Thread: New 5-stars

Originally Posted by wthvr

the supposedly 20mins he plays dayly cover roughly 75-80% of the possible dayly income. hence why I told him it makes no sense to call people out on income/strat because he can earn more by only playing 20 mins, which basically covers the entire day and is not representative in any way for anyone remotely close to casual. it is like saying 'I only play 5 mins a day but earn even more than the guy playing 20 mins' - sure that might be possible with nearly 100% efficency (log in every 10h for quest energy, 3h for trolls, 1h for harem money) but you do not really play 5/20 mins you basically play the entire day as there is absolutely no extra gain to be active in the down time (besides the small amout girls with <1h time give)

The aim of my first answer to you was to give a generic demonstration that it was doable. It was most specifically oriented to you, self-described as "one of the most active people in the game". I never pretended people playing less than me could do it. Yet, now, you mention "anyone remotely close to casual"...

Also, let's be serious for 2 seconds here. I play 20 minutes a day and you imply I'm hardcore player instead of casual? That's funny. "Hardcore player" is for people that have video game as their main hobby and who often spend more than 2 or 3 hours per day on video game. I only play HH as a video game (so, usually no more than 20 minutes). I'm as much a casual player as everyone playing this game. Just efficient on how I make use of my time.

Originally Posted by wthvr

if you go for event girls and fight darklord it pretty much is like 85-90% income loss (from boss battles only obviously), for edwarda it is like -60%, which is actually massive (with your calculations that would be ~150k - 750k instead of your 1.2mil)
its pretty stupid to think about, but trying for an event girl basically costs you 13-18k

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Of course the -35% and -25% I mentionned were about my overall incomes, not just my boss fighting.
My take on Tower of Fame? Just ignore it for now, because it's inefficient in its current form (as Eversor86 mentionned, Kinkoid prepare a major update on PvP, battle system and ToF). If you mix Tower of Fame in your strategy, I'm less surprised that you struggle to raise affection.

If you are able and do play over 14+ hours there is no doubt you are not a casual

Sure you may be able to get a reasonable income and a reasonable time to get 3*s done - and average casual player is screwed

Well one more problem is ... we all are only talking about money for affection .... but what about money to lvl up your girls, spinn that pachinko for equipment or rise your stats? Right now we just cant do that if we want to finish affection on our girls

Originally Posted by sniddy

If you are able and do play over 14+ hours there is no doubt you are not a casual

Sure you may be able to get a reasonable income and a reasonable time to get 3*s done - and average casual player is screwed

I don't get you... Why do you insist in saying I'm playing over 14+ hours a day? It makes no sense at all. Who on earth as that much free time to spend on video game? What matter is the actual time you spend on the game, so that you can have a normal life beside. My gaming time is no more than 20 minutes per day in total, as I have already explained. The fact that it's spread over the whole day is irrelevant.
You can search any excuse you want, but playing 20 minutes a day is casual. I just make each of these 20 minutes count.

Originally Posted by Tyruss

Well one more problem is ... we all are only talking about money for affection .... but what about money to lvl up your girls, spinn that pachinko for equipment or rise your stats? Right now we just cant do that if we want to finish affection on our girls

Its not really a problem at least for now.

Leveling up girl other than the main 3 you use in your fight team is useless. Actually you know what? Even leveling your main girls is kinda not worth it for sake of troll battles. So only use for that is contests but they are essentially a dick measuring contests with varying cash to koban ratios.

Stats are useless, you can win fights with trolls being low stats and with girls level 1 no-stars. Which in turn renders items useless. Or maybe not useless - just not worth trying to get best items possible. Just use best stuff you get when you spin the kobans pachinko for girls once a month (as thats how often you should kinda be able to spin it if you don't waste kobans elsewhere, and even more often if you use monthly card thingy).

Half my items are level 55 rainbow legendaries we got after 2.0 gone live cause I just like having balance stats (thou I wish they had more base 3 stats instead of crit chance and ego), other half are also rainbow legendaries thou higher levels as I slowly replaced the gifted ones with epic pachinko stuff.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

I don't get you... Why do you insist in saying I'm playing over 14+ hours a day? It makes no sense at all.

Of course you don't understand, all your post make that perfectly clear.

From all your ramblings, that are tl;dr territory anyway, one can get the conclusion, you log in for short times over the course of around 15 hours, which is the only way you can get enough attack on trolls and money collecting done to get to your numbers of income. Maybe you push another of your missions on every log in, although getting your missions done seems to be hard this way, but I'm really not willing to discuss any of your statements at this point).

That's a big difference to people who might have two timeslots a day for this game.

Originally Posted by SamRei

Of course you don't understand, all your post make that perfectly clear.

From all your ramblings, that are tl;dr territory anyway, one can get the conclusion, you log in for short times over the course of around 15 hours, which is the only way you can get enough attack on trolls and money collecting done to get to your numbers of income. Maybe you push another of your missions on every log in, although getting your missions done seems to be hard this way, but I'm really not willing to discuss any of your statements at this point).

That's a big difference to people who might have two timeslots a day for this game.

Ah, yes, so here we are! The real problem is not that this game requires too much time to play (I demonstrated mathematically that 20 minutes per day are enough). Your real problem is that you cannot connect to the game more than twice per day. But then, that's an issue by the player side, not the game side.

As a side note, I have a friend who tells me he connects 5 or 6 times per day, and he manages to be up to date with his girls (he doesn't go for 4 and 5 stars either, except Bunny, Red Battler and Juliette). But then, he gets between 4 and 5 girls per month, while I usually get 9+, hence why I have to play more.

