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Originally Posted by Eab1990

It's not our obligation as customers to find better alternatives for Nutaku to get our money. It's their job to make it more appealing for us to spend.

No it's not obligation. Acting only out of obligation is not how you get the most out of the world. "It's somebody else's problem" doesn't automatically exclude you from solving it yourself (and reaping the benefits).

Originally Posted by Schverika

No it's not obligation. Acting only out of obligation is not how you get the most out of the world. "It's somebody else's problem" doesn't automatically exclude you from solving it yourself (and reaping the benefits).

That's not how a business works. The "do it yourself" argument makes no sense, or there'd be no point to things like customer service. If we're dissatisfied, we find alternatives or we complain. Since viable alternatives don't exist yet (don't say DMM), I and others will complain and be justified in our complaints until we at least get some decent compromises on their end.

The consistent event schedule is a start, but that was something the Aigis devs were obligated to do (and not doing so likely made their profits suffer). The fact that we're still missing the basic Mischa/Nenya or us not getting Claire/Bella in this gold rush when we already have units like Phyllis is still cause for concern. As I said earlier, the Aigis devs made the decision that they don't want to do the extra work of taking the all-ages routes or giving us suitable replacements, so it's on Nutaku to work their way around that.

At any rate, this is just shifting the blame. It's ultimately still Nutaku's responsibility, especially since they're the ones with all the information. Implying that we should be looking for a solution when they won't even bother to elaborate on things like what truly constitutes loli in the payment processor's eyes is a fool's errand.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

That's not how a business works.

It's how the free market works. Entrepreneurship.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

If we're dissatisfied, we find alternatives or we complain.

You've just stated my point, right after saying "your point doesn't make sense". You misunderstood my point.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Since viable alternatives don't exist yet

We call this a "market opportunity".

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I and others will complain and be justified in our complaints

It's ultimately still Nutaku's responsibility

Of course you're justified. Of course it's their responsibility. Letting that be an excuse to not do more hinders progress.

Your line of argument is based on rationalizing reasons why you shouldn't even think of becoming the viable alternative. What you should be doing is listing all the reasons why you personally can't make your own company and forge favourable relations with other companies to deliver the service that's in demand. There's plenty to put on that list.

Originally Posted by Schverika

Your line of argument is based on rationalizing reasons why you shouldn't even think of becoming the viable alternative. What you should be doing is listing all the reasons why you personally can't make your own company and forge favourable relations with other companies to deliver the service that's in demand. There's plenty to put on that list.

Except no, your own logic is based on the faulty premise that "enjoying something but being dissatisfied with the service means you should be qualified to do it yourself."

I shouldn't need to list the reasons on how 99% of Nutaku's customer base likely doesn't fall under the combination of "qualified, motivated, AND having the proper time and resources" to be a competitor. You act like anyone can just start a company on the spot.

Yes, all our arguments and complaints likely get us nowhere, but that doesn't mean it's on the customers to take direct action as a competitor in order to improve things. That's such a giant leap in logic that isn't feasible for most of us, so the only reason I can see you bringing it up is to just shift the blame. Which brings us back to this.

Originally Posted by Schverika

It's how the free market works. Entrepreneurship.

Just because market competition is a healthy thing, doesn't mean that the entire population goes out to start businesses whenever they feel one business has wronged them. So again, pinning the blame on Nutaku's customer base when Nutaku doesn't satisfy them and saying we should be the ones to come up with a better solution is stupid. You can call it "taking the easy way out", but realistically speaking, that's how it is.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

doesn't fall under the combination of "qualified, motivated, AND having the proper time and resources" to be a competitor. You act like anyone can just start a company on the spot.

That's such a giant leap in logic that isn't feasible for most of us

You can call it "taking the easy way out", but realistically speaking, that's how it is.

Excellent, you've finally said it out loud: "We're not good enough".

Now that it's acknowledged, the next question would be "well how do I become good enough? I'm powerless now, but must I stay that way for the rest of my life?" I bring this up because that's a more constructive line of thought. Granted, all you wanted was to vent your frustrations. Much as people complain, if they don't act afterwards it shows how little they actually care about the topic.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

doesn't mean that the entire population goes out to start businesses whenever they feel one business has wronged them.

The restriction is due to lack of capability. Not because of some rule saying "only those who are obligated should act".

Originally Posted by Schverika

Excellent, you've finally said it out loud: "We're not good enough".

Now that it's acknowledged, the next question would be "well how do I become good enough? I'm powerless now, but must I stay that way for the rest of my life?" I bring this up because that's a more constructive line of thought. Granted, all you wanted was to vent your frustrations. Much as people complain, if they don't act afterwards it shows how little they actually care about the topic.


The restriction is due to lack of capability. Not because of some rule saying "only those who are obligated should act".

What the hell? No, that's NOT the next question.

When people are dissatisfied with a game, they suggest the makers do something to improve the game, or move onto something else. They don't necessarily make their own game.

Dissatisfied with a restaurant? Complain to the owners for compensation, or have food somewhere else. Not start their own restaurant.

And so on. Extend this line of thought to every product/service in existence. The answer isn't simply "make your own".

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves. It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality. If everyone could make their own thing, there'd be no point to a business.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves.

Again with this rationalization of sloth. You seem obsessed with blame, fault and obligation. Those are not relevant in the argument I'm putting together. Stop looking for what isn't there in my words.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality.

An attempt to dilute the 'target scope' by pointing out everybody else. The correct answer is "I am striving in a different field of life, therefore I choose not to strive in this one".

Originally Posted by Eab1990

What the hell? No, that's NOT the next question.

When people are dissatisfied with a game, they suggest the makers do something to improve the game, or move onto something else. They don't necessarily make their own game.

Dissatisfied with a restaurant? Complain to the owners for compensation, or have food somewhere else. Not start their own restaurant.

And so on. Extend this line of thought to every product/service in existence. The answer isn't simply "make your own".

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves. It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality. If everyone could make their own thing, there'd be no point to a business.

Nutaku "fixed" assists 1.5 months after the first shitstorm at 2nd EG (at 3rd EG) and they RECENTLY "fixed" the N cards fiasco in event gacha, which is even older than those claims (the Shuri Tsutsui fiasco).

Seems close to your point but one issue, those claims was correctly funded. Shitstorms about the medal campaign after 4th EG ended with a worse result, they keep the short time to obtain cards and technically still impossible for a free user or casual casher to get limited cards, because they claimed about the cost of cards, not availability.

Now they repeated the same fiasco with Airu card (campaign released after xmas instead to be in line with current event and again, by a short time).

So, users influx on the behavior of a business.