanding of Kurito's nest, OBJECT NOW, because once I start...you know the rest.

Did you already edit it? Because it looks pretty good now in my opinion.

ChibiKika
07-20-2015, 12:32 PM
Did you already edit it? Because it looks pretty good now in my opinion.

Only reformatted the tables, added some new parameters to consider, categorized everything, and tossed in a starting intro. Still alot of work to be done but it's a step-by-step kind of thing.

I edit wiki pages by source code now though so the process probably takes alot longer than it does for others, tradeoff being that I have more control over the page itself. Nonetheless, means the actual data regarding prizes will take a very long time to update, more so since alot of the higher-tier potential prizes remain incomplete from lack of data. I will need entries on those eventually but until someone willing has the money to try working on tiers requesting more data, they will have to remain blank.

Tenhou
07-20-2015, 01:49 PM
Only reformatted the tables, added some new parameters to consider, categorized everything, and tossed in a starting intro. Still alot of work to be done but it's a step-by-step kind of thing.

I edit wiki pages by source code now though so the process probably takes alot longer than it does for others, tradeoff being that I have more control over the page itself. Nonetheless, means the actual data regarding prizes will take a very long time to update, more so since alot of the higher-tier potential prizes remain incomplete from lack of data. I will need entries on those eventually but until someone willing has the money to try working on tiers requesting more data, they will have to remain blank.

I added a comment about Kurito, might be worth adding to the trivia.

Sad that the pun is lost, though.

Edit:
2:30 hours wait time, let's hope i get something good!

Edit2:
Nope, nothing useful. Stupid squirrel...

Xanthius
07-20-2015, 08:37 PM
2 Peronamin
2 Half Peronamin
1 R Gacha
10 Candies

1:30 wait time - Aoe Sugai! Freaking finally :D

Has anyone else noticed a correlation between the nut shape and getting a card? I've gotten Urumi Aiba 9 times and now Aoe and each time it was a card its been the short and wide variety rather than the long kind.

ChibiKika
07-20-2015, 10:25 PM
I added a comment about Kurito, might be worth adding to the trivia.

Sad that the pun is lost, though.

I'll be honest but I'm having trouble following the pun you're trying to intend.

The only addition that I can think up is that adding "squirrel" as a name turns her full name into "clit-less" and maybe it's just me but I'm having trouble seeing the humor in that.

Moreover, I'm still trying to figure out if "Kurito" is her surname (last name) or given name (first name) because if it's in the wrong order, there may be more of a coincidence than a pun. Difficult to figure these things out when you can't look to the original game (in Japanese) for reference.

ilesliex3
07-21-2015, 03:06 AM
uhhhh
1peronamin
2pero pudding
2:30

only took the peronamin....bug?
edit: 30candy, pero glasses, pero radar...... like its still bugged tho.

Tenhou
07-21-2015, 03:25 AM
I'll be honest but I'm having trouble following the pun you're trying to intend.

The only addition that I can think up is that adding "squirrel" as a name turns her full name into "clit-less" and maybe it's just me but I'm having trouble seeing the humor in that.

Moreover, I'm still trying to figure out if "Kurito" is her surname (last name) or given name (first name) because if it's in the wrong order, there may be more of a coincidence than a pun. Difficult to figure these things out when you can't look to the original game (in Japanese) for reference.

The pun in her name comes from that she's a squirrel and her name is Kurito. KuritoRisu happens to be the exact spelling for "Clitoris" in japanese as opposed to just "Clit." It's kind of only half kept when you translate Risu into Squirrel.

Could just be a coincidence, but it IS an eroge so i'd like to believe it isn't :P

Nordland
07-21-2015, 10:27 AM
Has anyone else noticed a correlation between the nut shape and getting a card? I've gotten Urumi Aiba 9 times and now Aoe and each time it was a card its been the short and wide variety rather than the long kind.

We have noticed that there is definite correlation between the color on top of the acorn, but no correlation pertaining to the shape of the acorn. Also, the higher the amount of time you have to wait for your prize, apparently, the better the reward.

I am going to check into it, so we can get a definite answer.

chillinfar
07-21-2015, 10:49 AM
1 Ex Card + 4 R Gacha-> 1 Pero Glasses (how i can use it?) and 2 Pero Radar (the same question).

When i try to put back on nest, bronze button :bad:

Danex
07-21-2015, 11:24 AM
1 Ex Card + 4 R Gacha-> 1 Pero Glasses (how i can use it?) and 2 Pero Radar (the same question).

When i try to put back on nest, bronze button :bad:

Those 2 items are for another kind of event, which is supposed to be launched later.

ChibiKika
07-21-2015, 09:29 PM
We've been sorta tiptoeing around the analysis of this nest for a while so I think I'm gonna chuck a wrench, see if it changes anything.

2 big points I want to bring out and get feedback on. Why do I want feedback? Cuz I'm working on the damn wiki site and I don't want to be embarrassingly wrong.

First off: from the reference examples of others and my own personal experience with Kurito, this is my understanding of the main points of how Kurito's Nest works:



*Regarding Donations:
-You can donate up to 10 of any item, and up to 4 kinds of items, for a total of 40 consumables of 4 different types. (ie 10x R gachas & 10x Pero Puddings & 10x Event Gachas & 10x Card Reveals, can't add another and can't go above 10)
[Efficient Proof of Contradiction is a tribute/donation involving 5 different kinds of items or 11+ of a certain item donated]

-All items have an inherent point value that determines wait time (and by that default, prize). Our knowledge of point value is based on JP wiki and may be inaccurate.

-When donating, confirm button turns from bronze to silver past 1500 pts, to gold past 10k pts, to rainbow past 20k pts. This doesn't determine prize, it just serves as a reference (I say this because 1 Pero Pudding = 650 pts = Bronze Confirm button = Silver Long Nut.



*Regarding Wait Times:
-Wait time usually depends on the point value of the total donation to Kurito

-Wait time may fluctuate above or below its original expected time at random

-Fluctuation of wait time is possibly due to random drop/raise of values down to 1/2 the donation value and up to 2x the donation value (I say this because I have never seen the wait time drop below what 1/2 the donation value would result in, nor have I seen it raise above what 2x the donation value would result in)

-Fluctuation is NOT FIXED, meaning it does not only cut in half or double, but may vary in between. (I say this because 00:50 wait time tributes go up to 1:30 when doubled in value but sometimes result in 1:00 instead, which would be impossible unless it varied)
[Effective Proof of Contradiction would be a wait time that more than doubles its tribute value or more than halves it]
^Above in blue is unproven, I'll put it in the wiki as a suggested plausibility.



*Regarding Prizes: (This is the part I need the most help with)
-Prizes are dependent on wait time
--Wait Time determines prize nut color/shape
[Effective Proof of Contradiction is a different nut color/shape from the same Wait Time]

-ALL Consumable prizes have chance of including Candy
--Possible Candy given is dependent on wait time.
[Effective Proof of Contradiction is a Candy amount that does not line up with its known respective wait time:
*Wait time of 0:05, 0:10, and 0:20 returning more/less than 5 candy (excluding 0)
*Wait time of 0:30 returning more/less than 10 candy (excluding 0)
*Wait time of 0:40 returning more/less than 15 candy (excluding 0)
*Wait time of 0:50, 1:00, and 1:30 returning more/less than 20 candy (excluding 0)
anything beyond that is a bunch of incomplete data]

-Excluding Candy, you ONLY get up to (Missed this earlier, sorry) 2 items in a prize
[Effective Proof of Contradiction is a return that gives more than 2 consumables (excluding candy)]
--Items in the prize are unique to their slots for that prize tier (meaning if you get SR Wild 3 first then R Wild second, you'll never get R wild first or SR Wild 3 second.)
[Effective Proof of Contradiction is a return that has its item order reversed (referencing above, you first see the R Wild (after the candy), and then the SR Wild 3)]
--You NEVER get the 2nd prize alone (meaning if you get SR Wild 3 first then R Wild, you'll never get R Wild alone)
[Effective Proof of Contradiction is a return that contains only the item that is usually included secondary to another item]

-If you can get 1 Lim Girl Card, you can get 'em all (If you find any Lim Girl Card in a certain wait time, you can find ALL Lim Girl Cards in that wait time. That being said, there may be a cut-off point in wait time that you need to get above before you are eligible to get Lim Girl Cards)
[This theory cannot be disproved but is not factual unless data records all Lim Cards of all rarities being collected at all wait time tiers reported]
^Above in blue is unproven, I'll put it in the wiki as a suggested plausibility.


