Thread: Fake Lay

Did a reset to cash in my bonus, the level of girls in the challenge seems much easier than what I was getting. Is the matchmaking tied to your unlocks as well, or did they tune the matches a bit.

I guess in this game not have luck with he event the christmas still not can win first battle versus santa. All others game already finish without problem the events. Only in this not have luck always fight versus player with +800.000 all stats.

Originally Posted by qti

I guess in this game not have luck with he event the christmas still not can win first battle versus santa. All others game already finish without problem the events. Only in this not have luck always fight versus player with +800.000 all stats.

Fight against Santa have little to do with luck - his girl's stats are fixed on each level. What are the stats of your event girls? Do you train her or not? First Santa girl's stats are 6.3k/6.3k/6.6k. So you only need to train your girl for 2 days to get to 10k+ in first two stats to be able to complete the battle. If you still can't finish first battle, it's not about luck, you are just doing something wrong.

Fine here a comun battle and later; press button change and get this battle; sometimes is worst players with more the 3millon is stats have.
And not have time for train other girl for fight santa; each like 10hours the train only get 1770 points in stats. Later i see what they change at each 4 hours.



Later the press change



And this is the friendly match

And not have time for train other girl for fight santa;

Then why are you complaining that you can't beat Santa if you don't train girl that should be fighting? It's not about luck, it's about energy and time management.

I see you have 50 energy slots reserved for skills. Why so much? After a certain time after reset you only need three-four skills that you actually plan to reach this run and which will unlock next girl stages. Skills that require a week or more don't give you anything because you will do a reset before you reach them. You need full skill list only if it is less than 10 hours since your last reset and you didn't get to 28 on most of them yet. Or unless you do a very very long run and even then girls will need 6 out of 10 skills at max. You have 76 total energy, so you must be close to completing Pantless and finished all girls before her, and unlocked next three girls. Pantless requires Acting, Artistry, Body Building. Next 4 girls will also need Tricks, Filming, Humor for first few levels (other skill requirements are 28, so you must have reached those already). You can leave these 6 skills on training and remove the other 4 and you will be able to send 2 more girls to practice (event girl and best girl that you have unlocked). You should always be practicing with your best girl (actually two best girls - one that has higher stats currently and one that has higher potential stats out of those that you unlocked, that will become your next active girl) because if you don't you will just stay behind the crowd and won't be able to reach normal placement. The better your girl the less often you get unwinnable battles in challenge. With 700k/400k/300k Ice I got to tier 18 this run (I usually ended up at tier 12-13 when each battle after win becomes a lose). But even when 50% of battles are losses you still get a lot of cash from them.

each like 10hours the train only get 1770 points in stats

It's 10,302 per 1 day for 10 energy slots on event girl. You need to choose last practice option (4 hour) and use arrows to increase the time amount up to 1 day. I recommend to at least get one or two costumes for your main girls from this event. 75% bonus to all three stats is totally worth the few days of training.

Also you didn't say what rank you are currently in a challenge. Maybe you were lucky and managed to climb high enough already so now most enemies will be hard for you.

Originally Posted by ThanatosX

Did a reset to cash in my bonus, the level of girls in the challenge seems much easier than what I was getting. Is the matchmaking tied to your unlocks as well, or did they tune the matches a bit.

I don't know for sure, but this week it actually looks easier to score higher. Even at tier 18 now I still get two 100k-300k girls and one 1M+ out of three tries. Maybe they did tune something or maybe it's just a lucky streak.

Mmm when i complain i tell only not have luck already play 16 games online for day and now too doing disgaea 5 the ps4 for the platinum. Too work lol. I only tell what not have luck in this game. The other 15 i already finish all event the christmas almost each one first 4 day the play.

