Thread: Girl drops with new system

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You really think the Devs of THIS game wouldn't be THAT rotten? Remember they added rares/commons back to the shop because just a few people complained about wasting a couple of affection points. The update was resended, but still...

We talk about the dev that rolled-back the common/rare gift thing because more than a few people complained about wasting some time? They're so bad indeed.
We talk about the same dev team that gives more free "hard currency" per day than any of its competitors?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The drop rate was so bad for this event for Val Abrael

Yes, they rigged the drop rate for you Several players got her on the first day of the revival event. In fact, some players even got both girl in the first day. Most players I saw got both girl during the length of the event.
So... Did they rig the drop rate? Or you just draw conclusion over the result of a single-user sample? I wonder...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You really think the Devs of THIS game wouldn't be THAT rotten? Remember they added rares/commons back to the shop because just a few people complained about wasting a couple of affection points. The update was resended, but still...

The drop rate was so bad for this event for Val Abrael, it took me well over 500 tries to get her. That's more tries that you get for the entire length of the event! I'm glad I was playing for her on the first day, too, since recharge cost was still 25 kobans then. I had a little over 1,300 kobans, and I kept recharging until she dropped and I was just under 700. If I had waited, I may not have gotten her to drop at all. In 7 days, you only have 336 total boss fights without recharging. If you start with a full bar, you'd have 356...

The irony of all this was, after Val Abrael dropped, I tried to get Val Red Battler, and she dropped after only 5 fights... FML!

I spent the entire event trying to get Val Red, and after some 400+ battles, nothing. All the while, I have over 1000 battles into Finalmecia over the last few months, all for one girl, and still have not had her drop.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

We talk about the dev that rolled-back the common/rare gift thing because more than a few people complained about wasting some time? They're so bad indeed.
We talk about the same dev team that gives more free "hard currency" per day than any of its competitors?



Yes, they rigged the drop rate for you Several players got her on the first day of the revival event. In fact, some players even got both girl in the first day. Most players I saw got both girl during the length of the event.
So... Did they rig the drop rate? Or you just draw conclusion over the result of a single-user sample? I wonder...

The primary concern of any devs of any game is only to make money. They only care about pleasing the players IF there is a chance that some game change will severely cut into their player base. If the devs cared about the players, they wouldn't have made the change to the shop in the first place. Then they wouldn't have had to change it back at all. That's like them shooting you in the leg, but then justifying it later by paying your hospital bill for the treatment. Why would you be on the Dev's side anyway? Besides, if you are speaking on behalf of the Devs so much, do you secretly work for them or something? LOL

Also, I doubt you know most of the players in the game. "Most you saw..." doesn't mean that is some huge sample base, either. So are you basing the fact that since a few people you know of were lucky enough to get both girls in just a few tries, means that everyone should been able to repeat those results as well? I wonder...

The drop rate for Val Abrael was bad, FOR ME, just like the drop rate for Val Red Battler was bad for another poster, but not Val Abrael. If you are versed in English at all, you'd have know there was an understood FOR ME in that sentence. Implying anything else and then being sarcastic about it, just shows your ignorance at using the English language.

The point was, that the drop rate in THIS event was worse for a lot of people, including myself. I've always managed to get the boss girls in every event, normal and revival. But starting with this event, I wouldn't have been able to get a girl without recharging my combativity quite a few times. That was the whole point of my post, so sorry you missed it. There has been a definite change to drop rate chances now that bosses have their own counter and ever since those heavy modifications to combativity.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Then they wouldn't have had to change it back at all. That's like them shooting you in the leg, but then justifying it later by paying your hospital bill for the treatment.

I think it's more like realizing they made a mistake after listening to playerbase and fixing the problem. Your analogy doesn't make much sense.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why would you be on the Dev's side anyway? Besides, if you are speaking on behalf of the Devs so much, do you secretly work for them or something? LOL

Yes, "LOL". Such silly comment!
I don't especially take side for the dev. They do some things i dislike like adding too many perma pachinko girls or not giving a definitive solution to affection issue. And I let them know when it happens.
But the girl drop in the new system is clearly not a real issue. Only for those who had bad luck and think they are center of the world.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also, I doubt you know most of the players in the game. "Most you saw..." doesn't mean that is some huge sample base, either. So are you basing the fact that since a few people you know of were lucky enough to get both girls in just a few tries, means that everyone should been able to repeat those results as well? I wonder...

I have no doubt that I know more players and have a better vision of the overall player base than you, though. I closely follow 2 of the 3 official discords, as well as the 2 official forums (this forum here is not one of these official forums). So, yes, I dare to say that I have a global enough perception of the situation.
But feel free to correct my assumption if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The drop rate for Val Abrael was bad, FOR ME, just like the drop rate for Val Red Battler was bad for another poster, but not Val Abrael. If you are versed in English at all, you'd have know there was an understood FOR ME in that sentence. Implying anything else and then being sarcastic about it, just shows your ignorance at using the English language.

Oh please, forgive me, I didn't have the luck to receive a good enough education. I'm from a poor non native speaking country

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The point was, that the drop rate in THIS event was worse for a lot of people, including myself. I've always managed to get the boss girls in every event, normal and revival. But starting with this event, I wouldn't have been able to get a girl without recharging my combativity quite a few times. That was the whole point of my post, so sorry you missed it. There has been a definite change to drop rate chances now that bosses have their own counter and ever since those heavy modifications to combativity.