So these are my theories. If you have an objection and/or a piece of data that suggests an inaccuracy, please bring it up and I'll make sure to yank my theory from the model. If you have an idea not shown here that seems to be backed by all the data collected thus far, bring it up too and I'll be happy to add it to the model as well.

Second:

This thread's too jumbled. I want to make a new one solely for holding data towards Kurito's Nest entries. We started off not knowing too much about it but now that some of the program logic makes sense, I think we can draw better, more descriptive data for anyone willing to participate. If no one objects to it in 24 hours, I'll build the thread and start asking for input.

YoshiEnVerde
07-21-2015, 11:00 PM
We've been sorta tiptoeing around the analysis of this nest for a while so I think I'm gonna chuck a wrench, see if it changes anything.

2 big points I want to bring out and get feedback on. Why do I want feedback? Cuz I'm working on the damn wiki site and I don't want to be embarrassingly wrong.

First off: from the reference examples of others and my own personal experience with Kurito, this is my understanding of the main points of how Kurito's Nest works:

[...]

So these are my theories. Anyone who has proof of objection, please do so and fast. Anyone who has an alternate theory, please propose it and fast.

Second:

This thread's too jumbled. I want to make a new one solely for holding data towards Kurito's Nest entries. We started off not knowing too much about it but now that some of the program logic makes sense, I think we can draw better, more descriptive data for anyone willing to participate. If no one objects to it in 24 hours, I'll build the thread and start asking for input.

While I don't have any proof of non-validity for your theories, I must remind you that just because none of us has any such proof right now doesn't mean you have the right to just add your theories into the wiki.
A wiki, as a user-driven source for semi-reliable information, must never accept any data that has no valid source to confirm it. It's one of the main tenets of a good wiki.
Of course, we have a lot of guessing here; and, unless Nutaku makes the algorithms public (which they obviously won't), we'll never have definite provable answers.
However, these statistic experiments do serve to give a general sounding board for ideas on how things work.

Unless you have a better reasoning than I just think this might be the way it works, and look, some of the data validates this, your theories are just that: theories. And, as such, should not be added to any information source (unless the source is about work in progress non-validated theories).


If this comes off as a bit harsh, or conforntational, know that I write this because of your statement of:

[...]Anyone who has an alternate theory, please propose it and fast[...]
As it sounds as if you pretend to add your theories to the wiki if you aren't given proof against them.

If you didn't mean that, then I apologise for the confrontational manner of this post; but I will stand by the things I wrote here.

- - - Updated - - -


We've been sorta tiptoeing around the analysis of this nest for a while so I think I'm gonna chuck a wrench, see if it changes anything.
This thread's too jumbled. I want to make a new one solely for holding data towards Kurito's Nest entries. We started off not knowing too much about it but now that some of the program logic makes sense, I think we can draw better, more descriptive data for anyone willing to participate. If no one objects to it in 24 hours, I'll build the thread and start asking for input.

BTW, on that second point, I agree with you completely. We should have sepparate threads for gathering Kurito data (and tabulating it), and for any theory-crafting on how Kurito's Nest works.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, regarding some of your theories:
You can't get only two items. You can get 1 too.
And you should not be sepparating candies from the other prizes, as if they are some extra tacked in the end, and not part of the prize itself.

- - - Updated - - -

Oh, and my alt account just got Urumi Aiba (R card) and 15 candies in the same reward, so that invalidates another of your points

ChibiKika
07-22-2015, 12:51 AM
YoshiEnVerde

I'll be frank, I sound rushed because I'm impatient by nature and wary of the time passed and the lack of update to the wiki (and lack of update to the chart on this thread itself for that matter). Admittedly a wiki that has partial or inaccurate information can throw off its readers but I prefer that over one that is outright missing information that forces readers to try to make conclusions of their own (as I am currently doing with more success because of your criticism, thank you very much, I am not being sarcastic, it seriously does help).

So yes, I am willing to step on a few dozen landmines for the sake of feedback and results, maybe pass myself off as arrogant so that we can move forward in some way.

The way we draw our conclusions and understandings is from calculating the data and observing possible patterns and stating them as theories, knowing full well that without the publicly revealed algorithms (which you likewise stated wouldn't be made available to us), we will never be able to establish said theories as fact. Said theories are simply shot down when a piece of data comes in that conflicts with it, to which then it's just removed, simple as that.

My point is, I WANT criticism and conflicting data because they help take down any hypothesis I made that was premature while keeping ones that may either be true or close enough to the truth to count for something. Making something off of those still beats the questionable page I walked into in the wiki. If you disagree on that note and think the original was alot better, then let me know and I'll go ahead and reverse EVERYTHING I've done on that page so far.

And yes, I do intend to write up my theories on the wiki with the understanding that at any given time if they are proven untrue, they are subject to modification or removal to be replaced by something closer to the fact if not factual itself. At least from all the wiki sites I've been on, that's how it usually happens.

I'm still gonna propose my ideas. If conflicting data shows up within my view (and I observe alot), I'll go and remove it myself, either replace it with a new theory or leave it an unknown (or if you'd prefer I'll turn all my ideas into "suggested possibilities" and keep it like that for eternity because they'll never evolve beyond that.

And for the sake of this, confrontational is good, it's constructive so long as it's backed by reason, and by reason it has been backed so I'm satisfied.

Now, regarding the theory rejections:




You can't get only two items. You can get 1 too.


I meant to say that you can only get "as many as" 2 items, as in it doesn't extend to 3 or more items (4 if you include the damned candy) in a single Kurito return. Yes, you can also get 1, I've noticed that.

In all the data I've looked over, I have yet to see one Kurito return that involved more than 2 consumable items (excluding candy, yes I am excluding candy, I will explain later)



And you should not be sepparating candies from the other prizes, as if they are some extra tacked in the end, and not part of the prize itself.
I am separating them because from what I've seen in the data so far they don't directly correlate with the prize, only with the wait time (in fact, the candy amounts don't even match up with the nut color/shape, just disproved that myself a few hours ago so I'm yanking that theory). All of (okay, maybe not all but every single one I've seen and recorded) the Kurito returns I've seen for certain tiers involves combinations of items that sometimes have the candy, sometimes do not, and during these times have no other form of alteration to the returns content. While the idea itself isn't going to be fact (because nothing I propose as a theory can be one, I know), I find it to be plausible most of the time...and in fact I'm even proposing likely parameters of data that would reject the theory.

In the candy case, the only rejection I can think of is a Kurito return that has only candy and nothing else. That would suggest that candy can't be just an addition because otherwise there is no intended prize at all. Probably a bunch of other ways to disprove it, I'm open to suggestions and plausible rejections on that front, seriously.



Oh, and my alt account just got Urumi Aiba (R card) and 15 candies in the same reward, so that invalidates another of your points

Noted and accepted, I will yank that theory, even yank the one that says candy correlates with wait time if your kurito return didn't come from the 00:40 wait time (maybe, maybe not, there is still that possibility that limited cards are considered a tier of their own in relation to candy and...alright, I'll yank it if it wasn't 40 minutes).

Truthfully, I only proposed that idea because so far all of my Kurito returns involving limited girl cards didn't have candies attached. Finding Limited Cards in the first place is fairly uncommon so the lack of data made that theory pretty unstable. Nonetheless, good to know that I can scrap that one.

I'll say it again, I'm doing this for the sake of building a model that's at least 85% (random number, I just mean usually passable) accurate about your typical visit to kurito's nest. I'm not looking for perfect, we can't do perfect without Nutaku's cooperation. So the best alternative is more data, conflicting data especially, just more things that close the gaps and remove as many incorrect ideas as possible. I'm open to that, just don't want to see something were we get like no data and no effort to work on anything.

