Gacha rates data

[nut]

I'm really interested in the gacha rate of this game (who doesn't) and find out Sanahtlig already make a thread to collect and analysis the gacha data when the game released here, but it's almost 2 year, the gacha pool has changed completely with SSR himeless weapon removed, new kamihimes, new eidolons and there are 100% Eidolons that everyone believed to have much more lower rate than anything in the pool. That data is already outdated and isn't a reliable reference source anymore. Most argument about gacha rate recently is just assumption.
So I think I should collect the new data sometime and finaly I have some free time to set up an auto reroll macro. The first 500 accounts aka 10000 rolls is done, not much work done in analysis part, just calculated the basic rate.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XEGZIatpK0PNAwgJeQjRtS52_UEwaxNUZ9gGqLYPSvs/edit?usp=sharing
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Raw data: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18v5D-Vqp424uIGYPZZMBN7KaRoLNxUa6?usp=sharing
The data were collected during the "New Year limied edition character drop rate increased"
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As I thought the SSR kami and eido rate isn't 50:50, but isn't correspond to the number of SSR kami and Eido either.
Over 10000 roll I only found 7 100% eidolon and still missing the light one so the rate of 100% eido isn't reliable and need bigger sample size.
Todo list:
Add 10000 more rolls when the next rate up is up.
Count the number drop of the current rate up SSR, SR, R kami.
Count the number drop of each SSR kami, SSR eidolon.

Anyone want to add more gacha roll or analysis the data or make better sheet feel free to request a permission to edit the sheet here as I'm not good at this.
Also, 500 rerolled accounts available to giveaway so if any new player want to skip some reroll, just surf through the raw data, find one you want and pm your email so I can send a change email request (2 pic with the same number belong to one account). There is 7 100% eido all most of the SSR kami in here so good luck.

[reveril]

Over 10000 roll I only found 7 100% eidolon and still missing the light one .

Welp.

Thanks for your contribution!

[Kitty]

shit someone almost rerolled as much as me what a lad. i think i got a lot more than 7 100% eidos, tho.

5 belials, 4 rudras, 3 hraes, 4 mana, 1 kirin and 0 anubis lmao

[reveril]

shit someone almost rerolled as much as me what a lad. i think i got a lot more than 7 100% eidos, tho.

5 belials, 4 rudras, 3 hraes, 4 mana, 1 kirin and 0 anubis lmao

Are the Managarmr accounts still around? Or were they given out?

[Slashley]

I'm really interested in the gacha rate of this game (who doesn't) and find out Sanahtlig already make a thread to collect and analysis the gacha data when the game released here, but it's almost 2 year, the gacha pool has changed completely with SSR himeless weapon removed, new kamihimes, new eidolons and there are 100% Eidolons that everyone believed to have much more lower rate than anything in the pool. That data is already outdated and isn't a reliable reference source anymore. Most argument about gacha rate recently is just assumption.--Correct. Much thanks for your hard work.


At the moment, it seems that on average it costs... 4 285 714 Jewels per P2W Eidolon? 3 000 Jewels / 0,0007.
Of course, this number could be VERY wrong since the sample size is still small considering the low droprate.

Another very interesting tidbit is that Hime and Eidolons are about 1.8:1 in ratio - significantly better than 1:1. I hope that you'll be able to distinguish between SR Hime weapons and SR himeless weapons in the future so that we could use that data as possible reference - has the system changed?

[Kitty]

Are the Managarmr accounts still around? Or were they given out?

last one I had was mana/shamash and i gave that away to a guy thats now in my union, kek

[Kitty]

btw, nut, i was wondering how you do your rerolls? do you make them and then log on them after a while to collect built up jews then draw more? or just use the initial 6K .

bc heres an example of one of mine from november 2017 with a buncha jews built up..ones from summer 2017 had like 13-14k
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314411010301755392/530741806946582541/unknown.png

[nut]

btw, nut, i was wondering how you do your rerolls? do you make them and then log on them after a while to collect built up jews then draw more? or just use the initial 6K .

bc heres an example of one of mine from november 2017 with a buncha jews built up..ones from summer 2017 had like 13-14k
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314411010301755392/530741806946582541/unknown.png

That was the initial 6k so 500 account equal to 10000 rolls, I made a macro to sign up->skip tutorial->using direct link to skip login bonus->collect gift->roll the 3k jewels and take screenshot twice.
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With the rate of 1 account every 2 minute, I can make 500 account within a day, but tranfer the number from the screenshot to the sheet is time consuming and easy to mistake when do in large amount so I made around 100 accounts at once and stop at 500 to make another 500 when the pool and rate up change.