In the other hand, I can quote people from the discord and forum asking if the drop rate had not been raised, because they got both revival event girl in the first 2 days...
So, i'm of the opinion that the problem lies with too many people not understanding that with RNG and probability, a sample of 1 (or even 10) is not enough to build an accurate picture of the reality, and thus deceive themselves.
Also, it's a social fact that unsatisfied people are more prone to voice their unhappiness while satisfied people just stay quiet. It contributes to build a biased perception of reality.
Oh, and the boss counter is not taken into account when it comes to event girls. But this, I assume you already knew about it, already. It's common knowledge once you know the game a little bit.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think it's more like realizing they made a mistake after listening to playerbase and fixing the problem. Your analogy doesn't make much sense.



Yes, "LOL". Such silly comment!
I don't especially take side for the dev. They do some things i dislike like adding too many perma pachinko girls or not giving a definitive solution to affection issue. And I let them know when it happens.
But the girl drop in the new system is clearly not a real issue. Only for those who had bad luck and think they are center of the world.


I have no doubt that I know more players and have a better vision of the overall player base than you, though. I closely follow 2 of the 3 official discords, as well as the 2 official forums (this forum here is not one of these official forums). So, yes, I dare to say that I have a global enough perception of the situation.
But feel free to correct my assumption if I'm wrong.


Oh please, forgive me, I didn't have the luck to receive a good enough education. I'm from a poor non native speaking country


In the other hand, I can quote people from the discord and forum asking if the drop rate had not been raised, because they got both revival event girl in the first 2 days...
So, i'm of the opinion that the problem lies with too many people not understanding that with RNG and probability, a sample of 1 (or even 10) is not enough to build an accurate picture of the reality, and thus deceive themselves.
Also, it's a social fact that unsatisfied people are more prone to voice their unhappiness while satisfied people just stay quiet. It contributes to build a biased perception of reality.
Oh, and the boss counter is not taken into account when it comes to event girls. But this, I assume you already knew about it, already. It's common knowledge once you know the game a little bit.

I have neither the time nor the patience to sit here and respond to every rebuttal you're going to continue to make to every comment I make. It is a sign of immaturity and low self esteem when you practice in such activity, especially in some random online forum.

But I will correct one thing. I never said the current drop system affected event girls, just that there has been a definite change to drop rate chances since the change to the boss counter system and combativity. Event girls never was mentioned specifically in that sentence, or after.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have neither the time nor the patience to sit here and respond to every rebuttal you're going to continue to make to every comment I make. It is a sign of immaturity and low self esteem when you practice in such activity, especially in some random online forum.

But I will correct one thing. I never said the current drop system affected event girls, just that there has been a definite change to drop rate chances since the change to the boss counter system and combativity. Event girls never was mentioned specifically in that sentence, or after.

Good on you, he is a pretty clear dev apologist.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Good on you, he is a pretty clear dev apologist.

I guess he also thinks a forum where the developer himself (or herself - don't know, don't care), posts news and updates to the game, isn't an "official forum", either. I'm not sure what "official" would actually be, to him.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Good on you, he is a pretty clear dev apologist.

Ahah, if i'm a dev apologist (which i'm not since I have my own complains about the game), that would make you just another random hater, then ^_^

Well...

My experience is that before the big change, I had been farming Silvanus for a whole lot of fights, with 2 girls left to drop... I heard that the recent fights without girl dropping would spread out among the world bosses, so I got exited because I also have a farm-able girl waiting on Ninja Village and one on Grunt...

And then the change came...

I kept farming on Silvanus (unless to get the event girl). Now silvanus is capped at level 170, I got the Val Abrael (already had Val Red Battler), then kept farming silvanus. Never let the combativity reach 20, always fighting silvanus. Farmed him so much I think he is dry in the bones. Still no girls dropping...

I almost feel like farming another... Maybe it will "unclog" him... But the developers said that the bosses now work independently with their own drop rates... So I keep fighting the skull-man... Hoping to see Leeditt or Queen Titania someday...

Originally Posted by nicktwine

Well...

My experience is that before the big change, I had been farming Silvanus for a whole lot of fights, with 2 girls left to drop... I heard that the recent fights without girl dropping would spread out among the world bosses, so I got exited because I also have a farm-able girl waiting on Ninja Village and one on Grunt...

And then the change came...

I kept farming on Silvanus (unless to get the event girl). Now silvanus is capped at level 170, I got the Val Abrael (already had Val Red Battler), then kept farming silvanus. Never let the combativity reach 20, always fighting silvanus. Farmed him so much I think he is dry in the bones. Still no girls dropping...

I almost feel like farming another... Maybe it will "unclog" him... But the developers said that the bosses now work independently with their own drop rates... So I keep fighting the skull-man... Hoping to see Leeditt or Queen Titania someday...

similar experience with the new droprate. I started finalmedica at level 90 and will get her to max level 260 today - did not get the last girl, in over 800 tries (actually it is close to 850 tries without a drop)