Thread: New 5-stars

okay 20k instead of 24k doesnt make much of a difference as it simply is 20*24k*3 = 144k in combination of your 75% in 1h which means 75k in 1 = 75*24
which means literally nothing has changed
and the context of his 20min comment was that he manages more than I do while ONLY playing 20 mins - so yes he does imply that he has limited time otherwise this entire statement would be pointless as he would use more time while questioning efficency

even your numbers do not vary significantly from mine - why do you even call me out on minor differences

and all calculations include troll battles only and not tower of fame which would lower the value in an actual significant way

all in all my inital calculations where done with the premisse that he plays 20 min in a row (which to be fair is not 100% accurate given his comment, but the way he worded it defintiely did not imply more than a couple log ins per day - as, like I already said above, it would not make any sense to include that if he spreads his logins throughout the day)
I overestimated trolls and udnerestimated haram gold

as everything did go out of hand - sorry for the hot blooded discussion, I think we should go back to topic:
price of 5 stars is too high

Thank you Eversor86.
I'll iterate with my own numbers, but you pretty much detailled my thoughs already.

For you wthvr and SamRei, here is the reality of my situation:

Right now, I have 83 girls at rank 3 and 3 at rank 5.
I currently aim to bring my girl n°87 to 3 stars.
As you know, it requires a total amount of 18,705 Affection points, and a total of 2,427,300 to pay for the scenes. The overall total of cash required is therefore 10,227,285.

Now, let’s compare this with my daily incomes.
For the sake of demonstration, let’s say I connect around 2 minute to the game when I wake up, then 1 minute every hour until I fall asleep. I have roughly 17 hours of activity per day for 7 hours of sleep. This make for a total of 18 connections per day (which is pretty close to my effective standard day).

Harem incomes:
When all my girls are ready to give me money, they total up for around 165,000.
So, in the morning, when I wake up, I get 165,000 during my first connection.
Now, for the rest of the day, it’s difficult to give an estimation of how much I make every hour. As a rule of thumb, let’s say I make 165,000 every 2 hours. Because in 2 hours, a few of my girls are not ready to collect, but several others can be collected twice, so it roughly balance it. So, that gives 82,500 per hour.
I will collect this 82,500 of cash 17 times, for a total of 1,402,500. Let’s add to this the 165,000 I collect in the morning when I wake up, that makes 1,567,500 with the harem only.
Actually, the real incomes I get this way are likely significantly higher, as Eversor86 explained, but let's keep it simple. I can demonstrate my point even with under-evaluated numbers

Battle incomes:
I will have full battle stamina when I wake up. This enable me to make 10 boss battles rights away. Battling Finalmecia brings an average of 20,000 - as clarified by Eversor86, and not 24,000 as you wrongly mentionned (which make me think that you might actually be a beginner at this game, aren’t you?). It gets me 200,000 at that time.
Then I make 3 battles every hour. So, each hour, I make an average of 60,000, and I do this 17 times a day in average. This brings me 1,020,000 more cash.
Total money from battle per day: 1,220,000

Other incomes:
I also get money from selling the gear I get from the free single pachinko each day, the 12 missions I complete, and eventually some contests that end.
For the sake of simplicity, let’s consider it totals up for about 50,000 per day at my level (level 133).

Other incomes that I don’t even take into consideration:
I actually have a few other girls at 0 stars. They don’t total up for a lot of money at the end of the day, but they’re here and they have an impact on the long run.
Also, I often take a few seconds to collect money from my harem and use my battle stamina when my baby boy wakes me up in the middle of the night. So, every 2 or 3 days, I make 200,000 or 300,000 more during the night. But honestly, I’d prefer to have a full night of rest. So, I’m not gonna count this in my calculation as well.

Total cash per day
With the elements detailled above, I make an average of 2,837,500 per day. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. In general, it fluctuates between 2,500,000 and 3,000,000 depending how much I’m busy with work, family, and other personal activities.

