Thread: New 5-stars

Originally Posted by Frelas

''We made 5 star extremely expensive to give players a sense of pride and accomplishment''

Hello, dear Frelas.

Usually, when you put the '' '' it means you are quoting, yet in this case I don't think this is a quote, not from my post.

Can you say why you think so?

Best,
Jessie

Hello Miss Chan

I think that was a reference to EAs answer concerning the lootboxes in battlefront, so the main point he wants to say, he highly questions the sincerity of your statement. Fear not, at least your shares won’t lose 3.1 billion in the process.

I would also like to point out, your statement the prices of the 5 star girls were carefully calculated does feel a little odd. What was the idea, did you want many players to be frustrated enough with the high costs to buy more kobans? I can’t think of any other reason for these really high upgrade prices.

Maybe you carefully calculated the prices, that doesn’t make them fair.

I still need around 5 million more cash and 3800 affection to get Abrael to 5 stars. I’m a rather new player, I arrived in world8 a week ago and I only have 19 girls, all max but Abrael (of course). Considering that was the cheap part of the upgrades, I don’t know if this game is really worth my time, and I think many people will ask themselves that question.

Originally Posted by JessieChan

Hello, dear Frelas.

Usually, when you put the '' '' it means you are quoting, yet in this case I don't think this is a quote, not from my post.

Can you say why you think so?

Best,
Jessie

Hey jessie,

Like samrei already said it has to do with ea anwer.
They answered the question why they put a horrible grind in their game, they answered that they did it to give players a sense of pride and achievement(it was actually implented to get people to spend more money on lootboxes to reduce the horrible grind)
The statement was ridiculed to the point of a running joke.
The reason i said that, was less to do with questioning your sincerity and more to do with the fact that you put a horrible grind in the game, jokingly stating the reason for the grind is to give players a sense of pride and achievement.

Harem heroes is a f2p game and putting a grind into the game to get people to spend their money is frustrating but to a certain degree understandeble.
But the grind you guys have put in the game, do not give people a incentive to spend money. Hell you cant even spend money reasonable on affection items.
The pachinko doesnt count because you will get not enough affection items and you get more girls which you never get enough affection items for in the pachinko. But the worst part it that it hurts the whales the most, the people that spend the most money. Making it in my eyes a strange decision.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

I have a big enough number of girls, the small stock of affection items I had before rebalance is gone long ago, and yet I manage to up one girl from 0 to 3 in just 3 or 4 days. Oh, and I play a total of around 15 to 20 minutes per day.
There must be something wrong with your strategy? Maybe because you focus on 5 stars instead of finishing first to raise your girls to 3 stars?
The current game economy can hardly accomodate for the price of 4 and 5 stars, but does pretty well for up to 3 stars.
Additional features are in preparation to bring more cash to the game for 4 and 5 stars. For now, I suggest you just focus on 3rd stars. It's perfectly doable.

I only focus on the most efficent girls to upgrade - meaning: 2 > 3 > 4 > 5.
I am glad you apparently are a god gamer and manage to upgrade a girl from 0 to 3 within 4 days with only playing 20 mins a day - but before more people say bullshit like that, lets actually check the stats.

We take 50 girls in harem as reasonable amout, which means a girl roughly needs 11k affection from 0 to 3. Price per point of affection is 417 times 11k = 4587000 + upgrade costs of roughly 1.5kk (lets say 6kk in total).
So you manage to get 6000000 in 4 days by only playing 20 mins? in 20 mins you will gain roughly 100k (slightly more) from fully stacked haram money - if you fight the highest boss possible that will be another 15*24k = 360000 k - which means your total earnings for the greediest route possible is not even 500k (if we add quests/contests even).
So just from your statement it would take you nearly TWO WEEKs to upgrade A SINGLE GIRL from 0 to 3 by just playing 20mins. Each event gives you 3 new girls which need more than a month to upgrade - in that time you have the next contest and more girls PLUS the extra addition of 5 star girls which you actually dont have to think about, because you will never be able to upgrade them.
Now I understand that not everybody only play 20 mins - but if you throw in some extra girls from epic panchinko you simply buy with accumulated kobans from the full dayly reward you will be busy spamming upgrades on 3 star girls full time.

Originally Posted by wthvr

I only focus on the most efficent girls to upgrade - meaning: 2 > 3 > 4 > 5.
I am glad you apparently are a god gamer and manage to upgrade a girl from 0 to 3 within 4 days with only playing 20 mins a day - but before more people say bullshit like that, lets actually check the stats.

We take 50 girls in harem as reasonable amout, which means a girl roughly needs 11k affection from 0 to 3. Price per point of affection is 417 times 11k = 4587000 + upgrade costs of roughly 1.5kk (lets say 6kk in total).
So you manage to get 6000000 in 4 days by only playing 20 mins? in 20 mins you will gain roughly 100k (slightly more) from fully stacked haram money - if you fight the highest boss possible that will be another 15*24k = 360000 k - which means your total earnings for the greediest route possible is not even 500k (if we add quests/contests even).
So just from your statement it would take you nearly TWO WEEKs to upgrade A SINGLE GIRL from 0 to 3 by just playing 20mins. Each event gives you 3 new girls which need more than a month to upgrade - in that time you have the next contest and more girls PLUS the extra addition of 5 star girls which you actually dont have to think about, because you will never be able to upgrade them.
Now I understand that not everybody only play 20 mins - but if you throw in some extra girls from epic panchinko you simply buy with accumulated kobans from the full dayly reward you will be busy spamming upgrades on 3 star girls full time.

