Thread: Least P2W game?

I can give a bit of my opinion since I have tried all of the games Nutaku has to offer, barring Sweet State and BBE.

Aegis: No chance in hell you're getting all of the units without paying, but honestly all of the units are pretty good art-wise. You'll be able to do a pretty fair amount of the missions with mearly the 'rare' (silver) units in the game as long as you have a bit of strategy. The God level missions which are the end game content do provide an adequate challenge towards the end game. By the point you hit that you'll need to have a fair bit of event units or premium units IMO, but it takes a while to reach the point that they are event feasible. Gameplay is fun and the game has pretty low time commitment.

Osawari: Pay to Pray, in my opinion. You get a handful of good units every event if you consistently farm and are lucky, but it really all comes down to RNG in this game. From the drops to the gatcha, everything is luck unless you pay. I don't really think it is possible to get the top ranking event unit without at least a 50% booster, and they seem to have a pretty low drop rate in the ticket gatcha. I tend to get a a booster every 3 events, but that is just me. RNG is the name of the game. The roster is pretty large and the scenes are great, but a VERY large amount of the units are behind a pretty steep paywall. 100$ for 25 pulls is not very kind to those with poor luck. Be aware that duplicates are very common. I still really enjoy the game though, the story during events can be quite entertaining at times.

PeroPero: Card collection game. At the start, the events generally won't be very kind to you. It takes a while of playing and building up your level/card base to really compete leasurely for the event cards. Generally, to get every card in an event costs me around 5-10$ depending on gatcha luck. Costs can jump up if you try to get all the limited gatcha cards as well though. Progression can be very quick at the start but it starts to slow down around a month or two in. It is the game I am most committed to though, event-wise.

Harem Heroes: Great game to just kill time in. Has almost no time commitment, you get what you put into it. It is pretty new so the content is a bit lacking right now, but with new content coming out next week it is something worth trying. The theme is anime parody, so if you don't like your sexy stuff to be funny it might not be for you. Id at least give it till you finish the first world though (the pirate ship) before dropping it if you do try it though. I have to say I enjoyed it the most out of all of the games I've played recently. Not competitive at all though, its really just to have fun with in an extra tab, just jumping to it from time to time in order to add girls to your harem.

Hitsuji Chronicle: Fun game with a pretty solid list of characters. This one is a bit the same as Osawari in that it really relies heavily on RNG for which girls you get. You get a pretty fair amount of gatcha tickets from the campaign and events so you'll have a sizable cast of girls soon enough, but don't be surprised to get a fair amount of copies as well. Be aware that copies automatically fuse into themselves so you can't have multiples of the same girl on a team. The gameplay is pretty slow in the campaign, but you use up your stamina in the blink of an eye. The game has an auto feature but if you switch to a different tab the auto goes abysmally slow. In regards to stamina regen, it is pretty fair. You can power level to 30 rather quickly, and at that point the timer is ~4 hours so you don't really have to baby the game. The events are ranked, but unless you're paying to snag the top booster and stamina potions I don't think you'll have much luck getting a max evolved event unit. To get the mats for the EU's top evolution you need to place top100 which is pretty difficult. The main redeeming feature for the game though are the story quests. Each girl has their own story, 3 per evolution. In my opinion all of the stories are pretty solid, and you might find yourself getting attached to a few of the characters once you get to know them. You're much better off thinking of each story as happening in an alternate timeline though, as they don't flow together well if you think of them all happening in the same timeline.

Flower Knight Girl: Good game, one of the most popular on Nutaku at the moment. The maps tend to be pretty easy once you have 2-3 weeks under your belt. You might miss out on a perfected event unit the first time around, but by the time you get a couple max leveled 3*s and a strong friend you'll be rocking them like the rest of us. The game has low time commitment and pretty good character designs. The game doesn't really have anything particularly bad about it, barring the max difficulty IMO. Good game to pick up and auto in an alternate tab. The story can be decent sometimes, its not my cup of tea though for this game.

Idol War Z/Dragon Providence: Same games pretty much, one with idols and one with monster girls. I have played a decent bit of both but dropped both due to the shear amount of time you need to commit in order to do well ranking-wise. Good game if you don't mind being glued to it, but otherwise it might be better to stay away. Just not my cup of tea, so I'm a bit biased here.

Maybe that helps a little? Or maybe not, but good luck choosing what you want to play!

