Thread: Please cap the Affection upgrade costs!

I don't know if this is a thing, but I feel like it used to cost about 540k for my 4* Ankyo and since then I've upgraded some other girls to 3* and gotten some new girls. Now Ankyo's 4* is over $1 million. Is that a thing? Going to upgrade a few more to 3* and see what happens.

I'm frustrated with the cash system as well. I'm constantly out of cash. The game got very cash grindy since the patch. I like most of the changes, but not the cash scaling cause they didn't scale what each girl pays out.

Why it was rolled out as it is was the mystery - I mean who wants to have no fun?

And yes the pace of change is making a glacier look fast

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't know if this is a thing, but I feel like it used to cost about 540k for my 4* Ankyo and since then I've upgraded some other girls to 3* and gotten some new girls. Now Ankyo's 4* is over $1 million. Is that a thing? Going to upgrade a few more to 3* and see what happens.

I'm frustrated with the cash system as well. I'm constantly out of cash. The game got very cash grindy since the patch. I like most of the changes, but not the cash scaling cause they didn't scale what each girl pays out.

LOL i hate that my ankyo's gonna cost a Mill, but my red battler (after her 4th star) is costing me 4 Mill. As for the cash, i always thought it was kind of cash grindy. I played from the start so i got a whole harem to fund my exploits, and even then i always run out of money.

Just keep playing every day and get the 3 event girls (one from 12 missions and 2 from boss drops). No sense crying over it. Its not like they are gonna change it just because we dont want to spend money

Originally Posted by cd86

Alright, I've been playing for a while. I've got 68 girls. Before the revamp, I had about $25m in spare cash, and a couple hundred of each kind of affection item.

Now, between upgrading Bunny and Juliette to Affection 5, picking up Liu Yeng from a 10x roll Pachinko, picking up the school event girls, glitching and getting all three of Finalmecia's Haremettes in three battles, then the Dark Pleasures Event and those girls, and going up to Affection 5 on Red Battler and Ankyo, I'm finally broke and twiddling my thumbs waiting to have enough cash to buy affection items.

I'm cool with all of this. Except for the upgrade price for Ankyo. Friggin $12.6m or 650 kobans. Goddamn, man. This is getting absurd! I'm going to be grinding for a couple weeks just to get her to Affection 5.

hxxps i.imgur.com/Vfi8jgR.png (not registered so can't post real links)

I know what you mean, since i had a whole stash of cash, and i dont even have as much girls as you.

The thing is, we knew this was a cash grab game. What did you expect them to do?

What if they made the cost of the upgrades lower? Then the girls would generate a lower amount (which makes them useless)
What if they give bigger affection items? Then it would cost more (which means less affection per coin)

If you actually calculate the cost of a gift item to how much it gives, the cheaper items have a better gain (i didnt check recently)

Heres a thought: Calculate (from the wiki) which of your newer girls gain the most at level 3, and concentrate on them. Ankyo, although she is one of my favs, can wait. Figure out which situation gets your income to go up faster. Check back every hour or so. I know 12 mill is gonna take a while, but in a day i can make 78k per each 2 hours. That is about 936k per day. I obviously cannot be that diligent everyday, but i also have a bunch of level ones. Im sure your gonna be able to make it in a month.

Originally Posted by hornyg4mer

Just keep playing every day and get the 3 event girls (one from 12 missions and 2 from boss drops). No sense crying over it. Its not like they are gonna change it just because we dont want to spend money

That's a stupid response. If it's not fun, then no one will play. I have 31 girls and 12 of them are not maxed. I am literally getting girls faster than I can upgrade them and that's with drop rates as low as they are. I'm not spending real cash either. It's definitely losing it's enjoyment factor and it will just get worse as I progress. It should be less grindy as you build your harem.

I would simply be happy with another way to make money. Like having a feature where we can use energy to generate cash. Especially for those who are caught up on the story.

I'd also prefer of every girl paid out every hour, instead of this random bs. There is a huge amount of dead time because of the variable payouts for each girl. If I were able to check in every hour, I would still not be making anywhere close to what it says they make per hour. I'm guessing it would be less than 80%.

