Thread: Fake Lay

Originally Posted by ji12

Why would the game show you the amount of stats you gain when you're not actually gaining those stats... But w/e... It doesn't matter as I'm not going to try and give evidence anymore after posting actual pics.

I usually don't post here, but maybe I can help. Hornypony is correct, even if his/her description is a little complicated. The stat amount gained that is displayed after a "training" session is only that way based on what percent of bonus your girl is wearing. You can equip all you want but that doesn't affect the real amount gained in stats. It only affects the displayed amount just as it would if you were to add or subtract a fashion item. It's just an arbitrary amount. The "real" amount gained is still only the number shown in the beginning before you start, plus whatever bonus, I guess 5% as Hornypony stated. (I don't know what amount the bonuses are or if they are different for each girl or based on stamina or something.)

One way to prove this is by using Cupid as an example. Cupid's stats are based loosely on your highest girl's stats. If you train 10 times, and the amount shown is 125k (or w/e) and then compare it to the amount Cupid gained, it wouldn't really be 1.25m as you might think. Cupid would only gain the 48k multiplied by 10 times, which would be roughly 500k, the actual amount your Cindy would gain if naked. If Cupid was wearing her outfit, it would only show up as 850k because of the 70% bonus the outfit gives. I don't know the exact amounts (and I am too lazy to calculate it exactly) but know that it works. Cupid really only gained the exact amount you trained Cindy for, which would be the base 500k. I chose Cupid as an example, because she is impossible to train and is based solely on a main girl's base stats, not bonuses from items or fashion your Cindy may be wearing. That's assuming you have Cupid, and even if you don't, you'll just have to believe me.

Hope this makes sense and isn't too confusing, either, because if it is, then *shrugs* I don't know. At least I tried. Even if you still don't understand, this time I'd bow out gracefully to those that understand better and just accept they are right.

Originally Posted by ji12

So, now what? You still gonna argue that the game doesn't give different bonuses based on what you wear, including items?

Exactly. The game does not show you the net gain of stat points, it shows you how much you get while wearing your equipment. If your stats are pumped up by 70%, your Cindy does not get 46230, but 46230*1.75 (1.00 for % calc, .70 for the outfit, .05 for Cindys bonus). That would be 80903. Your picture even shows the 80.9k

Again: you only have and gain that much stat points, while wearing your outfit. If you change the outfit, you do not keep the stat points that were displayed in the stat bar as "+XXXX" for a few seconds.

Originally Posted by ji12

Why would the game show you the amount of stats you gain when you're not actually gaining those stats... But w/e... It doesn't matter as I'm not going to try and give evidence anymore after posting actual pics.

Why would the game show you anything else?? It shows you exactly the difference between the stat before and after adding the practise amount. But it does so with multiplying in the bonus from your clothing, any items and your girls' inherent bonus to that stat. After all, the game already showed you, how much you will gain net, at the start of practise. The actual stat bar is not your net stat. It is your effective stat.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can equip all you want but that doesn't affect the real amount gained in stats. It only affects the displayed amount just as it would if you were to add or subtract a fashion item. It's just an arbitrary amount. The "real" amount gained is still only the number shown in the beginning before you start

This.

, plus whatever bonus, I guess 5% as Hornypony stated. (I don't know what amount the bonuses are or if they are different for each girl or based on stamina or something.)

The values are different for all girls. They all have 20% bonus distributed on the stats. Some have 0, 10%, 10%, etc. Cindy has 12%, 3%, 5%. You see an estimate how much, if you look at the light green bar on the stat bar. If you remembered the starting stats of your girl, they do not start with 100 100 100, they start with 110 110 100 or something like that.

Soooo, if one does not like Tricks at all, one should not get a hit girl that has 0, 0, 20% perma bonus. Emma might be worst in that regard. She has 1%, 1%, 18%.

Here is the amount gained when you use just item bonus of 80% while naked, showing that items actually do affect the amount.

No. You do not see the amount gained. You see the current difference between before and after pressing the button to finish practise. This is an effective value and it is currently modified by the booster items you are wearing. Your real gain is not modified by said booster items and or her inherent bonus to that stat. You modified your stat by 80%. Plus 5% Tricks bonus that Cindy has. 46230 * 1.85 = 85526. Your displayed effective change while wearing the items: 85.5k.

