[Event 97] Crucible of Combat VS The Demon Greed [2R]

[Kitty]

The penultimate UE before Seraph starts in January. <br />
Next is the final demon UE, in December.~ <br />
Finally we have a real break from these events for a while. <br />
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Battles - <br />
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Standard Lilim - 700K HP...

[hyugaricdeau]

Oh, am I happy to see Lumina Banish up there again....

[Slashley]

The penultimate UE before Seraph starts in January.
Next is the final demon UE, in December.~
Finally we have a real break from these events for a while.I still can't believe they did this. The Angel UE weapons are so fucking AWFUL that it is stunning.

Fucking hell DMM, if you want to continue the life cycle of a game, you need to make it so that new players can CATCH UP, not GET LEFT FUCKING BEHIND even more!! One job, DMM, one fucking job!

[Kitty]

I still can't believe they did this. The Angel UE weapons are so fucking AWFUL that it is stunning.

Fucking hell DMM, if you want to continue the life cycle of a game, you need to make it so that new players can CATCH UP, not GET LEFT FUCKING BEHIND even more!! One job, DMM, one fucking job!

I mean, 30% assault at FLB SL30 is pretty good imo, at least for me.

[Slashley]

I mean, 30% assault at FLB SL30 is pretty good imo, at least for me.Compared to 21% Assault/Exceed and 15% Assault/secondary? No, no it isn't. There's a reason why double/triple skill weapons are so valuable.

This locks you down to one weapon type (since the second weapon is 100% useless). I haven't checked what the 30% FLBs are, but unless they're literally all Lances/Glaives/Bows/Hammers then welp, there's another reason why this change is so goddamn awful.

[Nik]

Compared to 21% Assault/Exceed and 15% Assault/secondary? No, no it isn't. There's a reason why double/triple skill weapons are so valuable.

This locks you down to one weapon type (since the second weapon is 100% useless). I haven't checked what the 30% FLBs are, but unless they're literally all Lances/Glaives/Bows/Hammers then welp, there's another reason why this change is so goddamn awful.

Were they ever gonna give f2p players better options though?

[Slashley]

Were they ever gonna give f2p players better options though? Like the Union events that we have right now, you mean? Like this:
Exceed weapons for all elements. How are new players gonna get Exceeds now? I thing they're giving them from the Olympia raids, but have fun farming that shit as a new player.
Water gets a straight up fucking amazing Glaive Grid.
Thunder gets a Gun Grid, which isn't ideal, but it's... okay? At least as long as you fight Water/Phantom, due to the Guns having shitty Crit on them.
Wind gets a passive PF Grid. It might not be a Phantom Grid, but it's still a passive 240% Burst damage Grid. On an element that's stupid fast to begin with.
Veterans get a Light healing Grid, just like that. How are newer players gonna tackle this DoT spam shit?
Dark gets an Axe Grid, which by itself isn't really anything to write home about, but dem 15% Assault + Pride bonus + 18% HP Axes are no fucking joke. I'll take that shit over 30% Assault ANY day. Also, nearly a complete Hammer Grid just from events, with all the Exceed you'll ever need.

Only Fire gets fucked over by Demons, whileas with Angels, you have... you have... okay fine, I'll look it up. Fire gets Glaive, Dark gets Lance, Thunder gets Axes, Water gets Staves... Light and Wind aren't out yet. So yeah, Thunder and Water are thoroughly shafted, Fire and Dark are fine-ish once you get a bundle of them... which uh... apparently isn't very fast since there's been four Union events over the course of eight months. So they happen every TWO months now, and you only get 250 Holy Soul Points? Holy shit, that means that it'll take new players TEN MONTHS to reach Shingen. Wow. Just... wow.
One.
FUCKING.
JOB.
DMM.

Jesus fucking christ the whole fucking Angel thing pisses me off so badly. How can they fuck this up so much?

[dreamlitz]

I still can't believe they did this. The Angel UE weapons are so fucking AWFUL that it is stunning.

Fucking hell DMM, if you want to continue the life cycle of a game, you need to make it so that new players can CATCH UP, not GET LEFT FUCKING BEHIND even more!! One job, DMM, one fucking job!

You can buy phantom weapons in the new shop that comes out around like April or something iirc. That is quite a power boost for new players - all disaster + phantom weapon can almost rival a full SSR grid. Combined with nerfed ults and rags, they'll start farming magna probably within a few months of play if they're active.


