Need Advice on How to Power-Up From Here (Long-Term)

[KTA]

So I've rolled a bunch of SSR's lately, but they're pretty much all spread out element wise. I'm looking for advice on how to power up from here (AKA Miracle Ticket usage, gacha look-outs, etc.):

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Legendary Souls: Andromeda, Arthur

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SSR Kamihime: Metatron (4/4), Gaia (2/4), Ryu-Oh (2/4), [Emperor of Hell] Beelzebub (2/4), Azazel (1/4)

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SSR Eidolon (Gacha): Takemikazuchi (1/4), Fenrir (0/4), Echidna (0/4), Ouroboros (0/4), Huanglong (0/4)

SSR Eidolon (Event): Phoenix (2/4), Yam (3/4), Pazuzu (4/4), Meng Huo (4/4)

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Comments:

So yeah, it's all over the place. In particular, I'm considering specializing towards Light since my Metatron is already fully limit broken and she will (eventually) be awakenable (still don't know what she does tho), but Phoenix feels kind of crappy for a main Eidolon. I also have a bunch of max limit broken SR weapons and high Shine Assault skill level on them.

I have a lot of Dark/Thunder Eidolons, but no Dark/Thunder SSR Kamihime. I do have SR [Moonlight Archer] Diana. For Fire, I also hear that Beelzebub isn't a good SSR (though I do have the SR Fire Eligos that's supposed to shore up her weaknesses).

Fenrir is decent for water, and I have Ryu-Oh and SR Triton, Belphegor to support it. I also randomly have SSR Dragon Slasher Gram and the SSR Yam Bow, all of which give me Water Attack Up (+)/(++) and Dbl ATK Up, so this seems promising.

As for Wind, I do have Gaia who is core and another wind SSR (who I never hear talked about), and I guess Takemikazuki is okay as a main Eidolon for that. This seems promising, but I don't how approach it.

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What I Currently Use

Main Line-Up: Arthur --- Metatron --- Ryu-Oh / Gaia --- [Moonlight Archer] Diana --- Artemis
Sub Line-Up: Attar --- (anything)

Currently, what I do is one of two variations of the same strategy to clear Ultimate Advent Battles / Tier 2 Accessory quests: sandbag the trash at the beginning and stack the shit out of Metatron's Countdown+. Then I blast the boss with Ryu-Oh's Atk/Def/Overdrive Down or Gawain's EX Ambush and normal attack until they're raging -> Full Buff + Full Burst. I only swap Ryu-Oh if the enemy is Thunder and I change Arthur/Andromeda based on whether I actually need to heal damage from the trash at the beginning/during the battle. Otherwise, I only have Dark Diana in the party to use her as a one-time healer + ATK buff, with Attar as a recovery sub in case someone goes down and I need more.

It's a pretty streaky strategy. I typically either obliterate the boss or get obliterated by an Overdrive/bad RNG.

I imagine the extension of this strategy is to replace Dark Diana with an actual healer (and light type) Sol, Artemis with her SSR version so that I don't have to skill Ambush, and unlocking Shingen so that Arthur can use Provisional Forest and Full Burst the boss into oblivion every 6 turns. Also, having a better Light Eidolon (Archangel if not Managarmr) would help too.

As for subs, I have no idea. I like Attar as a sub since when she comes in, everyone is usually low so her heal is very potent, but I don't know what to replace her with or to slot last even in the future.

I also don't know what to replace Ryu-Oh/Gaia with. Maybe Michael or Eros?

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Other Thoughts

I need to get Draconic Eye Shards faster (30 weeks too long), but I have no clue on how to build and all R team (I imagine I need D'Artagnan and her Sniper Shot), and I'm pretty sure I get obliterated on Ragnarok without Elemental Advantage (haven't tried yet, only at 33k ATK).

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In Conclusion:

Sorry for the long and scattered post. tl;dr - I wanna know who I should do in the long term and what Kamihime selections I should look out for, what I should do with my other elements, what Souls I should go for next (e.g. Mordred, Joan, D'Artagnan?) or if I should just react based on Eidolon RNG. idk lots of ways you could answer this thread I guess.