OK - Tristelune you're kinda getting the point but not that it's an issue

If I need to work around a system that's forcing me to log in multiple times a day that's an issue

Traditionally most games I've played are able to work around a 2 log in scheduled, morning and afternoon, and occasionally a 3rd to tidy up before bed

That's YEARS of playing dozens of games, not one has penalised me as strongly as this game does

Take FKG morning I burn all my stamina and my 3 gathers, IF I could log in mid day I may be 2/3 more gathers done, this is a boon and I'm a tiny bit slower but it's not a massive factor, I log in the afternoon, burn stamina and 3 gathers, evening 1 last gather and burn any stamina if needed for over night to ensure none is wasted - sure if I got up at midnight I could get 2 more gathers but I think even a hardcore fun looses 1 or 2 while sleeping

2 big log ins is enough 3 better but not game breaking, I've done well on my 2.5

Here you seem to be expected to be able to log in every 2 hours or less

I judge games on 2 criteria how hungry are you for my time, and money - this one paying feels pointless as the rewards to $ ratio is abysmal, time while its short bursts it's the amount of them - its not a good system for how I feel a majority of players play

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Also, let's be serious for 2 seconds here. I play 20 minutes a day and you imply I'm hardcore player instead of casual? That's funny. "Hardcore player" is for people that have video game as their main hobby and who often spend more than 2 or 3 hours per day on video game. I only play HH as a video game (so, usually no more than 20 minutes). I'm as much a casual player as everyone playing this game. Just efficient on how I make use of my time.

as HH is your only 'game' you play, I can understand that you have a different understanding on how games in general work. this game is a idle game hence the only scale we can use on how 'hardcore' someone is, is to measure effective time use as there is absolutely no point in any activity in the downtime (as it gains no benefits for being online) - which means if you cover 18-20h of a day (your 17 logins are basically 19h worth of effective time spend) you are pretty hardcore for an idle game
compared to other idle games: hardcore players are the ones that get up at night on log in as soon as their stuff is off cooldown (energy/money/upgrades/army/whatever)
this is the equivalent of grinding XP/Currency in MMOs

casual gamers log in once MAYBE twice a day and thats it, sometimes they just dont play for a couple of days

this is the major point why a lot of people, including me, called you out - just different termonology/understanding. thats why your 20min statement, for me, is pretty misleading - I log in for a couple times each day, hence my claim to be one of the more active players, but you are WAY more active then I am. it does not matter how much time I spend each time I log it as, to stress it again, one cant do anything while your energy/money is on cooldown


now my 2 cents regarding trolls vs ToF - trolls literally only give you money. sure you can use it to upgrade your girls, but if you do the math it is a SUPER long time investment and even for 3 star girls it takes month - for 5 stars YEARS - to get back that money. Hence there is no point in going for money over XP as it will result in an effective money loss for the near future. given that there is nothing else to do with money, it is pretty obvious that it still is the best use for it if you have enough to get through the sporadicly implemented quests
especially with the upcomming changes to PvP there might be an actual point in levels as higher level means more stats (given that stat upgrades are limited in the shop), higher girl level and the possibility of higher level gear - sure we do not know what they are planning, but it should be somewhat save to assume that levels will benefit you
disclaimer: personal opinion and I understand why some people would go for trolls to accumulate money/'complete' their harem upgrades

Originally Posted by Eversor86

Half my items are level 55 rainbow legendaries we got after 2.0 gone live cause I just like having balance stats (thou I wish they had more base 3 stats instead of crit chance and ego), other half are also rainbow legendaries thou higher levels as I slowly replaced the gifted ones with epic pachinko stuff.

why exactly would you ever go for rainbow items after ~50? everything outside your main stat is useless, crit is useless as you are capped and health does not outscale the immense stat loss from single-stat epics/legendaries. rainbow items would only make sense if they somehow make other stats matter much more with the PvP update and if you use level 55 stuff, I am pretty certain that the little stats they offer dont give you much either.
the only reason to still use the HH2.0 set is that 1. you literally didnt get any other epic+ gear for that slot since hh2.0 was introduced or 2. you see it as a waste of money as more stats do not really offer you much given that trolls and ToF are pretty much free anyway

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Ah, yes, so here we are! The real problem is not that this game requires too much time to play (I demonstrated mathematically that 20 minutes per day are enough). Your real problem is that you cannot connect to the game more than twice per day. But then, that's an issue by the player side, not the game side.

As a side note, I have a friend who tells me he connects 5 or 6 times per day, and he manages to be up to date with his girls (he doesn't go for 4 and 5 stars either, except Bunny, Red Battler and Juliette). But then, he gets between 4 and 5 girls per month, while I usually get 9+, hence why I have to play more.

Here we are again, I really shouldn't even bother answering you at this point, but I think I should make some stuff clear

First, you demonstrated nothing, your spirit maths is far away from any demonstration. Like every online game with energy refill over time, a good planned schedule can give you extra ressources, that's nothing new, special or impressive and didn't need a long explaination.

Second, I CAN lock in during the day, even from work, it's not about me, it's just that you don't make any sense, keep patronizing other people and are way to stubborn to see how far away you are from "normal" people. This game should be way more casual, it shouldn't be work, it's not like you are in some competition here.

Also, nobody cares about what your "friends" do, in the end it's a sample size far to little to have any meaning. Either way, the amount of ingame cash you need for 5 star girls is way to high, none of your "20minutesadayI'msoawesome" posts will change that.

That's my last answer on this one, good day and good riddance.