Thread: Fake Lay

Originally Posted by soviras

I'm done already, I'm one of the people with 4k fame.

Finally, at least some actual information that you know what you are talking about instead of just guessing with us based on the info that was provided in that short post and basic experience from the game itself.

How do we know Ashes completed the event? Because he has all the outfits, which was posted here as well as in the Discord, in addition to him getting a rounded Fame value, which only happens if you get all the Fame that the event has to offer.

He could have collected pictures from several other people and gathered them together or could have used several account like you. At the time of posting we didn't know that he had all girls, we knew that he somehow got the pictures together. Rounded fame value - how could we know how much fame event rewards unless we completed event ourselves? It could have been 500 for first 10 levels, then 250 for next 5.

The formula used to be included in the games javascript, it was removed for a while now, because it didn't really serve much of a purpose other than being part of something that emulated the fight on the client side using a seed it received from the server. Currently the game just receives all the info it needs from the server, rather than calculating it locally.

This is interesting info, indeed. Thanks for sharing that formula.

The reason whales wouldn't buy the fight renewal is also simple, there aren't a lot of people who would search through the games code every update and it was only in there during the first few days of the halloween event, and the discord is mostly inactive.

By the way you mentioned that formula and talked about stamina helping in fights I supposed that it is also common knowledge between people who are on discord. Based on formula and event length you don't even need to buy fight renewal, you have more than 300 potential fights during this period. 3 fights per hour means you only need 100 hours or 10 days (with 10 hour/day) of playtime to complete it if you already have 4k stamina.

Anyway, the way you look at this situation reminds me of Vogons in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (or the people who destroyed Dent's house, that were similar), where they say that you should have known that you planet is going to be demolished, because this thing was posted years ago in some galaxy right near yours, so it was a common knowledge. Not everyone uses discord, not everyone cares so much to look through the code, not everyone knows everything about this game. So I don't know why you think that something that you know should have been known by everyone else. When someone makes a post on a forum he does not have to learn the game by heart, that's what discussions are for. I found several things that are actually interesting for me from this discussion - how requirements behave at higher level of this event (at least 6 and 7), the formula, that event girls are shown in leaderboards if their stats are higher and that you are one of those people at the top of the leaderboards, so I get that you have a different view of the game because you can see it in full, not just part of it as I do. For example when you said that there are a lot of gems that you get from playing I was surprised - but now I see that you only get them if you invested, not if you are a free player. If you are a free player, you are lucky if you get 2 gems per week when you need 170 for next speed upgrade. Or when you said that new event is more accessible.

Originally Posted by Hornypony

And santa double only up to 100k. After that ~125k and then 157k.

Thanks a lot for actual values. It seems I will be able to continue for one more level after the one where I thought I would get stuck. I have only 1.2k stamina so trying to win based on stamina only will result in too many loses, but I have time to upgrade to 130k.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have only 1.2k stamina so trying to win based on stamina only will result in too many loses, but I have time to upgrade to 130k.

Assuming the provided formula is still correct (patches on the server are not seen and the formula is no longer in the client for simulation, as I read) and assuming I understood the formula, it only provides a capping to the chance to loose. So with 1.2k Stamina fighting against 1.2k Stamina Santa this is 1.2% Chance of not loosing at the worst, even with untrained Mistlehoe. But you do not have an untrained Mistlehoe.

(Assuming the untrained minimum 1% you would need about 21 days of near perfect constant play to get 1500 trys. Of course, chance is a tricky thing and you can get it done in 500 or 5000 trys. Or even 15 trys)

Originally Posted by Hornypony

Assuming the provided formula is still correct (patches on the server are not seen and the formula is no longer in the client for simulation, as I read) and assuming I understood the formula, it only provides a capping to the chance to loose. So with 1.2k Stamina fighting against 1.2k Stamina Santa this is 1.2% Chance of not loosing at the worst, even with untrained Mistlehoe. But you do not have an untrained Mistlehoe.

(Assuming the untrained minimum 1% you would need about 21 days of near perfect constant play to get 1500 trys. Of course, chance is a tricky thing and you can get it done in 500 or 5000 trys. Or even 15 trys)

1.2k stamina gives 2.2% min chance according to formula.

