Thread: Fake Lay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So haw far are you in event?

As I can see for me, level 32 required 1 day, level 33 required 3 days, level 34 requires 7 days, not sure how much will be required later, maybe it will slow down.

It is the first event with such model. Where you have to fight fixed stat enemies, not random people. What do you mean by participation being more accessible - I got 7 rewards in 1st event, I got 4 and maybe will get 5th one in current one. So if participation is reward then it is less accessible, not more. I do like that they allowed people to get equipment for higher tier girls that are not unlocked yet.

Sorry, I don't follow logic here. How do we know that Ashes completed the event? If it was discussed on discord don't assume that it is a common knowledge as not everyone is there. How a whale with sub-600k stats on dipfroat (the girl that can be bought for gems) show us anything about event? Can she participate in event and fight herself or is she added as a normal girl, and then I don't see how she is relevant to event. I do get the idea about looking at fame. Each challenge rewarded 500 fame at max level, so those that are at the top did complete same amount of levels in event. So if Ashes completed it, then everyone else with same score did too. But still don't see where do we know that he did complete it. So "we" don't know that whales finished the event already, this means it is not common knowledge.

Where did you get this formula?

There was no accessible proof. All proof that you provided required some hidden knowledge that is not visible if you follow this thread and certainly not if you look at one post and have an experience of ftp player. You can't estimate how much $ you need to invest before you start investing or someone shares his values. Now you provided that value and we know it ($35 to get unlock all girls except special event girl). You can't know that estimate was made based on first few girls (you needed to access separate medium - discord to do that). And even if theory is wrong right away, for example someone can say now "each level tripples Santa's stats" and we already know that it is an incorrect theory, then someone else saying "then last level will require 30B" would not make his calculations incorrect or stupid.

Anyway if a lot of people (I see 12 with 4k fame on leaderboards) completed the event, I am sure there would be some info about required stats for final level already. Why is not it around yet? Can anyone care to share?

I'm done already, I'm one of the people with 4k fame.

The event is easier, even my test account which only has the free girl at <40k stats and less than 1k stamina finished it... Thus it's more accessible. I could even provide the exact stats, but why would I? At the time I posted that I estimated it to be <600k I had yet to complete it, but it isn't even incorrect and I was able to determine that by considering what would be reasonable by looking at how things were handled before.

How do we know Ashes completed the event? Because he has all the outfits, which was posted here as well as in the Discord, in addition to him getting a rounded Fame value, which only happens if you get all the Fame that the event has to offer. "We" know it because we are all capable of seeing that he got all the Fame in the leaderboards. This is common knowledge, because everyone can click on the leaderboards and see it for themselves. You can even take it one step further, as a lot of people below 4k Fame have values that they can only get if they completed the event, as nothing other than a specific combination of ranks in addition to the full event reward would result in the amount they have, but that would be a bit more effort than I would expect people to take.

The formula used to be included in the games javascript, it was removed for a while now, because it didn't really serve much of a purpose other than being part of something that emulated the fight on the client side using a seed it received from the server. Currently the game just receives all the info it needs from the server, rather than calculating it locally.

The leaderboards are not hidden knowledge. The fact that Ashes has the outfits and completed the event are not hidden knowledge.
I also never said his calculations were stupid, but the assumption he made based on the information that was available to him was. Without that assumption, he would not have calculated it to begin with and he wouldn't have thrown a tantrum.

Like I said earlier, I could share but I don't want to. There isn't anything for me to gain from it, and people would still give up on things before they start trying.

The reason whales wouldn't buy the fight renewal is also simple, there aren't a lot of people who would search through the games code every update and it was only in there during the first few days of the halloween event, and the discord is mostly inactive. The only whales on the discord are me and Ashes, the rest of the people are f2p. The majority wouldn't even know they could try it, much less actually try it. The reason I brought it up is because it shows that you have a chance at getting more as a free player than you were aware of.

Here is a screenshot of my testing account, after you finish the event it lets you use them for normal fights:

Originally Posted by soviras

The majority wouldn't even know they could try it

Thanks a lot. I noticed that I could win with lower stats, but that there seems to be a hard capping to your chance of winning is ... very good to know. Better to say a hard capping of your chance to loose.

Originally Posted by soviras

I'm done already, I'm one of the people with 4k fame.

Finally, at least some actual information that you know what you are talking about instead of just guessing with us based on the info that was provided in that short post and basic experience from the game itself.

How do we know Ashes completed the event? Because he has all the outfits, which was posted here as well as in the Discord, in addition to him getting a rounded Fame value, which only happens if you get all the Fame that the event has to offer.

