Thread: Fap CEO

Originally Posted by diavolo666

I personally spend 0.27+e12 shares to max my decorations (already had 20 at let say 26-30 level)
You get (17.3*10^6) 1.73+e7

0.27+e12 / 1.73+e7 = 15606.93 * minutes you need to sell your company = ________

I need 30sec
It's just that I thought it'd be higher, but that's with or without counting the neon ?

Originally Posted by sharon

At the rate I'm going right now, it'd take me 16.3 days doing that non stop to get 800*10^9 using my program

Cool. I underestimated the power of automation a bit, but you still proved my point. Even with a program running nonstop to play for you, it'd take you 16 days to get what I earned in 1 day. That's in a perfect world, where your script never screws up and you never get disconnected from the game when you aren't watching the screen.

We can guesstimate that you'd need a bit over a month to hit the total shares I had, yesterday. I should at least double my base shares again when I hit the end, if not a little more. Even with perfect automation you're not going to get to the "end" faster.

I assume that you're tying up a computer to run your autoclick script. I'm not, I keep the game running on a side monitor to trade while I'm working. I'll occasionally pop in on my phone, if I happen to be out of the house and have a couple of minutes free. I'd hate to really play that way, but it's just fine for stock trades. Tournaments don't interrupt my progress, I can give them full effort (and earn rewards) without gimping my stock run.

Playing the stock market is not a bad way to max out your decorations. For a majority of people I think it's the most realistic way.

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

Cool. I underestimated the power of automation a bit, but you still proved my point. Even with a program running nonstop to play for you, it'd take you 16 days to get what I earned in 1 day.

That's a bit misleading though, because you've had a lot of build up to get to that point.

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

That's in a perfect world, where your script never screws up and you never get disconnected from the game when you aren't watching the screen.

I do have logging back in built in the program, but since a few weeks it takes a lot of time for me to log back in (my bandwidth is crap and the game seems to load a lot of things when logging in :/)
But at this point half the fun for me is improving my program x)

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

We can guesstimate that you'd need a bit over a month to hit the total shares I had, yesterday. I should at least double my base shares again when I hit the end, if not a little more. Even with perfect automation you're not going to get to the "end" faster.

You keep forgetting that it gets faster as I upgrade things ^^
But even if it's slower that's more fun for me so that's the most important and I don't particularly plan on maxing out everything.

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

I assume that you're tying up a computer to run your autoclick script. I'm not, I keep the game running on a side monitor to trade while I'm working. I'll occasionally pop in on my phone, if I happen to be out of the house and have a couple of minutes free. I'd hate to really play that way, but it's just fine for stock trades. Tournaments don't interrupt my progress, I can give them full effort (and earn rewards) without gimping my stock run.

Currently yes, I tried to get around that but the game needs to be focused so I usually let it run during the night or simply when I'm not using the computer.
I might try to see if I can trick the game into thinking it's focused though.
At first I thought about automating the stock trade btw ^^

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

Playing the stock market is not a bad way to max out your decorations. For a majority of people I think it's the most realistic way.

That's true, though I think it might probably better to do some quick sell for a while before doing a long run to upgrade the neon at least.

anything new about the suffle event?

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Originally Posted by sharon

That's a bit misleading though, because you've had a lot of build up to get to that point.

Alright, civil discourse got me, I made an account. :P

No, I did not forget my buildup. I kept it simple by asking you to estimate your time to earn 800 e9 shares, which was my 1 day gain. My total at the time was 1.68 e12. Based on your math, you'd need about 32 days to get that with your script.

I've almost TRIPLED my shares since yesterday (I'm at 4.68 e12 now). You'd need roughly 90 days to match that number of shares if you ran your script 24/7 with no interruptions.

But you're NOT really talking about matching my share generation, at least not yet. I've been talking about my base shares, without doubling, and I don't have a final tally quite yet.

As soon as you factor in 10 gems when I sell the company, you're suddenly facing 6+ months of letting your script monopolize a computer to match the shares I'll get.

My original projection of 4-5 e12 shares was low.

My final share number will definitely be higher than 5 e12, I still have a couple thousand levels to go. It will happen in a few hours, I'm in e297 money now.

Currently in my game...
Total levels: 54750
Shares: 4.68 e12
Double shares: 9.36 e12

I've been dinking around with this game for about 3 months. It took me about two weeks to start my first semi serious stock run (after unlocking the diamond market), which I ended around e220. That allowed me to buy my decos (naturally, the neon came in last), and level them up a fair bit. With the sign in my pocket giving me 9x shares, I started my final stock run that will complete the upgrades.

So, looking at it from the absolute beginning (level 1 CEO, first login), it has taken me 97 days to buy and max out all decorations.

In hindsight, I'm pretty sure that I could have maxed out all decos besides the sign at least a month earlier if I had continued my first stock run to e300 instead of selling off to go buy the sign.

Originally Posted by sharon

You keep forgetting that it gets faster as I upgrade things

I think you're overestimating the benefit of incremental deco upgrades on your share generation rate. The impact of going from no deco bonus on something to +1 is huge. The impact of upgrading a deco from level 50 to 51 is tiny, and 100 to 101 will be miniscule.

Originally Posted by sharon

I think it might probably better to do some quick sell for a while before doing a long run to upgrade the neon at least.