[Slashley]

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what Souls I should go for next (e.g. Mordred, Joan, D'Artagnan?) --The "which Soul should I use?" thread (https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/4735-soul-thread.html) should answer that.

As for the rest, well, you're nowhere near the powerlevels you need to be yet to be worrying about... much of anything, really. Unless you're going to buy your way to victory, that is. Keep doing events for all the SSRs, keep rolling the Gem Gacha to upgrade your Grids.

[VeryVoodoo]

So I've rolled a bunch of SSR's lately, but they're pretty much all spread out element wise. I'm looking for advice on how to power up from here (AKA Miracle Ticket usage, gacha look-outs, etc.):

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Legendary Souls: Andromeda, Arthur

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SSR Kamihime: Metatron (4/4), Gaia (2/4), Ryu-Oh (2/4), [Emperor of Hell] Beelzebub (2/4), Azazel (1/4)

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SSR Eidolon (Gacha): Takemikazuchi (1/4), Fenrir (0/4), Echidna (0/4), Ouroboros (0/4), Huanglong (0/4)

SSR Eidolon (Event): Phoenix (2/4), Yam (3/4), Pazuzu (4/4), Meng Huo (4/4)

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Comments:

So yeah, it's all over the place. In particular, I'm considering specializing towards Light since my Metatron is already fully limit broken and she will (eventually) be awakenable (still don't know what she does tho), but Phoenix feels kind of crappy for a main Eidolon. I also have a bunch of max limit broken SR weapons and high Shine Assault skill level on them.

I have a lot of Dark/Thunder Eidolons, but no Dark/Thunder SSR Kamihime. I do have SR [Moonlight Archer] Diana. For Fire, I also hear that Beelzebub isn't a good SSR (though I do have the SR Fire Eligos that's supposed to shore up her weaknesses).

Fenrir is decent for water, and I have Ryu-Oh and SR Triton, Belphegor to support it. I also randomly have SSR Dragon Slasher Gram and the SSR Yam Bow, all of which give me Water Attack Up (+)/(++) and Dbl ATK Up, so this seems promising.

As for Wind, I do have Gaia who is core and another wind SSR (who I never hear talked about), and I guess Takemikazuki is okay as a main Eidolon for that. This seems promising, but I don't how approach it.

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What I Currently Use

Main Line-Up: Arthur --- Metatron --- Ryu-Oh / Gaia --- [Moonlight Archer] Diana --- Artemis
Sub Line-Up: Attar --- (anything)

Currently, what I do is one of two variations of the same strategy to clear Ultimate Advent Battles / Tier 2 Accessory quests: sandbag the trash at the beginning and stack the shit out of Metatron's Countdown+. Then I blast the boss with Ryu-Oh's Atk/Def/Overdrive Down or Gawain's EX Ambush and normal attack until they're raging -> Full Buff + Full Burst. I only swap Ryu-Oh if the enemy is Thunder and I change Arthur/Andromeda based on whether I actually need to heal damage from the trash at the beginning/during the battle. Otherwise, I only have Dark Diana in the party to use her as a one-time healer + ATK buff, with Attar as a recovery sub in case someone goes down and I need more.

It's a pretty streaky strategy. I typically either obliterate the boss or get obliterated by an Overdrive/bad RNG.

I imagine the extension of this strategy is to replace Dark Diana with an actual healer (and light type) Sol, Artemis with her SSR version so that I don't have to skill Ambush, and unlocking Shingen so that Arthur can use Provisional Forest and Full Burst the boss into oblivion every 6 turns. Also, having a better Light Eidolon (Archangel if not Managarmr) would help too.

As for subs, I have no idea. I like Attar as a sub since when she comes in, everyone is usually low so her heal is very potent, but I don't know what to replace her with or to slot last even in the future.

I also don't know what to replace Ryu-Oh/Gaia with. Maybe Michael or Eros?

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Other Thoughts

I need to get Draconic Eye Shards faster (30 weeks too long), but I have no clue on how to build and all R team (I imagine I need D'Artagnan and her Sniper Shot), and I'm pretty sure I get obliterated on Ragnarok without Elemental Advantage (haven't tried yet, only at 33k ATK).