He could have collected pictures from several other people and gathered them together or could have used several account like you. At the time of posting we didn't know that he had all girls, we knew that he somehow got the pictures together. Rounded fame value - how could we know how much fame event rewards unless we completed event ourselves? It could have been 500 for first 10 levels, then 250 for next 5.

The formula used to be included in the games javascript, it was removed for a while now, because it didn't really serve much of a purpose other than being part of something that emulated the fight on the client side using a seed it received from the server. Currently the game just receives all the info it needs from the server, rather than calculating it locally.

This is interesting info, indeed. Thanks for sharing that formula.

The reason whales wouldn't buy the fight renewal is also simple, there aren't a lot of people who would search through the games code every update and it was only in there during the first few days of the halloween event, and the discord is mostly inactive.

By the way you mentioned that formula and talked about stamina helping in fights I supposed that it is also common knowledge between people who are on discord. Based on formula and event length you don't even need to buy fight renewal, you have more than 300 potential fights during this period. 3 fights per hour means you only need 100 hours or 10 days (with 10 hour/day) of playtime to complete it if you already have 4k stamina.

Anyway, the way you look at this situation reminds me of Vogons in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (or the people who destroyed Dent's house, that were similar), where they say that you should have known that you planet is going to be demolished, because this thing was posted years ago in some galaxy right near yours, so it was a common knowledge. Not everyone uses discord, not everyone cares so much to look through the code, not everyone knows everything about this game. So I don't know why you think that something that you know should have been known by everyone else. When someone makes a post on a forum he does not have to learn the game by heart, that's what discussions are for. I found several things that are actually interesting for me from this discussion - how requirements behave at higher level of this event (at least 6 and 7), the formula, that event girls are shown in leaderboards if their stats are higher and that you are one of those people at the top of the leaderboards, so I get that you have a different view of the game because you can see it in full, not just part of it as I do. For example when you said that there are a lot of gems that you get from playing I was surprised - but now I see that you only get them if you invested, not if you are a free player. If you are a free player, you are lucky if you get 2 gems per week when you need 170 for next speed upgrade. Or when you said that new event is more accessible.

Originally Posted by Hornypony

And santa double only up to 100k. After that ~125k and then 157k.

Thanks a lot for actual values. It seems I will be able to continue for one more level after the one where I thought I would get stuck. I have only 1.2k stamina so trying to win based on stamina only will result in too many loses, but I have time to upgrade to 130k.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have only 1.2k stamina so trying to win based on stamina only will result in too many loses, but I have time to upgrade to 130k.

Assuming the provided formula is still correct (patches on the server are not seen and the formula is no longer in the client for simulation, as I read) and assuming I understood the formula, it only provides a capping to the chance to loose. So with 1.2k Stamina fighting against 1.2k Stamina Santa this is 1.2% Chance of not loosing at the worst, even with untrained Mistlehoe. But you do not have an untrained Mistlehoe.

(Assuming the untrained minimum 1% you would need about 21 days of near perfect constant play to get 1500 trys. Of course, chance is a tricky thing and you can get it done in 500 or 5000 trys. Or even 15 trys)

Originally Posted by Hornypony

Assuming the provided formula is still correct (patches on the server are not seen and the formula is no longer in the client for simulation, as I read) and assuming I understood the formula, it only provides a capping to the chance to loose. So with 1.2k Stamina fighting against 1.2k Stamina Santa this is 1.2% Chance of not loosing at the worst, even with untrained Mistlehoe. But you do not have an untrained Mistlehoe.

(Assuming the untrained minimum 1% you would need about 21 days of near perfect constant play to get 1500 trys. Of course, chance is a tricky thing and you can get it done in 500 or 5000 trys. Or even 15 trys)

1.2k stamina gives 2.2% min chance according to formula.

I understood it as a critical chance to win. Like in DnD when you have no chance to hit unless you get a 20 dice roll. So you always lose if you have lower stats except some rare cases when you roll this chance. When I get back to rank 18 I will try focusing on event for a while in case I misunderstood this thing to see if chance to win is actually better when stats are close but still lower than enemy's. I recently posted that I am lucky in challenge currently winning 2 out of three battles at rank 18 and after that all battles except 1 were loses so I am back at 3/5 at rank 16... Rank 18 gives 3 gems instead of 2 so I really want to get back there.

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated. When fighting with 1k stats and 4k stamina versus enemy with 1M stats and 4k stamina, you get lucky and one-shot the 1M enemy? If you don't one-shot him, he will have several attacks before your next one that will one-shot you instead. So during normal battle you just scratch the enemy and when you are lucky you just one-shot him? Seems strange.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1.2k stamina gives 2.2% min chance according to formula.

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated.