So someone other than me, please start/keep rejecting my ideas and even better, join in on the brainstorming. At least we're getting somewhere.

YoshiEnVerde
07-22-2015, 01:17 AM
Believe me, I'm just as impatient as you imply you are.
But that doe not make your putting personal unproved theories in the wiki a wrong thing to do.

Wikis have blogs and discussion threads for people to post these theories, and then argue about them.
Be warned that the moment you put up a personal theory in the wiki I'll have it taken down (personally if necesary). While your intentions are good, doing this will be worse for players searching for data.
Your assumption that having wrong data is better than not having any data is completely wrong.

Add all the tabulated data to the wiki, as that is proven objective data.
Then add an entrance to your user's blog where you explain your theories, and link to said data.

In the Kurito's Nest page enter some objective and clinical text that explains that there's no proven method to find out the possible rewards, but there's tabulated data that has been built from users' contributions, and then show the tabulated data (The table with the set of "times", "prizes", and "possible costs".
Then explain that the cost value of each item is based on the JP tabulated data, and might not reflect Nutaku's version.

All those are known facts.
Add the part about there being sometimes some drift from the expected times, but there isn't any user consencus on how that works. Then add that until now, all tabulated data has shown that drift to not stray outside the margins you explained in your earlier post.

See? That's just stating pure facts, all objective data, without the need to add any personal theory.
The wiki isn't there to answer all your questions about the universe, but to gather all the player acquired data, and proven facts, for you to read easily, instead of having to reinvent the wheel yourself.

ChibiKika
07-22-2015, 01:28 AM
Unfortunately all the data is scrambled all over this thread, making it hard to find. I'll have to organize/categorize it later...and probably best if I weren't doing that alone as you can already tell how biased I might be in my ideas.

*Head Crack* Okay, scrap plausibility, add/update factual data, insert a place to discuss theory (wait, how do I do THAT?), and constantly point out that the real answers we want to know are out of our reach...okay, I'll get to work.

Kotono
07-22-2015, 01:52 AM
Unfortunately all the data is scrambled all over this thread, making it hard to find. I'll have to organize/categorize it later...and probably best if I weren't doing that alone as you can already tell how biased I might be in my ideas.




What is it you find to be missing from the OP? I get the the poster has not quite got the table 100% up to date, but I hardly find this to be detrimental data to be missing. All it is are potential rewards for certain wait times. We already know all of the potentially available items, so the only questions are what quantities they could be obtained in for any single donation. The rest of the discussion is really just trying to find out minimum and optimal donations. And I think we have already decided that heavy donations are hardly worth the reward, and also that donating a single R gacha ticket is much more valuable than using the ticket to draw with.

If you point out what posts you think should be included in the OP, then I can add them. Or, possibly even better, I can grant you (or anyone else) permission to take over this thread as if it were your own.

ChibiKika
07-22-2015, 02:35 AM
What is it you find to be missing from the OP? I get the the poster has not quite got the table 100% up to date, but I hardly find this to be detrimental data to be missing. All it is are potential rewards for certain wait times. We already know all of the potentially available items, so the only questions are what quantities they could be obtained in for any single donation. The rest of the discussion is really just trying to find out minimum and optimal donations. And I think we have already decided that heavy donations are hardly worth the reward, and also that donating a single R gacha ticket is much more valuable than using the ticket to draw with.

If you point out what posts you think should be included in the OP, then I can add them. Or, possibly even better, I can grant you (or anyone else) permission to take over this thread as if it were your own.

*Headdesk* I didn't mean it like that...and as it is I'm trying to avoid setting off a virtual aneurysm in my mind.

You're right, in terms of basic information that the average player may need, the table more or less has it covered. I'm just lightly bugged that beyond 3 hours wait time is a virtual no man's land in terms of data. I'll brute force that for results when I get the time but while that part of the chart has so much blank, it leaves a sort of...itch...like a painless itch in your eardrum that you just can't reach without popping a vein in your ear...

Admittedly it doesn't help that although I like to think I might be onto something that may reflect the actual programming of the game (on an amateur level I've written source code for basic games so I've seen a few program-based patterns in my experience), I'm being told that because I do not and never will have 100% undeniable evidence to show to the world, I can't put it on my findings that I really want to be out there as a suggestion (and yeah, I know, just put it in a discussion instead of the actual wiki page, problem is I'm still trying to find exactly where that "discussion" option is on the wiki site) Like I said, I'm not blaming anyone...it's just...irritating.

Once again, chart's got quite a few holes, holes like between 2600 points and 2,830 points, 3:30 wait time only having a single number instead of a range (I know, probably only one data plot that ever got recorded, we're missing alot), or Limited N not showing in the 2:00 prizes despite it showing in the tier above and below (and that's usually a hole I'd fill on instinct because programs generally don't leave holes open like that unless blatantly ordered to do so and most of the time they don't but we're not allowed to consider absolute truth a "most of the time" statement)

And from time to time I see people put up the own personal blog guides that, sure, have imperfections and misconceptions, generally an 80-95% accuracy but all that happens is someone points out a mistake and it gets corrected and it just gets closer to accurate and people generally appreciate that over a 100% correct but less than 40% helpful.

...I'm drifting so I'll shorten the note:

Nothing's wrong about the poster, there's just a few things missing from there I'd like to be able to fill in with programmer instinct instead of actual data and devote myself to proving later down the road. That's not going to be allowed though so forget it.

I am not ditching the table on wikia that's based on the OP here though. Alot of the edited data there was based on my last few days of experiments with Kurito that I never got the time to record here.

Kotono
07-22-2015, 03:30 AM
and yeah, I know, just put it in a discussion instead of the actual wiki page, problem is I'm still trying to find exactly where that "discussion" option is on the wiki site

Not to try and ignore everything else you mention, but I do feel the need to point this out.

Yoshi has already said this, and I have said it before somewhere as well. A wiki is not a place for discussions like this. A wiki is the place where you store factual information in a condensed and easy to read format for the benefit of new and/or older players that might need a quick reference check. You are already at the correct place to hold these in depth discussions. That is what forums are best used for. I think you should just store any proven information on the wiki page, and then at the bottom, place a link to threads where extended discussion and theorycrafting happen. Threads where we can attempt to prove or disprove theories. And if proven, can be added to the wiki.

The worst thing we can do is post incorrect information in a place where anyone unfamiliar with the game would mistake it as absolute truth. It's better that we leave blanks in place of theories.

As far as the table's empty wait time sections, I can go back to playing my alt account and see if I can get some of those times filled in. But I'm not going to use those resources on my main account for experimenting.

chillinfar
07-22-2015, 08:49 AM
I can confirm the "no more than 2 items + candy" theory, at least for silver and below..

Last donation gave me Peronamin + SR Wild Card 5 + 20 candy.

Opalia24
07-22-2015, 09:32 AM
My theory is that players can get all reward with just 1 candy if they er Lucky enogth.
So list of reward you get by donating fx 1 R-Gacha become useless unless it have properbilities imo.

The way I think donating Work is that the more points of items you donate the longer waiting time will be garantied. Waiting time can if you are Lucky alwasy be longer but newer shorter that garanti.

Example: If you donat 1 R-Gacha you get a minimum waiting time for 50 min, but if you Lucky you can ge waiting of 1:00, 1:30, 2:00, 2:30 and 3:00.
Most likely also even longer waiting times but I have not been Lucky enogth to get them myself. Each waithing time have a basket with rewards and proberbilities of each reward.


With 1* R-Gacha or 1* Pudding or 1* paronamin I got (waithing time normaly 50 mins):

35 times I got: SR Wild3
28 times I got: SR Wild3 + R Wild
25 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3
10 times I got: 15 candy + SR wild1 + paronamin half
8 times I got: pudding half
8 times I got: R-Girl
5 times I got: paronamin half
3 times I got: SR Wild1
2 times I got: 15 candy + R Girl
2 times I got: N-Girl
2 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3 + pudding half
1 times I got: R-Girl + N Girl

I think this drops relates to waiting times longer tha 50 min:

1 times I got: SR-Wild5 + pudding
1 times I got: Peromin half + Peromin (2:00)
1 times I got: 20 candy + R Gacha
1 times I got: 20 candy + Sr-Wild 3 + perona half
1 times I got: SR-Wild5 + Perom
1 times I got: 20 candy + SR-Wild5 + Perom

Total 135 drops of which 6?? is from longer waiting times.