Oh yes, most definitely agreed. I did a ton of quick sells (without doubling) while I was getting the markets opened up, I started this long run at company level 90.

Originally Posted by Wolfwere

I think you're overestimating the benefit of incremental deco upgrades on your share generation rate. The impact of going from no deco bonus on something to +1 is huge. The impact of upgrading a deco from level 50 to 51 is tiny, and 100 to 101 will be miniscule.

It's true that I boosted my share earning with the event that's why I earn so much, I went from 1 million a run to 22 currently. Sadly I'm low on tickets to I can't farm as much the multipliers, I went from a stable 30+ with a top at 50 yesterday to < 10 today
But before that I saw the gradual increase, it's slow as soon as I get to a new upgrade for my main girl there's a nice increase in share revenue, I guess each one takes longer to get to than the last though.
Still all those increases stack on each other and since I sell a lot even a tiny increase will add up to a lot over time.

Also I managed to reduce the time for a run by a few seconds again but I guess that's it for time, the auto save when selling represent a big % of a run x'D
I even got a bug when going too fast for the recruiting when the windows stays open and can't be close or used :x

anything new about the suffle event?

this 2 dont work..
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It's not possible to know the number of every card, it all depends on how they are unstacked. Some cards are on the same "level" and never overlap so you can't know the order for sure.

Originally Posted by sharon

I guess each one takes longer to get to than the last though. Still all those increases stack on each other and since I sell a lot even a tiny increase will add up to a lot over time.

I think you just glimpsed the devil (diminishing returns) hiding in the upgrade details, but you haven't quite realized how big'n evil he is yet.

Let's examine the neon sign for a moment, as an easy example.

When you upgrade the sign you gain +0.2X to your shares. Period. No matter how many stocks clicking the Upgrade button cost you, that's the actual benefit.

I don't recall the cost of its first upgrade (to level 2), but I'm certain that it was something laughably low. For the sake of argument, let's pretend that it was 10K shares.

Every upgrade costs more than the previous one, every time. I'm too lazy to track down the actual inflation rate on upgrades, but I think 10% is way below what the game actually charges us. That'll work well enough for this illustration.

You have to upgrade to level 5 to get +1x shares (that's DOUBLE shares right there, don't let the 1 fool you). Four upgrades at 10% inflation is 10K+11K+12.1K+13.31K = 46.41K. To double that benefit again you need five more upgrades, up to level 10. Continuing the previous math, that would be 14.64K+17.1K+18.81K+20.69+22.75 = 93.99K to hit +2X bonus shares.

Here's where it gets extra nasty... To double your shares AGAIN you have to upgrade to level 20 (+4X shares), ten upgrades instead of five. To double THAT, you need level 40 (+8X shares). The numbers get ridiculous in a hurry, you're always paying more stocks for same actual benefit gain, but receiving less and less relative benefit.

Real number time: My sign is at level 45, giving me +9X shares. Its next upgrade will raise the bonus to +9.2X shares, and cost 132.45 e6.
Not much of a relative benefit, considering how much the upgrade costs.

Quick selling can get you through low level upgrades at a good pace, but exponential growth in costs without a matching increase in relative benefit is going to hamstring your progress. You get to successive upgrades slower than their predecessor, not faster. You'll reach a point where the benefit doesn't help you enough to offset the time it took you to earn it.

The only upgrade immune to diminishing returns is the Store Multiplier. It's the opposite of decorations, it offers a fixed cost for a benefit with exponential growth. That's what makes it the best choice for investing most of your gems.

Your autoclicker is impressive, obviously more advanced than the scripts I've put together so far, but it can't compete with a full stock market run for earning shares.

As for entertainment value, I say to each their own. I set a goal for myself of maxing my decos, and I'm pursuing that goal using the quickest method I can. That's more fun to me than clicking girls mindlessly for hours or, even more boring in my eyes, watching a script click girls for me and not being able to use my computer.

That said, when somebody pops in here saying they spend all their gems on doubling and asking for advice, I think it's safe to assume that they're trying to progress into the endgame as quickly as possible. Even though you prefer using your script, that's demonstrably not the fastest route and it requires tools+knowledge that aren't built into the game.

I got the 100 Tickets and this is roughly what I got out of it:

1 hour: 25
4 hour: 36
1 day: 13
5 days: 6

Boosters: 49
Keys: 137

Letters: 14
Extra Tickets: 17

Multipliers 625/625/375 then jump 3.1k/3.1k

I don't know if that's good or bad but it seems allright for just 700 gems.

Yes the neon takes a lot to upgrade, but I think my increase in share comes principally from the other decorations which are far easier to upgrade.
I just checked and once I get to the next upgrade for the main girl at the end of the run I'll get a ~15% share increase per run for time basically and this doesn't come from the neon but everything else I upgrade along the way, and it'll be the roughly the same when I hit the the next one, so it's still a nice increase. At this rate I need to hit 5 upgrades to double the shares I get.
Then again it's probably getting slower to upgrade but still, coupling with the occasional neon upgrade and multiplier increase which speeds things up it's a nice progression.

And this way I progress faster in the tournament too, I get better rewards sooner than if I did a long stock market run so there's that too ^^

Anyway, I'll keep you updated on my progress x)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I got the 100 Tickets and this is roughly what I got out of it:

Were you trying to track where the letters went on shuffle, or just picking random?