View Poll Results: Which Tier does Black Baccara belongs to?

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    1 8.33%
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    5 41.67%
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    Ok this time i am really late to the party. I have to vote cause atm there is only one B-Vote (game) and one A-Vote (maotd) resulting in a draw. Pink was my first Waifu before i discovered Maple. I don't have her on DMM, only on Nutaku.

    Stats

    HP: 19074
    Her HP is on the low side. Not an amazing start for her but she doesn't need that stat as much as girls rocking defensive Ability Sets.

    Atk: 8644
    She and Nerine have the highest Atk Stat in the entire game. That's beyond amazing and will definetely get her a lot of bonus points.

    Defense: 3262
    Nice and high defense. Definetely in the Higher Tier.

    Grading: To be honest because she has the highest Atk in the entire game complementing her Ability Set and really good defense i will give her S-
    here.

    Skill Damage and Skill Activation Rate:
    Deals 2.9x damage to all enemies 24% (Lv1) → 34% (Lv5)

    It's the bare bones form of AOE Damage and Skill Activation. Not bad, not amazing. The variant featuring a little less Skill Damage but more Skill Act Chance would have been better for her considering her Ability Package. More Skill Act. Chance would have been nice in conjunction with her superior Skill Act. Ability.

    Grading: B

    Abilities:

    Increases Attack for party members by 25%.
    Good and Solid. 5% more Atk than average.

    Increases Skill Activation Rate for party members by 1.28~1.36x based on one's own Skill Level (1~5).
    The Superior Skill Act. Amazing Ability. You have to invest 4 Skill Blooms but it's definetely worth it. Definetely her best Ability in my opinion.

    In a Boss fight, increases Attack for party members by 20%.
    The most difficult maps are all based on hard boss battles. Therefore this Ability is really usefull.

    Increases Damage for party members against Bosses by 15%.
    Again really usefull. The more Atk. Buffs she received the better the Damage Boost gets.

    Well her Ability Section looks amazing so far. 4 Highly usefull Abilites. What can possibly go wrong with her fifth Ability,right?
    Yeaaaaaaaaaah...Sigh...


    Party members Heal 10% HP when encountering a Nest Panel.
    Unfortunately for Pink she still possesses an Ability which is extremely outdated by now. The Meta where you needed Girls soaking up Pest Damage is long gone. Yeah that's her weak point.

    Grading: Unfortunately her Nest Panel Ability drags down her overall Rating in this section. Still it's worthy of B+

    Conclusion:

    Pink qualifies as a nice Sweeper Rainbow with Support Skills catered towards Boss Damage Teams (she can also fill the gap in many more Archetypes, she isn't the optimal choice though). She has godlike Atk and nice Defense. Unfortunately her useless Panel Ability gimps her overall Rating a little bit. For me she is somewhere between B+ and A-.
    Since i am a big fan of the Superior Skill Act. Ability (look up my Red Ginger Vote for reference) and i am extremely impressed by her Atk i will let her slip to A-Tier as well. She is definetely one of the weaker A-Tiers so keep that in mind.

    Final Verdict: A--
    Last edited by Wutan; 07-30-2018 at 03:06 PM.

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  2. #2
    Okay! This time it is Pink! I honestly do not have any experience with this character. Only times I have seen her is on a few ally teams and she seemed pretty decent to where I could see she has some fans.

    Analysis

    Starting of with her HP stat, it is not all that high to be honest. But that seems to be the case with a lot of slice rainbows. They can end up as glass cannons. And wow! Her ATK stat is outrageously high! above 8600? Damn. Well at least one thing is for sure: If she only gets one hit, she is going to hit like a ton of bricks! And the nice feature is to round it out is that she has a pretty decent defense stat. So she will likely last more than one round. Overall I like her stats despite the disappointing HP.

    Her skill is an AOE, which is always nice, and has about the same power of other rainbow girls with AOE abilities. So she really doesn't excel beyond anyone but neither falls short in that either. As for abilities, she has the standard decent increase in ATK for her party. She increases her own skill activation rate depending on her current skill level. This is probably her best ability as it can help her hit all the pests more frequently. But you have to invest into her to make it worthwhile. Now her boss abilities are somewhat disappointing. Compared to some of the best Boss units, increasing ATK by 20% is not all that great when Sakura is 35% and Pinkladies is 25%. Pink does beat both of them at Boss DMG at 15% compared to their 12%, but 3% difference doesn't really seem all that significant. SO she isn't likely to be the must have rainbow for boss killing, but she'll certainly fit in on a team for that purpose.