It is posible to get both 15 and 20 candy with 50 min waiting time.
SR-Wild 3 dont come with 15 candy.
Drops that dont give a SR-Wild3 dont give 20 candy.
If you get a R-Wild you alwasy get a SR-Wild3 too.

SR-wild 5 relates to 1:30 waiting times I think.

YoshiEnVerde
07-22-2015, 10:03 AM
I can confirm the "no more than 2 items + candy" theory, at least for silver and below..

Last donation gave me Peronamin + SR Wild Card 5 + 20 candy.

The main reason I don't like the candy is just tacked onto the reward theory is that we just don't know how this works, so we can't really say that's how it happens.
The algorithm could have so many different ways it was implemented that we just can't know that.
For example:

A basic table of pairs (PointGain, ConsumedItem)
A basic table of pairs (MinPoints, RewardGrade)
Another table of tuples (RewardGrade, DelayTimeInSeconds, {ListOfValidRewards}, MinRewardPoints, MaxRewardPoints)
A basic table of pairs (PointCost, RewardItem)

Then Kurito-chan:

Calculates your donation based on the first table
Fetches the reward grade based on the donation points
Checks if she might alter the grade with RNG (Say, roll 16+ in a 1d20)
If grade alteration is go, adds an extra to the grade (-50%,+50%) based on pure RNG (For all programmers out there: (grade * (rngCalc() - 0.5)))
Fetches the delay time and list of valid rewards based on the final grade
Build the reward:

Randomly add an item, from the list of valid rewards, to the reward-
Check if the reward point value (points fetched from the 4th table) is above the minimum needed.
If reward points are lacking, repeat from the first step. Only do this once.
Apply magic formulae to the difference between MaxRewardPoints and CurrentRewardPoints to calculate how many candes to add.

Register the reward, and return the delay time.


Of course, that's a ridiculous amount of work for such a functionality.
First of all, it's most probable that whatever we donate will only be used for calculating the reward grade, which will yield the delay time only.
Then, once the time period is over, and we click on the RECIEVE button, only then the server will build a reward based on the grade/delay time.
That would mean that, if a hypothetical grade of 6 were to be between 2k and 5k donation points, we'd get the same possible rewards no matter if we gave 2001pts in donations, or 4999pts.

Also, based on optimized algorithms for this kind of thing, the most probable way this works is:

Calucale the reward grade in only one line of code (and two nested SQL queries):

fetchRewardGradeFromDataServer(ListOfDonationItems ){

Connection = ConnectToDataServer;
QUeryResult = Connection.ExecuteSQLQueryforRewardGrade(ListOfDon ationItems, RNG.getRngFactor);
Numeric grade = QueryResult.getRewardGrade;
Numeric delay = QueryResult.getDelayTime;
}

While the SQL code would look something like:

SELECT reward_grade, delay_time
FROM reward_grade_table,

(SELECT SUM(item_value) donation_value
FROM LOOP list_of_donation_items

(SELECT item_value
FROM donation_items_table
WHERE item_name = donation_item_name))
WHERE grade_min_value <= (donation_value + rng_factor)
AND grade_max_value >= (donation_value + rng_factor)

After that, once the time is over and we click on the recieve button,
we'd send the reward grade to the server, and it would:
[LIST=1]
Get a random number from RNG
Ask the Data Server for the rewards for a certain grade and a certain random index
Return the rewards to us

Once again, such a thing could be done with a simple piece of code and an even simpler SQL query to a table of tuples (reward_grade, random_offset, list_of_reward_items).


No, I'm not even saying that's how it works. I'm just showing that there are many possibilities we can cook up in our brains, and none of them might even be close to the real thing. As such, we can bandy around theories for how it works internally, but the facts we must present are the tabulated data we gather, and any statistical conclusion we can reach from those alone.

Anything else is just deriving some fun from trying to understand how it might work.
This is just like my work on the flash code to check if chance time and gacha rewards were calculated pre-choice or post-choice.

Skulkraken
07-22-2015, 11:25 AM
Put in 1 R-Gacha ticket, got a 1:30 wait time.

Edit: Received the Limited R card.

ChibiKika
07-22-2015, 11:44 AM
Yeah, I'm just gonna...go make that other thread.

There are...so many things regarding the "lack of understanding" notes that are being put up here that I want to mouth off about but seeing as I don't have my own documented data to try to push towards a point, I can recognize that most of my arguments here are pretty weak.

And yeah, I'll just go out and say it, that after careful thought, I think the reports of the data we've collected may have been missing a bit of detail that I would have otherwise wanted to use towards a few of my observations-turned-theories. They're still accurate, just missing the extra "umph" to allows space for conjectures.

You still want to disagree, fine. I still want to pursue that idea (not on the wiki, of course) until I'm convinced it's untrue. And maybe if I can show the pattern a bit more clearly it'll seem at least more convincing than me loading everything into an idea shotgun and firing it at random for everyone to bash on.

VirginPrince
07-22-2015, 03:24 PM
Hey guys, sorry for not keeping up so well with all the posting. This thread took off way more than I ever thought it would.

It's great that so many of you have come out and posted results, but now it's getting to where I need a little bit of assistance from you all.
All I really need is to know what rewards are NOT already in the table. If you get something not mentioned, then please post it. Now, this doesn't mean you shouldn't post all results you get. I'm not against that, but I still would need you to help me notice which items are new. If they can just be bolded or underlined or.. SOMETHING that lets me know it is new without having to double check every single item that I'm not 100% sure I've already taken a record of, that would be awesome.

Thanks!

(I think I have it updated with anything new. I may have missed a few thing, so not 100% sure.)

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So, I did two 4 hour tests, although I was actually aiming to try and get 4:30, but oh well.

First gave Pero Pudding x2 + Card Reveal x2
Second gave the SR

Interesting thing to note here is that the reward did NOT say it was x2 of either one. It simply showed me a Pero Pudding and a Card Reveal. I only know it gave me x2 of each because I knew how many I should of had, but it was +1 higher in both cases.

Unregistered
07-22-2015, 03:40 PM
Just a small error in your first post. You write in the table

"Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1 2,830 - 3,250 2:00 Limited R, Limited SR, ...."


Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1 = 2 * 650 + 550 = 1850 points = 1:30 hour and not 2:00

Replace "Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1" with "Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x3"

Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x3 = 2950 = 2:00 hours.

VirginPrince
07-22-2015, 03:47 PM
The points are not 100% accurate because the wait time can vary even for the same donation given. That donation was set at 2:00 because someone stated they gave that and got a 2:00 wait time. For me, this was on page 3 first post.


Dropped in 2 Pero Puddings, 1xPeronamin for silver button, 2 hour timer which gave a card reveal.

I will see about testing this donation a few times and see what the timers come out to be. Or if someone can help me with that since I don't have any of either item left right now.

chillinfar
07-22-2015, 04:22 PM
The main reason I don't like the candy is just tacked onto the reward theory is that we just don't know how this works, so we can't really say that's how it happens.
The algorithm could have so many different ways it was implemented that we just can't know that.
For example:

A basic table of pairs (PointGain, ConsumedItem)
A basic table of pairs (MinPoints, RewardGrade)
Another table of tuples (RewardGrade, DelayTimeInSeconds, {ListOfValidRewards}, MinRewardPoints, MaxRewardPoints)
A basic table of pairs (PointCost, RewardItem)

Then Kurito-chan:

Calculates your donation based on the first table
Fetches the reward grade based on the donation points
Checks if she might alter the grade with RNG (Say, roll 16+ in a 1d20)
If grade alteration is go, adds an extra to the grade (-50%,+50%) based on pure RNG (For all programmers out there: (grade * (rngCalc() - 0.5)))
Fetches the delay time and list of valid rewards based on the final grade
Build the reward:

Randomly add an item, from the list of valid rewards, to the reward-
Check if the reward point value (points fetched from the 4th table) is above the minimum needed.
If reward points are lacking, repeat from the first step. Only do this once.
Apply magic formulae to the difference between MaxRewardPoints and CurrentRewardPoints to calculate how many candes to add.