EDIT:

So they happen every TWO months now, and you only get 250 Holy Soul Points? Holy shit, that means that it'll take new players TEN MONTHS to reach Shingen.

You can also buy HSP from that new shop. Limited to 100/month if I'm not misreading, so it'll still take a while, but for those that aren't active enough to join a decent union, you can still unlock Shingen and Morgan eventually.

[Nik]

Like the Union events that we have right now, you mean? Like this:
Exceed weapons for all elements. How are new players gonna get Exceeds now? I thing they're giving them from the Olympia raids, but have fun farming that shit as a new player.
Water gets a straight up fucking amazing Glaive Grid.
Thunder gets a Gun Grid, which isn't ideal, but it's... okay? At least as long as you fight Water/Phantom, due to the Guns having shitty Crit on them.
Wind gets a passive PF Grid. It might not be a Phantom Grid, but it's still a passive 240% Burst damage Grid. On an element that's stupid fast to begin with.
Veterans get a Light healing Grid, just like that. How are newer players gonna tackle this DoT spam shit?
Dark gets an Axe Grid, which by itself isn't really anything to write home about, but dem 15% Assault + Pride bonus + 18% HP Axes are no fucking joke. I'll take that shit over 30% Assault ANY day. Also, nearly a complete Hammer Grid just from events, with all the Exceed you'll ever need.

Only Fire gets fucked over by Demons, whileas with Angels, you have... you have... okay fine, I'll look it up. Fire gets Glaive, Dark gets Lance, Thunder gets Axes, Water gets Staves... Light and Wind aren't out yet. So yeah, Thunder and Water are thoroughly shafted, Fire and Dark are fine-ish once you get a bundle of them... which uh... apparently isn't very fast since there's been four Union events over the course of eight months. So they happen every TWO months now, and you only get 250 Holy Soul Points? Holy shit, that means that it'll take new players TEN MONTHS to reach Shingen. Wow. Just... wow.
One.
FUCKING.
JOB.
DMM.

Jesus fucking christ the whole fucking Angel thing pisses me off so badly. How can they fuck this up so much?

Well of you're looking at it holistically it does seem pretty bad. I was only comparing the weapons...so far the only difference seems to be demon weps have an flb, but angel weps pretty much match the stats of demon weps without flb.
Demon weps have extra burst effects also while angels dont...not sure how much value is placed on those.

[Kitty]

on another note, Frigg without glasses is cute~
https://static-r.kamihimeproject.net/scenarios/fgimage/furiggu_meganenashi_00_h-75840f5e71f565a5057431bb715d78d06542e8d7.png

[Slashley]

-- Combined with nerfed ults and rags,--I don't think they're nerfing Ults? Well, they're giving a MASSIVE HP nerf to Ult Dark (because fuck that guy), and a minor (rather insignificant) HP nerf to Water and Light Ults. But with no mechanics changes, they won't be very accessible to newer players.

No idea about the Rag nerfs, though.
You can also buy HSP from that new shop. Limited to 100/month if I'm not misreading, so it'll still take a while, but for those that aren't active enough to join a decent union, you can still unlock Shingen and Morgan eventually.And there totally isn't a better use for whatever currency that shop uses? Because usually, there is. Which pointlessly slows down newer players, when they should be speeding up instead.
Well of you're looking at it holistically it does seem pretty bad. I was only comparing the weapons...so far the only difference seems to be demon weps have an flb, but angel weps pretty much match the stats of demon weps without flb.Angel weapons need their FLB too. The difference is:
1. Demon weapons are dual-skill, which inherently way more powerful than single-skill weapons. Like for Advent weapons, would you rather get 8% more Assault, or 5% more Assault and 15% more HP?
2. There are two good Demon weapons, and one out of the two is an Exceed weapon. While you don't need much Exceeds, you do need one or two (if you own a P2W Eidolon). Angel weapons? There's one Assault weapon, and one total fucking garbage one.
Demon weps have extra burst effects also while angels dont...not sure how much value is placed on those.None whatsoever, since you always use Soul Weapons anyway.

[Nik]

Fuck I think i was looking at the wrong thing. Was on the JP wiki. Was looking at guardian angels, but it's actually the seraph stuff isn't it?

[Kitty]

lmao Seraph weapons and Guardian weapons are on a WHOOOOLE notha level.

[Itoshira]

Boi were do I even start.

Lets get some things straighten up at first.
I will not go into detail about newer players, they have totally different issues to solve first and Exceed weapons aint one of them.