Correct. Much thanks for your hard work.


At the moment, it seems that on average it costs... 4 285 714 Jewels per P2W Eidolon? 3 000 Jewels / 0,0007.
Of course, this number could be VERY wrong since the sample size is still small considering the low droprate.

Another very interesting tidbit is that Hime and Eidolons are about 1.8:1 in ratio - significantly better than 1:1. I hope that you'll be able to distinguish between SR Hime weapons and SR himeless weapons in the future so that we could use that data as possible reference - has the system changed?

3000 Jewels is 10 chain, so it is 300/0.07% ~ 428571 Jewels atm. Seem affordable as my union mate has around 170k jewels and 300 ticket save in one year.
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I didn't check but I think the amount of SR himeless weapon is quite large so distinguish between SR Hime weapons and SR himeless will be a hard job.

[Slashley]

Oh right, so it's not 10 000 10-rolls, but 1 000 10-ten rolls. That makes P2W Eidolons ~428 571 Jewels.

[Kitty]

ahh i see, i honestly haven't made any rerolls in over a year just because i'm still finding old ones that i can re-log into and collect even more jewels than i would get from making a totally new account. ..also i'm dumb and read it wrong i thought you made over 10k accounts oof

also that sounds crazy 500 accounts in a day lmao i guess you have made more than me *sobs*

[AutoCrimson]

how can u have 14k from summer if i just checked mine for 13250, and thats march one

[Kitty]

how can u have 14k from summer if i just checked mine for 13250, and thats march one

13-14 so in between, i couldn't remember what my highest amount was but it was over 13k so i just made a guesstimate lad.

[Seraaz]

Sent you a pm for one of the accounts, good work and nice patience from your side making all of these accounts :D

[Gludateton]

Two interesting things one can derive from this results:
1. Guaranteed SR drop is just last ball not being R, doesn't matter what one pulled before.
2. Last ball may be SSR (so it's true that it's SR or higher).

[VeryVoodoo]

7 100%s in 10,000 draws (or 1000 x10 draws) eh?

So in a few more years, I should get one then. :joy:

[nut]

Two interesting things one can derive from this results:
1. Guaranteed SR drop is just last ball not being R, doesn't matter what one pulled before.
2. Last ball may be SSR (so it's true that it's SR or higher).

Another thing is New SSR kamihime always is the last ball, if there are 2 new SSR kamihimes they are in the last 2 balls, 3 in the last 3 balls, but dupe can be in random ball, don't know if they reposition new SSR hime for supprise effect or not.

[Slashley]

Another thing is New SSR kamihime always is the last ball, if there are 2 new SSR kamihimes they are in the last 2 balls, 3 in the last 3 balls, but dupe can be in random ball, don't know if they reposition new SSR hime for supprise effect or not.Isn't that true for ALL Hime? Any new Hime ball - R, SR and SSR - will be pushed to the back, no?

[nut]

Isn't that true for ALL Hime? Any new Hime ball - R, SR and SSR - will be pushed to the back, no?

It seem like when there is no new SSR hime around, they stay where they are but when there is a new SSR hime, new hime ball will be pushed to the back.
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[Gludateton]

I counted just 5 Light Nike's weapons (I may have made a mistake, so take it with a grain of salt), which is damn weird, because there's a LOT of Sakuya's weapons (didn't count till the end, because I got bored of it). While it's true that SRs have less variance, but... something's off.

Also, that one pull with 2x 100% eidos in it (Anubis and Belial).

[nut]

I counted just 5 Light Nike's weapons (I may have made a mistake, so take it with a grain of salt), which is damn weird, because there's a LOT of Sakuya's weapons (didn't count till the end, because I got bored of it). While it's true that SRs have less variance, but... something's off.

Also, that one pull with 2x 100% eidos in it (Anubis and Belial).

