Thread: The new wiki

Well, I just installed a wiki system the other day. So far I kinda like it. I know wikis exist for most of the games already, but at the very least, I think ours can be used to store our own guides/data findings for easy access and browsing.

I'll likely be copying all of my own guides to it for archiving, especially the pero pero event stuff, since that is mostly static information from here on.

Does anyone have any thoughts/concerns/suggestions about it?

If you can do so, would it be too much trouble to not allow every guest or registered user to edit that wiki?

What I mean is that, if you can't use the forum's authentication service for the wiki, have every person interested in editing the wiki register with the same name that they have here, and then build an admin/mod/editor/user hierarchy to avoid every person and their dog editing info.

I know that goes a bit against the unstated rules of a community wiki, but it would allow us to keep all the info in the wiki as factual and objective as possible.


BTW, if we have our own wiki for the games, I'll aim to have a better wiki than the official one.
I actually had the peroperoseduction wiki opened in Wikia two weeks before Nutaku opened the official one, and I was compiling a lot of data (and had a few ideas) for that... I scrapped the whole thing after Nutaku opened theirs, but I have the data still in my usb drive, and I can code a few of the things I wanted for the wiki.

For example: Instead of having just a single list of all the girls (as the JP wiki does), I want to build a page for each card, with all the data we have for that girl, including a nifty widget that resembles an Infobox, but has a slider/set of buttons to move from Lvl1 to Lvl100, updating SED value and image as needed.

There's actually some lore/background in the game (een if not much). There are a lot of cards that have related girls (like sisters, firends, etc), or cards that alude to another card (like the tentacled guy that hasn't been released here yet, which looks to be the same set of tentacles that appear in other cards), etc.

I want a wiki that has more than just some math formulae for the competitive players amongst us

Was actually thinking something along the ways of a single page for each PPS card as well so i am totally agreeing on that idea. Make a big list with smaller pictures/icons which lead to the page for the individual girls with info. May just have the icons as we see them ingame for the big list, with just the face visible.

So as you said, and from my understanding the pages should include:
-Picture
-Name
-Stats for lvl 1 and 100
-Rarity and type
-Availability
-Special ability
-Background
-Relations
-Possible other stuff

Might be better to spoiler tag some stuff in case some players do not want to read before they get the card.

Willing to help editing the pages for the girls when i have time, as long as someone else makes the page and adds the basic layout.

Well, I can always allow you to protect the pages, rather than just blocking out all guests from doing anything at all on the whole wiki. If you want complete control over a specific wiki left to full members and above, that can be done. Actually, that wiki is built in to the forum software. It uses the same accounts.
Now, if you want to add all the card art.. I'll have to implement a solution for that. I need to remain compliant with networks like google adsense that don't allow their ads on pages with adult content. I have an idea for it, just need to see if I can make it work.

Originally Posted by Kotono

Well, I can always allow you to protect the pages, rather than just blocking out all guests from doing anything at all on the whole wiki. If you want complete control over a specific wiki left to full members and above, that can be done. Actually, that wiki is built in to the forum software. It uses the same accounts.
Now, if you want to add all the card art.. I'll have to implement a solution for that. I need to remain compliant with networks like google adsense that don't allow their ads on pages with adult content. I have an idea for it, just need to see if I can make it work.

We can do that just by having a santized version of the page with a link to the 18+ page.
It's a bit more work, but it's doable.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Was actually thinking something along the ways of a single page for each PPS card as well so i am totally agreeing on that idea. Make a big list with smaller pictures/icons which lead to the page for the individual girls with info. May just have the icons as we see them ingame for the big list, with just the face visible.

Currently, in the JP wiki you have two listings of all cards in a category:

• One with icons, Lvl1 & 100 SED, method of acquirement, and some extra notes
• One with full art of Lvl1, and all the extra data

Seeing as all the extra data would be moving to the individual pages, we could just build the icon view with links to individual pages.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

So as you said, and from my understanding the pages should include:
-Picture
-Name
-Stats for lvl 1 and 100
-Rarity and type
-Availability
-Special ability
-Background
-Relations
-Possible other stuff

Might be better to spoiler tag some stuff in case some players do not want to read before they get the card.