Register the reward, and return the delay time.


Of course, that's a ridiculous amount of work for such a functionality.
First of all, it's most probable that whatever we donate will only be used for calculating the reward grade, which will yield the delay time only.
Then, once the time period is over, and we click on the RECIEVE button, only then the server will build a reward based on the grade/delay time.
That would mean that, if a hypothetical grade of 6 were to be between 2k and 5k donation points, we'd get the same possible rewards no matter if we gave 2001pts in donations, or 4999pts.

Also, based on optimized algorithms for this kind of thing, the most probable way this works is:

Calucale the reward grade in only one line of code (and two nested SQL queries):

fetchRewardGradeFromDataServer(ListOfDonationItems ){

Connection = ConnectToDataServer;
QUeryResult = Connection.ExecuteSQLQueryforRewardGrade(ListOfDon ationItems, RNG.getRngFactor);
Numeric grade = QueryResult.getRewardGrade;
Numeric delay = QueryResult.getDelayTime;
}

While the SQL code would look something like:

SELECT reward_grade, delay_time
FROM reward_grade_table,

(SELECT SUM(item_value) donation_value
FROM LOOP list_of_donation_items

(SELECT item_value
FROM donation_items_table
WHERE item_name = donation_item_name))
WHERE grade_min_value <= (donation_value + rng_factor)
AND grade_max_value >= (donation_value + rng_factor)

After that, once the time is over and we click on the recieve button,
we'd send the reward grade to the server, and it would:
[LIST=1]
Get a random number from RNG
Ask the Data Server for the rewards for a certain grade and a certain random index
Return the rewards to us

Once again, such a thing could be done with a simple piece of code and an even simpler SQL query to a table of tuples (reward_grade, random_offset, list_of_reward_items).


No, I'm not even saying that's how it works. I'm just showing that there are many possibilities we can cook up in our brains, and none of them might even be close to the real thing. As such, we can bandy around theories for how it works internally, but the facts we must present are the tabulated data we gather, and any statistical conclusion we can reach from those alone.

Anything else is just deriving some fun from trying to understand how it might work.
This is just like my work on the flash code to check if chance time and gacha rewards were calculated pre-choice or post-choice.

Candy is like a trash reward, you put only candy and you got pink items or more candy. Drops just confirmed it, nothing beyond that.

However, is possible to farm candy dropping 1-2 and rolling, because the min amount of candy dropped by nest is 5 (i did it 5 times and i noticed that).

And about upgraded nests, is like gacha when you got a r card after picking a lvl 100 n card, a rare chance (i got only one after 95-100 picks with that feature, ignoring failed picks).

ChibiKika
07-22-2015, 05:20 PM
Still debating between making a new thread for data or just sticking to this one...frankly I'm already at the edge of ragequit cliff about this because my paranoia's kicking in really hard.

Some of the prizes I'm seeing on the chart don't seem to line up with the patterns their respective tiers usually award. I could only go about starting to question it publicly after hitting that tier (monitoring the wait time especially) at least 50 times but part of me wants to consider the possibility that some of the past data may have failed to confirm the wait time and that the prizes received actually come from a different wait time and are being misreported (to begin with, the theory that prize chance is completely dependent on wait time is debatable in itself but without that, we have no theory to work with at all)

Anyways, setting aside the being subject to criticism, here are a few things to add to the data. Relevant new stuff is Bold/Underline/Blue:

(This is how I plan to present my data, I would like if others presented it in a similar fashion but I'm not gonna go crazy about it)
-Tribute: 2x Pero Pudding Half
--Est Value: 260 (Calculated value based on table 1)
--Est Tier: 00:30 (Expected wait time based on table 3)
---Resulting Tier: 00:30 (Actual wait time generated, variation suggests either an exception or conflicting data entry)
---Nut Type: Fat Bronze (Nut type that Kurito picks/grabs)
---Candy: 10 (For me candy has always been displayed first if included at all. I want to test a theory that it is separate from the prize)
---Prize 1: SR Wild 1 (Prize 1 indicates the first item to show up (after candy if applicable)
(When recorded into the data, there is also ---Prize 2 for any item that is displayed immediately after Prize 1. I want to test a hunch that there may be an order to the prizes given and a reason behind that order)

[Conducted 2x]
-Tribute: Peronamin Half
--Est Value: 130
--Est Tier: 00:20
---Resulting Tier: 00:20
---Nut Type: Fat Bronze
---Candy: 5
---Prize 1: R Wild, Elixir

[Conducted 3x]
-Tribute: 3x Peronamin Half
--Est Value: 390
--Est Tier: 00:40
---Resulting Tier: 00:40
---Nut Type: Fat Bronze
---Candy: 15
---Prize 1: SR Wild 1, Peronamin Half

I plan to Brute Force test the 3:00 wait time tier for the next week and maybe close the point gap from 2.6k-2.83k.

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Gap Close Experiment: 2600-2830
Trial 1:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 5x N Wild Card, 5x N Gacha Ticket, 5x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 30
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 2:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 10x N Wild Card, 5x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 3:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 10x N Wild Card, 5x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 30
---Prize 1: SR Wild 5
---Prize 2: Pero Pudding

Subtrial: (scratching an itch)
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding
--Est Value: 2600
--Est Tier 1:30
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 30
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses
(Um...are we absolutely certain that 2.6k points generates a 1:30 wait time? Either I got lucky or the 1:30 ceiling might actually be lower.)

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Subtrial 2:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding
--Est Value: 2600
--Est Tier: 1:30
---Resulting Tier: 1:30
---Nut Type: Long Silver
---Candy: 20
---Prize 1: SR Wild 5

Subtrial 3:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding
--Est Value: 2600
--Est Tier: 1:30
---Resulting Tier: 1:30
---Nut Type: Long Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: SR Wild 5
---Prize 2: Peronamin
(Okay, nvm, guess 2600 is (or is under) the 1:30 ceiling)

Will continue 2650 trials soon.

VirginPrince
07-22-2015, 05:23 PM
Um...are we absolutely certain that 2.6k points generates a 1:30 wait time? Either I got lucky or the 1:30 ceiling might actually be lower.

No, those are values taken directly from the JP wiki. They are not 100% confirmed values as far as I know.


I could only go about starting to question it publicly after hitting that tier (monitoring the wait time especially) at least 50 times but part of me wants to consider the possibility that some of the past data may have failed to confirm the wait time and that the prizes received actually come from a different wait time and are being misreported

While misreporting is a possibility, I have not added anything to the table in first post without having been given a definitive wait time. Everything I add is based off the time waited and not the points value or the donation itself.

ChibiKika
07-23-2015, 03:03 AM
Yeah, got a look at the JP wiki...surprising how bare it is considering the usual diligence of players for these kinds of games...and now after clicking on few ads I find myself half-wanting a hentai game on my cellphone.

Right, back to Kurito trial testing

On a side note...

What in the name of...actually, I think I've seen this guy in a hentai OVA somewhere...
80
That is TOTALLY NOT A GIRL *puke*

Arekusu
07-23-2015, 03:16 AM
On a side note...

What in the name of...actually, I think I've seen this guy in a hentai OVA somewhere...
80

Dude's got some kind of Pokemon growing out his...oh my.

YoshiEnVerde
07-23-2015, 08:57 AM
Dude's got some kind of Pokemon growing out his...oh my.

The interesting thing is that the guy's extra qualities match the attacker in Mieko Aizawa's card.
I'm hoping that card shows some tentacle hentai scene as it evolves...

Lafate
07-23-2015, 09:29 AM
Just reporting in that I got Limited SR and Limited N from the 10,050 mark.

Tenhou
07-23-2015, 10:19 AM
This game just doesn't want me to get the limited SR...

Tons of triple gacha/peronamin used and even 7EX + 1peronamin, still nothing -_-

Guess i just need to keep farming the hell out of this event.