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In Conclusion:

Sorry for the long and scattered post. tl;dr - I wanna know who I should do in the long term and what Kamihime selections I should look out for, what I should do with my other elements, what Souls I should go for next (e.g. Mordred, Joan, D'Artagnan?) or if I should just react based on Eidolon RNG. idk lots of ways you could answer this thread I guess.

Ehh, with what you have so far, it's too early to call into specializing in any one element. Metatron is a pretty crap pick to build a team around. I have her, and would currently label her as a trash tier hime. As you mentioned though, she does get an awakening later on which makes her strong'ish then, but that's still quite a whiles away. Ryu is decent for water, and Gaia is decent for Wind, but all of this really depends on what else you have to build around them.

When in doubt, just focus on getting all the SSR/SR assault wpns from events for grid building in every element. That way you'll be prepared for whatever route future gacha RNG throws at you. If Light is currently your strongest, then by all means use it for clearing stuff. But eventually gacha might throw other himes at you that might make for a stronger element then. And by end game, you'll want to be able to specialize in every element anyway.

For beginners, Mordred is probably the best all-around soul, both in terms of utility & survivability for your team. From there you can eventually branch out to things like D'art/Joan as you've listed. There is already a soul thread, and several team building threads all around the forums, so just use the search function to read up on past threads as all that information has probably already been repeated a 100 times.

[Laventale]

I love how well designed this thread is, so I'm gonna give it a couple hours before closing it down.

Even though, using the Q&A Designated Thread (https://harem-battle.club/kamihime-project/2974-kamihime-discussion.html) next time wouldn't hurt anyone.

[Aidoru]

Listing your himes would help if you're looking for team composition advice. Personally, I don't recommend using more than 1 off element in a team. Early game it might be okay but once you start filling out your weapon grid and leveling your skills, they'll be a large loss in damage if their skill isn't essential.

Stat debuffs. Learn about them and utilize them. (http://kamihime-project.wikia.com/wiki/Abilities) They are an important factor in this game.

Souls are there to fill the gaps that your himes lack. Mordred and D'art are generally the priority go-to's for new player as D'art provides a strong debuff and Mordred provides Black Propaganda, which is basically RyuOh's orb ability. Getting Arthur first is usually a trap for new players as she doesn't provide anything important to the team other than damage. Gawain can often be better use since she has Ambush as a regular skill meaning she can use another debuff as a ex skill. There are also soul weapons that are a important factor but the items to get them is likely not something you'll be able to properly farm yet.

Level your weapons and their skills, especially focus on weapons with skills related to increasing your damage. Continue to collect weapons and eidolons from events.

For your main eidolons, you can buy a 45% elemental atk ones from the orb exchange shop, or a 40% character atk/20% hp ones which might be more useful in some cases. Take note that elemental atk and character elemental atk are not the same modifiers and not all elements have both variations available from the shop.

[QXZ]

@OP,

i suggest you build a team around Water. Ryu-oh is a top tier SSR hime in water lineup and the water element is F2P friendly. then u can build a wind team around Gaia as your backup element, in case your water team run into problems against Thunder events.

for mtix, i suggest the following priority: Vohu Manah (after Feb 2019) > Ashera > Snow Raph > Aphrodite

[KTA]

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Thank you for your response. I read through your thread just now, but I still have some questions. In particular:

- Do I need Mordred if I already have Ryu-Oh to fill that gap? (basically, am I at the point where I might as well skip Mordred?)
- But at the same time, I imagine Mordred is very effective for fulfilling the R-Kamihime Advent battle mission?
- Based on the above points, my current understanding is to prioritize either {D'Artagnan > Joan > Mordred} or {Mordred > D'Artagnan > Joan}, or should I consider other Souls?
- I understand Hercules is the best right now, but I'm right now, I'm very far from her (Spartacus (100) -> Achilles (300) + Rosenkruez (200) + Hercules (600) = 1200 SP). I'm thinking I should skip Hercules for now?
- Shingen is soon to come, but how does Arthur + Provisional Forest fare? (though the obvious conclusion to just unlock Shingen either way)

For reference, I'm 33k ATK so I'm close to hitting the 40k mark, and my current rank is 57.