Raid Medal Shop: Easy to get your shit in a couple days (if you aim for the big ones a couple more days) work. Here is a run down of your daily income doing your (probably?) usual daily Raid-Routine (Soloing).

Standard: 2 Medals per run
Expert: 3 Medals per run
Ultimate: 7 Medals per run

Lets sum up: (2 + 3 + 7) x 18 = 216 Medals a day.

Rags and Guardians are a different story, so I go by detail of the rewards.

Ragnarok-Raids (Cata & Guardian)

Hosting: 9
MVP: 3
Participation: 3

Since you gonna do 1 Guardian per day anyways to get your Och (Phantom Guardian) Raid, it is 24 extra, which makes it 240 Medals per day.
Hunting down other peeps Och/Guardians/Rags means, in less then 8 days you got a copy of a phantom weapon of your choice. If not needed, other convinient stuff like Prem. Tickets, Dragon Eyes, Shards, Orichalcum or the quite expensive Pages for T4-Soul Books.

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Union Event

I dont even know why this is an issue at all. Either you need the weapon or not is up to anyone themself. Some people still to this day get destroyed with their amazing teams because they got like no Defender weapons in their grids and neglect the fact that you actually need to survive shit to get something. 30% is a lot and can ease out a lot of problems some elements have. Players that are neither new nor long time player should have interest in those 2 weapons. They are a big boost for just one slot each.

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Guardians

It is harder to farm Magna then farming Globes. Guardians are and will be a all time flavour of the month and you just need to tag them for a 50/50 roll on a Globe. You are also always guaranteed a Fragment which 10 can be converted into into a Globe (Batch-Type system, cost increases after the first batch is bought).
The first copy of a weapon needs 20 Globes, next 30, then 50 and last 75. This is on a monthly reset like most other shops of the game and will reset back to the first value.
Obviously you get some more Globes if you host them and if you are lucky, you may also drop a weapon, but that's up to RNG. Oh and Regalia can drop aswell, so you can get a slight refund on hosting.

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Light & Dark Ultimate Nerf

Light Ultimate gets some major nerfs that make it far easier as it is right now. One big one is, normal OD doesnt dispel anymore, so this already helps out a lot.
Secondly: The 50% Trigger only happens now once for the whole raid. 500k HP one time, Atk, Light Atk and Def buff (NO Dark Resist buff). No more newly joining triggers and refreshing buffs by people joining late.

Dark Ult also gets some massive nerfs. -7m HP down, no more dispel. Overheat is now Burn and can be cleansed, only 3 turn duration. No more def buff. Affliction damage reduced (cap 500).
And if I'm not mistaken also - Rampage gone.

[dreamlitz]

I don't think they're nerfing Ults? Well, they're giving a MASSIVE HP nerf to Ult Dark (because fuck that guy), and a minor (rather insignificant) HP nerf to Water and Light Ults.

Got ninja-ed on this one.


But with no mechanics changes, they won't be very accessible to newer players.

I'm not sure, only dark ult is not solo-able right now without a solid grid though. If you have a decent team, the other ults should be close to solo-able with full disaster phantom grid once you've unlocked a few T3 souls and have a full event eido grid. This is especially the case if ppl are willing to spend $30 for the beginner mtix that matches the element from their guaranteed SSR roll or the 100% they re-rolled into.


No idea about the Rag nerfs, though.

I was thinking the light rag, which imo is the hardest rag by far. That one gets nerfed severely around the end of the year iirc. The changes I can remember off the top of my head are:
a. Main boss no longer instantly rages on turn 7
b. Top add no longer casts that ridiculous dmg cut + light atk up combo (only the atk/def up combo)
c. Main boss' death beams are no longer locked onto a single target but is actually randomly scattered

I think thunder rag's zapping also got nerfed from 10 to 5 zaps, but dun quote me on that one.

Not sure if there are other nerfs, I paid most attention to light as usual...


And there totally isn't a better use for whatever currency that shop uses? Because usually, there is. Which pointlessly slows down newer players, when they should be speeding up instead.

Actually, there're all sorts of goodies from that shop, but the currency can just be farmed from regular raids. If I read the wiki correctly, hosting and mvp-ing all standard, expert and ultimate raids gets you 216 medals a day, so that works out to over 6000 per month. Rags can get you more. You probably want to grab all of the following:


All tickets - 1125 medals
All draconic eyes and shards - 1450 medals
All HSP - 500 medals - not that expensive!
A phantom weapon - 2000 medals/weapon - each type limited to 1/month, so you can MLB it in 4 months without doing a single rag


That still leaves you about 1000 spare medals, which you can use to buy ori to get ori shop weapons without even doing GO, or just save them for FLBs. You can also use those medals to trade for pages needed for T4 soul, but I think it's ok that new players can't unlock them that quickly.