And i already have Indira unlocked; and train Pantress how backup for Sanshi.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why is it not realistic (devs requiring payments of $10k is not that unrealistic in ftp games)?
How do you apply common sense in ftp games (common sense would be that devs would try to cover all range of whales from $100 investors, that are barely whales, to $100,000 investors, that have crazy incomes and don't even look at how much they spend on such games)?
How do you know the stats of number 1 whale if you can't see his Mistlehoe (event girl stats are not shown anywhere as far as I know)?
How do you know that those observations were done with a limited scope (the info was given by some Ashes person in Discord and there is no information what it was based on, maybe it was done on full scope)?
Why is 600k is the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked (I can beat 300k in tournament, but only 30k in event, so I don't see how those values are related)?
How is the amount of girls unlocked even connects to event (even if you unlock all girls you may not be using your best one in tournament and even if you didn't unlock any girls at all, you still can upgrade event girl)?
Why do you think that last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings (first 4-5 gifts may be for free players, next 5 for paying players and last 5 for whales of different amount of spending habits)?
You are making so many suggestions based on nothing that you sound stupid yourself.

It's 30 gems/10k for me, to speed up daily training for event girl. So to get 100M in each stat you need 3*100,000/10*30=900,000gems=900*6500 nutaku gold=9*65*100$=$58,500. This does not account for 3 boosts that can be used (20% to each stats from all three, I think are the best) and special costume (another 70%), so actual number can be around $25k. The number looks crazy to me too, but who knows what developers think... And who knows how much whales spend (in Marvel Puzzle Quest, that I played for some time, some whales spent tens thousands dollars on each new character release to max cover and max champ it as soon as possible, so it is not unusual)...

Anyway, that 100m calculation was based on ThanatosX post who mentioned some Ashes person, I have no idea who that is and how reliable is his info or where he got it. Maybe it's a whale who already got everything done, maybe it's a developer, maybe just a person who collected pictures from everyone else and made a suggestion for stat progression based on 2 levels. But anyway, attacking DShanks who didn't make any assumptions and just did calculations based on ThanatosX info was stupid. Either you should have replied to ThanatosX that his info may be incorrect or joined Discord and contacted that Ashes person to find what his info is based on. Right now this is the only piece of info that we have and I, by completing first two levels and seeing stat requirements for next one, can't disprove it yet. I doubt you can too, when all you are relying on is common sense that you don't show any.

Paranoia is not a good reason to assume the stupid ideas are true, and this game isn't a plain cashgrab unlike the DMM games and anything with marvel in its name. There is no reason to assume that this game is that bad, especially because it has shown to be in the lower spending range. Just because some games are blatant cash grabs, it doesn't mean you can act like a paranoid idiot and throw away common sense and go for conclusions that conflict with everything this game has shown so far.

How do I apply common sense? By comparing all evidence we have available and the past behavior of the developers to determine the most likely scenario.
How do I know the stats of the number one whale? Because they are publicly visible for all to see.
How do I know it was a limited scope? Because the provided data only covered a part of the whole picture, and thus it isn't representative of the whole picture. It only shows the initial situation, and nothing beyond that.
Why are unlocked girls relevant? Because higher girls have an easier time at increasing their levels, and having more girls unlocked means you have a higher Stamina, which in turn increases your chances at winning even if the opponents Stamina is identical.
Why do I think the last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings? See question 2.
I'm not making any suggestions based on nothing, I'm just not providing the reasoning behind them because anyone who is capable of using the information is capable of finding it themselves.

Ashes is the games number one whale, we can see his stats on the ingame leaderboards, the one that's visible to everyone. If the event girl stats go above someones main girl, you can see the event girl listed as their best. It's easy to see that none of the people with the max fame required more than 1 million to get through the event, and that has been visible for a while now.

DShanks did make an assumption, a very stupid one at that. There was nothing that indicated that it would be that bad, and the past behavior from the devs actually shows that it would be highly unlikely for that to be the case, especially when combined with the leaderboard information that outright makes his assumption impossible (even at the time he posted his stupidity for all to see). I don't show any common sense according to you, but at least I can properly use the information that's available to us. Thanatos provided data that was correct, DShanks made a stupid conclusion because he wasn't able to think things through and ignored information.

