Thread: [Event] Halloween

Originally Posted by TTOG

So please take a good look at the other games on nutaku and change the way you get event girls.

Sorry to read that you're so frustrated. Maybe drop rates were too low. Maybe not, thousands of players managed to get the girl.
But as a general thinking line, I would not see the fun in having girls "guaranteed".
Obviously you're not going to like this, but playing a game implies that you have chances to win... or lose. If you win no matter what, it's not a game anymore.

If you know games that do it better, give exemples and we'll try them. And if we see convincing mechanics, maybe they'll inspire us for upcoming events... yes there will be a big "Christmas" event .

Its not a fun game when you have absolutely no control over winning and losing. Not everyone is a fan of pure luck.

Originally Posted by Kinkoid

Sorry to read that you're so frustrated. Maybe drop rates were too low. Maybe not, thousands of players managed to get the girl.
But as a general thinking line, I would not see the fun in having girls "guaranteed".
Obviously you're not going to like this, but playing a game implies that you have chances to win... or lose. If you win no matter what, it's not a game anymore.

If you know games that do it better, give exemples and we'll try them. And if we see convincing mechanics, maybe they'll inspire us for upcoming events... yes there will be a big "Christmas" event .

Thousands of players managed to get the girl, many others no. Those who managed to find her don't have particular merit than the other unlucky players, that's the problem. You're right, it's not fun having girls guaranteed, but a difficult mission that rewards those who managed to complete it is far better.

PS: I have Halloween Juliette

Originally Posted by Kinkoid

Sorry to read that you're so frustrated. Maybe drop rates were too low. Maybe not, thousands of players managed to get the girl.
But as a general thinking line, I would not see the fun in having girls "guaranteed".
Obviously you're not going to like this, but playing a game implies that you have chances to win... or lose. If you win no matter what, it's not a game anymore.

If you know games that do it better, give exemples and we'll try them. And if we see convincing mechanics, maybe they'll inspire us for upcoming events... yes there will be a big "Christmas" event .

Hey Kinkoid,

this event was just about having luck, thousand of players might got her, thousand might not. From your last posts we know that you often rely on your numbers, but maybe you should not compare how many players recieved her in contrast to those who didn't, but fighted the Dark Lord for hundred of times.

See other ingame events in Nutaku games like Flower Knight Girls or Osawari Island always rewards the players for their effort during the event duration.

Let's take player A and player B, both are playing HH, FKG and OI. Player A plays 20 hours during the event week and player B plays 60 hours for each game. When the events end, player A got the 75k event Girl from OI, the 5-star event girl from FKG with only 1 equipment slot/skill level and the event girl from HH (because he is a lucky one). Now, hardcore player B got the 75k and the 150k girl from OI, the 5-star event girl with all stats maxed from FKG, but no girl from HH (because his luck sucks). The hardcore guy just wasted his energy on a chance that might not will happen in 100 years.

Even when I got the halloween juliette I think it would be better to reward the player for the amount of action and time they put into the game, instead of this "all or nothing"-mentality.

But in the end it's your game and we are happy to get any additions you can offer.

Originally Posted by reacers

Hey Kinkoid,

this event was just about having luck, thousand of players might got her, thousand might not. From your last posts we know that you often rely on your numbers, but maybe you should not compare how many players recieved her in contrast to those who didn't, but fighted the Dark Lord for hundred of times.

See other ingame events in Nutaku games like Flower Knight Girls or Osawari Island always rewards the players for their effort during the event duration.

Let's take player A and player B, both are playing HH, FKG and OI. Player A plays 20 hours during the event week and player B plays 60 hours for each game. When the events end, player A got the 75k event Girl from OI, the 5-star event girl from FKG with only 1 equipment slot/skill level and the event girl from HH (because he is a lucky one). Now, hardcore player B got the 75k and the 150k girl from OI, the 5-star event girl with all stats maxed from FKG, but no girl from HH (because his luck sucks). The hardcore guy just wasted his energy on a chance that might not will happen in 100 years.

Even when I got the halloween juliette I think it would be better to reward the player for the amount of action and time they put into the game, instead of this "all or nothing"-mentality.

But in the end it's your game and we are happy to get any additions you can offer.

Thanks for the detailed answer.
I get your point, we're nearly on the same page .

Give me a bit of time, I'll write you a detailed answer.

I thought i would have today in order to get Juliette. Too bad.

I hope perharps next year she will be back ?

Originally Posted by Kinkoid

Thanks for the detailed answer.
I get your point, we're nearly on the same page .

Give me a bit of time, I'll write you a detailed answer.