None whatsoever, since you always use Soul Weapons anyway.

Actually, I have used non-soul weapons for GO, 'cos some souls are just not worth investing a soul weapon in until you start the T4 soul grind (looking at you Sieg, who's GO mission this week >.>)

Outside of that, if you're slightly crazy like me, occasionally you'll have builds that use T2 souls instead of T3, in which case the soul weapon bonuses dun apply. Those situations are extremely rare though, so for all intents and purposes, weapon burst effects are useless as Slashley stated.


Fuck I think i was looking at the wrong thing. Was on the JP wiki. Was looking at guardian angels, but it's actually the seraph stuff isn't it?

Lol, yeah seraph replaced demon for UE. Guardian weapons are generally very solid, but completely inaccessible to newbies.

[Geo]

But alongside these Angels, won't there be some permanent Raid Event feature? So, instead (or in addition) of using Eidolon Orbs and Orichalcos, the player can have easier access to past Eidolons, Raid Kamihime and Weapons.

I mean, if that is the case (not sure), it seems to be a good compromise - weaker Union Events weapons in exchange for permanently available past content.

The Union Events don't seem to be that noob-friendly anyway. Maybe DMM thought, "new players feel bad because they can't get those sweet weapons. Maybe if the weapons were a tad weaker, these people wouldn't feel like they are missing out on content". Dunno, maybe they made their marketing research.

Don't get me wrong I like my Assault and Pride Weapons with cool burst effects, but those weren't easy to get! I could build my grid faster if past Raids were available when I first started.

[Itoshira]

You probably mean the Epic Quests which are previous Raid Events nerfed down to be 1-Turn-Solo-Content. Yes, that happens in the near future aswell.

[Geo]

You probably mean the Epic Quests which are previous Raid Events nerfed down to be 1-Turn-Solo-Content. Yes, that happens in the near future aswell.

Yes, I meant these Epic Quests! Maybe DMM made a Market Research after all, instead of "not doing their homework". Also, the Japanese playerbase may have different psychology. For one I believe most whales are from Asia, so they would be more willing to purchase more often, which can be a factor behind nerfing the rewards from UE.

[Kitty]

tfw finds Set when Frigg rates are up
kek

[Slashley]

So, this event has ended. For future reference, here are the winners:Experts:
1. Isekai 1374
2. Susurrus 1071
3. 50CM 857
4. ToF 855
5. =Akatsuki= 831
6. Axis Mundi 790
7. Perfection 725
8. Drama Club 669
9. Пандорика (Pandorika) 666
10. Ixion 633
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12. DarkHell 585
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15. 談笑颩甡學習俓驗 (Talking and laughing) 544
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17. Amaterasu 512
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??. Weeb Wanks

Ultimates:
1. Isekai 1319
2. Susurrus 1078
3. ToF 1053
4. DarkHell 1039
5. Ixion 899
6. Drama Club 763
7. Пандорика (Pandorika) 751
8. =Akatsuki= 747
9. Amaterasu 710
10. Axis Mundi 680
11. 50CM 663
12. Weeb Wanks 661
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17. Perfection 544
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19. 談笑颩甡學習俓驗 (Talking and laughing) 488

PP:
1. geoffchu 216m (Isekai)
2. davy 211m (ToF)
3. Umarekawatta Senshi 160m (Isekai)
4. Creedmoor 143 m (DarkHell)
5. BadRiddance 140m (Susurrus)
6. Astluh 139m (DarkHell)
7. ArturPL 131m (Susurrus)
8. Hinakokoasan 125m (Weeb Wanks)
9. Yumika Ojou 125m (=Akatsuki=)
10. Rori Juice 115m (Isekai)
11. Raven 110m (Isekai)
12. WhatIconceal 106m (Ixion)
13. Vinh 105m (Isekai)
14. Sora 101m (Susurrus)
15. Jaded 100m (DarkHell)
16. VERYVOODOO 91m (Ixion)
17. michylawhty 91m (Ixion)
18. AsD2038 90m (談笑颩甡學習俓驗 (Talking and laughing))
19. Hinyu 87m (Drama Club)
20. DbHuntzz 86m (ToF)Good work, everyone.