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Yeah, I definitely fell into the Arthur trap at the start. I'm considering Mordred mostly based on whether it would allow me to clear the R-only Kamihime missions.

I'd like to list out my himes, but maintenance just went out and this thread might close soon. (To Laventale: Sorry! I didn't use the Q&A thread because my initial post got so bloated, but I'll make sure to do so next time)

The Orb Exchange shop thing totally escaped me, I barely even remembered it existed until just now. I also had no idea that Character ATK UP is different from Elemental ATK UP. Is there a rule of thumb for which one is better? I would guess Elemental ATK since it sounds like it's post-damage amplification, but I guess if the Weapon Grid offers Elemental ATK UP, that makes it more complicated. Worst comes to worst, if they're similar, I could probably graph them against Character ATK and Skill % to determine otherwise.


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Water Team Composition Questions

So from what I understand from dictionary translating the JP wiki, Vohu Manah is basically used for her 3rd skill, a 6T mass 30% Water Vulnerability UP for 120 sec piggybacked on a Fire damage AoE costing 30% burst?

(I think her passive is that after taking damage, she has a 5% chance of resetting her skills? Which is why her 2nd skill allows her to instantly attack and deals recoil damage, and 1st skill guarantees a triple attack after a water AoE.)

Ashera, as in アーシラト? So she's a team Water DMG and burst gauge/damage buffer?

And then Snow Raphael for B-Frame debuffing and gauge control?

And finally, Aphrodite for healing, affliction mitigation, and Combo ATK UP for further stacking burst? (basically a better SSR Nike's role since A-frame DEF down is stronger on Ryu-Oh I'm guessing)

That sounds really good, especially Vohu Manah's debuff helping Ryu-Oh stacking her own. I'm guessing Ashera over the other two because the build would lack in damage otherwise? And I would need to find either a substitute healer for Aphrodite or run Andromeda if so? After reaching Ahera though, are you supposed to run Shingen to stack more burst gauge?

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Wind Team Composition Questions

For a team around Gaia, should I look out for SSR Cybele as the next priority, running Andromeda as the healer? And I heard some people trash on Azael; does that change with her Awakening (though that's REALLY far off)?

Sorry for all the questions, and thank you so much for the clear response.

[Laventale]

Try to not triple post next time.

[QXZ]

@OP,

Water Team:
Ashera has priority because her burst up has no replacement. Snow Raph can be replaced by Cthulhu and Aphrodite can be replaced by SSR Nike. worst comes to worse.... you can use SR Nike and SR Belphagor while you wait for more SSR himes.

finally.... Vohu Manah is just too good to pass over. her 3rd skill give 30% debuff x2, which is the strongest in the game.

Wind Team:
Since you have Gaia, SSR Cybele / Arianrod / Ideal are the ones you should be looking for. but you should finish building ur water team before focusing on Wind

[Slashley]

Thank you for your response. I read through your thread just now, but I still have some questions. In particular:

- Do I need Mordred if I already have Ryu-Oh to fill that gap? (basically, am I at the point where I might as well skip Mordred?)
- But at the same time, I imagine Mordred is very effective for fulfilling the R-Kamihime Advent battle mission?
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- I understand Hercules is the best right now, but I'm right now, I'm very far from her (Spartacus (100) -> Achilles (300) + Rosenkruez (200) + Hercules (600) = 1200 SP). I'm thinking I should skip Hercules for now?
--Ryu-Oh kind of fulfills the same role, but Mordred is super good. The thing is, Ryu-Oh's Black Propaganda has a fairly bad hit-rate. With elemental advantage + Mordred's Debuff Resistance Down + 6% Affliction from Accessories, it STILL doesn't reach 100%. Close, but not guaranteed. So, if you're not going to run Mordred? It'll be even worse. You'll run Ryu-Oh without elemental advantage? Even wose. I doubt you have proper Accessories yet, so even worse. In other words - Ryu-Oh will miss A LOT if you intend to use her in every team. You might still want to since her A debuffs are super good as a new player, but don't rely on her.
tl;dr; No, Ryu-Oh doesn't replace Mordred.