This results in 3,6 days to reach the 10,227,285 required for bringing my girl 87 to 3 stars.

Now, is my claim to play between 15 and 20 minutes per day realistic?
Everytime I connect to the game, I collect money (2 seconds, because I have the monthly card that enable me to do it with a single clic). I open the Activities/Missions menu, claim the completed mission if any, and launch the first mission of the list (let’s say it takes 10 seconds). Then I do all my available battles. Let’s say one battle takes around 5 seconds (probably less, actually) because I press skip. And that’s all… So, a standard game session for me is 30 seconds… Let’s make it 45 if you will, because I might have to navigate on the world map, etc. And my first connection in the morning is longer because I have 10 battles to do and sometimes I also have to collect finished contests and check a few other stuffs. That make it up to 2 minutes.
So, 1 time 2 minutes and 17 times 45 seconds: it seems to be well under 20 minutes to me.


All of this is an average situation of course. But this correspond pretty well to my experience with the game. There might have days where I have less time, other where I have more time. Whatever. My point is to demonstrate that only a handful of days are necessary to raise a girl to 3 stars, even with a minimal investment in time (no more than 20 minutes per day in total) as long as you’re organized and efficient.

So wthvr, where is the bullshit in that? Tell me please It's funny how you questionned my knowledge of what facts are. Still laughing here
SamRei, I prefer stories with facts than dragons. Mathematics don't lie. But to each his own, I guess.

I work - i can log in about 3 maybe 4 of those 2 hour slots

it would take me 4 times as long - so if I need 10 million at your 2.5 million ish a day - lets call it 4 days and I can get a quarter of that working hell lets assume I get vigilant at weekends and somehow get on a lot more, and say 3 times as long that's 12 days - realistically it's more like 14 as I won't be hyper vigilant

Thats to get a girl to 3 stars let alone a 4th or 5th

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Battle incomes:
I will have full battle stamina when I wake up. This enable me to make 10 boss battles rights away. Battling Finalmecia brings an average of 20,000 - as clarified by Eversor86, and not 24,000 as you wrongly mentionned (which make me think that you might actually be a beginner at this game, aren’t you?). It gets me 200,000 at that time.
Then I make 3 battles every hour. So, each hour, I make an average of 60,000, and I do this 17 times a day in average. This brings me 1,020,000 more cash.
Total money from battle per day: 1,220,000

If we have events this income takes a deep dive, Grunt gives ~2500 and I think Edwarda around 7500. There is a huge difference between earning 1.2 mil and ~130k

Originally Posted by sniddy

I work - i can log in about 3 maybe 4 of those 2 hour slots

it would take me 4 times as long - so if I need 10 million at your 2.5 million ish a day - lets call it 4 days and I can get a quarter of that working hell lets assume I get vigilant at weekends and somehow get on a lot more, and say 3 times as long that's 12 days - realistically it's more like 14 as I won't be hyper vigilant

Thats to get a girl to 3 stars let alone a 4th or 5th

the supposedly 20mins he plays dayly cover roughly 75-80% of the possible dayly income. hence why I told him it makes no sense to call people out on income/strat because he can earn more by only playing 20 mins, which basically covers the entire day and is not representative in any way for anyone remotely close to casual. it is like saying 'I only play 5 mins a day but earn even more than the guy playing 20 mins' - sure that might be possible with nearly 100% efficency (log in every 10h for quest energy, 3h for trolls, 1h for harem money) but you do not really play 5/20 mins you basically play the entire day as there is absolutely no extra gain to be active in the down time (besides the small amout girls with <1h time give)

Originally Posted by sniddy

I work - i can log in about 3 maybe 4 of those 2 hour slots

it would take me 4 times as long - so if I need 10 million at your 2.5 million ish a day - lets call it 4 days and I can get a quarter of that working hell lets assume I get vigilant at weekends and somehow get on a lot more, and say 3 times as long that's 12 days - realistically it's more like 14 as I won't be hyper vigilant

Thats to get a girl to 3 stars let alone a 4th or 5th

Well, I work too, between 10 and 12 hours per day. But I admit my work is flexible enough that 80% of time, i can take a 1 minute break every hour.