You can't even buy cash with kobans or with real money, so playing for free versus people who pay has almost no bearing on this problem. People who have spent money to get girls have the exact same problem as those who don't. Spending real money does almost nothing to alleviate the cash grind.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That's a stupid response. If it's not fun, then no one will play. I have 31 girls and 12 of them are not maxed. I am literally getting girls faster than I can upgrade them and that's with drop rates as low as they are. I'm not spending real cash either. It's definitely losing it's enjoyment factor and it will just get worse as I progress. It should be less grindy as you build your harem.

I would simply be happy with another way to make money. Like having a feature where we can use energy to generate cash. Especially for those who are caught up on the story.

I'd also prefer of every girl paid out every hour, instead of this random bs. There is a huge amount of dead time because of the variable payouts for each girl. If I were able to check in every hour, I would still not be making anywhere close to what it says they make per hour. I'm guessing it would be less than 80%.

You can't even buy cash with kobans or with real money, so playing for free versus people who pay has almost no bearing on this problem. People who have spent money to get girls have the exact same problem as those who don't. Spending real money does almost nothing to alleviate the cash grind.

This game is a time waster. Its meant for you to check on it once a while.

As for the enjoyment factor, its supposed to go down hill. Once you get to the roadblock in the story, there isnt anything for you to do other than activities and boss fights.

I was playing this when it started and took a 4 month break from the game around april because the "enjoyment factor" was going down hill. I only recently started checking in on this harem recently. Thats because of the new updates and changes.

Now that i cant progress in the story, using my wasted energy would be nice, and i have messaged them about that a few times.

As for the girls "syncing" their periods, i know they arnt gonna fix that. Why should they? Each girl is different, and they arnt gonna make it easy for you. Check back every hour, every 30 minutes. Its actually supposed to make you want to play every minute. Besides, your girls that arnt maxed is the problem. At max, the girls will take about 2 hours to get cash. Only the level 1s and 2s generate less than an hour.

Your calculations are off if you think your making less than 80%. But then again, you said your "guessing", so i shouldnt take your words that you say literal.

Your right on one thing, you cant buy cash with kobans. With kobans, you can buy affection items and pay for the upgrade of your girls. So i think it has a huge bearing on this problem. Kobans literally skip the "generate money" problem.

Originally Posted by hornyg4mer

As for the girls "syncing" their periods, i know they arnt gonna fix that. Why should they? Each girl is different, and they arnt gonna make it easy for you. Check back every hour, every 30 minutes. Its actually supposed to make you want to play every minute. Besides, your girls that arnt maxed is the problem. At max, the girls will take about 2 hours to get cash. Only the level 1s and 2s generate less than an hour.

Your calculations are off if you think your making less than 80%. But then again, you said your "guessing", so i shouldnt take your words that you say literal.

Maybe its supposed to make you want to play every minute, but this will work only on masochist who like to basically play clicker job-like games. There is no fun in paying attention to collecting on time in harem, well at least there isn't for me.

As long as him not having all girls maxed indeed does "help" him with low income if he collect only once per hour, you are wrong in saying that only 1 and 2 star girls have between-collection times smaller than 1 hour.

Quite a bit of 3 star girls have timers below 1 hour, smallest being 42 minutes (at least among 70+ girls I have in my harem most being maxed).

You could also argue that you are wrong in saying that at max girls take about 2 hours, at least for my harem average time is just a bit over 80 minutes, which is barely 1,5 hours ;].

You are right, his calculations are off. But he over-estimated what he gains, especially if that 80% is about what he gets by collecting just once per hour with most of his girls not being maxed. At 1/2 stars girls timers vary from probably at most 1,5h to less than 30 minutes. He can lose even as much or more than 50% if he collect only once per hour with most girls being at 2 or less stars.

Hek, even if that 80% was about maxed girls, if you collected once per hour with as spread timers as they are, you could easily lose 20% or more of what you could possibly earn if you baby-sited your harem.

EDIT:

Just for sake of fun, I added new girls I got to my excel list of girls, with their how much they get me per collect, cash/h values. Time between collects in minutes calculated out of those.

I then set a value of how often in minutes I will collect, divided calculated times between collects by that set value, resulted number rounded up to integers. This way I have a nice counter of how many "collecting" events per actually collecting what girls have to offer it will take.

Then I take what girls give me per collecting and divide it by that counter value multiplied by that set minutes between collecting events, this gives me how much cash per minute I would actually do, which multiplied by 60 gives me how much per hour I would make.