Phew. So either this was an elaborate troll or I suspect you got fooled by the inherent boni, Cindy has. All her values are boosted, so if you had anything equipped and trained, it kinda looked, as if she gained more points, if you checked her undressed again. But the thing is, she is never really naked, stat wise. Her effective stats are always displayed with the +% she has.

I did not know this prior to this discussion.

I'd suggest an easy test. Pick one of your girls, and remove all their gear. Write down the stat you want to train. Train it for 10 minutes. Write down the new stat. Gear up that stat as much as you like and train for another 10 minutes. Remove all the gear and write down the stat again. If the change in the base stat is the same between the first and second as it is between the second and third, (allowing for a point in round-off), then the gear didn't change the amount you gain. If the second difference is larger, even after removing the gear, then it did make a difference.

Are there any games with virtually the same play style/layout that would be appropriate to play out in public?

Originally Posted by JustMe

I'd suggest an easy test. Pick one of your girls, and remove all their gear. Write down the stat you want to train. Train it for 10 minutes. Write down the new stat. Gear up that stat as much as you like and train for another 10 minutes. Remove all the gear and write down the stat again. If the change in the base stat is the same between the first and second as it is between the second and third, (allowing for a point in round-off), then the gear didn't change the amount you gain. If the second difference is larger, even after removing the gear, then it did make a difference.

This is what I did ... . Displayed stat changed by 31.5 - which is 30+5%.

Originally Posted by AllyNotre1

Are there any games with virtually the same play style/layout that would be appropriate to play out in public?

Depends on your definition of appropriate. And what part of the game you refer to. FL is hybrid. First part is incremental idle play. Try Crush Crush. Not the moist and uncensored. It is on nutaku.com and steam. Second part is ladder pvp. For both genres there are wagon loads of games. If I google idle pvp google spits out ragnarok idle poring.

Originally Posted by Hornypony

The values are different for all girls. They all have 20% bonus distributed on the stats. Some have 0, 10%, 10%, etc. Cindy has 12%, 3%, 5%. You see an estimate how much, if you look at the light green bar on the stat bar. If you remembered the starting stats of your girl, they do not start with 100 100 100, they start with 110 110 100 or something like that.

Soooo, if one does not like Tricks at all, one should not get a hit girl that has 0, 0, 20% perma bonus. Emma might be worst in that regard. She has 1%, 1%, 18%.

From what I observed, all girls have 20% "girl" bonus. Cindy has 5% Tricks, 3% Commitment and should have 12%Sex appeal. My Cindy's Sex appeal was trained, so I had difficulty, recalculating, but i works out. She has "naked" 16.5k and equipping 70% just does not add up correctly. But if I divide 16.5k by 12% and then multiply by (70%+12%) I get the correct value of 26.8k which is displayed.

That's some really good info! Thanks for sharing. Now it really makes more sense to me. I knew you mentioned about some 5% bonus, and some girls did seem to gain more in a particular stat while practicing, but wasn't sure what the bonuses were for each girl, as I never really paid that much attention to it before. I just knew they were different. The bars are sort of hard to read, so I never really tried either.

Originally Posted by JustMe

I'd suggest an easy test. Pick one of your girls, and remove all their gear. Write down the stat you want to train. Train it for 10 minutes. Write down the new stat.

This is such a good idea to see what bonus each girl has in each stat, unless you're really good at looking at the bars, which I wasn't. But after knowing that each girl has a 20% bonus, it becomes much easier to guess accurately now. I wish each girl's bonus was simply listed in their profile.

I also wish I had noticed all this sooner, or cared... I too picked Cindy as my main attack girl, but just because of convenience since she was where I kept resetting for a while. But I wish I had picked a girl with all bonus in the Sex Appeal, instead of divided. Just glad I didn't pick one with all bonus in Tricks! Seems there is a lot to this game if you pay attention to it and not be like me just playing it absent minded. At least I DID understand that the stat training wasn't based on items.

When you reset what do you keep, gain and/or lose by doing so?

Originally Posted by Curious724

When you reset what do you keep, gain and/or lose by doing so?

I know this has been answered before, but...

I think the only things you keep are, girls' stamina and stat points along with any diamonds and slots you have bought. You also keep the 3 filming rooms you can buy with diamonds, if you've already purchased them. You gain multiplier and keep any multiplier already gained if any. You also keep any fashion purchased or won for any girls.

You lose all dating progress with any and all unlocked girls. You also lose any and all progress in jobs and skills, including money earned.

AND, someone please correct me if I'm wrong or add anything I've left out.