Originally Posted by Dari

If we have events this income takes a deep dive, Grunt gives ~2500 and I think Edwarda around 7500. There is a huge difference between earning 1.2 mil and ~130k

My demonstration was in "normal" conditions. But you're absolutely right. A day fighting Dark Lord brings about -35% incomes, and that's around -25% when I fight Edwarda.
Yet, this still make for a lot of money And I have to admit that so far, i've been lucky enough to have obtained most of the boss event girls in a week or less.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

A day fighting Dark Lord brings about -35% incomes, and that's around -25% when I fight Edwarda.

if you go for event girls and fight darklord it pretty much is like 85-90% income loss (from boss battles only obviously), for edwarda it is like -60%, which is actually massive (with your calculations that would be ~150k - 750k instead of your 1.2mil)
its pretty stupid to think about, but trying for an event girl basically costs you 13-18k

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Im on office drone, like a lot of people and really can only do a morning run, and then a few hour in the evening

Originally Posted by wthvr

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Tower of fame is useless, at least till they make the battle mechanics/PvP update. You gain nothing from being higher in tower, and without serious whaling you won't reach top anyway.

As far as I know tower gives you no money, I don't recall if you get there exp at all, but you get twice as much mojo vs arena fights.

Arena fights give you at best 24 or 25 exp, and that value is static and depends on level differences or something and RNG (as I saw different numbers pop up from fighting the same person few times in a row).

Someone on discord did over 2k fights in arena noting down what he was getting, IIRC it was 26% of affection items, 60+% of cash and less than 20% for boosters, after he averaged cash value of affection items (not sure if he added cash value of boosters but it wouldn't change much), he calculated that average fight was giving him close to 5k cash. So thats at best 30k/h cash. I wasn't that lucky my average on cash/affection numbers I got over like 1k fights was actually barely reaching 4k.

So best troll gives you 60k/h, PvP gives you 30k/h but gives you exp. That exp is static which means it stays the same doesn't matter how high your level is. This in turn means that the higher your level is the less important exp from PvP becomes, cause exp rewards on daily quests goes up with you level. So you lose 300k to 600k cash daily if you utilize 10 to 20h worth of PvP/trolls, for sake of leveling up faster.

Now I don't have my own math, and person who calculated some things about exp vs cash didn't respond with his math formulas. But what he supposedly found out is that the gain from faster leveling in terms of higher cash rewards from daily quests and higher cash from selling higher level free items, is actually smaller than the cash you gain from doing trolls instead of PvP. But I didn't saw his math, nor I have my own math to back that up, and I would need to log down to much data over to many days to find some info to make the math myself, especially with the PvP/battle mechanics patch being close to release that could render all that math moot.

Originally Posted by MuljoStpho

lol, me too. Just did that last week. She's 10th on the list for me and the fee in the last scene was almost 10 mil, which left me with just over 1 mil leftover. (Saved back up to almost 3 mil now.)

Agate's 3rd on my list so I guess she won't be quite so super crazy, at least. But Abrael is.... 17th on my list. I think they just might have more new 5-stars available before I can finish Abrael's new scenes.

Edit: Huh, interesting. Haven't given either of them any affection items yet, and Agate is 751 / 2745 towards 4-star while Abrael is 15.3k / 15.6k towards 4-star. Easier for me to get Abrael there. The fees for the 4-star scenes will be a different story though. Let's see... 405k for Agate or 2.3 mil for Abrael.

for me shes on slot 20, 14k affection for 4. star, 5 star probbally 22k affection?....
this is hard

even ankyo got slotted down, after Aarcana for me, dont know why 5. star also 10k