    Her last ability is probably the worst and weakest point to her: Healing when hitting a nest panel. That is really only around in early game. With most of us at the levels we are at and the game at the point of development where it's at, this ability is practically useless. Nest panels are now often placed to where you can't reach and destroy them. Really sad. If FKG needs to do anything about it, they should change it to healing when encounter map roaming pests to make her more worthwhile in this sense.

    Judgment: All in all, Pink is a very solid girl. But she has a few things that work against her. She's not top tier boss killer material, her HP is less than desirable, and has a trash ability holding her back. All things considered, there are other girls who made it into A tier that really earned those spots. I have a harder time putting Pink in those same ranks but can understand why others felt she deserved it. But for me she falls just short: B+

    Waifu judgment

    Honestly, she is a cute girl. But er color scheme really comes off as washed out to me. Almost like a water coloring artwork. Nothing stands out that makes her give me that "wow" feeling. She isn't even very curvy. I can see how she can be the waifu of many, but not for this particular ninja.
    C Tier
    Last edited by ShadwNinjaX; 07-30-2018 at 07:08 PM.
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    Thank you for voting, guys.

    We have a problem though cause the final results don't point in a 100% certain direction:
    2X B-Vote
    2X A-Vote


    That's the first time this happened.
    What should we do?

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    Do not fear, Mofu is here !

    If you want, you can take my rating without writing a long post
    C tier

    This girl is nowhere near A tier. I think people are a bit overly generous with the last few ratings, everything is A/B.
    But the fact is that no, bunch of them are not.

    Low HP, Good DMG low Def. Ok speed. 2/3 stats are lack luster.

    This gril, has Skill act, so that automatically makes her a C- tier according to my ratings
    Next - Healing panel - worthless in maps, only semi useful in Whaleship (maybe... I havent got healing panels in there yet despite having Choco chan in my WS team)
    Boss Dmg 15% and Boss Fight 20%
    (Wiki keep crashing for me today at all, dunno why... thank you my Knights Quarters extensive listings for giving me the info I need).

    Artwork: which is unrelated, is very beatiful, bunch of details and highlighted accessories and overall well done. Same with her 5* version which I assume once promoted will be much better then her native 6* form, and also has cute artwork so Win Win.
    Last edited by Myrdin; 07-31-2018 at 03:35 AM.

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    @Myrdin

    Maybe we were too generous giving her an A? I can see that.
    Yep i will take your vote into account. Since you voted C-Tier her Final Grading is leaning more towards B-Tier than A-Tier.

    I have to disagree with you about giving her C-Tier though. I think we should give her at least some credit for having the highest Atk. in the game and her defense is rank 20 of all Natural Rainbows. That's not bad either considering she is not supposed to be a defensive girl. Her HP is definitely low though.

    Please don't forget that she has superior Skill Act.
    1,36x Skill Activations is almost double the amount of Skill.Act you normally get. It basically means you get two girls for one in terms of Skill.Act

    In the end considering all five votes i will give her B-Tier. I think we have to make a new rule if votes end up in a draw though. We can't always rely on an additional vote provided by someone like Myrdin did this time.

    Thanks for that,bud
    I appreciate it.

    @all
    On average we are usually only 4 guys voting so this could easily happen again. Does anyone have any ideas how we should handle this in the future?
    Since the Show must go on here is the next Girl we will judge based on battle capabilities:

    http://flowerknight.wikia.com/wiki/Ionocidium
    Deadline: 05.08.2018
    Last edited by Wutan; 07-31-2018 at 03:12 PM.

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    Yeah, I guess A-Tier is a bit too high for her. A Tier should be for must have girls but not broken enough to belong in the realm of S Tier. I'm ok with B Tier.

    About the new rule, we could use Letter+, Letter and Letter- tiering? Some of use use them already. For example, with Pink, we have:
    A, A--, B & B.
    It's closer to plain B than plain A so, B Tier.

    And to calculate it without doubt, we could give ach letter a value.