Thanks and please don't hurry. I appreciate what you are doing for us and like what you are doing. Can't wait to see the recently announced christmas event

Originally Posted by reacers

Let's take player A and player B, both are playing HH, FKG and OI. Player A plays 20 hours during the event week and player B plays 60 hours for each game. When the events end, player A got the 75k event Girl from OI, the 5-star event girl from FKG with only 1 equipment slot/skill level and the event girl from HH (because he is a lucky one). Now, hardcore player B got the 75k and the 150k girl from OI, the 5-star event girl with all stats maxed from FKG, but no girl from HH (because his luck sucks). The hardcore guy just wasted his energy on a chance that might not will happen in 100 years.

Even when I got the halloween juliette I think it would be better to reward the player for the amount of action and time they put into the game, instead of this "all or nothing"-mentality.

Ok so basically "yes you are right, smart feedback."
To be honest, we did not have much time to do everything we wanted for this halloween event. We're short in coding power, so already making illustrations, designs, quests, girls for the Halloween event absorbed a lot of ressources. And adding a girl to grind on a troll was a last minute improvisation because we felt bad that there was not enough fun for freemium players.
In the near future hopefully we'll have more time to do things as cool as we'd like them to be, and hopefully you'll all like it .

In details we'd like to reward players when they achieve some goals.
And in the case of specific events, we'd love to add "grinding goals" that would reward players nicely.
I'd even like to see "grinding competition" with leaderboards displaying the number of fights done by players .

Rewarding players on goals might look a bit like the quests on FKG. Or not we'll see .

Event competitions... we don't have comparisons... if you have suggestions, shoot .

BOTTOM LINE
HH is not a skill game, so we can't reward skills. Rewarding luck is fun to a certain extent but I understand that it's limited. So in the future we'll reward also hardcore persistant players because hey grinding a map or a boss for hours until it drops what you want is a skill in itself... I'm doing it on several games so I know how it feels :-D



Thanks everyone for showing so much interest for our game. We're just getting started. Writing world 6 is nearly finished and drawing should start soon (yay a bit of advance!). Xmas event is being defined, and I'm pushing the team for more girls, cool stuff around Xmas event. AND we're preparing more awesome gaming features so you would have a lot more things to do in HH.
Please be patient, bear with us, developping all these things will take some time... just know that we're on it, full time, full power, and we're doing our very best to satisfy you all !!!

I'll personally chip in and say I feel I wasted my time with this event, since ONLY the Dark Lord had the added drop (and I already have all 3 of his girls, as well god only knows how much Dragon Equipment I've sold, and he gives 0 EXP since I out leveled him forever and a decade ago). No useful drops. Energy (and my personal time) would have been better spent doing almost literally anything else (even in game, I could have at least pretended the Ninja Spy might drop the 2 girls I still need so I could finally move on to Gruntt (who I have 0 of).

At least in the future could event girls be on all bosses equally so I don't have to waste time on content that's completely pointless outside the 1 temporary thing I have a snowballs chance in a volcano of actually getting? It might help with the whole "waste of time" feeling if I have multiple things to gain. Or heck, add some kind of fragment style drop like the Demon Crystals in Aegis, the Rep system in Brave Girls Raven, etc. So you're grinding towards some goal, instead of just throwing energy and time down a completely bottomless abyss.

Other ideas: Event equipment (see multiple targets above) or just having the bosses still give SOME small amount of EXP even when you're 20+ levels past the point they were last relevant... (and for the record, I don't think I've done a battle vs a player since I realized the story bosses could drop their girls. I just never have the energy to spare on it. Perhaps those 2 kinds of battles could use 2 different resources? (put another way, all the players around my rank are 20+ levels below me. The first person close to my level on the list is almost 3000 ranks above me)

Sorry. Just annoyed.

Originally Posted by Kinkoid

If you know games that do it better, give exemples and we'll try them. And if we see convincing mechanics, maybe they'll inspire us for upcoming events... yes there will be a big "Christmas" event .

Personal opinion is that time spent on game should make up for inability to spend. A counter for times fought the boss (be it one that also drops other stuff or a specific one) to get the girl would be best, even if it does require quite a lot of time. 2 stamina per 20 minutes, so 3 fights per hour. Event lasts a week, assume 8 hours per day needed, that gives 150-200 fights to get the girl. Add additional targets (like second girl at 400 wins, third girl at 600 wins) and people who cannot afford to pay can still reliably get the girls, assuming they do put some effort in it.
People who can pay will skip the tedious part and either roll for the girls or refill their stamina. The collector in me hates the idea of girls that I won't be able to get unless I pay, but the realist in me accepts it as a proper way for you to make money of the game.