Originally Posted by soviras

Paranoia is not a good reason to assume the stupid ideas are true

Sorry, but neither me, nor DShanks assumed anything, it was just a calculation based on some info. If info is incorrect then calculation would be incorrect too.

Thanatos provided data that was correct, DShanks made a stupid conclusion because he wasn't able to think things through and ignored information.

ThanatosX only said that Santa doubles his stats after every win. Dshanks said that based on this 15th level will have 100M stats. If someone says to you that his monthly earnings are $1,000 you won't be stupid if you calculate that this person's yearly earnings are $12,000. That's just common logic and math and not an assumption. If info from ThanatosX is correct, then calculation based on this info is correct and results of those calculations are correct, if info is incorrect then calculation would still be correct just based on wrong info, so will give incorrect results. If you are saying that ThanatosX' info is correct but DShanks results are wrong, then you are logically contradicting yourself.

and this game isn't a plain cashgrab unlike the DMM games and anything with marvel in its name.

Sorry, but I don't see this. Do you know much cash is required to reach the final girl by now? How much cash is required to upgrade her to 5M stats? The required spending are hidden in this game compared to Marvel. I played MPQ game without paying anything and was able to get every character. A little later than whales, that would get them right after release, but still, everything there was accessible for free, you just needed to play the game. Here I can't imagine yet how long it will take to reach final girl. But skill requirements already are really high - level 34->35 skill requires 8 days, last girl requires level 49 skill and each increase almost doubles the requirement. So 14 levels means 8000x8 days? I will surely need a lot of multipliers.

and go for conclusions that conflict with everything this game has shown so far.

What exactly this game showed that make you believe that developers can't do that? I see a large wall after completing Pantress. I see that they made cost for time warp increase after you buy some - that's usually a sign of bad marketing, the more you buy, the more cash you need to buy next one and you are already invested in a game, so you have to spend that. I see >$50 price for 1000 gems. I see a girl being sold for >$50 and you can't get her just by playing. You can't even reach all gifts by playing in a reasonable time. So there are a lot of things that show that devs intend to have a lot of content in this game restricted to whales.

How do I apply common sense? By comparing all evidence we have available and the past behavior of the developers to determine the most likely scenario.

I provided some evidence that shows that developers do restrict things to whales, so common sense would say that discussed situation is possible. If some things are restricted from ftp players, then we can safely assume that some things will be restricted from players who pay up to $10 only, some things will be restricted from players who pay up to $100 only, etc. It is a first event like this so devs can't estimate yet how much largest whale can spend, so they may make requirements up to $10,000 just in case. Second event will have better values because there would be a basis to do estimation already.

How do I know the stats of the number one whale? Because they are publicly visible for all to see.
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Ashes is the games number one whale, we can see his stats on the ingame leaderboards, the one that's visible to everyone. If the event girl stats go above someones main girl, you can see the event girl listed as their best. It's easy to see that none of the people with the max fame required more than 1 million to get through the event, and that has been visible for a while now.

Ok, I didn't know that Mistlehoe would appear on leaderboard as I thought that it was for challenge only, so event girl would be excluded from it. This means that no one has a girl with higher than 5M stats yet, I agree. But do we know if whales actually finished the event already or did they just stop spending?

How do I know it was a limited scope? Because the provided data only covered a part of the whole picture, and thus it isn't representative of the whole picture. It only shows the initial situation, and nothing beyond that.

What data are you talking about? There was no data at all, it was just a phrase "Santa doubles his stats each time you win.". That's all. Unless you know more story before that phrase. If it was something like "Based on first 3 battles Santa doubles his stats each time you win" I would agree with you, but there was no such thing. Well, actually later ThanatosX did mention that he made an estimate based on 4/5 outfits from free training so now we know that this theory is correct for first five levels, but have no proof that it is correct after that. But we didn't know this in few days when it was just posted.

DShanks did make an assumption, a very stupid one at that.

He didn't. He made a calculation, not an assumption.