R Hime are generally terrible, but Advent Ragnaroks are super weak. Once you have your Grid set-up, you'll blaze through these. Until then... either Mordred or Joan are your best bets. But if it's Dragon Eye Shards you're after, you should rather be looking for a strong Union. Top5 Unions get ~15 Shards a month. You won't make it one of those probably, but you could get into one that gets ~8 or more.

As I said in my thread, Hercules is super good. However, before you get to Hercules, get the other basics down. You have Gawain and Cass at least (btw Andromeda is a WAY bigger newbie trap than cheap Arthur...), but grab the rest of the basics and then Hercules. A lot of Hercules' power comes from her Relic weapon, and you're too weak to farm those at the moment. By the time you'll be able to get somewhere on those bosses and you can buy Relic weapons, then you're probably starting to be at the stage where you can drop Mordred. If you don't have Hercules unlocked at this point, you'll be sorry...
-- I also had no idea that Character ATK UP is different from Elemental ATK UP. Is there a rule of thumb for which one is better? --To super simplify the damage formula, it's BaseAtk*CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk. If you play around in that, you'll notice through the power of mathematics that the "best one" is the "lower one." So if you have less CharacterAtk, then it's better to increase CharacterAtk.

The thing is, your weapon skills (Assault) are CharacterAtk. This is why your Grid is so important. You can reach 130% CharacterAtk(/Assault) just from your Grid. That means that the best thing to get from Eidolons (for damage) is ElementalAtk, since you already have up to 130% (10x slvl20 SR Assaults) from Grid.. This is why Elemental Eidolons are by far better for veteran players. For you? 40% CharacterAtk + 20% HP is probably way better than 45% ElementalAtk since I assume your Grids are weak.

Notice two things about ElementalAtk though - Relic weapons give 30% ElementalAtk and elemental advantage is 45% ElementalAtk. If you're running both (which you won't for a long time since you're not strong enough to farm Relics just yet), then you'll have 117%+ CharacterAtk and 75% ElementalAtk before your Eidolons. At this point, it's ideal to pick a P2W Eidolon from Friend List (100% Elemental ones) and bring your own CharacterAtk + HP. 157%+ CharacterAtk and 175% ElementalAtk, a good balance, plus you get 20% HP to boot.

But again, for now, your biggest limiter is your Grid. Farm SR/SSR Assault weapons from events and and Disaster raids, level those up with GemGacha.
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finally.... Vohu Manah is just too good to pass over. her 3rd skill give 30% debuff x2, which is the strongest in the game.--And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere.

[Unregistered]

OP,

i suggest you build a team around Water. Ryu-oh is a top tier SSR hime in water lineup and the water element is F2P friendly. then u can build a wind team around Gaia as your backup element, in case your water team run into problems against Thunder events.

for mtix, i suggest the following priority: Vohu Manah (after Feb 2019) > Ashera > Snow Raph > Aphrodite

Nothing against you but thats Bullshit. Really... So much BS!
Water meta next year:
Shiva AW, Vohu, Cthulhu AW, Asherah/Sarsawati/Lakshmi/Poseidon AW. Depends on the situation.
Tbh he should MT Cthulhu for the future but on the other hand thats 1 year away!
And I wouldnt MT Ashy anymore since Shiva AW will replace her next year.

Actually I would wait till MT what he gets before.
Tbh I recommend to MT Svarog and then Uriel.
Those 2 are broken enough that you can even use it for off-ele.

[Unregistered]

And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere.

No. Vohu allows you to run Shingen BG, she is pretty fast and can reset her skills by 1T.
At least she is making water way better. No she is saving it.
"Not that all good" you want her for water rst down+GTA and not fire atk rst down...

[Slashley]

No. Vohu allows you to run Shingen BG--Shingen BG?
"Not that all good" you want her for water rst down+GTA and not fire atk rst down...GTA?

Also, Water is extremely debuff heavy already. That lowers the value of Water Resist Down a lot. Of course, you either need Herc, Cthulhu or Vohu to go past 40%, but.

[Unregistered]

Shingen BG?GTA?