Unregistered
07-23-2015, 01:47 PM
I put all of those things in and I got:

2 Pero Pudding, 2 R Gacha tickets




That was a HUGE waste.....

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Japan version of this game have been out so long.
What do Japaneese players think is the best (cheapes) way to get the SR-Girl?
Dont they write about this on japanees forums ??

YoshiEnVerde
07-23-2015, 02:13 PM
I put all of those things in and I got:

2 Pero Pudding, 2 R Gacha tickets




That was a HUGE waste.....

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Japan version of this game have been out so long.
What do Japaneese players think is the best (cheapes) way to get the SR-Girl?
Dont they write about this on japanees forums ??

You assume there are some JP forums like this one where everybody works together... instead of just some huge post list in some forgotten corner of 2chan.

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As far as I know, you have three main venues of information in the PPS JP world:

The PPS JP Wiki
The DMM Official COmmunity Board for PPS
The 2chan DMM Mobile Games Board (which contains a few PPS threads)


Of those three, the Wiki is the only one with any type of order and logic. The other two sources are pretty much endless streams of posts where any post could be the start of a new conversation, a reply to a question, a comment on another post, a random posting, a troll bellow, and whatever else you could put in between those... Welcome to the world of JP blogs as a source of info.

Unregistered
07-23-2015, 02:45 PM
i double checked all the values for the materials. it is all accurate.

ChibiKika
07-23-2015, 11:29 PM
Gap Close Experiment: 2600-2830, testing 2,650 points
Trial 4:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 5:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 6:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 3:00 (Possible Exception)
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: (?x) Pero Pudding
---Prize 2: (?x) Peronamin

Trial 7:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses
---Prize 2: 2x PeroPero Radar

Trial 8:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: (?x)Pero Pudding half
---Prize 2: (?x)Pero Pudding

Trial 9:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x Peronamin
---Prize 2: 1x Peronamin Half

Trial 10:
-Tribute: 4x Pero Pudding, 1x R Wild, 10x Coliseum Ticket, 10x Candy
--Est Value: 2650
--Est Tier: ? (1:30-2:00)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x Peronamin
---Prize 2: 1x Peronamin Half

2 Things:

1. I'm fairly convinced at this point that 2650 points is in the 2:00 Tier and that building off that, the 1:30 Tier ceiling is somewhere between 2600 and 2648. In the 10 trials I did, there was one exception that pushed to the 3:00 Tier, all other 9 times being 2:00.

As I don't control (and don't intend to) the table's saying on this, I'm gonna just ask in advance: How many more trials of this score would it take to confirm that 2650 is a 2:00 score and have the table reflect that? I can probably run another 10 trials but after that, it'll be a bit too expensive to keep gathering data about this tier.

(And if you tell me now after I've run 10 trials that you don't intend to change it at all no matter what I do, then...well, I'm going to, among many things, question why you didn't just tell me NOT to run the trials in the first place)

2. Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1 =/= 2:00 Wait time. I have no idea who put that there but 1850 points only nets a 2:00 wait time as an exception, otherwise it usually triggers a 1:30.

VirginPrince
07-24-2015, 12:25 AM
Honestly, some of the table's fields were pre-filled in with data from the JP wiki. However, I just now went and checked to see what those were only to find that the table on their wiki has been completely redone and looks to be very well filled. 栗戸の巣 - ペロペロ催眠wiki ~我が頭髪に1本の髪なし~ (http://peroperosaimin.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E6%A0%97%E6%88%B8%E3%81%AE%E5%B7%A3)
I may just need to replace ours with it, or add it in below. But it looks like they recorded exact donation point values, time, donated items, and then the reward given each on a separate line in the table. And then ordered it by the point value. And of course, some point values are listed multiple times with different wait times.

They don't have a 2650 point recorded, but I think you have already proved enough that the time is 2:00 for about 2650.

ChibiKika
07-24-2015, 01:15 AM
*stares at JP wiki* well, that was certainly NOT there yesterday, talk about serious overhaul

Interesting that on their wiki, ceilings for a specific wait time pass floors for the next wait time, which does open doors to a few ideas regarding the wait time fluctuation Can't be entirely sure what it means at this point but maybe they have their own ideas for why it's like that.

...and after reading up on Kurito's JP name (栗戸) I now have the impression that her nut prizes are chestnuts (at least the round/fat ones are, the long/skinny ones might be acorns)...and that I'm probably VERY slow in realizing this considering there's Chestnut Liquor in the game.

YoshiEnVerde
07-24-2015, 06:11 AM
Honestly, some of the table's fields were pre-filled in with data from the JP wiki. However, I just now went and checked to see what those were only to find that the table on their wiki has been completely redone and looks to be very well filled. 栗戸の巣 - ペロペロ催眠wiki ~我が頭髪に1本の髪なし~ (http://peroperosaimin.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E6%A0%97%E6%88%B8%E3%81%AE%E5%B7%A3)
I may just need to replace ours with it, or add it in below. But it looks like they recorded exact donation point values, time, donated items, and then the reward given each on a separate line in the table. And then ordered it by the point value. And of course, some point values are listed multiple times with different wait times.

They don't have a 2650 point recorded, but I think you have already proved enough that the time is 2:00 for about 2650.

I like how well the data seems to now be tabulated:

List of prize cards, per date
List of donation values, per item
List of delay times, per total donation value, cathegorized by button color
List of potential rewards, plus example donations, per delay time and chestnut color

Opalia24
07-24-2015, 01:15 PM
The more points is donated the longer wating time will be garantied.

I tried to get 1:30 waiting time with just 1 candy. So you can get 1:30 with items worth between 2 to 2000 points.
As players almost alwasy get a waiting time equal the the minium garantied the points when garantied waiting changes that are interesting.

The more points is donated the longer wating time will be garantied but longer waiting time sometimes get longer.
Longer waiting times normaly give other rewards and better rewards than shorther waiting times.

I tried to get 1:30 waiting time with just 1 candy. So you can get 1:30 with items worth between 2 to 2000 points.
As players almost alwasy get a waiting time equal the the minium garantied the points when garantied waiting changes that are interesting.
7
1x R-Gacha garanti 0:50
2x R-Gacha garanti 1:00
3x R-Gacha garanti 1:30
5x R-Gacha garanti 2:00
7x R-Gacha garanti 2:30
10x R-Gacha garanti 3:00

Very few players donate more than that and I can remember anyone who get anything good from donating a lot other than the limmed SR-Girl.
I cant remember getting anything wothwhile for donating less than a R-Gacha.

YoshiEnVerde
07-24-2015, 02:24 PM
Seeing how pretty much every possible reward is found on almost every possible donation value and delay time, I can't help but think this actually works the sme way as the chance time/gacha algorithm:

Generate a random value from 0% to 100%.
Fetch the correct set of (Delay Time, Nut/Color Category) from the table, based on RNG and Donation.
Generate a random value from 0% to 100%.
Fetch the correct set of reward items from the table, based on RNG and (Delay, Nut) set.


The first two are executed when donating, the last two when fetching the rewards.
The bigger the donation size, the higher the chance for bigger (Delay, Nut) sets (Like stepping-up in Chance Time).
The bigger the (Delay, Nut) set, the higher the chance for better rewards.

Opalia24
07-24-2015, 03:19 PM
When you donate items you got you got a cetain minimum waithing time. If you lucky the actural waithing time will be longer.

Each waithing time only have maybe 20? different rewards. Some of there rewards are a lot more rare than others.

Example. Rewards from 0:50 waiting time:

35 times I got: SR Wild3
28 times I got: SR Wild3 + R Wild
25 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3
10 times I got: 15 candy + SR wild1 + paronamin half
8 times I got: pudding half
8 times I got: R-Girl
5 times I got: paronamin half
3 times I got: SR Wild1
2 times I got: 15 candy + R Girl
2 times I got: N-Girl
2 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3 + pudding half
1 times I got: R-Girl + N Girl

The nut you get is also detremined by waiting time. More than one waiting times show same nut as there are more waiting times than nuts.
0:50, 1:00 and 1:30 waithing times all give tall silver nut.
I think 2:00, 2:30,... give 2nd silver nut.