I am currently seeing requirements for level 5 they do show that first 5 levels follow this theory. Also I agree with ThanatosX that it actually does not matter how stats behave after level 5 as they are not reachable for free to play players anyway and I am also playing as ftp.

Just in case you still miss it, I'll repeat my position: I don't blindly believe that discussed theory (Santa doubling his stats each level) is correct for later levels. I can't believe it until we have proof, for example, whales posting all stats on a wiki or just info that they already finished the event or something. But I also don't see that it is not possible that this theory is true, a lot of things that we see now show that it is possible. And no matter if theory is true or not this does not make DShanks calculations incorrect or stupid, they were based on this theory and only mean that if theory is true, then results of those calculations are also true. If it happens that theory is wrong, then calculations will still be correct, but results will be wrong because they were based on wrong theory. So there is no reason to blame a person who did calculations for what he did, you can just say that you don't agree with the theory and think that results are incorrect and that's enough. No one will argue with you based on that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry, but neither me, nor DShanks assumed anything, it was just a calculation based on some info. If info is incorrect then calculation would be incorrect too.


ThanatosX only said that Santa doubles his stats after every win. Dshanks said that based on this 15th level will have 100M stats. If someone says to you that his monthly earnings are $1,000 you won't be stupid if you calculate that this person's yearly earnings are $12,000. That's just common logic and math and not an assumption. If info from ThanatosX is correct, then calculation based on this info is correct and results of those calculations are correct, if info is incorrect then calculation would still be correct just based on wrong info, so will give incorrect results. If you are saying that ThanatosX' info is correct but DShanks results are wrong, then you are logically contradicting yourself.

Sorry, but I don't see this. Do you know much cash is required to reach the final girl by now? How much cash is required to upgrade her to 5M stats? The required spending are hidden in this game compared to Marvel. I played MPQ game without paying anything and was able to get every character. A little later than whales, that would get them right after release, but still, everything there was accessible for free, you just needed to play the game. Here I can't imagine yet how long it will take to reach final girl. But skill requirements already are really high - level 34->35 skill requires 8 days, last girl requires level 49 skill and each increase almost doubles the requirement. So 14 levels means 8000x8 days? I will surely need a lot of multipliers.

What exactly this game showed that make you believe that developers can't do that? I see a large wall after completing Pantress. I see that they made cost for time warp increase after you buy some - that's usually a sign of bad marketing, the more you buy, the more cash you need to buy next one and you are already invested in a game, so you have to spend that. I see >$50 price for 1000 gems. I see a girl being sold for >$50 and you can't get her just by playing. You can't even reach all gifts by playing in a reasonable time. So there are a lot of things that show that devs intend to have a lot of content in this game restricted to whales.

I provided some evidence that shows that developers do restrict things to whales, so common sense would say that discussed situation is possible. If some things are restricted from ftp players, then we can safely assume that some things will be restricted from players who pay up to $10 only, some things will be restricted from players who pay up to $100 only, etc. It is a first event like this so devs can't estimate yet how much largest whale can spend, so they may make requirements up to $10,000 just in case. Second event will have better values because there would be a basis to do estimation already.


Ok, I didn't know that Mistlehoe would appear on leaderboard as I thought that it was for challenge only, so event girl would be excluded from it. This means that no one has a girl with higher than 5M stats yet, I agree. But do we know if whales actually finished the event already or did they just stop spending?

What data are you talking about? There was no data at all, it was just a phrase "Santa doubles his stats each time you win.". That's all. Unless you know more story before that phrase. If it was something like "Based on first 3 battles Santa doubles his stats each time you win" I would agree with you, but there was no such thing. Well, actually later ThanatosX did mention that he made an estimate based on 4/5 outfits from free training so now we know that this theory is correct for first five levels, but have no proof that it is correct after that. But we didn't know this in few days when it was just posted.

He didn't. He made a calculation, not an assumption.