Also, Water is extremely debuff heavy already. That lowers the value of Water Resist Down a lot. Of course, you either need Herc, Cthulhu or Vohu to go past 40%, but.

Okay ... I didnt think you would be so clueless.
First of all do you actually know the reason why you use Vohu and you should MT her? I guess you dont know it.

Next year we will have the Era of Shingen fast burst builds.
Furthermore you can use MP to unlock her 20BG Party skill with 6T CD.
Then how are you going to burst fast in 3-4T with PF and a team with Cthulhu, Ryu-Oh and Snow Raphy? You can't!
What does Vohu do?
Abi 1: AoE Water damage + GTA (Guaranteed Tripple Attack) for 2T. CD: 10T
Abi 2: Consumes 10% HP and you can attack immediately. Every 4T (add Tiara set effect + Sarsawatis help = she will sure DATA even without her GTA skill)
Abi 3: 30% Fire Atk down and 30% Water RST down --> you need 30BG to use it
Passive: At the end of the turn 5% chance that her skills will reset by 1T
Burst: Recover 2k HP.

With Vohu you can kick Snowy and Ryu-Oh. Especially with Cthulhu AW and she is fast after burst, if you use her Abi 3 because GDATA!
Now we need someone that can help Vohu after her 2T --> Sarsawati, who is basically like Titania.
Shiva AW will replace Ashy. Why? Shiva AW has a better party buff skills and only 5T CD! Furthermore she get 20BG every 5T for herself + her Nuke is strong enough to make up for Ashys Buff loss.
Shiva AW, Cthulhu AW and Vohu are the water meta.
Last spot is either Lakshmi for more damage and MVP stealing or you use Sarsawati/Poseidon AW --> depends on the situation.
Furthermore Lakshmi herself if fast enough!

Tbh that you are really saying that she is "really good" against fire and nothing-else is Bullshit.
She is basically saving water from the extremely debuff heavy curse.
I dont know why you think that you should use 2 useless slow KHs instead of Vohu in off-ele...

[Slashley]

See, here's the problem. You're applying knowledge of "DMM today" to "Nutaku today." What's the difference?

A full year.

Vohu won't be out for us for FOUR MONTHS. Shingen's new skill won't be available until 1-2 months after Vohu is out (of course, assuming that Nutaku version keeps up to pace...). Cthulhu AW and Shiva AW won't be out for many months after that. In other words, all the things you're saying don't apply to us for at least six months, probably not for like 8-10 months. As such, what use is that...? If you want to look ahead, okay. But isn't that a little bit too much?

It's really Vine all over again, where DMM players were scoffing at her. Yeah, now that we're in age of Hercules (which DMM players were in when we got Vine), Vine doesn't have much use. But all the way until age of Hercules? Vine was fucking amazing. Let's not think of the "future" as "today" since that's not how stuff works.


Also, I still don't understand what makes Vohu so good. Yes, she's going to ready for Shingen. So what? The third slot will still need to get to 80 burst, the fourth to 70, and the fifth to 60. Wind does chaingun bursts because Titania can rake up her burst while giving tons of burst to others. Vohu can only do it for herself. And saying that Saraswati is like Titania is an insult to Titania, as Saraswati is capable of only giving decent amounts of burst to self and one other at 6t, whileas Titania is 4t. Of course, Titania is Awakened, so that helps her a ton.

For the next 6+ months, Water is ideally going to run the "Holy Trinity" - Cthulhu, Snow Raphael, SSR Nike. Last spot goes to highest damage dealer, which is really only Asherah at the moment. Sure, after that we'll be seeing changes as the meta gets notably faster, but even that only applies to ultra-whales who can keep up with literally every single SSR Hime for literally every element. Is that really the only thing we're going to be discussing?

[Unregistered]

See, here's the problem. You're applying knowledge of "DMM today" to "Nutaku today." What's the difference?

A full year.

Vohu won't be out for us for FOUR MONTHS. Shingen's new skill won't be available until 1-2 months after Vohu is out (of course, assuming that Nutaku version keeps up to pace...). Cthulhu AW and Shiva AW won't be out for many months after that. In other words, all the things you're saying don't apply to us for at least six months, probably not for like 8-10 months. As such, what use is that...? If you want to look ahead, okay. But isn't that a little bit too much?



