Thread: Fake Lay

Ashes put together all the outfits on the discord channel. Should be able to get 4 or 5 with the total event time to train the free elf. Outfits are 70% all stats, Santa doubles his stats each time you win. You should also be able to gift girls you don't have yet too, so you can pick your favourite outfit or future best girl battle costume.

Originally Posted by ThanatosX

Ashes put together all the outfits on the discord channel. Should be able to get 4 or 5 with the total event time to train the free elf. Outfits are 70% all stats, Santa doubles his stats each time you win. You should also be able to gift girls you don't have yet too, so you can pick your favourite outfit or future best girl battle costume.

Wait, So, since my fifth attempt is arround 100K stats to beat...
That means the 15th Attempt is at 101,6 M ~ ?!?!

Originally Posted by DShanks

Wait, So, since my fifth attempt is arround 100K stats to beat...
That means the 15th Attempt is at 101,6 M ~ ?!?!

If you think that would be the case... You should probably think about things before assuming the stupid option is true.

Originally Posted by soviras

If you think that would be the case... You should probably think about things before assuming the stupid option is true.

What's stupid about that? If what previous person said about Santa doubling his girl's stats is true (and looking at 5th battle requirement, it seems true), that's exactly what we will get at 15th battle.
1st - 6.3k/6.3k/6.5k
...
5th - 100.8k/100.8k/105.6k
...
15th - 103.2M/103.2M/108.1M

Those christmas girls are pretty horrible.

art is not everything, but they square with the worst of the girls, instead of the best.
Art progression not looking too hot so far.

In fact it seems to be in regression O_o

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What's stupid about that? If what previous person said about Santa doubling his girl's stats is true (and looking at 5th battle requirement, it seems true), that's exactly what we will get at 15th battle.
1st - 6.3k/6.3k/6.5k
...
5th - 100.8k/100.8k/105.6k
...
15th - 103.2M/103.2M/108.1M

It's stupid because it isn't a realistic scenario. A small amount of common sense would tell you that it won't be that way all the way up to 15. 103-108 mil would be almost 18 times higher than the stats of the number 1 whale. The devs are far from the best in decision making, but they aren't complete morons, and thus wouldn't do something like that.

Observations with a limited scope won't show you the whole picture, and you shouldn't assume the stupid thing just because of incomplete information. Realistically speaking, I doubt it will go over 600k, because that's the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked.

Originally Posted by soviras

It's stupid because it isn't a realistic scenario. A small amount of common sense would tell you that it won't be that way all the way up to 15. 103-108 mil would be almost 18 times higher than the stats of the number 1 whale. The devs are far from the best in decision making, but they aren't complete morons, and thus wouldn't do something like that.

Observations with a limited scope won't show you the whole picture, and you shouldn't assume the stupid thing just because of incomplete information. Realistically speaking, I doubt it will go over 600k, because that's the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked.

Why is it not realistic (devs requiring payments of $10k is not that unrealistic in ftp games)?
How do you apply common sense in ftp games (common sense would be that devs would try to cover all range of whales from $100 investors, that are barely whales, to $100,000 investors, that have crazy incomes and don't even look at how much they spend on such games)?
How do you know the stats of number 1 whale if you can't see his Mistlehoe (event girl stats are not shown anywhere as far as I know)?
How do you know that those observations were done with a limited scope (the info was given by some Ashes person in Discord and there is no information what it was based on, maybe it was done on full scope)?
Why is 600k is the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked (I can beat 300k in tournament, but only 30k in event, so I don't see how those values are related)?
How is the amount of girls unlocked even connects to event (even if you unlock all girls you may not be using your best one in tournament and even if you didn't unlock any girls at all, you still can upgrade event girl)?
Why do you think that last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings (first 4-5 gifts may be for free players, next 5 for paying players and last 5 for whales of different amount of spending habits)?
You are making so many suggestions based on nothing that you sound stupid yourself.

It's 30 gems/10k for me, to speed up daily training for event girl. So to get 100M in each stat you need 3*100,000/10*30=900,000gems=900*6500 nutaku gold=9*65*100$=$58,500. This does not account for 3 boosts that can be used (20% to each stats from all three, I think are the best) and special costume (another 70%), so actual number can be around $25k. The number looks crazy to me too, but who knows what developers think... And who knows how much whales spend (in Marvel Puzzle Quest, that I played for some time, some whales spent tens thousands dollars on each new character release to max cover and max champ it as soon as possible, so it is not unusual)...

