Thread: Affection Should Be Reworked

Originally Posted by soviras

The biggest issue with the affection update was the sheer amount of affection you need, due to the current system restricting it way too much in that regard. Currently, if I want to upgrade a girl, getting the money to do so takes me 3 days and getting the items to do so takes me over a month without pachinko (using pachinko would cost significantly more). What this solves is the lack of affection items while leaving the monetary cost the same assuming you don't use pachinko. You also get free items of various rarity tiers from arena fights and the daily mission, which decreases the cost slightly.

The problem you have with it is that you don't seem to realize that you aren't paying more for affection. Every item is the same 417 currency per affection point. The costs did not increase as a result of this, the shop prices are still the same per affection point, it's just for sale at a larger bulk volume now. Nothing forces you to buy it out every restock, and it wouldn't even make sense to do so because with the new system it's possible to gain more affection than you would need. Gaining affection is going to be possible at a higher rate while the cost in money remains the same, reducing the time needed.

If the price per affection point has not changed, and the amount of money you gain has not changed, then what really has changed at all? The items now give more affection points per item, but if the item costs more, aren't you simply paying the same, but for fewer items? How can the time needed be reduced when the cost of the items, as in the cost per affection point per item is the same? Even if they increase the times the market refreshes, with the cost actually being the same, you still cannot purchase anymore affection points than you did before in the same amount of time.

Also, if you can't "buy out the shop every restock", you won't be buying any more affection points than you are now, because you won't be making enough in game currency to do so.

Or, am I totally misunderstanding how this is supposed to work? I'm not putting down the changes, but it really doesn't sound like anything is changing as far as affection gain is concerned.

There were basically 2 problems with the new affection system.

One is the price to upgrade girls, and price of affection points (given the 417 cash per point of affection on all items).

Second one was that at some point not the cost is a problem, but how much those affection items you can get.

With white and green items in market only, on average you can get like 330 points of affection per reset, you had 2 resets and for average people you would get one more from leveling up. That was giving you an gate of around 1k affection points a day. Which people calculated would take years to upgrade like 50-100th girls to 5th star.

Sure we don't have 5 stars for 50+ girls, heck we don't have them for 3+ girls either, and there are some additional sources (pachinko), but overall that became the biggest issue.

This change that gives you better items the more girls you have, and with more resets a day, rises how much affection points you can get per shop visit and buyout. And moves the issue back entirely to just cash.

Now the funny thing is that if you ignore any additional incomes (PvP, troll battles, selling items/boosters you got for free), and also if you ignore few girls with different cash/h than the majority - then what you have is a harem/system, were each girl on 3 stars provides you with same 1270 cash/h. So if you have 1 girl upgrading her to 3 stars will cost time wise the same amount of time, as it will take to upgrade 100th girl assuming all 99 before her already are at 3 stars.

But a lot of people actually don't manage their harems well, and most of their income comes from other sources, and having more girls and thus more income from harem wont really give them that above equation.

My questions are, with the addition of affection items to PvP rewards:

1) that 25% drop chance for affection will be taken from replacing useless booster drops, or will it replace cash drops
2) will those items abide rules that market/shop does - meaning with 40+ girls only epic/legendary will drop and common/uncommon not

Thou even if those were only white/green items, the average value will be probably bigger than what PvP gives as cash rewards - so that could be considered a help in making upgrading affection cheaper.

My issue with all this is that its mostly a small band-aid, it fixes some issues, leaves some, but what we asked - to get back the feeling that the more girls you have the easier game is wasn't restored. Cause sure more girls make us have better affection items is market, but their ratio is still same 417 (at least for what I checked on legendary ones). So with how harem income gets less and less important while we level up, the speed of how fast we can upgrade is like not connected with harem at all, but with whats our level, how much junk items to sell we get, and how much cash/h we can farm from trolls (thou it seems there is not much progress there cause people say new girl troll gives what best troll before W9 was released was supposedly giving - or at least jump is not big).

Originally Posted by Eversor86

1) that 25% drop chance for affection will be taken from replacing useless booster drops, or will it replace cash drops
2) will those items abide rules that market/shop does - meaning with 40+ girls only epic/legendary will drop and common/uncommon not

1. 25% from the entirety is converted to gifts, so 25% of the cash and 25% of the boosters are now changed to gift drops instead.
2. No, unfortunately the drops are fully random, but the chance for getting higher rarities isn't so low as to make them impossible to obtain this way. You can get a legendary at any point from pvp, but the same goes for always being able to obtain common items.

Did you test it on some beta server or you know something we cant read in the patch notes XD?

Originally Posted by Eversor86

Did you test it on some beta server or you know something we cant read in the patch notes XD?

Some of it was answered in the Q&A, some of it was answered when I asked for clarification.

Is this some kind of joke ?
2.047.470 for 8 items, 4910 affection points in total...

Hope it's not the "real" solution to the affection problem.

It's a big joke!
This update is, sorry, stupid.
The amount of money required for the objects is too great for what it brings in the end once a girl is improved.