Thread: New 5-stars

Originally Posted by Tristelune

Battle incomes:
I will have full battle stamina when I wake up. This enable me to make 10 boss battles rights away. Battling Finalmecia brings an average of 20,000 - as clarified by Eversor86, and not 24,000 as you wrongly mentionned (which make me think that you might actually be a beginner at this game, aren’t you?). It gets me 200,000 at that time.
Then I make 3 battles every hour. So, each hour, I make an average of 60,000, and I do this 17 times a day in average. This brings me 1,020,000 more cash.
Total money from battle per day: 1,220,000

If we have events this income takes a deep dive, Grunt gives ~2500 and I think Edwarda around 7500. There is a huge difference between earning 1.2 mil and ~130k

Originally Posted by sniddy

I work - i can log in about 3 maybe 4 of those 2 hour slots

it would take me 4 times as long - so if I need 10 million at your 2.5 million ish a day - lets call it 4 days and I can get a quarter of that working hell lets assume I get vigilant at weekends and somehow get on a lot more, and say 3 times as long that's 12 days - realistically it's more like 14 as I won't be hyper vigilant

Thats to get a girl to 3 stars let alone a 4th or 5th

Well, I work too, between 10 and 12 hours per day. But I admit my work is flexible enough that 80% of time, i can take a 1 minute break every hour.

Originally Posted by Dari

If we have events this income takes a deep dive, Grunt gives ~2500 and I think Edwarda around 7500. There is a huge difference between earning 1.2 mil and ~130k

My demonstration was in "normal" conditions. But you're absolutely right. A day fighting Dark Lord brings about -35% incomes, and that's around -25% when I fight Edwarda.
Yet, this still make for a lot of money And I have to admit that so far, i've been lucky enough to have obtained most of the boss event girls in a week or less.

Originally Posted by Tristelune

A day fighting Dark Lord brings about -35% incomes, and that's around -25% when I fight Edwarda.

if you go for event girls and fight darklord it pretty much is like 85-90% income loss (from boss battles only obviously), for edwarda it is like -60%, which is actually massive (with your calculations that would be ~150k - 750k instead of your 1.2mil)
its pretty stupid to think about, but trying for an event girl basically costs you 13-18k

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Im on office drone, like a lot of people and really can only do a morning run, and then a few hour in the evening

Originally Posted by wthvr

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Tower of fame is useless, at least till they make the battle mechanics/PvP update. You gain nothing from being higher in tower, and without serious whaling you won't reach top anyway.

As far as I know tower gives you no money, I don't recall if you get there exp at all, but you get twice as much mojo vs arena fights.

Arena fights give you at best 24 or 25 exp, and that value is static and depends on level differences or something and RNG (as I saw different numbers pop up from fighting the same person few times in a row).

Someone on discord did over 2k fights in arena noting down what he was getting, IIRC it was 26% of affection items, 60+% of cash and less than 20% for boosters, after he averaged cash value of affection items (not sure if he added cash value of boosters but it wouldn't change much), he calculated that average fight was giving him close to 5k cash. So thats at best 30k/h cash. I wasn't that lucky my average on cash/affection numbers I got over like 1k fights was actually barely reaching 4k.

So best troll gives you 60k/h, PvP gives you 30k/h but gives you exp. That exp is static which means it stays the same doesn't matter how high your level is. This in turn means that the higher your level is the less important exp from PvP becomes, cause exp rewards on daily quests goes up with you level. So you lose 300k to 600k cash daily if you utilize 10 to 20h worth of PvP/trolls, for sake of leveling up faster.

Now I don't have my own math, and person who calculated some things about exp vs cash didn't respond with his math formulas. But what he supposedly found out is that the gain from faster leveling in terms of higher cash rewards from daily quests and higher cash from selling higher level free items, is actually smaller than the cash you gain from doing trolls instead of PvP. But I didn't saw his math, nor I have my own math to back that up, and I would need to log down to much data over to many days to find some info to make the math myself, especially with the PvP/battle mechanics patch being close to release that could render all that math moot.