Lol, who's saying bullshit here?
I said I play between 15 and 20 minutes per day and I stand by that fact. You just failed to understand that I play 15 times 1 minute
So please, stop the smartass act, it just makes you look ridiculous

(Also, your calculation for fighting the highest boss is wrong, but it's irrelevant to the topic)

Originally Posted by Tristelune

stop the smartass act, it just makes you look ridiculous

From point of view, the uninvolved reader of your posts, I really don't think he will snatch the smartass cup from you.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

I play 15 times 1 minute

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

Originally Posted by SamRei

From point of view, the uninvolved reader of your posts, I really don't think he will snatch the smartass cup from you.

Mind to explain? I simply gave facts here while he basically called me a liar...

Originally Posted by JessieChan

Hello, dear Frelas.

Usually, when you put the '' '' it means you are quoting, yet in this case I don't think this is a quote, not from my post.

Can you say why you think so?

Best,
Jessie

Because he's probably right sarcastic and bitter maybe, but right - it's that or we made it harder in the hopes you'd spend money to refill fights

...also in all honesty as 'the face' you're really great at spin, but come off completely insincere and borderline hostile as times

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Mind to explain? I simply gave facts here while he basically called me a liar...

lets check the dayly maximum amout you can earn:
- troll fights (20min/fight = 24k money) which means 24h*3fights/h*24k/fight= 1728k per day from trolls given that you do not sleep, pause or let any combativity go to waste
- harem income (lets say roughly 100k/2h - it actually is slightly more but it wont change much) = 1200k per day if you do not sleep or pause for a longer time
lets count quest/contests etc together so we will roughly have 3kk total per day possible if you dont pause at all

that would mean that it would still take 2 days of NONSTOP playing to get a girls (with 50 girls in your harem) from 0 to 3 - and you are telling me that 'with 20 minutes playtime I only need a maximum of double the amout as someone who would play 24/7 nonstop' without evidence or backup of any form - that's why I call bullshit on your comment

" I simply gave facts here while he basically called me a liar... " - sure nice facts bro, maybe you should consider what facts are - either some somewhat solid mathmatical calculations on what you can earn in a certain timeframe or say random guy saying "i only need 20minutes to get that done"
you saying that you only play for 20 mins heavily implies that you have limited time per day and not that you frequently collect everything and basically are active roughly 12-16h each day

Originally Posted by SamRei

From point of view, the uninvolved reader of your posts, I really don't think he will snatch the smartass cup from you.

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

I will chime in:

- Best troll in game gives 20k on average not 24k.
- Efficiency of harem collecting drops down to around 75% if you collect only once per hour.

So if you log in once every 1h you get 75% of possible cash/h from harem and you can get full 60k/h cash from battling trolls, this wont take that much time, maybe 2 minutes if you are slow, but it can be speed up by having monthly card which makes harem collecting a 2 click process.

Thus a person spending less than 20 minuts on the game spread across 16h a day, can have 19h+ worth of troll battles (including 3.(3)h worth of combativity regenerated while sleeping), and 75% of cash/h his harem can achieve assuming once per hour collecting. Thats 1140k cash from trolls and 17h wroth of 0.75x what your harem cash/h is, which for 50 girls harem would probably be around 70k/h, 75% of that is 52k5/h which would be then nearly 900k.

That totals at 2040k cash a day, but if he played more and collected cash from harem more often he would go up on harem cash to nearly 1200k per day with perfect collecting and thus get total up to 2340k.

Maxing a girl from 0 to 3 stars assuming that would cost 6M would take 3 days for someone playing 20 minutes a day, and still over 2.5 days for someone babysitting game for 16h.

So explain to me why you say that Tristelune wont lose the smartass cup to wthvr, when wthvr is the one bailing out math and facts that are simply wrong?

Also why do you need more dragons in a description of how most people actually play this game?

Originally Posted by wthvr

" I simply gave facts here while he basically called me a liar... " - sure nice facts bro, maybe you should consider what facts are - either some somewhat solid mathmatical calculations on what you can earn in a certain timeframe or say random guy saying "i only need 20minutes to get that done"
you saying that you only play for 20 mins heavily implies that you have limited time per day and not that you frequently collect everything and basically are active roughly 12-16h each day

Him saying he needs 20 minutes doesn't imply anything, you just wrongly assumed he plays 20 minutes in one time session and based your "facts and math" battle against him on that.

You ask him to provide you with math/prof for what he say and instantly provide your own flawed math where you use wrong numbers, and focus only on what someone can earn a day if they baby-sit the game, ignoring math for what someone can earn if they play low amount of time but spread across whole day (how most people actually play this game, me included).

I proved with math he was right, so maybe some apology from you to him is in order?

And just for sake of math/profs here is the link to my post where I analyzed on base on my own harem whats the efficiency of cash/h of harem based on how often do you collect. My harem had 75 girls at that time and all but 2 were at 3 to 5 stars, 2 newest event girls were at 1/2 and IIRC one of girls added in previous batch of 4/5 stars was on her way to 5th star. But getting more girls or upgrading such a small amount of girls doesn't change much in the results.

Heck that post even have graphs attachments ;]