Anyway, that 100m calculation was based on ThanatosX post who mentioned some Ashes person, I have no idea who that is and how reliable is his info or where he got it. Maybe it's a whale who already got everything done, maybe it's a developer, maybe just a person who collected pictures from everyone else and made a suggestion for stat progression based on 2 levels. But anyway, attacking DShanks who didn't make any assumptions and just did calculations based on ThanatosX info was stupid. Either you should have replied to ThanatosX that his info may be incorrect or joined Discord and contacted that Ashes person to find what his info is based on. Right now this is the only piece of info that we have and I, by completing first two levels and seeing stat requirements for next one, can't disprove it yet. I doubt you can too, when all you are relying on is common sense that you don't show any.

I'm curious what is the best way to progress in the game as far as when to reset?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why is it not realistic (devs requiring payments of $10k is not that unrealistic in ftp games)?
How do you apply common sense in ftp games (common sense would be that devs would try to cover all range of whales from $100 investors, that are barely whales, to $100,000 investors, that have crazy incomes and don't even look at how much they spend on such games)?
How do you know the stats of number 1 whale if you can't see his Mistlehoe (event girl stats are not shown anywhere as far as I know)?
How do you know that those observations were done with a limited scope (the info was given by some Ashes person in Discord and there is no information what it was based on, maybe it was done on full scope)?
Why is 600k is the beatable limit for people with all girls unlocked (I can beat 300k in tournament, but only 30k in event, so I don't see how those values are related)?
How is the amount of girls unlocked even connects to event (even if you unlock all girls you may not be using your best one in tournament and even if you didn't unlock any girls at all, you still can upgrade event girl)?
Why do you think that last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings (first 4-5 gifts may be for free players, next 5 for paying players and last 5 for whales of different amount of spending habits)?
You are making so many suggestions based on nothing that you sound stupid yourself.

It's 30 gems/10k for me, to speed up daily training for event girl. So to get 100M in each stat you need 3*100,000/10*30=900,000gems=900*6500 nutaku gold=9*65*100$=$58,500. This does not account for 3 boosts that can be used (20% to each stats from all three, I think are the best) and special costume (another 70%), so actual number can be around $25k. The number looks crazy to me too, but who knows what developers think... And who knows how much whales spend (in Marvel Puzzle Quest, that I played for some time, some whales spent tens thousands dollars on each new character release to max cover and max champ it as soon as possible, so it is not unusual)...

Anyway, that 100m calculation was based on ThanatosX post who mentioned some Ashes person, I have no idea who that is and how reliable is his info or where he got it. Maybe it's a whale who already got everything done, maybe it's a developer, maybe just a person who collected pictures from everyone else and made a suggestion for stat progression based on 2 levels. But anyway, attacking DShanks who didn't make any assumptions and just did calculations based on ThanatosX info was stupid. Either you should have replied to ThanatosX that his info may be incorrect or joined Discord and contacted that Ashes person to find what his info is based on. Right now this is the only piece of info that we have and I, by completing first two levels and seeing stat requirements for next one, can't disprove it yet. I doubt you can too, when all you are relying on is common sense that you don't show any.

Paranoia is not a good reason to assume the stupid ideas are true, and this game isn't a plain cashgrab unlike the DMM games and anything with marvel in its name. There is no reason to assume that this game is that bad, especially because it has shown to be in the lower spending range. Just because some games are blatant cash grabs, it doesn't mean you can act like a paranoid idiot and throw away common sense and go for conclusions that conflict with everything this game has shown so far.

How do I apply common sense? By comparing all evidence we have available and the past behavior of the developers to determine the most likely scenario.
How do I know the stats of the number one whale? Because they are publicly visible for all to see.
How do I know it was a limited scope? Because the provided data only covered a part of the whole picture, and thus it isn't representative of the whole picture. It only shows the initial situation, and nothing beyond that.
Why are unlocked girls relevant? Because higher girls have an easier time at increasing their levels, and having more girls unlocked means you have a higher Stamina, which in turn increases your chances at winning even if the opponents Stamina is identical.
Why do I think the last gift should be reachable without crazy spendings? See question 2.
I'm not making any suggestions based on nothing, I'm just not providing the reasoning behind them because anyone who is capable of using the information is capable of finding it themselves.

Ashes is the games number one whale, we can see his stats on the ingame leaderboards, the one that's visible to everyone. If the event girl stats go above someones main girl, you can see the event girl listed as their best. It's easy to see that none of the people with the max fame required more than 1 million to get through the event, and that has been visible for a while now.

DShanks did make an assumption, a very stupid one at that. There was nothing that indicated that it would be that bad, and the past behavior from the devs actually shows that it would be highly unlikely for that to be the case, especially when combined with the leaderboard information that outright makes his assumption impossible (even at the time he posted his stupidity for all to see). I don't show any common sense according to you, but at least I can properly use the information that's available to us. Thanatos provided data that was correct, DShanks made a stupid conclusion because he wasn't able to think things through and ignored information.