Originally Posted by wthvr

the supposedly 20mins he plays dayly cover roughly 75-80% of the possible dayly income. hence why I told him it makes no sense to call people out on income/strat because he can earn more by only playing 20 mins, which basically covers the entire day and is not representative in any way for anyone remotely close to casual. it is like saying 'I only play 5 mins a day but earn even more than the guy playing 20 mins' - sure that might be possible with nearly 100% efficency (log in every 10h for quest energy, 3h for trolls, 1h for harem money) but you do not really play 5/20 mins you basically play the entire day as there is absolutely no extra gain to be active in the down time (besides the small amout girls with <1h time give)

The aim of my first answer to you was to give a generic demonstration that it was doable. It was most specifically oriented to you, self-described as "one of the most active people in the game". I never pretended people playing less than me could do it. Yet, now, you mention "anyone remotely close to casual"...

Also, let's be serious for 2 seconds here. I play 20 minutes a day and you imply I'm hardcore player instead of casual? That's funny. "Hardcore player" is for people that have video game as their main hobby and who often spend more than 2 or 3 hours per day on video game. I only play HH as a video game (so, usually no more than 20 minutes). I'm as much a casual player as everyone playing this game. Just efficient on how I make use of my time.

Originally Posted by wthvr

if you go for event girls and fight darklord it pretty much is like 85-90% income loss (from boss battles only obviously), for edwarda it is like -60%, which is actually massive (with your calculations that would be ~150k - 750k instead of your 1.2mil)
its pretty stupid to think about, but trying for an event girl basically costs you 13-18k

I'd like to hear what your take on tower of fame vs troll fights (outside of events obviously) is? as one grants XP which does not have an immediate impact and one 'only' gives money

Of course the -35% and -25% I mentionned were about my overall incomes, not just my boss fighting.
My take on Tower of Fame? Just ignore it for now, because it's inefficient in its current form (as Eversor86 mentionned, Kinkoid prepare a major update on PvP, battle system and ToF). If you mix Tower of Fame in your strategy, I'm less surprised that you struggle to raise affection.

If you are able and do play over 14+ hours there is no doubt you are not a casual

Sure you may be able to get a reasonable income and a reasonable time to get 3*s done - and average casual player is screwed

Well one more problem is ... we all are only talking about money for affection .... but what about money to lvl up your girls, spinn that pachinko for equipment or rise your stats? Right now we just cant do that if we want to finish affection on our girls

Originally Posted by Tyruss

Well one more problem is ... we all are only talking about money for affection .... but what about money to lvl up your girls, spinn that pachinko for equipment or rise your stats? Right now we just cant do that if we want to finish affection on our girls

Its not really a problem at least for now.

Leveling up girl other than the main 3 you use in your fight team is useless. Actually you know what? Even leveling your main girls is kinda not worth it for sake of troll battles. So only use for that is contests but they are essentially a dick measuring contests with varying cash to koban ratios.

Stats are useless, you can win fights with trolls being low stats and with girls level 1 no-stars. Which in turn renders items useless. Or maybe not useless - just not worth trying to get best items possible. Just use best stuff you get when you spin the kobans pachinko for girls once a month (as thats how often you should kinda be able to spin it if you don't waste kobans elsewhere, and even more often if you use monthly card thingy).

Half my items are level 55 rainbow legendaries we got after 2.0 gone live cause I just like having balance stats (thou I wish they had more base 3 stats instead of crit chance and ego), other half are also rainbow legendaries thou higher levels as I slowly replaced the gifted ones with epic pachinko stuff.

Originally Posted by sniddy

If you are able and do play over 14+ hours there is no doubt you are not a casual

Sure you may be able to get a reasonable income and a reasonable time to get 3*s done - and average casual player is screwed

I don't get you... Why do you insist in saying I'm playing over 14+ hours a day? It makes no sense at all. Who on earth as that much free time to spend on video game? What matter is the actual time you spend on the game, so that you can have a normal life beside. My gaming time is no more than 20 minutes per day in total, as I have already explained. The fact that it's spread over the whole day is irrelevant.
You can search any excuse you want, but playing 20 minutes a day is casual. I just make each of these 20 minutes count.