Thread: Problem with event girls

Have you considered a step counter or something similar - 200/225 fights and no girl drop - guaranteed drop

Means most people can get one at least one drop guaranteed

Or coins that drop each fight - X coins means you can trade for a girl - getting a girl drop costs X coins

Tanny, you do realize that the drops are random? And that with randomness, there is never any guarantee?
I mean: if you play any random game, you must be prepare to the possibility of losing, however high are your chances to win.
Toss a 6 faces die 100 times: there is the possibility that you will never roll a 6...

You had bad luck this event, it sucks, but that's life, man, you cannot always have luck on your side. Most people learn to live with it though...
If you cannot deal with your lack of luck... Maybe play chess? (i'm not being sarcastic here, i mean my words).

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Tanny, you do realize that the drops are random? And that with randomness, there is never any guarantee?
I mean: if you play any random game, you must be prepare to the possibility of losing, however high are your chances to win.
Toss a 6 faces die 100 times: there is the possibility that you will never roll a 6...

You had bad luck this event, it sucks, but that's life, man, you cannot always have luck on your side. Most people learn to live with it though...
If you cannot deal with your lack of luck... Maybe play chess? (i'm not being sarcastic here, i mean my words).

Tristelune, you do realize that they want to earn money with the game? And that presupposes a certain player base, which grows in best case for more income.
I mean: if you play a game, that frustrates its players by a time challenging event and which is due to pure randomness not rewarding, you must be prepared to the high possibility of losing lots of players (and potential income).

Speaking about possibilities: tossing 6 times a dice is a <~17% each toss, getting an event girls is what %, maybe 1% or lower? Great comparison!

If you ever get a bypass surgery, the probabilty to die is around 2%. Around 400 surgerys went well this year... but maybe you will have bad luck, it'll suck, but that's life (or no more then), you cannot always have luck on your side. If you cannot deal with your own absence of understanding... maybe shut up? (I'm being sarcastic here, i mean, my words).

If you cannot deal with your own absence of understanding

Lol! I understand very well you're a kid who get his panties in a bunch
You're frustrated and you threaten to rage quit... How mature of you!!
You're just making a fool of yourself, boy.

Suck it up kid, you'll get many other bad luck in life! Just learn to deal with it.

That being said, of course the devs wanna make money with the game. The fact that maybe 1.5% of regular players didn't get any of both boss event girls (you belong to them, tough life!) is possibly an incentive to make these players try Epic Pachinko.
More importantly, their rebalance is due soon. It should deal with the issue, somehow.

Speaking about possibilities: tossing 6 times a dice is a <~17% each toss, getting an event girls is what %, maybe 1% or lower? Great comparison!

"When the wise man shows the moon the fool looks at the finger"

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Lol! I understand very well you're a kid who get his panties in a bunch
You're frustrated and you threaten to rage quit... How mature of you!!
You're just making a fool of yourself, boy.

Suck it up kid, you'll get many other bad luck in life! Just learn to deal with it.

That being said, of course the devs wanna make money with the game. The fact that maybe 1.5% of regular players didn't get any of both boss event girls (you belong to them, tough life!) is possibly an incentive to make these players try Epic Pachinko.
More importantly, their rebalance is due soon. It should deal with the issue, somehow.


"When the wise man shows the moon the fool looks at the finger"

Yeah, starting to argue with the putative age of your counterpart, using frenzy quotes, repeating obsolescent positions, ignoring incontrovertible arguments and building up alleged "flames" on wrong assumptions (I haven't reviewed my posts, but did I threaten to rage quit?) speaks for yourself. Same niveau as the trochbearers in Charlottesville. A Kraut compliments!

Regarding the incentive: yep, that might work for a... mind like you.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Lol! I understand very well you're a kid who get his panties in a bunch
You're frustrated and you threaten to rage quit... How mature of you!!
You're just making a fool of yourself, boy.

Suck it up kid, you'll get many other bad luck in life! Just learn to deal with it.

That being said, of course the devs wanna make money with the game. The fact that maybe 1.5% of regular players didn't get any of both boss event girls (you belong to them, tough life!) is possibly an incentive to make these players try Epic Pachinko.
More importantly, their rebalance is due soon. It should deal with the issue, somehow.


"When the wise man shows the moon the fool looks at the finger"

A lot can be said about the chances in this game, but one thing that can not be said is that things are reasonably balanced.
Before you try to throw my post on the whole "people who don't like the system can't handle bad luck" argument that you seem to be trying to go for, I am going to tell you that I have most event girls except for one event.

First of all, attacking people based on false assumptions and treating them like children because they disagree with you is really immature.

Second of all, looking at the info available at the tower and contests, the amount of people that play daily but didn't gain 1 or more of the event girls during any random event period (since the introduction of contests) is at least 30%. The tower doesn't show the difference between event girls and normal girls though, so the actual number is probably even higher. I don't know where you pulled that 1.5% from, but you might want to reconsider when you want to pull information from that source again. If you tried to base it on the people on these forums, you might want to consider that they are also some of the most active players and thus any data based on the forums will be heavily biased towards high activity and thus not be representative of the games population.

Third of all, the rebalance has been "due soon" for months now. There is no reason to believe it will actually be anytime soon based on the information provided. Additionally, there being future fixes for something means that it was in fact an issue, and if it was an issue then it is normal to complain about it.

Fourth of all, while luck is a thing, not all odds are the same. Comparing 100 dice rolls not hitting a 6 (a 0,0000012% chance, or around 1/83000000) to something that has a reasonable chance of happening is like comparing the average families income to the income of a fortune 500 CEO and acting like it's pretty much the same. A proper comparison needs to be in a similar order of magnitude, and your comparison failed at that point.