    S worth 5
    A worth 4
    B worth 3
    C worth 2
    D worth 1

    + means Letter value +0.5
    - means letter value -0.5.
    Then, we can do the mean of all the votes and choose the closer letter to the final value.


    Or if we got a draw again we could just have an extra discussion to see if someone want to change his vote. Like here. I gave her a A Tier but after a bit more reflexion she is better with a B Tier. And if after extra discussion the girl is still stuck between two Tier, we can just put her on the border between thoses tiers.
    Last edited by maotd; 07-31-2018 at 03:23 PM.

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    Yep Pink is basically the definition of "Not a Must Have. But Nice to Have" xd. I suspect the majority of Knights will either end up in B-Tier or C-Tier. Especially the newer natural 6* are all suspected candidates for C-Tier unfortunately.

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  8. #8
    So I have not had Inocidium on either Nutaku or DMM, but I have seen her on a few helper teams to get a decent impression of her. Initially my impression is that Ino was an alright rainbow to have. So let's get into the nitty gritty of her.

    Analysis

    When it comes to her stats, everything about her just about averages out. She does not excel at anything, but she doesn't stink at it either. Her HP is at a relatively decent level around 20K. Like I said before with the devs sometimes, the buff in one aspect before turning around and nerfing in another. In this case it happens but more slightly in my impression rather than the drastic examples we've already seen. Ino's ATK is disappointing low, but it's not the worst and just below average. To seemingly make up for this, they gave Ino a slightly above average DEF. Her speed is pretty good if you are trying to build a speed squad that uses that attribute to enhance their attack.

    As for her skills, it's not the strongest of damage to all enemies at 2.8x but she does have a slightly higher activation rate for it. I mainly want to hit on just 2 of her abilities because her ATK increase for party, increasing skill activation rate, and increasing DMG of others skills are fairly textbook. I think there are 2 skills to focus on why anyone would consider her for getting with relation to team building. She evades enemy ATKs 80% for 2 turns before 50% afterward. This is pretty good for any evasion team. While it can be RNG based in the end, I have seen my 3 evade rainbows last an incredible amount of turns when luck was going my way. So that helps her last longer if you build her up, even if she gets hit once or twice. The second ability is she has a 40% chance to attack again in a turn. While not maybe the best of act again rates at 40%, at least it is not relegated to just the 1st turn. So think of it like this, Ino has the chance of not only evading damage but following up with 2 attacks potentially. So if she gets a decent streak going Ino can be evading and hitting those pests multiple times in a battle. I know her attack is not the hardest but think of it like that how similar it can be to a "death by a thousand cuts"

    Normally I would say she is fairly average and not all that important to have, but I do see some good potential in her. Especially if she is put on a good team that supports her abilities in evasion and long term survival. So what appeared initially as a C-Tier has turned into a low to moderate B Tier

    Waifu judgment

    What can I say but Ino is damn CUTE! Her sleepy sprite is adorable for one. Her artwork is pretty and bright with the colors. It's interesting and almost pleasant to see her hair go from brownish to pink. That's not normally a smooth color transition seen in many anime girls' hairstyles, but she actually makes it work with that contrast and her clothing. All in all, Ino looks to be a very cute girl that I would surely not mind dating. B Tier
    Last edited by ShadwNinjaX; 08-06-2018 at 08:12 PM.
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  9. #9
    Uggghhh sorry guys, I'll start participating now. But a disclaimer, I can't post essays like you guys, I'm not good enough (I'm not worthy!!) and lack of time, so for each I'll be short and to the point.

    Ionocidium: I've had her for a while now. She is good overall, but as mentioned, I can't fit her in any one particular archetype, just an overall pretty decent character.

    HP @ 20k, almost dropping down to 19's: lower half of bracket, actually never realized 'till now.
    ATK @ 7,798, slotting in around half way, it's alright. I guess.
    DEF: 3,,52: around top 30 placing, so yay. But she is not counter, so can't take full adv. of this.

    She is evade character, so a plus. That 40% react is a bonus, and 1.2x skill act. is a nice padding to any teams needing some extra activation. +18% ATK is regrettably lower than most girls.

    Still, I really like her (DERPY >_<); but I feel she needs a good buff to stay in the top pack. Personally, I don't think she is as low as C, so I give her B rating

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