Quote Originally Posted by EpicFailLulz View Post
Honestly with the amount of counter girls available now, the optimal counter setups are already enough to clear every content alone, we already have 4 counter girls with crit so far.
-atk debuff is pretty much irrelevant in counter setup because the amount you reduce is nothing compared to what bosses can buff these days. (Over 100% atk buffs and/or crit dmg on certain bosses )

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The setup above is max crit rate, with Hydrangea being the skill act buffer. If you use lantana for up to 1.3x skill act with this setup, you will hit 100% skill act every turn at Lv 5 skill as long as Hydragea gets hit.

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Of course, it's perfectly fine without Hydrangea, Saffron/Helenium/whatever other counter will do fine, since majority of the damage comes from counter anyways rather than your skill. Nadeshiko in particular can buff crit*weak counter dmg up to 300k+.


I would prefer they start working on other meta/mechanic other than counter as it's already op enough, like rework solar, increase debuff to match/counter out the buff bosses can do these days.
Never get tired of watching pests kill themselves to super counter .