I understood it as a critical chance to win. Like in DnD when you have no chance to hit unless you get a 20 dice roll. So you always lose if you have lower stats except some rare cases when you roll this chance. When I get back to rank 18 I will try focusing on event for a while in case I misunderstood this thing to see if chance to win is actually better when stats are close but still lower than enemy's. I recently posted that I am lucky in challenge currently winning 2 out of three battles at rank 18 and after that all battles except 1 were loses so I am back at 3/5 at rank 16... Rank 18 gives 3 gems instead of 2 so I really want to get back there.

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated. When fighting with 1k stats and 4k stamina versus enemy with 1M stats and 4k stamina, you get lucky and one-shot the 1M enemy? If you don't one-shot him, he will have several attacks before your next one that will one-shot you instead. So during normal battle you just scratch the enemy and when you are lucky you just one-shot him? Seems strange.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1.2k stamina gives 2.2% min chance according to formula.

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated.

Nope. 1.2%. 2.2% would be better and maybe I misread the formula. But as it is written above it evaluates to Stamina/1000 % when fighting against "yourself". 1 - 1 cancels out and stam-stam/500 is 0. And with less than 1000 trys one could not say anything about the validity of the formula. Actually, even if it is (still) correct, you could have 1000 trys and not win a single time. Chance is a bitch. I once rolled 40 (!) dice and not a single one showed a 6. That was a 0,07% chance.

As for the animation, it is just that. It kinda looks like exchanging blows (ha ha), with a certain speed and a certain strenght and maybe a crit chance. If there is a miss chance too, you actually can beat any enemy with any girl, given enough tries. But it still is only an animation. For all I know, they just roll on 100% and interpret the result into a long or short fight with the decided winner.

Originally Posted by Hornypony

Nope. 1.2%. 2.2% would be better and maybe I misread the formula. But as it is written above it evaluates to Stamina/1000 % when fighting against "yourself". 1 - 1 cancels out and stam-stam/500 is 0. And with less than 1000 trys one could not say anything about the validity of the formula. Actually, even if it is (still) correct, you could have 1000 trys and not win a single time. Chance is a bitch. I once rolled 40 (!) dice and not a single one showed a 6. That was a 0,07% chance.

You are right. I didn't notice -1 in first brackets with stamina. So I was calculating as 1+Stamina/1000. That's why I had 5% in my previous estimation with 4k stamina.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I also can't imagine how this thing would be animated. When fighting with 1k stats and 4k stamina versus enemy with 1M stats and 4k stamina, you get lucky and one-shot the 1M enemy? If you don't one-shot him, he will have several attacks before your next one that will one-shot you instead. So during normal battle you just scratch the enemy and when you are lucky you just one-shot him? Seems strange.

There are 3 types of hits that can occur; normal, critical and "failed". Failed is what happens if a hit is a lot less than expected (you can see this at random too, you do almost nothing when it happens). If you win a fight with the gap being too large, the enemy will have mostly failed hits and you get mostly criticals (regardless of the side of the gap you're on, interestingly enough).

Originally Posted by soviras

There are 3 types of hits that can occur; normal, critical and "failed". Failed is what happens if a hit is a lot less than expected (you can see this at random too, you do almost nothing when it happens). If you win a fight with the gap being too large, the enemy will have mostly failed hits and you get mostly criticals (regardless of the side of the gap you're on, interestingly enough).

Interesting, never noticed "failed" before when I was watching through animations and lately I just start a battle and click Challenge again to just view the results (if cash or rank increased, I won).

Maybe I am missing something, but I still can't imagine how you managed to complete event with 40k girl. How many tries it took on average to win battle with lower stats? I am trying with my 108k/57k/21k girl against 100k one and results are almost always in the same range - I am at 50-55% when enemy wins. Tried it for 6 times today, not that many but there could have been at least some variation in result unless I was correct and that formula actually means the critical win (when if you don't throw lucky 20 you always miserably lose and only if you throw 20 you suddenly win, with no intermediate results, like getting to 95% before losing or something).

Also about the thing that each level doubles the requirements on skills - just finished 34 Body building after a week of waiting, next one is 13 days (35 Body Building), so it's almost double still. What's your total speed on main account btw? Mine is at 33k now and it requires two weeks to double it by playing every day. Then I will need a month to double it again. I don't mind the waiting (playing Crush Crush for longer than a year and still far from final few girls), but it is interesting to know at what range of Speed I need to be to get to final girl (roughly).