That suck for rate up, if magic jewels rate up ever come close to 15x star coin rate up, even with 5x for magic jewels, we should have around 5*181/(66+4)~13 Light Nike, assuming the rate of each SSR hime is equal, I'll also check the rate of each hime later.
"Available by Star Coins Gacha(15 times Rate UP until 20:00 1/8) and Magic Jewel Gacha(Until 20:00 1/6)"

[VeryVoodoo]

Ye I somehow doubt the 15x rate up applies to Jewel gachas. They always put the 15x rate up note carefully in parentheses next to the coins gacha section only. They've done so in every patch notes, where they mention that 15x rate for the past few weeks.

[Sztajger]

I am rerolling a new account, made 603 rn.

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I also have :
hraesvelgr + marduk
hraesvelgr + shiva
anubis + saraswati
anubis + gaia
hraesvelgr
2x belial

edit: also have accouts like 3kam+eid or 3 eid + kam but all random elements

[AutoCrimson]

yes u made, and?

[nut]

I am rerolling a new account, made 603 rn.

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I also have :
hraesvelgr + marduk
hraesvelgr + shiva
anubis + saraswati
anubis + gaia
hraesvelgr
2x belial

edit: also have accouts like 3kam+eid or 3 eid + kam but all random elements

Is that 603 accounts or 603 roll?
you seem to also got 7 100% like me with my 500 accounts, will add your rolls to the rate.
I made another 500 accounts but dont have time to add the number to the sheet yet, will do in the weekend.

[KTA]

It's worth it to note that the current gacha campaign, "Fire Kamihime Selection Gacha", was announced in a way that strongly suggests the 15x rate up applies to Jewels as well this time around.

[Sztajger]

600 accounts

[Laventale]

Unless stated otherwise, the x15 rates will always apply to coins only.

[QXZ]

i've rolled 10 months of jewels on this game. and always using that "new hime rate boost" jewel gacha. i have not rolled an event SSR a single time... ever.

i received a total of 12 SSR himes from the jewel gacha. so as far as my stats are concerned, the chances are 0/12 rolling the event SSR, assuming you get an SSR roll to begin with.

[KTA]

Yes, like I said, the way the current "Fire Kamihime Selection Gacha" is written heavily suggests that the 15x rate applies to magic jewels as well. It is listed as one gacha with one unified sale period, whose price is "3000 Star Coins or 3000 Jewels", with one set of contents where drop rates are "increased over 15 times". It is worth testing imo.

[Gludateton]

I'd like to point out, that higher drop chance (x15) started around October I think. Also I wouldn't be so sure about them applying only to Star Coins, from what I counted it seems that SR Kamihime have some pretty good drop (probably around this x15).
But if Light Nike dropped only 5 times for all those rerolls, there's really low (non-existent) chance that drop boost is x15... or it works in some weird way.

[Unregistered]

Any info on Kaiser drop rates?

[AznSamsung]

Low chance as fck ... after all the jewel i use this month 70k ... i only got one

[Slashley]

Low chance as fck ... after all the jewel i use this month 70k ... i only got oneI've never found one, and I sure as hell have spent way more than 70k Jewels.

[QXZ]

personally... i rolled for 10 months and got 1 kaiser

[Unregistered]

I've never found one, and I sure as hell have spent way more than 70k Jewels.

I got 2 after 3 months f2p

[Pigeon]

So there's a 100% Eidolon Selection Gacha, I imagine that the rate up is insignificant but if anyone has any pull data large or small that would be helpful.

[Slashley]

So there's a 100% Eidolon Selection Gacha, I imagine that the rate up is insignificant but if anyone has any pull data large or small that would be helpful.This isn't the first time that this Rate Up is here. The last time, several people threw thousands of bucks into it and got nothing. While some threw only a little and got lucky. We assume that the rate up works, but we have no idea how much. Note that without Rate Up, the average cost of one seems to be ~4200 bucks. How much this Rate Up works is anyone's guess.

Do the P2W Eidolons have their own slot? That'd mean that the chance of finding one is increased by Rate Up chance. They don't even mention it, so it could be 2.2x like it is on DMM. That'd mean that the average cost is ~1900 bucks, maybe? Can't be arsed to math it.

Or are P2W Eidolons separate, each just weighted the shit down in the Eidolon bucket? In that case it's Rate Up chance times six. So far less than 1900 each.

But this is pure speculation, of course.