Fifth of all, misuse of sayings doesn't make you look any smarter when you fail to notice the point that someone was making. Probably more of the opposite, actually... Seeing as you have no idea what the saying means, I will have to explain it to you... The saying originates from Buddhism, and like a lot of Buddhist sayings, it's meaning is not nearly as literal as it would seem at first glance. Your misuse of it here is exactly the thing the saying warns about... "The truth is like the moon in the sky, and language is like the finger that points at it. Can you find the moon without the finger?" It's about reading the meaning/truth of things (in between the lines) like the wise man instead of being mislead by the words right in front of you like the fool. There is no hidden truth behind your words, and as such the saying does not apply. It's origin is in the Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch, which is quite an interesting text.

Thanks for your argumented post, Soviras. It's refreshing after Tanny's whining and sarcasm. Yet, I disagree with most of your points.

First, I didn't say that the game was reasonbly balanced. Heck, if the devs do a rebalance, it's exactly because they think it's not balanced enough.

Second, you failed to catch my argument. I didn't defend the idea that "people who don't like the system can't handle bad luck" and I don't know where you got this ridiculous idea. That doesn't even make sense! So, please be kind enough to highlight the sentences that made you feel as such
What I opposed to Tanny is that in a game of luck, no matter how good are the odds, you always have a chance to lose. Because luck. To put it another way: "people who can't handle bad luck shouldn't play game of chance".
Do I really have to go as far as to quote myself here?

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Tanny, you do realize that the drops are random? And that with randomness, there is never any guarantee?

I mean: if you play any random game, you must be prepare to the possibility of losing, however high are your chances to win.

Toss a 6 faces die 100 times: there is the possibility that you will never roll a 6...

You had bad luck this event, it sucks, but that's life, man, you cannot always have luck on your side. Most people learn to live with it though...

If you cannot deal with your lack of luck... Maybe play chess? (i'm not being sarcastic here, i mean my words).

Now, about the points you raise:

Your first point: I didn't attack Tanny on false assumptions about his age. Nor I treated him like a child because he disagreed with me. That would be stupid. For what I know, he might be older than me. What I highlight though is his obvious lack of maturity and childish behaviour. Hence the way I adressed him as a child in my late post.
Being sarcastic and/or offensive in most his post certainly don't pose him as a paragon of maturity and wisdom.
Again, do I have to quote?

Seriously, this game should be around protagonists fucking and not fucking players. Thanks.

Thanks for help! NOT.

I won't bother quoting the rest, it's all in the same spirit...
So, I don't know how you call it, but by my dictionnary, acting like he does just because he was unlucky: this is childish behaviour.

Your second point: why would I look at tower and contest to make an assumption on the amount of people that didn't drop any event girl? Please... That would be so stupid...
I simply calculated it using the best approximations and educated guesses we have.
Let me explain:
1) first we can assume Tanny is a dedicated player and he did an average of 50 battle per day (of course, maybe he did more). If he tried less, i'm of the opinion that he can only blame himself for not having tried enough. In any case, let's take our typical dedicated player that does 50 fight per day
2) we know that the event was 14 days
3) we know that the drop rate for event girl is x3
4) also, I know that the best guesses made by tens of players for about a year put the drop rate between 0.1 and 0.3%. My personal opinion lean toward 0.2%, which happen to be right in the middle.
=> that gives you 1.48% chance not to drop any event girl for the event duration. Pretty close to the 1.5% i mentionned, isn't it?
So, of course, we don't know the actual drop rate, but if you have better estimation, please let me know, i'll sincerely appreciate. Also, you can argue with the model I used but it's the best without knowing the drop rate. And for some reason, i'm fairly confident that my 1.48% is close enough to the real %.
Also, I'd like to add that, aside Tanny, I know of 3 dedicated players that didn't get any of the two droppable event girl. None of them made a ruckus like he did. They just soaked it up. I didn't see any other people voicing their frustration the way Tanny did on any of the forums or discords.

Your third point: well, you should update your informations. Because there ARE reasons to believe it's due soon. The beta started a bit more than a month now. Obviously the release of the rebalance is imminent, as Jessie hinted in her post above. I'd bet that it will be released before the next event

Your fourth point: I deliberately took a comparison that was of a very different magnitude. It's almost impossible NOT TO roll at least one 6 over a hundred die toss. Yet it's possible. The underlying point that I tried to make Tanny realize is that when you play a game of luck, no matter how good the odds, there is always a chance for you to lose. And only fools fails to acknowledge this truth.
In fact, it was not a comparison, it was an exaggerated situation to stress my point.

Your fifth point: I commend your knowledge of Buddhism (I didn't know of the origin text). But then I refer to your fourth point: the (not so) hidden truth under my tossing die was not that there is about 17% to roll a 6 (which is the understanding that Tanny had), but the fact that in game of luck, you can fail however high are your chances. By your definition, he failed to grasp the hidden truth, didn't he?
Maybe more importantly, we live in a world where there are more and more of these people who want everything right away and don't accept when something doesn't go their way. They then start whining and can't cope with what life give them.
As a person knowledgable in Buddhism, you probably know as well as I do (or even better) what buddhism has to say and teach to these people.

TL/DR: In a game of chance, one always has a chance to lose. Whining, crying, being sarcastic and offensive because one cannot cope with this reality is a sure sign of immaturity.

To conclude: I think Tanny should have kept his calm, voiced his opinion in a respectful way and maybe made a suggestion or 2 on how the devs could make the game better in regard of this matter (like Sniddy did few posts above).

Sorry for the long post.