I am currently seeing requirements for level 5 they do show that first 5 levels follow this theory. Also I agree with ThanatosX that it actually does not matter how stats behave after level 5 as they are not reachable for free to play players anyway and I am also playing as ftp.

Just in case you still miss it, I'll repeat my position: I don't blindly believe that discussed theory (Santa doubling his stats each level) is correct for later levels. I can't believe it until we have proof, for example, whales posting all stats on a wiki or just info that they already finished the event or something. But I also don't see that it is not possible that this theory is true, a lot of things that we see now show that it is possible. And no matter if theory is true or not this does not make DShanks calculations incorrect or stupid, they were based on this theory and only mean that if theory is true, then results of those calculations are also true. If it happens that theory is wrong, then calculations will still be correct, but results will be wrong because they were based on wrong theory. So there is no reason to blame a person who did calculations for what he did, you can just say that you don't agree with the theory and think that results are incorrect and that's enough. No one will argue with you based on that.

He assumed one thing, that everything would follow the same pattern despite proof of the opposite already existing. That is why he calculated it the way he did. Monthly earnings are usually consistent and there is a history of it being that way, especially with how employment contracts usually work. The stat growth for the event is in a very different context. You can not apply a calculation to determine any unknown value without making an assumption first. Thanatos can provide correct info while the calculations are wrong because of the mistaken assumption that it will still follow that pattern after the end of the provided data.

You can max out your speed, which is all you need to complete all girls in a reasonable amount of time, with just 35$ worth in gems. I know this, because I did just that. Already earned back most of the gems I used too, seeing how often the game gives them out for free. You can even get enough free gems on a regular basis from events and achievements to get max speed without spending anything. I have access to all girls and currently have 15 million total speed, and only spent that initial 35$. Bringing a girl to 5 million? That is free, if you are patient. I'm at 1.5 million for my Indira, and I haven't spent money on upgrading her. Thanks to the holiday outfit I will be getting ~100k per day. Also if you want to know, getting a girl to 5 million instantly is just 100$, but there isn't any reason to do that other than showing off (it doesn't actually help you).

The reasons the game has shown that it wouldn't be that bad are simple; the costs are very low, there are a lot of free gems that cover most of what you need and there isn't a major advantage to spending more. You get the speed maxed out, and you're don't need more investments. Some content is restricted to paying players, but nothing has had an absurd price. The skills also don't "almost double the requirements every level", they only have major increases every 8-9 levels. I can know, I've gone all the way up to 50 on every skill. It also isn't the first event, it's the second, they even made participation more accessible rather than less.

We also know that whales did finish the event already, after all, the event gives fame and there's multiple people with the same amount of fame as ashes, who shared all the outfits and is known to have completed it. Each of those people completed the event. We could already see a whale with sub-600k stats on his dipfroat on the leaderboards at the time Thanatos posted his message, with the same amount of fame as Ashes and thus we could know that he completed it.

Thanatos and DShanks are both on the discord, and the information they both used was posted there first. The exact stats for the first 5 levels were posted there. Also you can easily beat up to 10 levels as f2p, assuming you are consistently training and don't spend too many attempts on regular challenges, because you always have a chance at winning. If your stamina is high enough, the bonus it gives you will let you beat all 15, without even going over 100k stats. Win chance (base) is estimated at 1 + (your stamina / 1000 -1) - (enemy stamina - your stamina) / 500 = chance (%), and you can't go below this chance or 1% no matter what the other stats are.

DShanks made an assumption in order to decide on making that calculation. Despite there being proof of the contrary, he assumed that the doubling trend would continue throughout all of it. If he didn't assume that was the case, he wouldn't have made that calculation. There has been proof of it not being the case for as long as the first message complaining about it came out. The assumption was stupid because he could already see for himself that it was not the case. You keep saying there is no proof of it not being the case, but the proof is visible to anyone who bothers looking and it's been there since before DShanks even posted.

I do a try more in the event and finaly win first battle at santa; second battle he double the stats. But i am fine now have a clothes for pantress.