My theory is that even with one candy (2 points) players can with enogth luck get any waiting time and therefore they can get any reward with just one candy.
Chance is proberbly 1: 10000000 to get a SR-girl just from 1 candy so it might not be a good way to obtain SR-girl even if it posible.

0:50 and 1:30 waiting time use same silver nut but the rewards are very diferent (0:50 gives SR-wild3) (1:30 gives SR-Wild5).

YoshiEnVerde
07-24-2015, 03:40 PM
When you donate items you got you got a cetain minimum waithing time. If you lucky the actural waithing time will be longer.

Each waithing time only have maybe 20? different rewards. Some of there rewards are a lot more rare than others.

Example. Rewards from 0:50 waiting time:

35 times I got: SR Wild3
28 times I got: SR Wild3 + R Wild
25 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3
10 times I got: 15 candy + SR wild1 + paronamin half
8 times I got: pudding half
8 times I got: R-Girl
5 times I got: paronamin half
3 times I got: SR Wild1
2 times I got: 15 candy + R Girl
2 times I got: N-Girl
2 times I got: 20 candy + SR-wild 3 + pudding half
1 times I got: R-Girl + N Girl

The nut you get is also detremined by waiting time. More than one waiting times show same nut as there are more waiting times than nuts.
0:50, 1:00 and 1:30 waithing times all give tall silver nut.
I think 2:00, 2:30,... give 2nd silver nut.

My theory is that even with one candy (2 points) players can with enogth luck get any waiting time and therefore they can get any reward with just one candy.
Chance is proberbly 1: 10000000 to get a SR-girl just from 1 candy so it might not be a good way to obtain SR-girl even if it posible.

0:50 and 1:30 waiting time use same silver nut but the rewards are very diferent (0:50 gives SR-wild3) (1:30 gives SR-Wild5).

That's why I have this new idea. After all, in a common chance spin without any step-ups you actually can get an SR in there (it's very hard and depends on too much luck, but there's that 1% chance still).

chillinfar
07-25-2015, 10:10 AM
2 R Gacha + 1 Pero Glasses (to fill silver button) -> 1 Peronamin + 20 candy + Wild Card 5

ChibiKika
07-25-2015, 12:28 PM
Gap Close Experiment: 3,250 to 3,600 - Testing 3,300

Trial 1:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:30
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x Peronamin
---Prize 2: 1x Peronamin Half

Trial 2:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x Peronamin
---Prize 2: 1x Peronamin Half

Trial 3:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 3:00 (exception, disregard point value)
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: Limited N

Trial 4:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 5:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 30
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Results: In 5 trials, I got 3 2:00's, 1 2:30, and 1 3:00. If regarding the 2:30 and the 3:00 as exceptions (3:00 gave a Limited N too), 3.3k points is likely to be in the 2:00 tier.

Admittedly a 5-shot is a weak argument for data. I'll hit it another 5 times to be sure.

After that, I'm gonna take a jump and try for 3,450 next, as it's dead center of the gap.

Note 2: I think I mentioned it before but [Pero Pudding x2 + Peronamin x1] does not get you into the 2:00 wait time unless triggering an exception. A proper example tribute would be [Peronamin x5]

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Trial 6:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:30
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 40
---Prize 1: 2x Pero Pudding

Trial 7:
-Tribute: 6x Peronamin
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:30
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 30
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses
---Prize 2: 2x PeroPero Radar

Trial 8:
-Tribute: 6x PeroPero Glasses
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Trial 9:
-Tribute: 6x PeroPero Glasses
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:30
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: 20
---Prize 1: 1x SR Wild 5
---Prize 2: 1x Peronamin

Trial 10:
-Tribute: 6x PeroPero Glasses
--Est Value: 3300
--Est Tier: ? (2:00-2:30)
---Resulting Tier: 2:00
---Nut Type: Fat Silver
---Candy: none
---Prize 1: 2x PeroPero Glasses

Results: In another 5 trials, I got 3 2:30's and 2 2:00's. Furthermore, I recorded 3 different amounts of candy in the 2:30 wait time (and yes, I put alot of effort into charting the wait time). The very weird bit is that the candy amounts (when given) though inconsistent with the wait times, were at the least consistent with the usual prizes they would be paired with (20 candy and SR5/namin is common in the 1:30 Tier)

Long note short:

3,300 points is a gray area
Wait times do not directly correlate with prize tiers. They usually serve as a good reference though
As shown on JP Wiki, Nut color/shape does not determine prize tier but serves as general reference.
There may be a remote possibility that PeroPero Glasses have a slightly lower value than Peronamin, but it is doubtful and difficult to prove.



Stranger is that with all that being said, all the inconsistencies were in the 2:30 wait time only. All my prizes in the 2:00 wait time were pretty much the usual, either a 2x Glasses or 2x namin with 1x namin half

I'm...honestly not sure what to make of this data right now...gonna sit on it for a bit before I figure my next course of action.

ShadowMiku
07-25-2015, 01:33 PM
My theory is that even with one candy (2 points) players can with enogth luck get any waiting time and therefore they can get any reward with just one candy.
Chance is proberbly 1: 10000000 to get a SR-girl just from 1 candy so it might not be a good way to obtain SR-girl even if it posible.

This theory seems interesting, if this is true (Obviously it seems far-fetched on paper by the looks of it, I mean getting a SR-Wild 1 for a Candy is insanely lucky due to the trade off) Candy can have more use then just using it as a way to get N Wilds to level up cards not seen in the gachas. Then again, using a Candy for 1,000 Pero to get pretty bad rewards to test this seems like a bad idea as well. You're pretty much using your Pero as a gamble for lots of N-gachas and N-wilds in hopes to prove that Candy has some use (My question and point) and that timers don't correlate with prizes from how you stated this theory. Only problem with testing this is Pero, since you can resupply one candy for 5 if you're lucky but you'd have to do missions, get lots of Pero slots, and stock up on Pero from the coliseum event.

I'm obviously not saying to test this, or of any sort that is close to that. Who knows if someone out there does try this out and somehow gets a different reward then what's listed, then maybe Candy can be something worth getting. My whole point, and I'm glad this theory was thought up, was that maybe Candy can be useful AND be more evidence to the whole "timers don't correlate with prizes, they should just be used as a reference" thought. I hope it would because to this day, I still use the timers as a way to predict what prizes I'll get, and trying out some gold combos, I got less then what was listed on the table for gold. lol. I just thought about how cool this would be after seeing it and thinking about it for a bit. Even if it was random and harder to get good rewards with, to use Candy and luck to get some pretty decent rewards seems interesting. I have 125 candy right now, and I have LOTS of cards that I need to level up. Imagine getting R Wilds for x amount of Candy. I don't know how common/easy it is to get Candy, but it just seems interesting to me.

Again, might be a bit too far-fetched, but to prove the points and trials, seems a little worth it to try.

ilesliex3
07-25-2015, 08:28 PM
So then what is the best way to get an Limit SR card? Keep tossing 500points and wait 50min?

chillinfar
07-25-2015, 08:40 PM
R Gachas. You can pick 1 per day from quests (chance time roll), 2 on current event.

P.S: R gachas has a bad rate if you use them. Their price should be cut.

Kuremisago
07-25-2015, 08:48 PM
Peronamin + Pudding

1:30 SR5, pudding
1:00 Candy 20, WC3, halfpuddi
2:30 Chise

Lim SR confirmed for Peronamin+Pudding combo

Unregistered
07-25-2015, 08:59 PM
give away 1 R gacha ticket + 10 candies, wait time: 1h30

what i got: 1 R gacha ticket =.=

Tenhou
07-26-2015, 05:52 AM
Put in enough for a gold button, got a card reveal and pero pudding -_-

chillinfar
07-26-2015, 01:00 PM
crap. 3 R Gacha-> the same R card. Isn't like coliseum gacha, where you can pick cards just once.

Tenhou
07-27-2015, 10:00 AM
Finally! Got Chise Hosokawa! Had deposited a R gacha ticket and two peronamins and was in a hurry thinking "yes yes just give me that damn ticket/pudding so i can feed you something more."