Nope. 1.2%. 2.2% would be better and maybe I misread the formula. But as it is written above it evaluates to Stamina/1000 % when fighting against "yourself". 1 - 1 cancels out and stam-stam/500 is 0. And with less than 1000 trys one could not say anything about the validity of the formula. Actually, even if it is (still) correct, you could have 1000 trys and not win a single time. Chance is a bitch. I once rolled 40 (!) dice and not a single one showed a 6. That was a 0,07% chance.

As for the animation, it is just that. It kinda looks like exchanging blows (ha ha), with a certain speed and a certain strenght and maybe a crit chance. If there is a miss chance too, you actually can beat any enemy with any girl, given enough tries. But it still is only an animation. For all I know, they just roll on 100% and interpret the result into a long or short fight with the decided winner.

Originally Posted by Hornypony

Nope. 1.2%. 2.2% would be better and maybe I misread the formula. But as it is written above it evaluates to Stamina/1000 % when fighting against "yourself". 1 - 1 cancels out and stam-stam/500 is 0. And with less than 1000 trys one could not say anything about the validity of the formula. Actually, even if it is (still) correct, you could have 1000 trys and not win a single time. Chance is a bitch. I once rolled 40 (!) dice and not a single one showed a 6. That was a 0,07% chance.

You are right. I didn't notice -1 in first brackets with stamina. So I was calculating as 1+Stamina/1000. That's why I had 5% in my previous estimation with 4k stamina.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated. When fighting with 1k stats and 4k stamina versus enemy with 1M stats and 4k stamina, you get lucky and one-shot the 1M enemy? If you don't one-shot him, he will have several attacks before your next one that will one-shot you instead. So during normal battle you just scratch the enemy and when you are lucky you just one-shot him? Seems strange.

There are 3 types of hits that can occur; normal, critical and "failed". Failed is what happens if a hit is a lot less than expected (you can see this at random too, you do almost nothing when it happens). If you win a fight with the gap being too large, the enemy will have mostly failed hits and you get mostly criticals (regardless of the side of the gap you're on, interestingly enough).

Originally Posted by soviras

The event is easier, even my test account which only has the free girl at <40k stats and less than 1k stamina finished it... Thus it's more accessible.

I don't see how that is possible even with all that you explained now. If girl has <40k stats and less than 1k stamina then the chance to win each battle after 3rd should be 2%. On average that would require 50*12=600 battles to complete it. Unless you focus only on event and ignore the challenges there is no way to complete it like this. But normal person would have to play challenges to get gems, so the event is not more accessible to normal person. During previous event there were no challenges running at the same time so one could just focus on event.

Hmm. Maybe I should actually register here. Tired of making extra posts instead of being able to edit my own...

Originally Posted by soviras

I'm done already, I'm one of the people with 4k fame.

The event is easier, even my test account which only has the free girl at <40k stats and less than 1k stamina finished it... Thus it's more accessible. I could even provide the exact stats, but why would I? At the time I posted that I estimated it to be <600k I had yet to complete it, but it isn't even incorrect and I was able to determine that by considering what would be reasonable by looking at how things were handled before.

How do we know Ashes completed the event? Because he has all the outfits, which was posted here as well as in the Discord, in addition to him getting a rounded Fame value, which only happens if you get all the Fame that the event has to offer. "We" know it because we are all capable of seeing that he got all the Fame in the leaderboards. This is common knowledge, because everyone can click on the leaderboards and see it for themselves. You can even take it one step further, as a lot of people below 4k Fame have values that they can only get if they completed the event, as nothing other than a specific combination of ranks in addition to the full event reward would result in the amount they have, but that would be a bit more effort than I would expect people to take.

The formula used to be included in the games javascript, it was removed for a while now, because it didn't really serve much of a purpose other than being part of something that emulated the fight on the client side using a seed it received from the server. Currently the game just receives all the info it needs from the server, rather than calculating it locally.

The leaderboards are not hidden knowledge. The fact that Ashes has the outfits and completed the event are not hidden knowledge.
I also never said his calculations were stupid, but the assumption he made based on the information that was available to him was. Without that assumption, he would not have calculated it to begin with and he wouldn't have thrown a tantrum.

Like I said earlier, I could share but I don't want to. There isn't anything for me to gain from it, and people would still give up on things before they start trying.

The reason whales wouldn't buy the fight renewal is also simple, there aren't a lot of people who would search through the games code every update and it was only in there during the first few days of the halloween event, and the discord is mostly inactive. The only whales on the discord are me and Ashes, the rest of the people are f2p. The majority wouldn't even know they could try it, much less actually try it. The reason I brought it up is because it shows that you have a chance at getting more as a free player than you were aware of.

Here is a screenshot of my testing account, after you finish the event it lets you use them for normal fights:

Ok I really like this game, but how do I start getting gems easier, because I want to be able to time warp and speed things up a lot faster, but it takes so long to even get a gem.