What the hell are you talking?
I am referring to your post about:


And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere.

Why are saying that she isnt that good elsewhere? Thats why I said why you want to MT her.



For the next 6+ months, Water is ideally going to run the "Holy Trinity" - Cthulhu, Snow Raphael, SSR Nike. Last spot goes to highest damage dealer, which is really only Asherah at the moment. Sure, after that we'll be seeing changes as the meta gets notably faster, but even that only applies to ultra-whales who can keep up with literally every single SSR Hime for literally every element. Is that really the only thing we're going to be discussing?

Sure, if you think so.
I run Shingen+SS with Asherah, Sarsawati, Ryu-Oh and Cthulhu --> 4-5T PF Burst.
The "Holy Trinity" is already over, who needs that.
Herc+PF I just go pure damage with Asherah, Shiva, Cthulhu/Ryu-Oh, Snowy/Ryu-Oh/Cthulhu/Posseidon.

[QUOTE=Slashley;130453]Also, I still don't understand what makes Vohu so good. Yes, she's going to ready for Shingen. So what? The third slot will still need to get to 80 burst, the fourth to 70, and the fifth to 60. Wind does chaingun bursts because Titania can rake up her burst while giving tons of burst to others. Vohu can only do it for herself. And saying that Saraswati is like Titania is an insult to Titania, as Saraswati is capable of only giving decent amounts of burst to self and one other at 6t, whileas Titania is 4t. Of course, Titania is Awakened, so that helps her a ton.
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Can't you even do the simplest math?
Shingen --> 20 party BG
Cthulhu AW --> 20 party BG
Shiva AW --> 20BG for herself
Vohu Manah --> GTA
Sarsawati --> Ally 25BG and high DATA up

Turn 0: Shingen party BG +35 BG for herself, Shiva BG for herself, Vohu Manah Abi 1+2 combo (30BG - her debuff = 0), Sarawati BG to Vohu and herself
Turn 1: Shingen 65-85BG, Shiva 50-70BG, Vohu 75BG, Sarsawati 55-75BG, Cthulhu 30-50
Activate PF, Cthulhu 20 party BG
--> Burst in 3T with PF

Furthermore you already stopped with this game, so whats your point to give advice ???

[Slashley]

Why are saying that she isnt that good elsewhere? Thats why I said why you want to MT her.Because, I don't see her being good. Yes, she's fast. So what? Being fast doesn't help if you outpace the rest of the team.

The way I see it, until you can make use out of her fastness, she's literally nothing but an annoying to use debuff slut that only works proper against Fire. Mind you, her debuffs only last 120s and costs 30 burst to apply. That means you might not really be able to use the "main feature" of Water Resist Down even - less Affliction resistance - since applying such a short debuff first may or may not be viable.

At least the 30 burst thing is manageable, since she's able to generate 30 burst before turn1 starts and then a guaranteed 60 burst in the following two turns. After that though, then what? It takes 10 turns before the guaranteed triple is ready, and with 120s, that won't be around for the second application. So you'll need to be mindful of how much burst she has available to her if you want to keep that debuff rolling. Is that really worth it against anything except Fire? Such concerns go away once your team gets crazy fast, but that doesn't happen for Water in ages. And even then, only for ideal or near ideal teams. I just don't see her as Miracle Ticket material at all unless she's either the last piece you're missing OR you ONLY fight with elemental advantage and your Water is sorely lacking.
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Furthermore you already stopped with this game, so whats your point to give advice ???At least my advice is valid today, whileas your advice is valid around... 2019-10-15? Possibly a week earlier. That's at the very earliest 50 weeks from now.

And even then, only if you have literally every possible Water SSR Hime. That kind of burst setup doesn't work if you take away a single piece, much less two pieces. Or more. You really want him to commit Miracle Tickets on something that'll only work after a full year has passed...? And that's if he commits more Miracle Tickets to it and/or whales like crazy?

[Laventale]

Well, that's it. Thank you for coming all together to discuss a simple topic that could've been discussed from the beginning over the Q&A thread.

Now I'll proceed to do what I do best.