Time to save up for whenever the next one happens i guess :D

Skulkraken
07-27-2015, 10:05 AM
Put in an R gacha, 10 N gachas, and 10 candies >> Got N Limited from a 50 minute wait time

YoshiEnVerde
07-27-2015, 10:44 AM
Finally! Got Chise Hosokawa! Had deposited a R gacha ticket and two peronamins and was in a hurry thinking "yes yes just give me that damn ticket/pudding so i can feed you something more."

Time to save up for whenever the next one happens i guess :D

In the DMM (The JP provider) version, the first rotation of Kurito's cards happened after a few months (3 or 4, can't remember exactly). After that, the rotation happens every two months or so.
Also, cards seem to rotate back into Kurito's Nest every year or so

Lenneth
07-27-2015, 04:20 PM
2 peronamin , 2 peronamin half , 1 glasses , 1 radar . 1:30 time . --- 20 candys , SRW5 , 1 peronamin .

Hentai Prince
07-27-2015, 06:17 PM
After days of feeding (R) Gacha Tickets/Pero Pudding/Peronamin and Candies. Today it finally paid off. I know a lot of people been having trouble getting her so I do wish you luck. Eventually it will pay off but it is luck base unfortunately since before today all I kept getting was Half - Full Pudding/Wild Cards 1 - 3 - 5/Candies/Half - Full Peronamin/ (N) Aoe Sugai/ (R) Urumi Aiba.

blobz
07-28-2015, 12:51 PM
6x R Gacha, 10x N Gacha, 10x Candies wait time: 2:30
got: 1x Peronamin, Peronamin Half

... i hope you'll die screaming squirrel :/

xero
07-28-2015, 08:10 PM
Got a bit antsy, and decided to just splurge on rainbow.

Spent: 10x R Gacha, 10x Peroanim 9x, Pero Pudding, 2x Card Reveal
Wait time: 5:00
Got: limited SR

Cost a lot, but that's one less thing to worry about.

chillinfar
07-28-2015, 08:27 PM
1 Ex Card +1 R gacha + 10 candies +1 half peronamin -> 2 Pero pudding +1 half pero pudding

time 2:30h

ilesliex3
07-30-2015, 11:39 PM
ima cry if i dont get chise by the end of this month.

xero
08-01-2015, 02:33 PM
Yay! Nabbed the last of the three. Take that green-eye'd terror child!!

Still on the fence with turning things into wild cards, think I'll give her a rest for now. From a purely Kurito points point of view (which probably isn't the most accurate measure of value), trading with her will devalue your inventory. sometimes by as much as 60% depending on what you give her and how much she puts out.

Kotono
08-01-2015, 02:50 PM
If you already have everything you want from her, then I'd just wait until the cards change. That way you can turn the tickets into wild cards while also still having a chance at the newer limited when they come out.

LeoJr
08-01-2015, 06:05 PM
Spent : 10x Peroanim , 10x Pero Pudding , 2x EX Wild Car , 10x Candy
Wait time : 4:30
Got : Limited SR

Finally get after many many many try

xero
08-01-2015, 07:48 PM
If you already have everything you want from her, then I'd just wait until the cards change. That way you can turn the tickets into wild cards while also still having a chance at the newer limited when they come out.

Good point, lets see if my patience is sufficient =)

chillinfar
08-03-2015, 02:15 AM
3 Pero Glasses + 4 Ex Card + 5 R Gacha tickets -> 4h waiting time.

Is that bad?

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Yes, was bad. 2 Peronamin + 1 Card Reveal.

Opalia24
08-03-2015, 03:04 AM
If you hunt for N-Girl players should imo donat one of the following : R-Gacha, Pudding, Peronamin.
Expect to do this 50-100 times before you get the N-Girl.

If you hunt for R-Girl players should imo donat one of the following : R-Gacha, Pudding, Peronamin.
Expect to do this 5-10 times before you get the R-Girl.

If you hunt for SR-Girl players should imo donat 3 of the following : R-Gacha, Pudding or Peronamin.
Expect to do this 50-100 times before you get the SR-Girl.

To get a fulll set of the girls dont be suprised if you have to spend 3-400 of any of the following: R-Gacha, Pudding or Peronamin.
When you got the full set start save R-Gacha, Pudding or Peronamin for when the girls are updated.

ilesliex3
08-03-2015, 06:46 AM
I am dead inside now. Used up all my items and didn't get Chise. Too much Aoe and Urumi.

Danex
08-03-2015, 09:02 AM
Try farming some R-Gacha tickets for a couple of days (via the chance rolls mision), and then go for Kurito plus some other items.
Many people here got the limmed SSR just with silver buttons, and I got mine with a golden button (can't remember the exact materials since I wasn't expecting that to work, lol, but I think it was something like R-tickets + Peronamin + Card reveal and another random item).

Event just using 1 R ticket may work, but from what has been said here, odds are very low, so I wouldn't recommend that. Try R tickets plus something else. :3

Unregistered
08-04-2015, 02:23 AM
Okay guys, I just got the Limited SR and Limited R with just 1 peronamin, thought I should share :)

EvilAngel
08-04-2015, 04:10 PM
After i readed this tread i started to play with kurito.
Till now i used 15 r-gacha tickets, each try one ticket and i got allready the N and R Card,
in my oponion a good way to farm, beside the try to get the cards ,almost every try gives an sr wild 3 card.
Good way for me to prepare the lvling of the slayer cards :)

Unregistered
08-04-2015, 06:00 PM
If you got all limmed girls I would wait untill the limmed girls change. After the first 3-4 months with the same girls the girls started to change every month. Collecting 300-400 R-Gacha takes time...

If you just want level for you SR girls donating 1x R-Gacha give on average give 2.5 SR level.

NeoUsui
08-05-2015, 08:08 AM
Ing:
R.Gachax3
Pero.Puddingx2

Silver:2hrs

Result:
Peronaminx1
Peronamin.Halfx1

speaking of bad luck...

Haters
08-08-2015, 07:57 AM
Any tip for the limited N ? I tried it for a month and still haven't got it yet. I keep playing with R-ticket and I got SR-3 WC mostly 90% of all time.

FateWillDecide
08-08-2015, 06:36 PM
Still haven't got SR after like 100 tries god fucking damn

Unregistered
08-09-2015, 07:07 AM
Damnit! i dropped in 12000 points worth of items and didn't get the limited SR Card im pissed all i got was 1 card reveal and 1 pero pudding

any suggestions or anyone else have the same?

sephirothz
08-09-2015, 07:18 AM
Damnit! i dropped in 12000 points worth of items and didn't get the limited SR Card im pissed all i got was 1 card reveal and 1 pero pudding

any suggestions or anyone else have the same?

i wasted about 30 peroamin, 30 R gacha ticket, card reveal about 10, and dumb 30 peroamin half until i really get that SR card
keep trying. it is a bit difficult to get SR card on kurito

EvilAngel
08-09-2015, 07:20 AM
R.i.P Kurito

Unregistered
08-09-2015, 07:21 AM
i wasted about 30 peroamin, 30 R gacha ticket, card reveal about 10, and dumb 30 peroamin half until i really get that SR card
keep trying. it is a bit difficult to get SR card on kurito

I Hope Chise Hosokawa will stay longer so i can try more, i got some nice items from the event though but i won't stop trying

sephirothz
08-09-2015, 07:25 AM
I Hope Chise Hosokawa will stay longer so i can try more, i got some nice items from the event though but i won't stop trying

i think it will be change by the end of this month
i should collect even more items to feed that stupid squirrel
the worst thing i got from this squirrel is dumb so many items and she only gives me one limited N card. nothing more
i suggest you feed her about 10050 - 11999 point
i got SR card by giving her around that point

Unregistered
08-09-2015, 07:30 AM
i think it will be change by the end of this month
i should collect even more items to feed that stupid squirrel
the worst thing i got from this squirrel is dumb so many items and she only gives me one limited N card. nothing more

I Don't really know Chise has been here also last month, but i'm just gonna hope i suggest you do the same

That's what i did i farmed the event for 5 days or so and got just enough to get gold and i got 2x pero pudding and 2x card reveal i really don't feel like i'm gonna be able to farm up items to get that close again