With my harem and that collect-event timer set to 60 minutes, my total cash/h is just shy off 75k cash. With girls cash/h values summing up to just a bit over 100k, this gives me a bit less than 75% of earnings achieved. So here you have it, its actually less than 80% ;].

My "fastest" girl is a 1 star Cheryl that has 30 minutes between collects. If I collect once per 31 minutes, then I would achieve over 85k cash/h thus around 85%. Longer times make cash/h go down as low as 76k at 47 minutes, then it goes back up once again peaking at close to 80k at 51 minutes. Then it waves down/up but overall goes down, reaching as low as 50k cash/h at numbers higher than 140 minutes.

Only way to get that % higher is to have collect events more often, would need less than 20 minutes to go over 90%.

So TL : DR:

At least based on my own harem, I would need to collect more often than once per 41 minutes to achieve more than 80% income from max possible one. Collecting once per hour or less drops that % to 75 or less. At around 30 minutes I would get around 85%, but collecting this often already makes it annoying.

Collecting once per 2 hours as a bit of people say they do on those forums on my harem results in harem income "efficiency" of around 63%.

EDIT 2:

For shit and giggles I actually made an efficiency chart:
(Horizontal axis is time between collects in minutes, vertical one is efficiency in %)

And for shorter range of times:

Originally Posted by hornyg4mer

Your calculations are off if you think your making less than 80%. But then again, you said your "guessing", so i shouldnt take your words that you say literal.

Your right on one thing, you cant buy cash with kobans. With kobans, you can buy affection items and pay for the upgrade of your girls. So i think it has a huge bearing on this problem. Kobans literally skip the "generate money" problem.

Why are you even in this conversation. All you're doing is being a downer.

Obviously, you haven't done the calculations either so you don't know what you're talking about. My guess turned out to be pretty accurate based on the calculations above. You can't buy affection items with kobans. You can only restock the market. You're right you can pay kobans for the upgrades and that would alleviate the issue substantially. The values make no sense. Red battler costs 200 kobans for 5* and Rabbi costs 550 for 3*. $3.96 million and 396k respectively. So maybe they are banking on people getting frustrated with the grind and spending kobans. Would work better if upgrading the girls actually meant something for pvp.

Just a small correction, but you technically can "buy" affection items with kobans, its just RNG based - spinning epic pachinko and doing PvP battles after battle energy refills. As long as it does let you acquire affection items with kobans its hard to call it "buying".

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why are you even in this conversation. All you're doing is being a downer.

Obviously, you haven't done the calculations either so you don't know what you're talking about. My guess turned out to be pretty accurate based on the calculations above. You can't buy affection items with kobans. You can only restock the market. You're right you can pay kobans for the upgrades and that would alleviate the issue substantially. The values make no sense. Red battler costs 200 kobans for 5* and Rabbi costs 550 for 3*. $3.96 million and 396k respectively. So maybe they are banking on people getting frustrated with the grind and spending kobans. Would work better if upgrading the girls actually meant something for pvp.

Lol

You may think i "don't know what im talking about". That's what you want to believe, Im not here to prove you wrong.

Since i got max affection on all the girls prior to the update, i dont need to buy that many affection gifts.
I spend my time gathering money to just upgrade my girls. I dont calculate exactly how often i need to check back. I just play the game and check back when i remember, which on the hour is easy enough for me to remember. I can tell you that with my "mostly" maxed army, its working for me great.

Lets list what kobans can do:
For 25 - Refill your battle points (Can get cash from wins)
For 7 - Can restock items in Shop
For ?? - You can finish a mission instantly (prices vary) which drops affection items
For 900 - You can spin the gacha and get affection items (and a girl)
For 2 - You can collect all cash from girls in harem
For ?? - You can instantly upgrade a ready girl
For 40 - You can refill your energy points (for the story) *
*Don't do this one, there is no rush to finish the story.

Hope i didn't miss anything. Not gonna mention the pay 300 koban for instant collecting, because thats new

EDIT: Your right, in the sense your not literally buying the affection items. I didn't mean it literally. Just meant you can spend money for the kobans, and get the affection items. Not technically buying it directly, and no guarantee how much you get

I would like to think im in the convo to learn just like any other user. Dont you think you learned a little bit more? I have