Part of the info I'd like added, besides all the things you can find in the card's datapage of the app, is a small list of categories for the images of the card (Like paizuri/titf*, solo, tentacles, trans, big/small boobs, etc).
Another thing would be, as I said, any link between two cards.

The correct structure for this would be:

1. List per category (N Moe, SR Sexy, etc) of all cards in game:
   
   • Icon
   • Name
   • Lvl1 SED
   • Lvl100 SED
   • Rarity
   • Attribute
   • How to get it
   • Notes
   • Link to Full Card Page
2. Full Card Page for each card in the game:
   
   • Basic stats
   • SED for each Lvl
   • Every image in thecard's evolution
   • Special ability
   • Background
   • Any link/info that appears in the card's data
   • Link to the character's page
3. A character page for each gal in the game:
   
   • All the accumulated info from all her cards (Yes, many of the gals actually appear in two to four different cards)
   • Listing of all the cards that feature her
   • Any link/info that can be found in the gal's data

I'm ambitious enough to not only build something like that, but actually start filling the character pages with info from JP gals that we won't be seeing for months/years

I don't think I can allow hentai terms like that to be used. It's the kind of thing googlebot picks up on to flag websites as 18+.

As for the card pictures. just having them link to another page isn't acceptable. It's actually also against the ToS to do that. My potential idea what to wrap the 18+ content in a BB code that can only be seen by those with member status, gained at 20 posts. I don't really like having to do that, but if you want them there, that would be the only option. Otherwise, if these networks come here and see those, game over.

Can 2. and 3. not be combined into one card detail page? Just have it list other appearances or something.

Was thinking something like this, but with PPS instead. Clicking on the name bellow the icon will take you to the individual page:
Rarity:Gold - Millennium War Aigis Wiki

Originally Posted by YoshiEnVerde

I want to build a page for each card, with all the data we have for that girl, including a nifty widget that resembles an Infobox, but has a slider/set of buttons to move from Lvl1 to Lvl100, updating SED value and image as needed.

How would you implement this slider box? Does our wiki even support that kind of coding? heh
Or are you thinking to embed a special script of sort?

Originally Posted by Tenhou

Was thinking something like this, but with PPS instead. Clicking on the name bellow the icon will take you to the individual page:
Rarity:Gold - Millennium War Aigis Wiki

That was my idea too.

Originally Posted by Kotono

How would you implement this slider box? Does our wiki even support that kind of coding? heh
Or are you thinking to embed a special script of sort?

I'd have to see the backing framework for the wiki, but if it's the same as Wikia, or any other big wiki, there should be capabilities for scripting.
They work with a wiki scripting language and css code.

The main idea is that there's actually a big table with all the data loaded as part of the page, but then the data is presented in a couple of layers that only show a row or two, and a set of buttons that update the data shown.
It's the same (well, not the same, but very similar) thing as those InfoBoxes with tabs: You actually have all N tabs loaded, but you're only hown one at a time.

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Originally Posted by Kotono

I don't think I can allow hentai terms like that to be used. It's the kind of thing googlebot picks up on to flag websites as 18+.

As for the card pictures. just having them link to another page isn't acceptable. It's actually also against the ToS to do that. My potential idea what to wrap the 18+ content in a BB code that can only be seen by those with member status, gained at 20 posts. I don't really like having to do that, but if you want them there, that would be the only option. Otherwise, if these networks come here and see those, game over.

Can 2. and 3. not be combined into one card detail page? Just have it list other appearances or something.

The special BBCode for registered players might be the best solution for the hentai lexicon.

While 2 and 3 can be all mashed into a single page (and it will actually be done like that for 95% of the cards), for gals with multiple cards the best idea is to decouple the gal from the cards, mainly because it later becomes a nightmare to mantain the wiki whenever something must be added to a gal (or card). It's a software coding thing (well, it's also a database normalization thing).

The idea would be to have three page templates:

1. Page with both card and gal data (For the 95% of gals with only one card)
2. Page with only card data (For the 5% of gals with multiple cards)
3. Page with only gal data (For the 5% of gals with multiple cards)

Then, any link to the card/gal will refer to the corresponding page.

This kind of thing is a PITA to design/implement at the beginning, when it means double/triple effort from us; but it later translates into less maintenance work (25% to 75% less work per page).
Remember that we might need to build a lot right now, but in a couple of months 90% of the work made on the wiki will be maintenance/extension of pages.