Well we do not play games if they are pay to win or not, but because if they suits us or not. Collection purpose is the main thing in these games, fkg and aigis have poorer art than idol wars z, but gameplay is decent and urge of collection is strong in both games but in idol wars the current progression without paying is slow af despite having high quality graphics and teamplay and sometimes you can see an enemy team full of UR and SSR girls while you barely could able to get 1-2 ssr from gacha which affects pvp gameplay which is the main aspect of the game (Dreamfest, live battles)

Damn. So hard to choose a game. I just want a buncha pretty to get girls. Thank you for all the insight though. A lot to look at and to decide.

Aigis and FKG are both pay 2 waifu, if anything.

Originally Posted by acheter

Aigis and FKG are both pay 2 waifu, if anything.

*looks at post 8*

Um.

Originally Posted by Profile4

Harem Heroes: Great game to just kill time in. Has almost no time commitment, you get what you put into it. It is pretty new so the content is a bit lacking right now, but with new content coming out next week it is something worth trying. The theme is anime parody, so if you don't like your sexy stuff to be funny it might not be for you. Id at least give it till you finish the first world though (the pirate ship) before dropping it if you do try it though. I have to say I enjoyed it the most out of all of the games I've played recently. Not competitive at all though, its really just to have fun with in an extra tab, just jumping to it from time to time in order to add girls to your harem.

Thanks for the nice feedback.
Our game is still in its early stage so soon there will be more content, and it will be added regularly. More features of course. And the game will open gates of competition for players that are into that.
But never, ever our game will become a P2W. We don't like that as players, we know nobody likes it... it's not sustainable on the mid term... so why would we be doing that ?

Anyway great topic, and great reading all your posts... these are precious insights for designing our games .

Originally Posted by Kinkoid

But never, ever our game will become a P2W. We don't like that as players, we know nobody likes it... it's not sustainable on the mid term... so why would we be doing that ?

How things change in 2 years...

From a sentence full of hope and good will to a random based game where only big spenders can obtain all the girls, as moderators of the other forum said.

A feature like epic pachinko that is pay to get a random girl, which, of course, make the game P2W, a drop rate so low that is intended to make players spend money in order to get everything, guess what? P2W again.
Plus the leatest addition is all P2W based, like every PVP in a game with purchases which affect gamplay, also known as P2W.

Harem Heroes is a game with a lot of potential and relaxing, also the art design is top notch. Too bad P2W ruins all, as always.

A solution? Easy: remove everything P2W based, like epic pachinko, random drop rate and refills. Leave only the additional aestethic features on the avatar. No random outcome from purchases, no impact on the game, so P2W completely removed and game improved in everything.

Will Kinkoid have what it takes to improve the game, make it more enjoyable, a rare gem of true free to play, which, of course, will result in more people willing to spend money on it? And don't tell me it won't work, it's working with Fortnite, so can work with any game.

You conducted necromancy to say a porn game should be more like fortnite....

If you going to practice dark arts, can you at least choose a better game than fortnite to recommend. Especially if you are going to say "a rare gem", I find that game to not be anything rare or a gem, but that is because frankly I hate the game. My "go to" for the direction I would like to see freemium games move towards is Warframe, but even that game is no where near what I would consider the ideal freemium game.

I stopped HH over 2 years ago so what do I care though, I guess I just wish Nutaku was more appealing to better games that aren't what I would consider so grossly perverted.

Originally Posted by Ampchan

You conducted necromancy to say a porn game should be more like fortnite....

If you going to practice dark arts, can you at least choose a better game than fortnite to recommend. Especially if you are going to say "a rare gem", I find that game to not be anything rare or a gem, but that is because frankly I hate the game. My "go to" for the direction I would like to see freemium games move towards is Warframe, but even that game is no where near what I would consider the ideal freemium game.

I stopped HH over 2 years ago so what do I care though, I guess I just wish Nutaku was more appealing to better games that aren't what I would consider so grossly perverted.

I took Fortinite as example of a game that has the perfect in game purchases in it: no randomness and zero impact on the game itself. That is the right way to do it. The previous post had nothing to do with recommend a game which I don't even play myself, however it is undenyable that Epic did the best thing when it comes to in game purchases, at least in the battle royal mode.

All the other things are valid: HH is a game with a lot of potential ruined by P2W. Now everyone who can read should be able to understand.

...lets not forget ease of use- and quality of life - improvements being put behind micro-transaction walls

Imagine if FKG charged 10 gems a week to use the fast forward, or skip, functions....that's what this HH does, which irks me no end